Let me say this in no unclear words:
DRAG IS NOT ONLY FOR CIS MALES.
I don’t think anyone is pushing that narrative. It’s not for anyone else to determine when someone’s transition has started or ended. Nor is that anyone’s business. Now let me say this in no unclear words:
FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY
There’s a lot of work to be done in this community. Let’s do it whilst strengthening ourselves. Everything isn’t black and white. #protecttransyouth”— Bob the Drag Queen, in an Instagram post addressing the controversy sparked by RuPaul’s comments about whether he’d allow transwomen who’ve physically transitioned compete on “Drag Race.”
Where there is pain there is often anger. Where there is anger there is often change. The only thing constant is change. Sometimes we are so angry that we'll burn the entire village to get to one person. Sometimes we'll burn the village while we're still standing in the town square with no way to escape ourselves. Let me say this in no unclear words: DRAG IS NOT ONLY FOR CIS MALES. I don't think anyone is pushing that narrative. It's not for anyone else to determine when someone's transition has started or ended. Nor is that anyone's business. Now let me say this in no unclear words: FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY There's a lot of work to be done in this community. Let's do it whilst strengthening ourselves. Everything isn't black and white. #protecttransyouth
Let me say it in no uncertain terms: the word ‘cis’ is hate speech. Those who use it demonstrate an anti-social disregard for the feelings of others. And for transfolk to use it – having argued (rightfully) for years that they alone were entitled to decide what words were to be used to describe them – is obscene and invalidates their arguments against terms they dislike.
Post operative and transitioning female to male folks can do drag. But a transitioning or post operative male to female person doing drag is about as pointless as a biological woman doing drag.
Besides, given how nasty many transfolk have been about drag in general – this whining is disgusting.
Charlie in Charge
I guess you have never seen Faux Queens, cis (or biological as you seem to be offended by that word) women who perform in drag shows. In SF we have some pretty prominent Faux Queens and they have won pageants. They are very talented and far from pointless.
what the hell does “trans” have to do with being Lesbian, Bisexual, Gay or Queer?
Drag is a form of art… it’s not just (about) dudes trying to dress up as women to get money, but a lot of them put time, money, and effort into perfecting their craft and put their bodies through a lot to achieve a certain aesthetic. I find Ru’s comments about Peppermint odd, especially when she was the only trans woman on Season 9 but she hadn’t had any body modifications to transition to present as her gender, but you had queens like Cynthia Lee Fontaine. Kimora Blacc, and Trinity who identified as male, but had fillers, injections in their ass and thighs, all to fulfill a drag look. So how is it okay for them because they present as males, but it’d be a problem for Peppermint because she identifies as a woman? Bob is right, but Ru’s logic is inconsistent and needed to be called out
The point is they use the term CIS as derogatory, as if they would have any shot at acceptance if it weren’t for all the work done by these “CIS” men and women fighting the LGB battles of the last 50 years. Gender non-binary is kind of nonsense. Sorry. Falls into the bipolar category for me. At least in my day they just called themselves Goth and washed it off when they outgrew it. 2 steps backwards for the acceptance battle if yous ask me. It will never fly in Iowa and, this time, for a good reason.
I don’t know who invited the T to the GLBQ party. Can any group that experiences discrimination just get to hang on to our tails. Trans want to be conventional men and women, to blend and pass. Isn’t that heterosexuality. Especially if they are going to be a drag on our progress which they are. We have nothing in common. Biological and transitioned women are not drag queens. They can go to a straight pageant for straight people. What is so confusing?
Jesus, you sound like when white people describe affirmative action as “reverse racism.” Cis was just created so that there could be a neutral term to refer to non-trans people as opposed to “normal” which would inherently be derogatory towards trans people by implying they were not normal. It’s the same reason we have the word “straight” (imagine for a second how you would feel if there was no word for “straight” or “heterosexual” and we just had normal people and gay people).
I don’t think anyone uses the term “cis” as a derogatory term (I don’t really even know how or it could be used as such). To the extent you see “cis” as hate speech, its your own overly sensitive interpretation of it.
My only issue with the trans community and I suppose the gay community overall (btw I’m a gay male so no disrespect) is this whole modern disconnect between not wanting to be labeled or put into a box but then turning around and labeling everything to death. Younger generations these days seem to have an overwhelming urge to refuse any sort of label or category to define themselves which my brain has been struggling to adapt to for a while now. But then these same youths are all trying to be as politically correct as possible by inventing terms like “cisgender” “sexually fluid” “gender non conforming” or anything else. I see those terms and I read them as male, female, bisexual, and tomboy or effeminate. Creating new words to describe concepts that have already been in existence longer than most of these younger generations have, doesn’t change the fact that these ideas aren’t new or revolutionary. Your just putting a different colored bow on the same box.
