At 8:16 morning, McDonald’s corporate Twitter account posted the following politically-charged tweet:
The tweet, which anyone with even the most basic critical thinking skills could tell was a hack, remained on the page for about 20 minutes before it was deleted, but not before Trump supporters saw it and FREAKED OUT.
Immediately, there was a call to #BoycottMcDonalds…
Call @McDonaldsCorp and complain! 1-800-244-6227 #boycottmcdonalds pic.twitter.com/PSlAjBmGN7
— msdocmartins (@msdocmartins) March 16, 2017
Hey @McDonaldsCorp
YOU can't just undo a tweet!!!
Since you don't support America, Americans will not support YOU!!! #BoycottMcDonalds pic.twitter.com/dOF6zbJdTA— Deborah Brewer (@Debbie92083) March 16, 2017
@TheWrap @greta McDONALDS HAD BETTER RETRACT THAT DISGUSTING TWEET. OR THEIR STOCK IS GOING TO PLUMMET, JUST LIKE THEIR HAMBURGER SALES!!!
— HARRY L. LAMBETH, JR (@LambethJr) March 16, 2017
F?CK McDONALDS
They need to FIRE someone
And APOLOGIZE
Until then
? #BoycottMcDonaldspic.twitter.com/dW7wLVQeNI#TrumpTrain #Trump #MAGA
— Boca Vista (@bocavista2016) March 16, 2017
I guess McDonalds is ok with loosing half it customers! @McDonaldsCorp #BoycottMcDonalds pic.twitter.com/en0DeOqTSX
— Deplorable EW?? (@EmersonWilliam8) March 16, 2017
After the fast food chain apologized for the tweet and explained that its account had been hacked, Trump supporters refused to believe it or accept the apology…
How about we take this to the next level?
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@McDonalds account hacked? Yeah right!! pic.twitter.com/etBQAhXTJR
— Zealot Wasp (@WaspZealot) March 16, 2017
@FoxNews @McDonalds No it wasn't. Some liberal college intern sent that out. Time to boycott these fucks
— PZ (@MyCrazyLiberals) March 16, 2017
Hey @McDonaldsCorp, This IS NOT An Acceptable Apology For Posting My POTUS Is A "Disgusting Excuse Of A President"?#BoycottMcDonalds#MAGA pic.twitter.com/hQdJmaRc1f
— Deplorable?R?z?rbak (@MediaJuggernaut) March 16, 2017
@McDonaldsCorp @McDonalds you better have an answer for this @McDonalds this is the height of ignorance and immaturity!
— ??Bonnie?? (@BonBee81) March 16, 2017
@FoxNews @McDonalds I'm pretty sure it was just left open at the office and some uninformed jackass intern sent it out. Hardly a hack.
— Neal Tomlinson (@NealBTomlinson) March 16, 2017
All this ridiculousness almost makes us want to eat at McDonald’s. Almost.
Well done, McDonald’s hacker.
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mhoffman953
So someone “hacked” a multi-billion dollar company’s Twitter account and had access to the Twitter account for at least 20 minutes and all they posted was 1 anti-Trump tweet? How are we certain that it wasn’t a rogue employee?
When someone gets hacked on Twitter, typically the hacker just keeps posting nonsense until they get caught and not just one tweet.
Giancarlo85
Hey Trump drumbeater, one tweet is all that is required. Upset people are attacking your dear clown of a leader now? After the beating your kind got in the Dutch election, you don’t get a hint.
Juanjo
It obviously only took one tweet to trigger you and the rest of the trumpanzees.
1EqualityUSA
“Trumpanzees” Jaunjo, thank you.
Prax07
Hah…nice.
Heywood Jablowme
Some fries and a Filet O’Fish (for Lent of course, lol) sounds pretty good right now.
But whoever did this should have added that Ronald McDonald has better hair than President Shortfingers does.
Giancarlo85
The tweet is spot on. Trump lost the popular vote bigly and the right wing populist nonsense is coming to a grinding halt. Holland is just the beginning. The left won big in Holland.
Trump is a disaster and isn’t a real President. He is a phony and a fraud.
natekerchel
Spot on Giancarlo! Was a good night for us with the news coming from Hawaii and the Netherlands. The usurper must be hopping mad at that judge. Next month France and September Germany. The fight against the right has begun.
