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‘At least one picture shows an American soldier apparently raping a female prisoner while another is said to show a male translator raping a male detainee’

That’s what is expected among the Abu Ghraib detainee photos President Obama doesn’t want released. MORE: “Among the graphic statements, which were later released under US freedom of information laws, is that of Kasim Mehaddi Hilas in which he says: ‘I saw [name of a translator] ******* a kid, his age would be about 15 to 18 years. The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets. Then when I heard screaming I climbed the door because on top it wasn’t covered and I saw [name] who was wearing the military uniform, putting his **** in the little kid’s ***…. and the female soldier was taking pictures.'” [Telegraph] Many of the photos may have actually been released already. After careful consideration, the blog At-Largely decided to publish some of them. Warning: Very disturbing and NSFW. “So I hope no one thinks, not even for a moment, that I am in any way taking the posting of these photos lightly. They are horrific. But they are the truth and they must be seen.”

UPDATE: The Pentagon denies The Telegraph‘s report, saying the paper has shown “an inability to get the facts right.”

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  • 33 Comments
    • Katie
      Katie

      Is it the least bit possible that these were photo shopped, please tell me they were photoshopped … ugh….

      May 28, 2009 at 2:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alec
      Alec

      Let me guess: The rapist wasn’t discharged under DADT.

      Horrible.

      May 28, 2009 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bitch, please!
      Bitch, please!

      Wonder what that loathsome asswipe, tallskin, who slinks around this website, has to say about his people doing this? Isn’t Tank another motherfucker who supports these behaviors as well?

      May 28, 2009 at 4:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @Katie:

      I doubt they were photoshopped.

      And despicable as it is, this is hardly the most gruesome thing our countries have done to keep us fat, happy and living the good life.

      May 28, 2009 at 4:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      From the original Salon article, we see the entire quote:

      A– H—-, I think he is Egyptian because of his accent, and he was not skinny or short, and he acted like a homosexual (gay).”

      So, a suspected terrorist who is–like most Muslims–anti-gay, accuses an Egyptian–who many Iranians and Iraqis detest–of raping a teenager. Uh huh.

      And Obama wants to release these people onto American soil. We can’t get married or fight for the military, but anti-American Muslims can run free doing what ever they please on the taxpayer’s dime

      May 28, 2009 at 4:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Michael W.
      Michael W.

      They must be seen, indeed. And they will be after the war is over.

      May 28, 2009 at 4:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John Santos:

      If I were you I’d be a bit more worried about those soldiers and interrogators running free in public.

      May 28, 2009 at 4:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @strumpetwindsock:

      If I were you I’d be a bit more worried about those soldiers and interrogators running free in public.

      I think I’ll be fine, as long as I don’t strap dynamite to a developmentally challenged Iraqi woman and send her onto a military base.

      May 28, 2009 at 5:04 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bri
      Bri

      I am in conflict over whether I should look at the pictures…

      May 28, 2009 at 5:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John Santos:

      Yeah, better warn your cab driving friends to be careful too.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_to_the_Dark_Side

      May 28, 2009 at 5:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Bri:

      Nothing very traumatic in the two pics, Bri. One has a blurry shot of a man with his crotch in another’s face; and another is of a prisoner with a bana between his cheeks.

      The only disturbing thing about those pics is that someone bothered to take pictures at all–most likely to show to the other prisoners as a “warning”, and the fact that they are tied up at the wrists and ankles with plastic ties.

      Most of the “rape” pics that have been floating around are actually porn pics of rape fantasies, which were debunked back in the mid 2000’s.

      May 28, 2009 at 5:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bri
      Bri

      @John Santos: I just looked and you’re right, they’re not too bad. Still a little unsettling that these things happen at all.

      May 28, 2009 at 5:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bitch, please!
      Bitch, please!

      @BRI and John Santos: You asswipes! I just wish you and your kind were on the receiving end. But who am I kidding? A whore’s (your mothers) children are usually spawned this way, anyways. So this is expressing “family love” for you two motherfuckers–and I meant that literally!

