Has there ever been a more embarrassing time to be a queer Republican? Look at what the humiliated Log Cabin Republicans have been reduced to: withholding their endorsement from Trump, despite him being what they call “perhaps the most pro-LGBT presidential nominee in the history of the Republican Party.”
The sad truth is that they are probably correct, at least in that Trump is the least anti-LGBT. Mitt Romney had some miserable things to say about queer people; as did John McCain. George Bush tried to put a marriage ban in the US Constitution, and the less said about Bob Dole the better.
And yet the Log Cabin Republicans seemed to have no problem endorsing all of those candidates. How weird!
Trump, to his credit, has barely said anything about LGBT people, probably because he has no policies of any substance whatsoever on any topic. And on those rare occasions that he has deigned to talk about LGBTs, it’s been pretty bad: he opposes marriage equality, supports a bill that would let businesses turn away the gays, and said he’d rescind Obama’s orders that protect LGBTs from discrimination.
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He’s also surrounded himself with some of the worst homophobes in the country.
When making the case that Donald is pro-LGBT, supporters point out that he’s allowed gay people to work for him and to buy his products, and that his foundation has given money to HIV charities. Really, this is the best you can do? It sounds like the absolute barest minimum one could expect — or maybe even less than the minimum, given that we now know Donald’s “foundation” is just a way for him to take credit for spending other people’s money.
Anyway, despite withholding their endorsement, the collaborators at the LCR still managed to lick his boots: “Should Mr. Trump become our nation’s next President, Log Cabin Republicans welcomes the opportunity to work with his administration to ensure the advances in LGBT freedom we have fought for and secured will continue.”
Oh, go to hell, LCR. You fought for your own subjugation and secured nothing but humiliation for yourselves.
1EqualityUSA
If the Republican party doesn’t evolve, they will go obsolete. Big business doesn’t do business with obsolete.
AtticusBennett
And he’s aligned himself with the virulently-bigoted Pence, a Christofascist moron.
And has brought on his team the most appallingly anti-LGBT people and groups in America.
And this is why gay republicans are the reason the GOP remains to anti-gay: you pathetic wimps have no spines and your grovel for pithy conditional tolerance. Wimps. The entire lot of you. You suck up to your bullies, rather than stand up to them. I’m sorry you broken boys never got over being such disappointments to your sh***y families, but at the end of the day, if you’d just show some self-respect you might actually get respected by others some day.
We queer liberals figured that out ages ago.
gaym50ish
All you have to do is take a look at the Republican platform to convince you that no gay person this year should vote for any Republican.
And Donald Trump’s promise to appoint conservative justices to the Supreme Court is ANYTHING but pro-LGBT. All it will take is one more appointment of someone like the late Antonin Scalia to do lasting damage to the cause of gay equality for decades.
The Republican Party has abandoned its big-business base in order to cater to its religious-right base. Major corporations will no longer support measures that alienate some of their employees and customers.
dwes09
One needs only look at the comments made here by the Log Cabin types to see they do not base their positions on logic, reason, historical fact, sound economics or understanding of the strengths of American society.
Recent research using Functional MRI scans show quite clear differences in the brain activity of progressives and conservatives. The research has been used to successfully predict from further scans what a person’s political leanings are. Progressives tend to use the areas of their brains associated with logic and learning when presented with novel stimuli. Conservatives by contrast tend to show more activity in the brain areas associated with emotion and memory. This strongly suggests that the common observation that the right is much more likely to ignore facts in favor of assumption and belief has a biological base.
But given the plasticity of the brain, this is not necessarily genetically based (it could easily have to so with upbringing), nor is it immutable.
Mo Bro
Still better than the corrupt granny.
Alistair Wiseman
“Has there ever been a more embarrassing time to be a gay Republican?”
Well, has there ever been a more embarrassing time to be a gay Democrat?
America may elect the most corrupt and deceitful politician to our highest office. There have been many corrupt politicians elected to high office, but none to the degree in which Hillary has engaged in BEFORE taking office. A true corrupt, pathological liar.
On November 8th, it won’t be Hillary or Donald that loses – it will be America.
dwes09
@Mo Bro: “Still better than the corrupt granny.”
Thus supporting the theory outlined in my post. Here you see a regressive who accepts on faith the failed myths of the regressives regarding Hillary’s honesty. After forcing the federal government to spend many millions attempting to find some support got their allegations, after spreading rumor after rumor after conspiracy theory, none of which have ever found grounding in fact; a regressive like you STILL clings to lies and myths. The cynical, sociopathic and proven liar Trump repeats his “crooked Hillary” mantra, over and over and the regressives soak it up like a brainless sponge.