Giancarlo85
Nate, turnout in Holland was 81% of all voters. That’s what happens when people are allowed to vote… Unlike in America.
The three center left and left parties won big in Holland and will force Rutte to govern more from the center at the very least. He is center right. By American standards, closer to a Democrat maybe.
natekerchel
Another conspiracy mhoffman? Don’t you get tired of the same old paranoia? One of your right wing friends tweeted that the hacker does not ‘support America’ – the implication being that the usurper in the White House is America. He is far from representing America – 25.6% of the possible electoral vote is not ‘America’ or anywhere near it. If the ‘outraged’ supporter had tweeted ‘corrupt, greedy selfish, racist, homiphobic, sexist America’ that would be a spot on description of the illegitimate ‘President’. If you want to know how I got the 25.6% – turnout was 57% – he got 46% of that – not an ‘alternative fact’.
Giancarlo85
I do like what Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte said about Geert Wildhair. 10,000 angry tweets and no solutions lol.
Sound familiar?
With this hack, only one tweet is required. Mhoffman follows his leader. One is never enough. Ten isn’t either lol.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel What conspiracy theory? I merely pointed out that we don’t know for sure who posted the tweet whether it was a “hacker” or a McDonald’s employee / intern. You seem to be peddling conspiracy theories by constantly called President Trump a “usurper”. Are you aware of the definition of that word? Usurper is someone who comes to power by illegal force. What conspiracy are you believing that says Trump became President illegally and by force? You then go on to say he’s illegitimate, how so?
Giancarlo85
He cheated his way in and had extensive connections with the Russians. Also the business deal in Azerbaijan may wind up with him being impeached and indicted. Wait and see. Hoffman, you are a perpetual Trump brownnoser. It is quite nauseating. Trump is not viewed as legitimate and took power because of a grossly outdated slavery era system, known as the electoral college.
Giancarlo85
BTW, his approval ratings are in the toilet. Can it get anymore obvious? Two months in and already a mountain load of impeachable and potentially illegal offenses… A complete failure of a Presidency. Someone like you thrives off lies and distractions, because of your limited attention span, Hoffman.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 How specifically did he cheat? You’re making a bold claim without any proof, sounds like you’re the one thriving on lies. I’d love to hear how you allege he cheated to win the election.
Giancarlo85
False news, hackable machines, stupid voters like you, FBI gift on the fake email issue… I can keep going. I know you are a simpleton who believes fake news though.
niles
Thank you McDonalds
Mo Bro
Another rabid anti-Trumper exposes their embarrassing lack of maturity for all the world to behold.
Giancarlo85
Err wrong. The only immature types out there are proTrump people like yourself. Most anti-Trump and anti-populist people are educated and informed. Like the Dutch last night.
Giancarlo85
By the way, if you want immaturity, look at your dear leader with his tiny toddler hands. He can’t even hold a glass with one hand.
Mark Rutte – 10,000 angry tweets and no solutions. Sounds like Trump.
Juanjo
MoBro – example of another trumpanzee who is easily triggered. Of course it is easier for him to get all incensed about this non-event as he cannot really defend the Trump supporting senator in Oklahoma who did the perp walk this morning.
Hussain-TheCanadian
Hey Mo Bro, hows the “trumpCare” fiasco coming along?
Mo Bro
@Hussain-TheCanadian:
The AHCA?
It’s going great.
Obama’s fascists no longer can force us to buy a product we don’t need or want.
Looking forward to my premiums and deductibles going way down as a result, thanks to our new president who has actually made an effort to lead.
Thanks for asking.
Giancarlo85
You are a fool,Mobro. That health care bill is a disaster. If you are older, your premiums are projected to skyrocket. In some cases by 200%. This loser hasn’t made any effort to lead and the disastrous ACHA will lead to 20+ million uninsured in the next decade. It isn’t Trumps bill either you putz.
Trump is a disaster and doesn’t know how to lead. He has big failing marks in an administration already marked by failures. But a delusional liar like you will think he is a success lmao. Wake up kid, he hasn’t done anything and ACA isn’t going anywhere. ACHA is dead in the water.