Actually, today’s young people (30>) didn’t invent most of these terms; this discourse emerged from lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender theory, as well as queer and gender theory in the late 1980s, 1990s, and early 2000s. It continues to be refined, but like many things in the US (Freudian theory, etc.), gets diffused through multiple channels, and utilized even when people don’t fully understand it, leading to attacks against like the one above by @Erik.
In my opinion, If your transwoman, you supposed drag a male. If your transman, you drag as a female. If a transwoman drag as a girl, than it call acting or actress.
People gonna hate me.
Wait, are you or aren’t you a woman when you transition? I thought we were supposed to consider trans women as women, period. So, if they are women, then they are women pretending to be women. Huh? Ru had it right the first time. I’m so tired of this nonsense.
Yeah, I’m with RuPaul on this one.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Wait.. what? You’ve gone over to the Russians??? Shame on you, Trumpy bigot nazi
When was the last time you say a woman walking down the street looking like a drag queen? Lol there is a difference between female attire and drag. Drag is over the top larger than life. Bio women and trans women can totally be drag queens.
No, they can’t. Drag is a man dressing as an exaggerated-version of a woman as a form of entertainment, not a woman dressing as a woman. You totally miss the entire point.
Quentin Crisp used to say that whenever he saw a drag queen he thought it was 1927 again. (Quentin was about 20 years old in 1927.)
Yeah, drag isn’t how modern-day women really dress.
Charlie in Charge
No, Polaro, there are plenty of women (trans and not trans) that make good money as drag queens. You declaring that they do not exist doesn’t make them vanish in a puff of flawed logic.
Name one famous woman doing female drag. There aren’t any. You may want to be all touchy feelie, but facts matter; women dressing as women is not drag, it’s fashion. Stop appropriating gay culture for this new-age nonsense.
I couldn’t agree more with RuPaul. The essence of drag is cross-dressing and breaking gender norms. A woman (trans or bio) wearing make-up and wearing clothes usually worn by women is NOT cross-dressing nor is it breaking gender norms. It’s NOT drag.
Of course Queerty is deleting all the comments pointing out this is just the latest in a long line of gay and lesbian institutions being infiltrated by transgenders then torn down from within. They already killed the entire gay rights movement. They attack gay prides. Run bars out of business. Taken over gay rights groups to push their agenda only. Now they have moved on to destroying this show because they are entitled to all things gay.
It’s interesting, you blame transgendered people for attacking gay pride, and only pushing their agenda in gay groups……
So by your definition you must be trans because you yourself consistently come in here and attack ANYTHING gay, anything lgbt, and only defend anti-lgbt Republican bigots.
So by your own history, if they really WERE attacking and wrecking all of this stuff you must love it.
As always you rants seem unhinged. Everyone else on here just tried to ignore you but feel the need to try to comment on every single comment everyone else makes, then you accuse them all of being the same person.
Ummmm Yeah, you are right.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Never understood the weird centrality of drag in gay culture (and YES, it’s overwhelming a product of GAY culture, not trans) ..never believed the pseudo-intellectual, faux radical, “subverting gender stereotypes..challenging patriarchal expectations” BS (such as the embarrassingly asinine one Mr. Charles gave to the Guardian) — maybe if it was still the 1950s. This recent SJW driven nonsense only further underscores its tired assed intellectual vacuity and (gay) cultural redundancy. So many of these “brave” gender subversives undergoing feminising beautifying surgical procedures, which is as subversive as a fvcking Kardashian)…the rest identifying as supposedly “real” .women (and unchecked both of these tendencies will increase now like an arms race till they’re all trans or as good as) but fighting to be included as male drag queens but then outraged to be considered a trannsvestites. Miss me with this. This is for straight women now anyway
Ok, My comment and take it or leave it as you like.
Drag is a big middle finger to regularity. It is subversive, and as a side effect entertaining. It is made by people who have been put down, or very often those who “Regular Society” doesn’t see as the norm.
That is why gay man and lesbians have for ages done drag as both an expression and a statement of defiance.
Are Transgendered people totally accepted by society? Are they part of the establishment? No. So frankly, if they can rock out a good drag show then more power to them. Sure there’s a difference between a drag queen having breast implants. But there was also a difference between India Ferra wearing a fake breast plate and Raja who went full boy chest. I don’t see the huge deal.
These mock outrages are so tiresome. It’s Ru’s show, his rules. If you don’t agree with his philosophy, go start a different competition.
Yes, you got that right, and I’m sure that show with women doing female drag will be a huge hit!
I think Miss America/Miss Universe is filling that women doing drag niche quite nicely.
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