      May 29, 2009 at 12:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      Obviously, there is no official reason to take these kind of pictures. Having them around is clearly a liability to the military and not a good PR element. So why take them? Why force prisoners into these kind of situations?

      I think the answer has a lot to do with the psyches of people who authorize and justify these kind of abuses, and what it takes for them to get their kicks. Pier Paolo Pasolini might have had it right.

      May 29, 2009 at 12:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Joanaroo
      Joanaroo

      Why the hell do this kind of thing anyway-and film/photograph it-THEN worry, “Oh, if it’s uncovered they may do the same to our soldiers if they’re captured!”? Fucking duh? Your enemies are already incinerating you with IEDs and I don’t think much would keep them from rape or much worse to US troop prisoners. Geesus-what makes people do what they do is a mystery.

      May 29, 2009 at 1:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Bitch, please!:

      I just wish you and your kind were on the receiving end.

      We are.

      Iraqis are gluing the anuses of suspected homosexuals shut and force feeding them drugs to cause diarrhea, causing a slow and excruciating death. And you bitch and moan about a terrorist having another man’s crotch in his face? Go to Iraq and see how much love they have for you there, you stupid cunt.

      If I had ten minutes with that Muslim trash, I’d do a lot more than stick a banana up his ass–I’d eviscerate the bastard.

      May 29, 2009 at 10:00 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      @John Santos: I’m not going to say that the detainees are innocent, but you certainly have no reason to believe that they are guilty. You should check out how long we keep people locked up vs. the amount of evidence against them. People have been detained for years with no charges made.

      You’re assuming all the people in the photographs are the ones gluing asses shut, made evident by the unjustified use of the word ‘terrorist.’ That’s your obvious logic flaw. I think it’s obvious the U.S. military isn’t going to lock anyone up for anti-gay behavior.

      You wanna talk about the receiving end, imagine being forced from your home by an occupying force, for no discernible reason, never being told why you are being kept in shitty conditions, and stripped naked and put into human piles while your captors take “thumbs up” pictures. Like I said, I’m not assuming that they aren’t bad people, but you can’t assume they are.

      This would take about 30 seconds of rational thought to figure out.

      May 29, 2009 at 10:25 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      you certainly have no reason to believe that they are guilty.

      And I have no proof that they’re innocent.

      You should check out how long we keep people locked up vs. the amount of evidence against them. People have been detained for years with no charges made.

      Short answer? Better safe, than sorry.

      Long answer; in a time of war, when enemies have no trouble blowing up women and children, while other women and children cheer at the deaths of their enemies, we can’t be too liberal in our regard of potential enemies. These are not “freedom fighters,” they are suspected terrorists, or Anti-western Muslims with terrorist ties. These are not Americans–they are people who have no problem seeing the Western world wiped of the earth.

      You’re assuming all the people in the photographs are the ones gluing asses shut,

      And how many of those people would stop that atrocity, if they came upon it? None.

      made evident by the unjustified use of the word ‘terrorist.’

      They are locked up. The only conclusion I can make of that is that they are either suspected terrorists, or have terrorist sympathies.

      That’s your obvious logic flaw. I think it’s obvious the U.S. military isn’t going to lock anyone up for anti-gay behavior.

      But they will lock up people who are suspected terrorists.

      You wanna talk about the receiving end, imagine being forced from your home by an occupying force, for no discernible reason, never being told why you are being kept in shitty conditions, and stripped naked and put into human piles while your captors take “thumbs up” pictures.

      That very same scenario happens to gay Iraqis daily, Kid A. You’re so wrapped up in your bleeding heart, that you’re willing to forgive the unforgivable, just to appear “concerned”. These people are alive. How many dead Iraqi queers are in Iraq, Kid A? A crotch in the face? A banana up the ass? Big fucking deal. Iraqi militia are beheading Iraqi queers. Where’s your concern for you own kind, Kid A?

      Like I said, I’m not assuming that they aren’t bad people, but you can’t assume they are.

      Yes I can–they’re locked up.

      This would take about 30 seconds of rational thought to figure out.

      Cry me a river.

