A notoriously anti-gay pastor has produced a video in which he speaks of the benefits of hitting children for disciplinary purposes.
Pastor Roger Jimenez, 35, founded the Verity Baptist Church in Sacramento, California. He is proudly opposed to LGBTQ rights in any shape or form. After the Pulse nightclub shooting, in which 49 people died, he told his congregation the real tragedy of the incident, “was that more of them didn’t die.”
A couple of years ago, he told his congregation, that gay people were a danger to children, adding: “We’re not advocating taking the law into your hands, but here’s what we’re saying: If the government would put them to death, it would make America safe again.”
Jimenez and his wife, Joann, have six kids of their own. As such, he has strong views on disciplining kids.
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A YouTube video posted on the weekend featured a conversation between him and fellow Verity clergymen, Deacon Oliver Gonzalez, and was picked up by the Friendly Atheist.
Nothing to see here. Just two fundamentalist Christian pastors bragging about how they hit their kids and why everyone else should do it too.
“If you’re spanking your children, and it doesn’t hurt, you’re not accomplishing anything.” pic.twitter.com/xS2N0MIVhk
— Hemant Mehta (@hemantmehta) September 26, 2021
Jimenez says, “And I think even a lot of Christians don’t realize that the method that God has given us to discipline our children is a proper spanking … but in our society today, sometimes people hear the word ‘beat’ and they get the wrong idea … when we’re talking about spanking your children, we’re not talking about abuse.”
“In our church, we often try to train parents on how to properly discipline their children. And, you know, we teach parents that you never want to hit your children with, like, a closed fist. You never want to hit them somewhere where it would be inappropriate, like their face.
“God put a section of the body on the children that is an appropriate place to administer spanking. And of course, we’re talking about the bottom.
“There’s a lot of nerve endings there. And there’s a little extra cushion. And that’s a place where you can administer a spanking in a proper way. And you’re not going to injure the children.
“Because the goal is to spank the children and have it hurt. But the goal is to never injure them.
“We, of course, want the spanking to hurt. If you’re spanking your children, and it doesn’t hurt, you’re not accomplishing anything.”
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Gonzalez agrees, adding, “The world will demonize spanking. And, you know, what the world will say is that if you spank your kids, then your child is going to grow up to hate you. But, you know, what I’ve seen is that it’s the complete opposite. It’s that when you actually spank your kids in a proper way, the response is one of love … and when I spank them … the result is that they will learn to obey.
“And obviously, that’s the goal … what we’re doing is we’re raising adults who will learn to obey their boss at work, learn to obey their pastor in a church, learn to obey their husband at home.”
Jimenez concludes that spanking kids “is the loving thing to do … What you and I realize is that our kids are gonna learn that there are consequences to their action. Either way, they’re either going to learn it from you and I, in our home, in a loving environment, or they’re going to learn it when they grow up, you know, when they’re getting beat down by the cops, or getting beat down by whoever.”
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Besides his hate-filled sermons and advocating for the death of LGBTQ people, Jimenez and his wife have also embarked work on a series of children’s books, “that teach children Biblical character traits.” The first book in their Adventures of Herb Meyer series is entitled: Herb Learns Obedience.
JB
Seems like these two guys get a little more excited about children’s bottoms than is comfortable. Who stands in a remote field talking about spanking kids’ asses? Child molesters, that’s who. These two should be reported to Child Protective Services.
Chrisk
They’re cult leaders. It’s practically a guarantee that child molestation/abuse is in there.
Chrisk
It’s weird as an Atheist watching these psycho’s and their followers. Him and his buddy in crime Steve Anderson. I’m more worried about their followers though. A truly scary group of people.
johncp56
It is true the number that abuse, that spews hate talk, sad but true, in the name of tax-free hate houses!!!
ptn2719
The “loving” discipline I received from my dad as a child is probably why i have so many emotional problems as an adult. But by all means, go ahead and abuse your children because your nonexistent invisible God wants you to!
kareem
Thank God i’m Atheist.
Matthewnow
Just remember, it’s a dry heat.
Harley
God’s proof of discipline in the Bible (Abraham) is a knife through the heart. It looks like his face is well padded so I guess slugging him isn’t out of the question.
Invader7
Child ABUSER. Another sick, twisted freak !!! This slimy, knuckle dragging cave dwelling Neanderthal CRETIN.. Low life’s like this sorry excuse for a human being needs to be taken out behind the barn and throttled to within an inch of their life.
dougie
Having been raised by fundamentalist christian parents who obeyed the biblical admonition to not “spare the rod,” I can attest to the fact that even a “cushioned butt” can be bruised by an overzealous mom or dad who believes they’re merely “disciplining” their child. And, yes, it’s physical as well as emotional abuse to subject a kid to such punishment, despite what those self-righteous preachers want to preach.