1EqualityUSA
The Democrats will get it done. Education is key. Any party that cuts funding to education is suspect.
dwes09
@Alistair Wiseman: “Well, has there ever been a more embarrassing time to be a gay Democrat?”
If one simply looks at reality (read my post regarding the results of FMRI studies on the brains of regressives and progressives…though i guess there is no point in mentioning empirical research to someone like you), this is obviously a great time to be an LGBT democrat! A platform that acknowledges us as fully human, a welcome into the party as equal participants, marriage equality!!! And a promise of more to come.
As for being a gay republican, if an outsider simply reads the republican platform, looks at the record of Pence, reads the actual words of Trump they are going to shake their heads in disbelief and say “do gay republicans possess any critical intellectual skills art all>”
Trump and the right may ACCUSE or IMPLY that Hillary is corrupt and deceitful, but they have been unable to provide any actual support (facts, for example, or results from hearings that uphold allegations). By contrast you can find video footage of Trump knowingly telling lies and contradicting himself, and there is substantive proof regarding the fraud of Trump University (especially his bribe to the Florida Attourney General!) and the improper actions of the Trump Foundation. We will see who actually gets taken to court after the election, and it will not be Hillary, a competent and ethical politician regardless of her other personal missteps.
ChrisK
@Alistair Wiseman: @Mo Bro: Sigh..no matter how many facts are put to your faces it’s always the same broken record of ignorance and lies from you two.
ChrisK
@dwes09: Yep. As they say. You can tell what a republican is up to by listening to whatever they’re currently condemning.
Mack
@Mo Bro: No where corrupted than Donald. The guy is a joke.
joeyty
I’ll still take a chance on Trump, rather than those lying politics-as-usual Clintons. Though I still think Trump’s position on abortion is ridiculous and will probably cost him the election.
jimontp
@Mo Bro: @Mo Bro: Only six words, and yet you managed to be ageist, sexist and dumb enough to be taken in by “Don the Con.” Amazing feat. But not exactly intelligent or speaking to the issue of Trump’s support for discrimination against gays. Are you gay? Name one GOP politician who has don ANYTHING for gay rights!
dwes09
@ChrisK: And if you look at the posts of the log cabinettes it is all belief, allegation, conspiracy and one liners they are repeating from the websites that manipulate them.
A classic example is “mo bro” who responds to a reasoned post (above mine) citing why trump is not at all gay friendly (not to mention arguments of how past republican candidates were not nearly as dangerous) with the meaningless “still better than the corrupt granny”. That is not an intelligent or reasoned response in any way.
jimontp
@Alistair Wiseman: There have been lots of more embarrassing times to be a gay Republican. Bush-Cheney 2004, when they ran explicitly against gay equality. But just look at the GOP and Democratic platforms THIS year. One is consistently pro-equality for LGBT, one is virulently anti-LGBT equality on every issue. Mr “Wiseman,” want to guess which one is which?
jimontp
@joeyty: Well, maybe YOU can take your “chance,” on Trump, but it isn’t Trump’s stupid comment on women being “punished” for abortion that will be his loss. No one with a brain wants Trump’s tiny little vindictive stubby fingers on the nuclear button that would destroy the world. I don’t want to take my chances on an egomaniac. Maybe you would be more comfortable in Russia, where they’ve got their own sociopath you could “take your chance on?”
dwes09
@joeyty: “I’ll still take a chance on Trump, rather than those lying politics-as-usual Clintons. Though I still think Trump’s position on abortion is ridiculous and will probably cost him the election.”
His position on abortion, his well documented lies, his lame racism towards hispanics and balcks, his licking the asses of the worst of the evangelicals and white supremists, his comments about and actions towards women, his behavior in the debates (indicative of someone on the edge of mental illness)…all those things will cost him the election. and when he loses we are likely to see a huge public tantrum with him insisting he won. Just today he was talking about how the conventionally formulated polls, from reputable pollsters, were all “democratic polls” with carefully chosen cohorts, but things like fox and breitbart on-line polls were accurate! That is not the comment of a man with a firm grip.
joeyty
@jimontp: Do you want Hillary’s finger on the button when she’s fuming over Bill chasing fat girls around the Rose Garden ??
joeyty
@jimontp: “Maybe you would be more comfortable in Russia, where they’ve got their own sociopath you could “take your chance on?” Or maybe not. But I’m sure you’d be more comfortable in any country where they have Shariah Law (to bow down for your punishment).