      May 29, 2009 at 10:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      @John Santos: “My own kind” is human beings, John. I don’t care if they are gay, bi, or straight, American or Middle-Eastern. If they are being detained for wrongdoing, then fine, follow the rule of law and prosecute them. But there is no need for this kind of treatment. You’re setting up a false dilemma, either I have to feel sympathize with detainees or gay Iraqis. I don’t have to make that choice. I think the treatment of both is horrible and not necessarily equitable. But just because some people do horrible things doesn’t mean we can treat the people around them like shit. Even if they are “evil ter’rists” we don’t treat them like shit. We prosecute within the law and take the high ground.

      “Yes I can, they’re locked up.”

      So they’re evil because they’re locked up, and they’re locked up because they’re evil. And speeding is against the law because it’s illegal.

      http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/begging-the-question.html

      http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/composition.html

      May 29, 2009 at 11:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      @John Santos: And I haven’t heard the phrase “bleeding heart” since I last saw “12 Angry Men.” You should check it out; you might find a kindred spirit.

      May 29, 2009 at 11:04 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John Santos:

      I presume you mean if you had ten minutes with someone who was shackled and defenseless, and since you are linking them to abuses of others, I presume you don’t really care if your victim is guilty of anything or not

      Even at the height of World War Two the Allies ordered their guards to adhere to the terms of the Geneva Conventions.

      Never mind that prisoner abuse has been the best recruiting tool al Quaeda has:

      http://thinkprogress.org/2009/05/27/reid-guantanamo-prisons/

      it also guarantees that prisoners who might otherwise have been able to stand trial in a real court cannot be charged.

      Now memos are coming to light that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s seven and nine-year-old children were tortured with insects

      And an article on a a new book by an experienced interrogator who managed to get the job done in Iraq without raping prisoners:
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/26/former-interrogator-rebuk_n_207483.html

      May 29, 2009 at 11:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Kid A:

      “My own kind” is human beings, John.

      Bullshit. Do you really think those people give a damn about your liberal sensibilities? They’d as soon put decapitate you as look at you.

      I don’t care if they are gay, bi, or straight, American or Middle-Eastern.

      Clearly you hierarchy of concern. Suspected terrorists in a prison concern you. Dead gay Iraqis–murdered by the very people you care about–are low on your list of priorities simply because they are not being held by US troops.

      If they are being detained for wrongdoing, then fine, follow the rule of law and prosecute them.

      How can they be prosecuted, if they refuse to answer questions about their crimes? Are you saying we should just prosecute and punish, before these people admit what they have done wrong and to whom?

      But there is no need for this kind of treatment.

      As there is no need for gluing the anuses of queer Iraqis, but I didn’t see much outcry about that.

      You’re setting up a false dilemma, either I have to feel sympathize with detainees or gay Iraqis.

      Yes. You either support the safety of terrorists, or you support the freedom of gay Iraqis.

      I don’t have to make that choice.

      You already have, Kid A.

      I think the treatment of both is horrible and not necessarily equitable.

      Oh! So getting your ass glued shut and being poisoned with your own waste is not nearly as bad as having a banana up your ass? Well, in your defense, it was a pretty big banana.

      But just because some people do horrible things doesn’t mean we can treat the people around them like shit.

      It’s not about revenge. It’s about stopping these people from doing more harm, and learning who their compatriots are.

      Even if they are “evil ter’rists” we don’t treat them like shit.

      We don’t treat them like shit. They have a room, meals, access to lawyers and international outcry. That is much more than these monsters give Iraqi queers and women.

      We prosecute within the law and take the high ground.

      How has that worked with Obama and marriage equality, Kid A?

      So they’re evil because they’re locked up, and they’re locked up because they’re evil.

      Yes.

      And speeding is against the law because it’s illegal.

      It’s dangerous–to oneself and to others.

      @Kid A:

      And I haven’t heard the phrase “bleeding heart” since I last saw “12 Angry Men.” You should check it out; you might find a kindred spirit.

      I’ve seen it; all three versions and the stage play. I thought Jack Klugman was brilliant in the 1957 version as the reformed street kid who took umbrage at being lumped in with all criminals.

