Apparently retaliation is a Christian value.
In light of all the bakeries that refuse to serve gay customers, citing religious beliefs as their justification for discriminating against them, Theodore Shoebat of Shoebat.com (a site that accepts donations to rescue persecuted Christians) decided to turn the tables, so he called bakery after bakery asking if they’d make him a cake for his pro-traditional marriage celebration with the phrase “gay marriage is wrong” written on it.
And he captured it on video.
The first call is by far the best because the woman who answers the phone turns out to be a right-on lesbian who goes off the minute he starts spouting his hate smack. (And P.S., after five-and-a-half minutes, she actually does agree to make him an antigay cookie — this particular bakery doesn’t make cakes — at which point the video cuts to another call.)
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Every other person he calls does turn him down, to which he replies “I thought you guys were for equality” — even though at no point does any person he speaks to actually say they’re for equality.
What this guy clearly doesn’t get is that there’s a big difference between refusing to serve a customer and refusing to serve a customer in a certain way. For the sake of fairness, he should have also asked each bakery if they’d make a cake that said “religious fanatics are douche bags.” Because chances are, all of them would have said no to that as well. Asking someone to make a cake with a “pro” message is entirely different from asking someone to make one with an “anti” one.
In actuality, he’s not asking for equality; he’s asking for inequality.
Even more annoying is his constant misuse of the reflexive pronoun “myself”: “What about people like myself?” he asks ad nauseum, when he should be asking, “What about people like me?”
But here’s the real question: If you have this much time on your hands, dude, why aren’t you using it for something good? Wouldn’t that be the true Christian thing to do?
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VampDC
Equality would mean they bakeries would have “anti-straight” products, which they don’t.
Also I find it ironic that he’s so against any pro-gay company, but posts the video on youtube which is a gay friendly company.
CoachS
Every time I hear this guy’s name I can’t help but think it needs to take on a new meaning. Moonbat… bat—t crazy… Shoebat. Shoebat: a Christian who just doesn’t get the whole “Christ” part of Christianity and wastes their time proving to the world that they don’t. A homophobe who wastes their time tilting at windmills.
Ladbrook
God, what fucking tool he is.
If he’d asked a gay baker for a wedding cake with a man/woman on top he would have gotten one. Instead, he asks a gay baker for a cake with hate speech on it – and then gets pissed off when he can’t have it.
And by the way, some of the rightwing Christian sites are have a field day over it – including that self-hating idiot who writes the GayPatriot blog.
SpunkyBunks
Aren’t cakes supposed to be festive and fun? Who the hell puts negative political statements all over a freakin cake! Insane a-holes, that’s who. I would agree to make it just to see what kind of weirdo comes in to pick it up, and laugh at their crazy ass when they leave. It’s a freakin cake people.
Chris Vogel
All very normal for religious conservatives–very Christian, in short–arrogant, malicious, vain, and wilfully ignorant. By way of example, this dingbat is incapable of seeing the difference between a cake celebrating a wedding (which Christian bakers won’t do if it is a same-sex couple), and one trashing others which is, of course, what he wanted, since that is what Christians do almost automatically. It’s nice that the bakeries he contacted, not being Christian and all, refused to do the latter.
chaddyboy6
first of all it is not hate speech. Second, if a straight person can be sued and bullied because they won’t do a cake that says gay marriage equality but a gay one can not for saying the opposite that is hypocrisy. We are all entitled to free speech. And lastly, no one should be forced to deal with you if they do not want to nor you be forced to deal with those you don’t. Not everyone is going to like you or approve of you or accept you. that is reality.
Trippy
What a pathetic human being.
Imagine this: I’m a Christian and I walk into a Jewish owned bakery and ask for a cake with an Easter theme. Chances are around 99.99999% that he makes it for me. Now imagine if I’d gone to the same Jewish baker and asked for a cake with a star of David on it and a red x drawn through it. I’m guessing I’d be leaving without a cake… but would probably have a well-deserved black eye for my troubles.
None of this matters, of course, because the Christianists who are cheering this are, get this, comparing apples to oranges… yet again.
Trippy
@chaddyboy6: You’re an idiot. How’s that for some free speech?
RSun
@chaddyboy6: You are confused. The direct equivalent would be a straight couple walking into a gay bakery and asking for a cake with a bride and a groom on it.
Chris Vogel
@RSun: And the couple would get that cake. Gay bakeries are not like Christian bakeries. They do draw the line at bigotry, though, which Christian bakeries might take seriously. Is that too much to expect? Evidently.
robho3
I kinda see his point but here is what I don’t get. As a gay person why would I want to give my gay $$$ to a business that doesn’t support the gay community. As gay people We should only give to businesses that support our community shouldn’t we? And the right wing conservatives should support their right wing wacko businesses. I, myself, would never give my money to a business that doesn’t support the gay community. The gay dollar is a very powerful thing- we should use it to our advantage.
Chris Vogel
@robho3: This is not an option that is always available, especially in the Deep South. (Many of these states have penal/criminal codes that still prohibit inter-racial marriage, and where high schools still hold segregated Proms.) Where prosecution has occurred, in any case, it is because there is a state or local ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation, among other things. Not having such an ordinance means that discrimination in employment and housing, as well as business services, would be legal, on all of the grounds (race, religion, gender, ethnic origin disability, etc.
Trippy
@Chris Vogel: Mostly correct. There are a couple of instances where high schools tried to have segregated proms, but they are the exception, not the rule. These events were negatively covered in the national media (rightly so) because local press had negatively covered them first.
As for interracial marriage, it is not prohibited anywhere in the USA nor has it been in quite some time. There may be a few backward jerks in certain communities that look down on it, but it’s not against the law.