KaiserVonScheiss
If a hacker wanted to cause such a stir, tweeting only once makes it more believable that it came from a rogue employee.
If it were a rogue employee, that person would obviously be fired. Going after a sitting president when you are a fast food joint would be a terrible business decision.
Giancarlo85
Oh puh-lease, Alistair. One tweet did its job and got more than enough attention. The hacker probably realized that only one tweet was needed. Pathetic right wingers.
natekerchel
You say terrible business decision – not in this case. Millions of people approve that tweet – whoever is responsible. Oh and I wish people stopped saying ‘rogue employee’ – it should be ‘brave hero employee’.
KaiserVonScheiss
@Giancarlo85
You have the reading comprehension of a wombat.
Heywood Jablowme
If Trump fans boycott McDonald’s AND “Budwiser” [sic], at least they’ll lose a lot of weight. That’s about 80% of their calorie intake right there. (Most of the other 20% being Chik-Fil-A, KFC, Burger King, Hot Pockets, and Kraft Mac & Cheese.)
natekerchel
Do you never learn mhofffman? You ask why I say he is illegitimate – simple – he LOST the vote. And don’t bother with your corrupt electoral college nonsense. Democracy was overturned by that body. That makes it corrupt and anti democratic. As for cheating – ask Putin to fill you in on that. By the way – I totally understand the meaning off the word ‘usurper’ – and it fits him perfectly . He and his cohorts usurped the democratic process to take power – despite the clear will of the electorate. He IS illegitimate. Have you ever studied political theory mhoffman? If not – have a go.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel Based on your assumption that because someone loses the popular vote (even though that’s not how the election is decided), they are illegitimate. Does that mean Obama was an illegitimate candidate? I will aware you that Obama lost the popular vote in the Democratic primaries to Hillary Clinton BUT he won because of super delegates. If we follow your logic, then Obama’s win over Hillary Clinton in 2008 was “anti-democratic” as you put it.
And as for cheating, I’m asking you because you made the claim. You say to “ask Putin”, what specifically did Putin do to ensure Trump won? Did he stuff ballot boxes? Did he rig the voting machines? If you’re the one making a claim, then back it up with evidence. You said in a previous comment that you always back your claims up with evidence but you haven’t with your claim that Putin helped him win.
Trump and Hillary Clinton both knew the rules going into the election as to how a winner is decided. It is decided via the electoral college. You can’t claim that because someone won based on the rules of the event that their win is illegitimate due to some non-deciding factor. That would be like saying you should win the game of chess because you have more pieces on the board even though your opponent just took your King or that you should win a game of blackjack because you have more cards. If the rules were changed, the candidates would’ve campaigned differently and that would’ve changed the popular vote count.
natekerchel
Do you ever read anything mhoffman – other than right wing propaganda that is? Did you fail to understand several reports from the intelligence communities and senate committees specifically saying that Russia interfered in the election to the benefit of the usurper? Election rigging is very sophisticated these days – its not just about ‘stuffing ballot boxes’ – its about spreading ‘fake’ news and stories through people like you and other outlets. It is about distorting and attacking truth – much like you do on here. If you care to read the reports from the intelligence communities you will find the evidence. The usurper tried to deny it like you as well – now he is quiet on it – much like his ‘Obama wiretapped me’ outright lies recently. Did you also fail to take note of the illegal meetings between minions of the usurper and Russian officials before the election?
As for your claims about Obama/Clinton – as I keep pointing out to you – there is not point in trying to claim it is ok to do something wrong because someone else did. Unlike you trump lovers – I am not a hypocrite. I apply the same standards to those I support as I do to those I oppose. But again – the issue was about the legitimacy of the usurper – not about something that happened a decade ago. Again with the deflection – does not work with me. Just because Obama or Clinton don’t publicly call him illegitimate does not mean (a) that they don’t think it privately and (b) that I cannot say it publicly.