      May 29, 2009 at 11:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @strumpetwindsock:

      I presume you mean if you had ten minutes with someone who was shackled and defenseless,

      I’ll give them the same advantages to defend themselves that they give queer Iraqis.

      and since you are linking them to abuses of others, I presume you don’t really care if your victim is guilty of anything or not

      They wouldn’t be locked up if their were innocent. They are at Gitmo because they did something, or know something. Not everyone who claims innocence, innocent.

      Even at the height of World War Two the Allies ordered their guards to adhere to the terms of the Geneva Conventions.

      Because there was honor among soldiers. Have you ever heard about the World War 1 Christmas truce?

      http://tinyurl.com/lgknoc

      Al Qaeda is an enemy who will murder their own women and children to destroy Western soldiers. they are not human and they do not deserve human compassions.

      Never mind that prisoner abuse has been the best recruiting tool al Quaeda has

      Al Qaeda has been doing fine with recruitment long before Gitmo opened it’s doors. They even managed to nab John Walker Lindh. They don’t need any excuses to round up religious zealots willing to die for their religion.

      it also guarantees that prisoners who might otherwise have been able to stand trial in a real court cannot be charged.

      And?

      Now memos are coming to light that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed’s seven and nine-year-old children were tortured with insects

      And of course Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is a reliable source. How messed up is your world view that you defend terrorists? What has Khalid Sheikh Mohammed ever done for you?

      And an article on a a new book by an experienced interrogator who managed to get the job done in Iraq without raping prisoners

      “Matthew Alexander” does a wonderful job of blaming America for the Taliban’s terrorist activity. Does he also blame rape victims for dressing too seductively?

      May 29, 2009 at 11:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John Santos:

      “They wouldn’t be locked up if they were innocent?”

      Not according to Colin Powell.
      And that taxi driver who was tortured and murdered by U.S. interrogators at Baghram was completely innocent.

      You should also re-acquaint yourself with how allied prisoners were treated by the Nazis and the Japanese, if you think it was honourable. Even with those abuses, and an actual attack and invasion (9-11 was an act of terrorism, not war)our side did not resort to a policy of torture.

      I think Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a a very smart man in realizing that a simple act like 9-11 would make one of the greatest nations in the world turn their backs on the ideals of freedom and the rule of law, start attacking muslims and clamping down on their own people.

      Your indiscriminate anti-muslim reaction (and that of your government) is exactly the response they were hoping for.

      May 29, 2009 at 12:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Kid A
      Kid A

      “Bullshit. Do you really think those people give a damn about your liberal sensibilities? They’d as soon put decapitate you as look at you.”

      It doesn’t matter what their reaction would be to my sensibilities. What matters is that the average innocent Iraqi has a right not to be swept off to detainment without cause, and that the suspected criminals be given fair trials.

      “Clearly you hierarchy of concern. Suspected terrorists in a prison concern you. Dead gay Iraqis–murdered by the very people you care about–are low on your list of priorities simply because they are not being held by US troops.”

      I don’t “care” about people who torture and kill gay Iraqis. I never have indicated that I do. I care that the people we detain aren’t unnecessarily abused. Your problem is that you’ve conflated the two. Being held by US troops or not is irrelevant to the issue, except that the US military takes my tax dollars and does these things in my name, and I can ask for them to be accountable. I have no such claim with particular homophobic, murderous Iraqis.

      “How can they be prosecuted, if they refuse to answer questions about their crimes? Are you saying we should just prosecute and punish, before these people admit what they have done wrong and to whom?”

      People are prosecuted every day without answering about their crimes. People go to prison maintaining their innocence, but the reason they’re there is because of evidence proving that they committed a crime. There is most often little to no such evidence in the case of our detainees. We don’t need people to admit that they’ve done wrong to prosecute/punish them, we need evidence. We’re not a collective version of Orwell’s O’Brien here.

      “As there is no need for gluing the anuses of queer Iraqis, but I didn’t see much outcry about that.”