BigWill
@joeyty: Yes, his position on abortion, that’s what’s going to cost him the election.
joeyty
@BigWill: That should be such a decided issue by now, and left alone.
diddle70477
It’s pathetic. You people just don’t get it …. it’s not all about us queers. It’s about maintaining a democratic republic governed by a constitution that limits federal powers.
You put that bitch into office …. she will suck all your individual liberties away. FUCKING WAKE UP!
dwes09
@diddle70477: You put that bitch into office …. she will suck all your individual liberties away.
Proof? Your imagination is not reality. That is something you right wingers never seem to understand. She knows how the government works, better than you do. Trump has no understanding whatsoever about how our government functions. That is obvious if you listen to his words rather than simply trusting your imagination.
The republican party is certainly not the party of individual liberty, unless you believe that individual liberty only refers to gun ownership and the right to discriminate against others for their lack of proper Christianity. Current events and history make that quite clear. You need to wake up, not those who support Hillary.
dwes09
@joeyty: ” Do you want Hillary’s finger on the button when she’s fuming over Bill chasing fat girls around the Rose Garden ??”
Hillary understands nuclear weapons and their danger, and women in power never behave in the ways you and Brian seem to think they do. The notion of the hysterical woman is rather 19th century. It is Trump who apparently has trouble understanding why he would not be able to deploy nuclear weapons on those who offend him. At least that is what the press reported. And i trust the press over your imagination.
joeyty
@dwes09: Yeah, like Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi were such doves.
desertguy
Atta Boy Trump! You have my vote! Anyone who thinks Hillary is good for us is sniffing way too many poppers!
Hillary is nothing more than a self-serving, lying, thieving sorry ass excuse for a politician! Hillary has been a bitter, scorned woman years! Couldn’t even pass the bar exam on the first time. Relished in the fact she got a child rapist off!
Hillary is a disgusting excuse for a human being. Like Obama, when she comes on the tv or the radio, I change the channel!
Waiting for your win, Donald!!!
joeyty
@desertguy: In fairness, a lot of gay guys who are voting for Hillary Clinton don’t really like her, but they think she and the Dems are better for the gay issue than the other side. Which I guess is understandable. (I agree that the Clintons are completely contemptible, though).
Bob LaBlah
The idea of George Bush being anti-gay and meaning it is absurd. Though she was his second choice for the vice-president spot Condoleeza Rice was denied a request to be John McCain’s running mate in 2008 after it was discovered that she was buying a home with a woman whom everyone knew they were more than friends. He and Barbara argued over whether or not she was coming to their daughters wedding. She didnt want her there but George did. He knew damn well what Condoleeza Rice was but was smart enough to look the other way because of her expertise, which over ruled her sexuality. You don’t spend twenty years with some one and not notice certain things.
joeyty
@Bob LaBlah: (Interesting. I honestly had no idea about Condoleeza Rice).
dwes09
@augustus: “Listen to the progressives and their arrogant bullshit…” and blah blah blah.
Got anything substantive to back up that fevered delusional rant? Please provide at least one piece of actual information that indicates Hillary is a “corrupt nasty, repulsive bitch”. Or be the moron you so easily call others. As i said above, research using FMRI results shows people like you prefer myth and belief to facts, and react emotionally rather than intellectually. Seems your rant fully supports that.
There is nothing arrogant about basing opinions on reality, but there is something really, really arrogant about basing opinion on belief and hypothesis and thinking it is supportable. It is going to be president Clinton, so get used to it. And despite the right screaming that we are going to hell in a hand-basket, statistics and real life will continue to show economic recovery and social progress.
@joeyty: I had heard she was a lesbian from friends who live in Palo Alto, but didn’t know whether to believe it or not. Also that she is a concert quality pianist.
dwes09
@joeyty: “Yeah, like Margaret Thatcher and Indira Gandhi were such doves.”
Nowhere do I say she is a dove. Please respond to what is written, not what is in your imagination. It has been reported that Trump, in briefings with his military advisers had a hard time understanding why he could not actually use nuclear weapons (in the middle east for example). That is stunningly stupid. Whereas Clinton both understands the dangers, and has a greater understanding of foreign policy tools. The take away from other female heads of state is that women can make hard, reasoned decisions and are not hysterical weak things as implied by that earlier comment about Hillary’s finger on the button after bill “was in the rose garden…..”
joeyty
@dwes09: :”I had heard she was a lesbian from friends who live in Palo Alto, but didn’t know whether to believe it or not.” Like you have friends in Palo Alto.
dwes09
@desertguy: “Couldn’t even pass the bar exam on the first time. Relished in the fact she got a child rapist off!”