Mister P
Everyone believing the Bible is brain washed. It is a terrible book to use as a guide for morality.
Vince
“Pastor Roger Jimenez was born in Venezuela. His family came to Christ through the influence of American missionaries. He was raised in a Christian, Independent Fundamental Baptist home. He was led to the Lord by his father when he was a young child. His family moved to the United States when he was very young.”
So basically he’s been brainwashed in this BS his whole life. I have no doubt his Funde father didn’t spare the rod either. Now he’s raising a whole new generation of them. 7 kids and counting.
GayEGO
So Jimenez likes to spank kids and uses religion to excuse his pedophile beliefs! Another religious nut!
MynameisSid
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Mack
Please point out in the Bible where GOD said it was okay. Not some dumb shit minister that wrote a bunch of crap in the Bible BUT GOD.
missvamp
i’m fine with spanking. but holy shit these guys seem culty & just sick- total pedo bears.
Joshooeerr
We’ve seen where the “spare the rod” attitude leads. It leads to kids being beaten senseless, even to death, by delusional and sanctimonious types just like this moron.
trojanboy
He got hit on the head too much.
Chrisk
I find it interesting that he’s being interviewed by the friendly Atheist. Why even give this cult loon a platform? Who’s next. David Duke?
zealot
I have worked in child welfare in my state for more than 20 years. I also have an advanced degree and have done exhaustive study on corporal punishment. What I can say from an abuse standpoint, is that corporal punishment doesn’t serve to teach a child anything other than to be afraid of their parents. Trust is lost and a loving bond is broken when you elect to hit a child rather than talk to them. What a parent does when they resort to hitting a child is that they’re electing NOT to parent, electing NOT to understand the behavior of their child and instead do what is easy and harmful. When a parent elects to hit their child they’ve basically admitting “I don’t know what else to do, so I’m just going to hit/spank/shake them”. If one of these two people or their congregation believe the Bible protects them from abuse allegations, investigation and possible removal of your child from your home and care, think again. At the point where a spanking leaves bruises, child welfare pretty much universally gets involved. This may vary from state-to-state, but at the point spanking leaves a bruise, belt mark, etc. it’s considered abuse. Finally, I rarely interviewed a parent who injured their child during a spanking, who didn’t admit they were angry when doing so. When you know you’re angry the thing NOT to do is pick up a belt, or hit your child with your hands, but cool off, ask yourself why you’re so angry and talk to your child about it. Spanking also, inevitably leads to creating a cycle of using physical violence to solve problems rather than talking them out like a grown-up should. Grown-ups are expected to know more and do better when correcting unwanted behavior in their children. Physical violence is not the answer.
radiooutmike
I love how he describes all the ways to hit your kid without leaving a mark.
Gay Thomas
Five or ten years from now, we’ll be reading about these scumbags again. Either their killing fields or the ravages of their serial child molestation. Hello FBI, if I’m fairly certain of this, why aren’t you?
Jimmer
Beating a child is never okay, disciplining a child, sometimes.
I grew up in a wonderful family where corporal punishment was used if the offense called for it. In school I received swats two times, once in elementary school and once in high school. Both times were painful but they gave the message that there sometimes painful consequences for crossing certain lines. I was upset at the time but I understood and never did the offense again. Plus, I knew if I got swats at school I would get them again when I got home. None of my swats were done in a state of anger, only discipline.
In college, I took many teaching classes, I have a BSE in Mathematics. I wrote a research paper on corporal punishment. I decided I would use all of the alternative disciplining options in my classroom. Needless to say, sometimes teenagers need the consequence to hurt to get the proper message. As a high school teacher in my first year of teaching, I discovered that sometimes the alternative options are not enough to get the message across. I used corporal punishment twice after I used the skills I learned in college and they failed to work on certain students.
The first was a student at least twice my size, he just couldn’t follow the rules no matter the consequences. After I administered 3 swats, 3 was the school policy, he became one of my best behaved students and he also helped keep other students in line.
The second students was a pot head. After getting his initial 3 swats I overheard another student ask how I swatted. He responded “he swats like a p*ssy”. So, I gave him three more and never had another problem with him.
“Spare the rod (never use a rod, only flat palm or flat paddle), spoil the child” is a true statement when given under proper conditions. There are so many students who time-out, detention, in-school suspension, alternative placement school, or suspensions just don’t work. I truly believe this would cut out so many problems in schools including school shootings.
Also, we have raised a generation of whinny entitled people. Learn that “sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me”, it works. Or to quote a Drag Race alum, “water off a ducks back, (repeat)”.
MISTERJETT
there is a difference between child abuse and discipline. a little tap on the bottom doesn’t destroy the kid forever .