You have a habit of trying to get people bogged down in pointless details mhoffman – but I am prepared to answer any and all of your points. We have been silent long enough and allowed you people to dominate, control and bully us into submission. The outrage over the clear usurpation of the democratic will has unleashed a new approach – fight fire with fire. If the best justification you can come up with for ignoring a democratic vote is an anachronistic corrupt anti-democratic electoral college then you are in bad shape my friend.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel You did a lot of talking without providing the evidence as to how Russian helped Trump win. Yes, the intelligence community says that Russian agents hacked into the DNC’s emails. Are you alleging that the leaked emails helped Trump? If so, which specific emails? Lots of the emails were just from interns in the democratic party setting up appointments. You typed out 3 paragraphs of conjecture without telling me and anyone reading this how Russia specifically helped Trump win the election, instead you took the typical liberal cop out by saying, “look it up yourself”.
I did look it up and seen that the FBI found there are no links between the Russian government and Donald Trump: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html?_r=0
You stated that Russia spread fake news, what fake news did they spread? If I remember correctly, every news network seemed to favor Hillary Clinton in their coverage of her and none of them – besides FOX news – attacked her.
So I’m still waiting to hear your evidence that shows Russia helped Trump win. Did Russians force American citizens to vote a certain way?
natekerchel
In short yes it did. A week before he election the FBI announced that it was restarting an investigation into Clinton’s email account based on evidence leaked to them. Who leaked it – the Russians. This is an extract from a speech by the NSA director –
In response to a question, Michael S. Rogers, a Naval officer and NSA director since 2014, said on stage at a Wall Street Journal conference that Wikileaks was furthering a nation-state’s goals by publishing hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Clinton’s presidential campaign weeks ahead of the election. “There shouldn’t be any doubt in anybody’s minds, this was not something that was done casually, this was not something that was done by chance, this was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily. This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt to achieve a specific effect,” he said.
Want to argue with him? I could furnish you with a lot more – but to be honest you will still deny reality even when it stares you in the face. You are as deluded as he usurper you support. And I say that in a kind caring way mhoffman – I am not a Republican after all.
natekerchel
forgot to add from a previous thing you wrote mhoffman – I don’t ‘assume’ a person lost because they got the fewer votes. I KNOW they lost because they got the fewer votes. Millions of voters decided Clinton should be he President – a few hundred elitist mainly men decided they knew better than the democratic result. No one forced them to vote for the usurper – they chose . They usurped the express will of the electorate. It is the fact that they chose the usurper that makes it undemocratic and a usurpation of democracy. You really need to do a bit more studying of political theory and philosophy mhoffman not to mention the actual mechanics of the electoral college.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel You said, “A week before he election the FBI announced that it was restarting an investigation into Clinton’s email account based on evidence leaked to them. Who leaked it – the Russians”, I don’t think you actually watch the news to pay attention to it if you think the FBI relaunch of the Clinton email investigation was because of the Russians. The FBI relaunched the Hillary Clinton email investigation because Anthony Weiner’s laptop had 650,000 emails on it, some of which were Clinton related emails. If you are unaware, Anthony Weiner is the husband of Clinton’s top aide, Huma Abedin, and her husband shared a laptop with her where she did work related to Hillary’s time as Secretary of State. The NYPD had his laptop because he was under investigation for having a sexual chat with a minor, when the NYPD found the emails, they turned the laptop over to the FBI. That investigation wasn’t because of Russians LOL. Here is the link to the story: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-finds-emails-related-to-hillary-clintons-state-department-tenure/
Your quote from the NSA director is in regards to the Wikileaks emails of the DNC which leaked in July. If you are alleging that those emails cost Hillary Clinton the election, I’d like to know which email specifically. If you read those emails, there isn’t anything nefarious within them. Plus, those emails leaked right before the Democratic National Convention. If you looked at Hillary Clinton’s poll numbers after they leaked, her poll numbers actually skyrocketed upwards and if the election was held then, she probably would’ve won. If we are to assume that Russia gave those emails to Wikileaks, I don’t see what was so bad in them that you allege was the smoking gun to cost Hillary the election when those emails came out in the end of July.
Giancarlo85
Mhoffman, you don’t even read the articles you post. You are a prolific liar and buffoon. But it isn’t about Hillary anymore. It is about the failure that sits in the White House that is putting this nation at risk.
And big words from a clown. You don’t seem to care when Trump uses a laptop on WiFi to conduct official business in Florida (by the way we are paying millions for each trip he takes). And you don’t care Trump is using a five year old Galaxy S3.