      Of course there is no need for that. And the reason there was no outcry is that the Queerty article is about the behavior of our military forces, so that’s what we’re commenting on. The abuse of gay Iraqis is a totally different animal.

      “Yes. You either support the safety of terrorists, or you support the freedom of gay Iraqis.”

      No, I support the freedom of gay Iraqis, and the fair treatment of our detainees. See, that simple. The reason it’s that easy is because there is no reason to believe they are the same people. More on this later.

      “Oh! So getting your ass glued shut and being poisoned with your own waste is not nearly as bad as having a banana up your ass? Well, in your defense, it was a pretty big banana.”

      I already said that they are not necessarily equitable, but you chose to flip that to mean that I’m saying the banana is worse than the gluing. Which is the opposite of my intent, and a meaning that should have been obvious to anyone who wasn’t intentionally trying to twist someone’s words.

      “It’s not about revenge. It’s about stopping these people from doing more harm, and learning who their compatriots are.”

      I agree. And the best way to prevent harm and learn about those compatriots is covered in the links provided by strumpetwindsock.

      “We don’t treat them like shit. They have a room, meals, access to lawyers and international outcry. That is much more than these monsters give Iraqi queers and women.”

      You’re right that there is less attention given to the crimes against gay Iraqis. That doesn’t make what happens to our detainees right, and it doesn’t make us wrong for wanting to stop it.

      “How has that worked with Obama and marriage equality, Kid A?”

      I’m confused about what you’re getting at here, if you could clarify.

      You still haven’t addressed my issue with your circular reasoning. You seem to ascribe flawless judgement to our justice system; every prisoner must be guilty otherwise they wouldn’t be in prison. With that kind of thinking, every time someone has been angry with you, they must be justified, otherwise they wouldn’t be angry! But I’m sure you can think of many situations in your life when someone was not right to be angry with you.

      You’re angry about the way gays in Iraq are treated. That’s clear, and that’s good. I agree that more coverage should be given to the appalling ways that gays, women, and other social minorities are treated in these cultures. And I agree with you that the people who do these things should be punished. But it should be the PEOPLE WHO DO THOSE THINGS. Not whoever happened to be captured by some overzealous soldier on a power trip.

      Like I and strumpetwindsock have indicated, you have no reason to believe that the people we are holding are the ones committing atrocities to gays. The soldiers doing these things aren’t doing it because of the treatment of gay Iraqis, John. They’re not doing it for the sense of “justice” that you see manifest. They’re doing it for sick pleasure. If you had asked Pvt. Lynndie England if she was sexually abusing prisoners to get revenge for the deaths of gay Iraqis, she would have laughed in your face.

      I am against human rights abuses wherever they are. I am against honor killings, I am against state-sanctioned killing of LGBT people around the world, I am against the pervasive prison rape in the US, and I am against an occupying force torturing and abusing untried captives. I am not saying they are all the same, I am not saying they are equally bad. But they are all wrong, and if there is an article about one of the topics, I will comment on it.

      May 29, 2009 at 12:20 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @strumpetwindsock:

      And that taxi driver who was tortured and murdered by U.S. interrogators at Baghram was completely innocent.

      As are all the queer Iraqis.

      You should also re-acquaint yourself with how allied prisoners were treated by the Nazis and the Japanese, if you think it was honourable.

      So which is it, you defend past war practices, or you repudiate them? The Allies stood by the Geneva Convention and were brutalized by the enemy. So today, you want us to molly-coddle terrorists and hope they do the same with us?

      Even with those abuses, and an actual attack and invasion (9-11 was an act of terrorism, not war)our side did not resort to a policy of torture.

      Yes and according to you, they were still brutalized by the Germans and Japanese.

      I think Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was a a very smart man in realizing that a simple act like 9-11 would make one of the greatest nations in the world turn their backs on the ideals of freedom and the rule of law, start attacking muslims and clamping down on their own people.

      What? You actually support terrorist acts on US soil as “smart”? What kind of traitorous monster are you? Why don’t you go the fuck to Iraq and see what they do to your ass and then come back–if you’re still alive–and tell us how wonderful those bastards are.