You are very correct that in most small towns and cities (across the USA, but especially in the south) couples do not always have a lot of options when seeking wedding vendors. In some cities, all 3 of the local florists might be gay, while at the same time, both cake makers might be fundamentalist Christians with a axe to grind. This is why these non-discrimination laws are so important. In NY or LA or Chicago couples have hundreds of choices, but in small town SC, Montana, or Iowa… not so much.
Chris Vogel
@Trippy: I am entirely correct. Last I looked (2013), there were 11 States, 10 in the Deep South and Oklahoma, whose penal or criminal codes prohibit inter-racial marriage. These all have been over-ridden by a decision of the Supreme Court (Loving vs Virgina, 1967), but those states have not changed their laws. Twelve of these states also prohibit homosexual sex but, again, this was overridden by the Supreme Court (Lawrence vs Texas, 2003). Nevertheless, those states seems to be happy with this law and, last spring, at attempt to repeal it in Louisiana failed because “that was not what the people of Louisiana wanted”. This summer, a Sheriff in Arizona tried to enforce their anti-sodomy statute anyway. As for segregated Proms, they are known to continue in at least seven states, all in the South and in Texas.
Chris Vogel
You may also wish to pay attention to Religious Freedom Restoration Acts, enacted in 20 states, so far. They extend the exemptions from prosecution under all anti-discrimination legislation which protect religious institutions and organizations. These exemptions have been defined by the courts to apply only where there is an explicit doctrine to justify discrimination and where the discriminatory act occurred in performance of the sacramental function (includes schools but not halls whose rental is offered to the general public. This was not nearly enough for religious conservatives, of course, so they are promoted RFSAs everywhere. The RFSA allows discrimination by anyone with a “firmly held conviction” in any setting, so that you can have, in those states, a religious drugstore or gas station or whatever. (Nothing about doctrine has to be proven.) Proponents of RFSAs invariably assert that they are intended to protect religious conservatives who operate businesses from having to serve homosexuals, but the Acts have no such limitations and authorise discrimination by anybody (who asserts a “firmly held conviction”) against anybody, in employment, housing, and services. Ironically, some of these 20 states did not prohibit discrimination against homosexuals, but some had municipalities that did (whose ordinances are now invalidated), and there was always the possibility, of course, of adding it in the future, which would now be futile.
MisterDemand
Honestly i think anyone with half a brain cell ( no matter where the fall on this issue) can see this is a crazy false equivalency.
ingyaom
“false equivalency” is right.
Ordering a cake that says “gay marriage is wrong” is not the same as ordering one for Adam & Steve.
An anti-gay marriage cake is a hate message, as is a bakery refusing to make an Adam & Steve cake, so both are wrong. It’s not hypocracy to expect tolerance (or even acceptance); it’s hypocracy to compare a bakery that refuses to make a cake with a hate message on it to one that supports marriage equality.
Saint Law
@chaddyboy6: They can express what opinions they like out-of-hours, however a business ought not to be allowed to discriminate on the basis of sex, sexuality or race and certainly not on because of something they read in a badly written work of fiction.
If they can not sell their goods and services honestly and impartially they should be shut down. End of.
Saint Law
Why are all the worst people religious?
Roan
He broke the law in his home state of PA where the calls originated and CA where at least one, or more, of the bakeries were located. Both states are two party consent states. His recording has no record of him asking for permission to record these calls.
Trippy
@Chris Vogel: True, but as you pointed out, SCOTUS overturned them. They are not enforced, and can’t be. Aside from an inbred trailer bark in Alabama, there just aren’t that many people around here trying to enforce sodomy and/or miscegenation statutes. You are completely mischaracterizing the south. It’s ignorant. Do you also post Mafioso stereotypes when discussing the Italian community in NY?
Roan
Baking a cake is not a religious act. Period.
transiteer
The biggest whackos are religious. The most violent, hateful people hide behind religion. It’s a mental illness, and they’re in need of professional help that is NOT a priest, vicar, minister, pastor or other fake.
Stache99
Made it two minutes in.
False analogy. The gay baker doesn’t care that their “traditional values Christians” and would bake the damn cake. This would be akin to asking Christians to put on their cakes God is dead or something to that effect.
Dakotahgeo
Total nerdy jackass! Where do they come up with this bufa?
aliengod
This guy is a total fucktard, but he sort of has a point. I think if a business wants to refuse to do business with someone, they should have that right.
Personally, I wouldn’t want to force an anti-gay cake shop to bake me a cake. I wouldn’t spend my money at such a place.
Chris Vogel
@aliengod: Depends on the jurisdiction, since some (states and municipalities) have ordinances that prohibit discrimination on a number of grounds (including race, religion, age, gender, ethnic origin, disability) sometimes including sexual orientation. The point here is that employers, landlords and businesspeople must treat employees, tenants and customers on their individual merits–in the case of customers, ability to pay, usually–and not by some category that they belong to, or are thought to belong to. This means that individuals who are members of unpopular minorities (where listed in the legislation) can go about their daily lives without being subject to discrimination at every turn. I appreciate that, from an American point of view, this seems rather liberal, although it is popular elsewhere in the civilised world. Not good for religious nuts, though, since they expect the law to enforce their dingbat and obnoxious beliefs on everyone else.
Ladbrook
@aliengod: That’s a slippery slope argument. I agree with you: I wouldn’t buy a cake from them either, but where do we draw the line – With just those who refuse to do business with LGBT couples? Do anti-Semites get the same privilege? What about the KKK fellow in Georgia who also happens to own a small town’s only gas station? Does he get to refuse oil changes to African Americans and Muslims?
This is not about a person’s religious or political beliefs. It’s about basic equality with respect to commerce laws.
Sluggo2007
Another jerk hiding behind his BS religion.