You truly are a loser.
Giancarlo85
By the way, fake news man… If you really want to talk about Weiner’s laptop, realize all of the emails were duplicates… In their entirety. There wasn’t anything there. Stupid man you are, but then again stupid people like you supported trump.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 I am fully aware the Weiner’s laptop contained duplicate emails and if you look at my prior comments I’ve said numerous time that there was never anything nefarious in the emails. I merely mentioned that incident because your friend natekerchel claimed the FBI got those 650,000 emails because of “Russians” when in fact it was because of the sexual deviance of Anthony Weiner. You have to admit natekerchel was wrong in that claim, right?
Plus the fact that you bring up that the emails were duplicates just further backs up my claim that the emails had no negative impact on Hillary Clinton. You alleged in a prior comment that Trump won by cheating by citing hackable machines. The voting machines are not hackable, even Obama has stated this. Are you saying that Obama was lying when he said that?
I merely stated that there is no proof of any cheating in the election. You can continue to peddle those conspiracy theories but have yet to provide any evidence of cheating. Instead you’ve lowered yourself to calling people stupid instead of backing up your claims with facts.
Giancarlo85
You are not even a good liar and you’re still lying. The voting machines in question were indeed hacked and infected with malware. Those same voting machines are banned in other states like California and not even allowed to be used in European countries. This is why a country like Holland was capable in having a fair and free election, unlike the United States.
Nate wasn’t wrong in any sense by the way. He’s been correct the entire time. You’re just a liar.
There was plenty of cheating, including people being pushed off voting rolls arbitrarily. Many were not allowed to vote, and even then republicans still lost the popular vote by three million. You’re a liar and delusional fool.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 You and natekerchel are telling 2 different stories now. Natekerchel agrees that voting machines cannot be hacked. Obama even said they cannot be hacked. What is your source for the information that you allege the machines were definitely hacked? Please provide a source from a reputable news organization
GayEGO
Trump started this whole mess in the GOP primaries so this is no surprise. Stephen Colbert says it best – Trump said: I inherited a mess! Colbert said: No, you inherited a fortune, we elected a mess!
mhoffman953
Oh yeah, it’s a real fortune when the Labor Force Participation rate is down in the low 60% range (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CIVPART) and the number of people on Food Stamps is higher than ever before in history (https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/TRP6001A027NBEA) and the real GDP growth rate hasn’t cracked 3% since 2005 (http://www.multpl.com/us-real-gdp-growth-rate/table/by-year) and the national debt has ballooned to unseen levels alongside a nationwide deficit
Giancarlo85
Steady economic growth is better than fake economic growth, like what was experienced in 2005. What happened three years after 2005? Think about it, trump supporter.
By the way, stay away from economics. trump supporters are profoundly ignorant of that. The labor participation rate went down because of an aging population and retirement of babyboomers (record number).
Oh and if you are whining about the debt, wait until it increases by $7 trillion because of Trump and his tax cuts for the rich. By the way, clown… The country is near full employment when you look at actual figures.
Giancarlo85
By the way, more people are on food stamps because of republicans like Trump. Think about it for a second please. If you can when you are not distorting facts.
natekerchel
Never give up even in the face of reality is that it mhoffman? It was not any individual email that caused the Clinton campaign to falter – it was the fact that the FBI reopened their investigation – even though there was nothing to find. How can you argue with the intelligence chief who says that the Russians leaked mails with the intention of affecting the election result? That is him saying it – not me. Do you have any sense of reality in your life at all? Or do you just like arguing even when you know you are not clever enough or informed enough to win that argument? I notice you never tried to defend the illegal meetings between people representing the usurper and Russians representing the dictator Putin. I don’t like being abusive or nasty my friend – but you seem to enjoy pushing people into it. A deep character flaw – akin to masochism of a non sexual kind. You are never going to convince the vast majority of people on this site that the usurper is a decent man – he is not. You seem to forget that lgbt have been victims of the Republican and Christian right wing for too long. You are wasting your time with all your distortions and lies and child-like belief in the monster in the Oval Office.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 How am I distorting facts by pointing out more people are on Food Stamps then ever before? Are you alleging that isn’t true? Also, how is it the fault of Republicans that people are on Food Stamps? If I remember correctly, it’s Republicans who constantly want to cut these programs and not expand them. If the economy was prospering, then people regardless of their race, sexual orientation, party affiliation, or gender wouldn’t need to have to opt into government welfare to stay afloat. Just look at the end of the 90s during the dot com boom, participants on Food Stamps began declining because the economy was experiencing a boom.