      Your indiscriminate anti-muslim reaction (and that of your government) is exactly the response they were hoping for.

      Fucking traitor. If you think Iraq and it’s citizens are so endearing, leave the comfort of the UK and venture to any Muslim dominated nation and see what you get.

      I’m done with you. Go defend your Muslim buddies somewhere else, you goddamned sellout.

      May 29, 2009 at 1:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John Santos
      John Santos

      @Kid A:

      I’m not going to get into a war of words with a couple of douchebags who think terrorists deserve anything other than absolute force.

      Like I told the dipshit above, if you think they are such a wonderful group and deserving of compassion, then go to Iraq and see how they treat you, Kid A.

      As long as that anti-gay trash tortures and murders our queer Iraqi brothers and sisters, I will support any means to stop their plans to wipe the western world off the face of the earth.

      Leading your own people to the ovens. Drop dead.

      May 29, 2009 at 1:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Tony
      Tony

      This whole thing makes me sick. We think we are the “good guys” but look at our actions. No matter what, this kind of horror should never be done, and never be done in our name. Horrible.

      May 29, 2009 at 2:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      @John Santos:

      Did I say I supported the 9-11 attack? No.

      The fact remains that it was a very effective terrorist act.
      9-11 was a relatively small event when you compare it to actual invasions and military strikes. Yet this one incident has turned one of the most civilized and advanced countries in the world into barbarians,

      God help us if that is all it takes you guys to forget the rule of law and provisions against torture.

      Do you honestly not see what you are doing?

      May 29, 2009 at 3:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Inukumaru
      Inukumaru

      This gay novel has pretty extreme views about religion and being gay all done in a sci-fi style sory, the writer was even almost killed when this book was first published. After being banned in his own country it is now available.
      check the plot – As predicted by Isaac Newton the second coming happened and as the world waited to see what was about to happen an appointed man was sent to meet God, hours later God had vanished and the man came out immortal; no apocalypse, no destruction and no salvation. This gave birth to a chain of holy wars that almost chattered Earth’s civilizations and so giving birth to a mass colonization of planets to ensure peace by separation. Thousands of years later all was at peace by until Endings were born; humans connected to their planets in such a way that they are capable of destroying them should they wish it. Now Earth’s Ending has been born and the day to pass judgment draws near.
      it can be found here

      http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-book/sodoms-x–a-song-for-the-end-/7182389

      Apart from that it is very hard to find

      May 29, 2009 at 9:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • strumpetwindsock
      strumpetwindsock

      FYI:

      http://www.boingboing.net/2009/05/30/fbi-terrorist-interr.html

      May 31, 2009 at 2:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ricky
      Ricky

      @John Santos:

      Fuck strumpetwindsock and kid a?

      Fuck you.

      Were ALL human first.

      It’s not that you wont continue your rant with Kid a, You can’t, because you keep repeating your tired bs.

      Jun 1, 2009 at 12:45 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Lex
      Lex

      This is very unsurprising to me. Slaves were treated in a similar manner, like animals, inhuman.

      People talk about faceless “terrorists” as if that excuses inhuman injustice. We’re supposed to be so above “barbarian” acts and then turn around to do the same or worse.

      Is anyone with brown skin a terrorist now? Are all Muslims terrorists now? Does use of the word “terrorist” mean guilty until proven innocent?

      Just because someone is detained does not make them guilty. If someone is guilty it does not give us the right to treat them inhumanely.

      I wonder if the same unjust rage would be hurled at these “terrorists” if they were white. None of these men depicted have done anything personally to you. You don’t know if they were behind 9/11, you don’t know if they have even done anything at all, yet you’ve decided that because their skin is brown and they’re being detained that automatically they are terrorists.

      This is a scary and very ugly repeat of the past that just continues to grow. It’s like the Holocaust and Slavery all rolled up into one. Nice, guys. Who knew that much unbridled hate was even possible. You sure are better than those terrorists who are so very scary, try not to spill your latte in your lap while you shiver with fear at your laptop.

      Jun 1, 2009 at 9:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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