Hardly anyone ever passes the Bar exam on their first try. Not unusual.
As for her “relishing the fact that she got a child rapist off”, that is a lie. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were taken in, and not knowingly passing on the lie. As for refusing to watch her on TV that is called willful ignorance, the refuge of the dull. You swallow bull and pass it on. Try facts and reality some time…maybe after Hillary wins.
joeyty
@dwes09: “The take away from other female heads of state is that women can make hard, reasoned decisions and are not hysterical weak things as implied by that earlier comment about Hillary’s finger on the button after bill “was in the rose garden…..”” I didn’t say that about all women, though. Just about her. Everytime you criticize the Palin woman do you want people to accuse you of some type of misogyny?
joeyty
@dwes09: IF Hillary wins, though (and she probably will) we are going to see more Pulse massacres. Without a doubt. The general public cares more about the abortion issue than gay equality. But I do understand, with Trump’s choice of VP, gay voters have a difficult choice to make.
BigWill
Dear Mo, Alistair and Joey: Ordinarily I’m not one to gloat—it’s unseemly—but because you’ve been so willfully obtuse in your support of Orange Foolius, I’m going to take enormous pleasure in coming back here on Nov. 9 to give a resounding Nelson Muntz finger-pointing “Ha-Ha!” Heck, I might even blow a raspberry.
Hussain-TheCanadian
@BigWill: LMAO!
Mo Bro
@jimontp:
No, Jim, I cannot name a Republican who has gay issues at the top of his agenda . . . but can you name a single Democrat who has America’s best interests in mind?
Mo Bro
@BigWill:
Gloating over enabling a proven liar and criminal to inhabit the White House?
Bra-fucking-vo.
o.codone
@joeyty: You said Trump’s position on abortion is wrong and will cost him the election. No, it’s not, and it won’t. Trumps position on partial birth abortion is righteous. How we got to a place in America where infanticide is accepted and even endorsed by the Democrat candidate for President is truly chilling. Clinton is wrong for supporting a violent, unjustifiable, hideous procedure like this. Those babies scream in pain during their dismemberment. If partial birth abortion is a constitutional right, then the constitution is shit. Look this up gentlemen and then tell me if this is a constitutional right. Gay’s don’t reproduce, so the pro-life argument is not as important. Look it up and tell me you support this cruel procedure.
o.codone
@dwes09: I know I shouldn’t just name call you, however if you believe as you posted above, “statistics and real life will continue to show economic recovery and social progress”, then you’re an idiot. I’ll leave it at that.
joeyty
@BigWill: Why would you gloat? I believe Hillary Clinton as president will be a bad thing for gays. So…you’ll gloat over that ?
joeyty
@o.codone: Well…I AM against abortion, but I’m still pro-choice. (And I know partial birth abortion is awful, but…it’s a complicated situation..)
joeyty
@BigWill: If Trump wins I’ll be relieved, but I’m not going to come to Queerty and “gloat”. I’ll understand some guys are disappointed for genuine reasons. (Maybe I’ll be able to gloat a wee bit after a few years if everything has gone just fine).
DCguy
In other words, they know they will be history if they endorse him. So they are NOT endorsing him, but going on and on about how great and pro-gay he is.
This is Log Cabins typical MO. They lie and ignore facts, to pretend that they aren’t now an anti-lgbt group whose only mandate is to give cover for bigotry.
Trump said that he would appoint judges to erase lgbt civil rights gains and yet Log Cabin is trumpeting how great he is.
Typical, they are so buried in self hate that they will now lie to give cover to any and all bigotry as long as it as an R in front of the name.
Mo Bro
@DCguy:
You throw around the term “self-hate” a lot when it comes to gay conservatives.
Have you ever considered the same “logic” applies to all the straight white men who identify as liberals? That they must be brimming with self-hate since liberals blatantly abhor them? Or is that different?
ingyaom
@augustus: The problem with “Obamacare” is that it was dreamed up at the Heritage Foundation – a Republican think-tank. Remember, before it was called “Obamacare” it was “Romneycare” in Mass.
1EqualityUSA
If one were to spontaneously abort, you would be o.k. with the mother being “a suspect” until she could prove to some all-male, Heritage Foundation-like board of birthing that it wasn’t purposeful, Joeyty? No thanks. Get out of our wombs. If Governor Ultra Sound didn’t learn his lesson, nobody can.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: Wha ? I said I’m pro-choice.