Giancarlo85
The economy is and has been expering a long boom. Please stop talking about economics. Trump supporters like yourself are too stupid to even understand basic concepts. The reason why food stamp participation declined in the 1990s was because of republicans cutting the programs at that time and having a filibuster proof majority.
You are a pathetic liar and a fool. If you really cared about the economy, you wouldn’t be supporting republicans who have left this country in recessions. Look at the last three or four Republican presidencies and get back to me.
Trump is a complete disaster and you are a distracted simpleton. Trump is going to crash the economy with another $7 trillion in debt because of his illogical tax cuts. He is going to cut vital services, like the EPA. You will probably think that is a good thing.. Until you get cancer from heavy metal poisoning in your water supply since some factory thought it was fine to dump toxic waste in the water supply. Look up West Virginia. What a messed up state. Voting Republican in the Presidential election… same guys who caused a major spill in the state that poisoned water supplies.
So yes, Obama presided over the longest period of economic expansion since the 50s. You on the other hand are a liar.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 You really said, “So yes, Obama presided over the longest period of economic expansion since the 50s. You on the other hand are a liar.” HAHAHAHAHAH
How do you explain these numbers from the US Department of Commerce: https://hudson.org/research/12714-economic-growth-by-president
Here is the complete list of average annual real GDP growth by postwar president (in descending order):
Johnson (1964-68), 5.3%
Kennedy (1961-63), 4.3%
Clinton (1993-2000), 3.9%
Reagan (1981-88), 3.5%
Carter (1977-80), 3.3%
Eisenhower (1953-60), 3.0%
(Post-WWII average: 2.9%)
Nixon (1969-74), 2.8%
Ford (1975-76), 2.6%
G. H. W. Bush (1989-92), 2.3%
G. W. Bush (2001-08), 2.1%
Truman (1946-52), 1.7%
Obama (2009-15), 1.5%
I just called you out on a lie with facts. You can keep saying I’m a liar but I’m the only one linking to actual statistics
Giancarlo85
Those figures are from a right wing spin site and are incorrect. Obama has overseen the longest period of job growth since the 1950s, and we are near full employment. In addition, GDP growth under Obama has been closer to 3% on average. Try again.
You are a lying sack of sh**.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 The figures I cited come from the US Department of Commerce. When you say, “GDP growth under Obama has been closer to 3% on average”, where are you getting those averages for real GDP?
Even another website specifically listed the real GDP numbers by year. You can do the math and average them out yourself.
2009 -2.8%
2010 2.5%
2011 1.6%
2012 2.2%
2013 1.7%
2014 2.4%
2015 2.6% (this is where my prior article cuts off because of the date it was posted)
2016 1.6%
Average Real GDP Growth under Obama = 1.475%
If I’m lying, show everyone on here and post numbers to dispute the Real GDP figures
Giancarlo85
This Hoffman fool is clearly drinking too much koolaid. He attempts to post links he doesn’t even read. Stupid ignorant Trump supporter.
Giancarlo85
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal
Bombshell…
Trump did business with the Mammadovs. Let’s see what Hoffman says about this. The Mammadovs are linked to narco trafficking and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
I brought up this story before. Trump needs to be impeached and prosecuted.
Giancarlo85
Oh and that hotel was a money laundering front. Who builds a five star hotel in a country with minimal tourism? And who builds it in the worse part of Baku where it is virtually inaccessible. It was never finished. Money laundering anyone? RICO and FCPA charges coming up…
natekerchel
The clock is ticking Gian – we have to believe that we will get there and return the USA to normality and reality again. Freedom from the Mad Hatter and his Tea Party.!
Giancarlo85
https://www.yahoo.com/news/special-report-russian-elite-invested-nearly-100-million-180436652.html
Second bombshell report that hit mainstream news. Many Trump properties are owned by Russian oligarchs in the range of nearly $100 million, and some of those Russians are suspected of being linked to organized crime.