1EqualityUSA
oh, yes, you did say that didn’t you. Sorry, man.
Heywood Jablowme
@1EqualityUSA: That’s true – women have been sent to prison in southern states for exactly the situation you describe.
When Trump was asked the abortion question (by Chris Matthews) and said yes, the woman should be punished, he had probably never given the subject a moment’s thought up til then. So he scrambled very quickly to think what the “official” hard-right looney-tune Republican position might be. And he guessed wrong. Their new bullsh*t position is that the woman is merely a “victim” so she shouldn’t be punished at all. But (a) that’s not even true because women have been imprisoned already for miscarriages, and (b) the “logic” of such a position would mean that after abortion becomes illegal again, women would get no punishment for self-aborting! And you can bet THAT won’t be the Republican response.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: I hate the idea of abortion (even find it aesthetically offensive) but making it illegal WOULD only drive women to wire hangers and quack doctors. I THINK most Americans agree with me.
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: Yes. There’s hope for you yet!
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: And yes, polls show that most Americans agree with you.
joeyty
@Heywood Jablowme: Not for you, though. With your superhero nightlights and embrace of Shariah Law.
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: Sharia law is ridiculous.
My suggestion that you acquire a superhero nightlight was originally a joke (duh!), but the more fuss you make about it, the more I suspect you might indeed benefit from one.
joeyty
@Heywood Jablowme: And I told you that superhero nightlights, though there’s nothing wrong with them, won’t prevent very REAL massacres like at Pulse or the Boston marathon (or potential arson massacres like Neighbors in Seattle). Ignoring these massacres won’t prevent more of them either.
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: The Orlando terrorist was born in the U.S. The male San Bernardino terrorist was born in the U.S. and for awhile he had a Mexican-American convert-to-Islam pal who was helping him. Islam nowadays attracts a lot of shiftless losers so it’s a trickier problem than just shutting down immigration.
The Tsarnaev family was let in as “refugees” by the BUSH 43 administration but who knows why. For one thing they went on vacation every year to their supposedly war-torn hellhole of a homeland. (Vacation from what? – none of them ever had jobs!) I’ll grant you that Trump would probably not let in “refugees” from Chechnya, since it’s still part of Russia and his master Putin wouldn’t approve!
joeyty
@Heywood Jablowme: Yes. I know homegrown Muslims are as bad as foreign ones. But….. NOW you’re trying to distance yourself from your Islamophile stance?
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: When did I ever have an “Islamophile stance”? Citation please. I know I’ve criticized rabid Islamophobes (from Trump on down), and I know I criticized YOUR total lack of math skills (3 million refugees? 300,000 refugees? – whatever, right?), but that doesn’t = “Islamophile.” Like Bill Maher, I think Islam is a stupid religion.
joeyty
@Heywood Jablowme: Well…….are you criticizing Trump FOR his Islamophobia or….is it just that he’s someone you hate who is also an Islamophobe but the Islamophobia is beside the point ?
Heywood Jablowme
@joeyty: The short answer is it’s a mistake to antagonize and alienate mainstream Muslims and thereby radicalize them. ISIS is counting on exactly that, and ISIS wants Trump to win. In case you haven’t heard!
The U.S. generally does a good job of assimilating immigrants, so I think we shouldn’t start making European-style mistakes.
For me personally, Trump’s Islamophobia is hardly “beside the point” although not at the top of my list I guess. Unless he wins and it becomes a REAL crisis!
Since this is already on p. 3, let’s discuss this more later in coming months on other threads?
1EqualityUSA
Muslim sit-com’s stat…
joeyty
@Heywood Jablowme: I disagree. I think the U.S. will have exactly the same problems as Europe has, especially the UK, the more mainstream Muslims we allow. “ISIS is the snake, moderate Islam is the grass.” More Islam=Gay Death. How many more attempts on gay American lives from Muslims (a small group in the U.S.) will it take for you to admit that maybe it’s not a good idea to admit any more? Probably never, because in the long run too many gay men get a sexual arousal at the thought of being punished and having to submit to Allah, now that western society is too gay-accepting. It’s taken away all the edgy victimhood so many gay men feel a need for.
1EqualityUSA
joeyty, cut back on the sugar.
joeyty
@1EqualityUSA: I’d still say the same thing. I’d just say it more slowly.
1EqualityUSA
cute