More and more will continue to filter out. I suspect the Azerbaijan connection will get more attention too shortly.
What now hoffyhoff?
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 Uh oh! This just in, rich people from other countries buy property in luxury apartment buildings!! Wealthy foreign nationals buy up real estate within the US all the time. Just look at the real estate market in New York City. Wealthy Russian, Chinese, Japanese, German, Australian, Saudi, and Indian individuals buy up penthouses in luxury high rises all over the city, some paying hundreds of millions of dollars just for one penthouse. Uber rich Chinese individuals bought the Waldorf Astoria a few years ago, which is a Hilton affiliated hotel. Would you allege the Hilton family is guilty of a crime because the super rich individuals who stay at their properties come from other countries and may have ties to white-collar crimes?
You seem to be hypocritical in this situation. I hate to mention the Clintons as an example to prove this because if I do you’ll clamor on about me harping on them, yet it’s only an example to point out someone on the opposite side of the political spectrum which you give a pass to while acting that there is criminal activity on the other side of the aisle.
Clinton’s former campaign manager and adviser to Obama, John Podesta has ties to Russian banks and oligarchs. His lobbyist organization called the Podesta Group was paid $170,000 to represent Sberbank, Russia’s largest bank while he was an employee of the Clinton campaign. Tony Podesta even failed to complete official papers to register as a foreign agent. This money was funneled through the Podesta Group, a group which he and Tony run. The Podesta group also accepts money from Qatar which has ties to ISIS as well as money from Saudi Arabia. Is any of this illegal? No. Does it provide bad optics? Maybe. I’m not condemning them, I’m merely pointing out that none of this is a crime.
natekerchel
When you have ties to criminals and drug pushers and you claim to be President of the USA then yes that is something to worry about mhoffman. My parents bought a property in the Bahamas – we managed to avoid dealing with criminals though. The issue is not buying or selling properties in the USA or elsewhere – the issue is about the usurper’s connections to very bad men and the Russian government. This is what happens when there is no clear separation of interests. The usurper claims that there is no conflict of interest but we know that is bull – the whole debacle over promoting his daughter’s business is evidence of that. How much more is going on that we have not yet found out? This has to be the the shadiest ‘administration’ since Harding in the early 1920’s. He escaped impeachment by dying in office though, the corruption only coming to light after his death. On this occasion the evidence is already seeping through. Not yet enough to impeach though. Give it a bit more time. In the meantime the usurper will continue to try and discredit the media in an effort to convince the public that any exposure of his crimes is ‘fake’.
John Podesta is not in or seeking high office. If he or his company committed any crime then he and they should be put on trial. This is still not the same as a sitting ‘president’ being personally linked to organised crime. Again your irrelevant distractions dont work mhoffman.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel But my example is the same. John Podesta was one of Obama’s top advisers during his second term and helped influence Obama’s policies. Therefore, one could make the case that Obama has ties to John Podesta and his network of associates. But like I said, as in this case and in Trump’s case, neither individual has committed a crime. I could use your own words and state the same, that if Trump committed a crime then he should face a trial but no crime has been committed. Just because someone buys a penthouse suite for hundreds of millions (much like every other foreign national in the luxury real estate market) it isn’t indicative that you have direct, material ties to that person.
If you want, we could go down the list of everyone Obama has ties to and point toward his associates ties to money laundering. Obama has ties to Rod Blagojevich (sentenced to 14 years for corruption), Tony Rezko (10 year jail sentence for corruption and political kickbacks), Courtney Dupree (hosted a dinner party in Obama’s apartment and was convicted of bank fraud), the company Solyndra (received taxpayer backed loans from the Obama administration and was raided by the FBI and claimed bankruptcy over misappropriation of funds. Solyndra was legally represented by the wife of Steve Spinner, an Obama campaign donor who advised Obama to approve loans for Solyndra), John Podesta (worked as a foreign agent for a Russian bank and owned 75,000 shares of a Putin connected energy company), and the list goes on.
Am I saying Obama is guilty of the crimes those people closely tied to him committed? No.
Just because you can make a connection that such-and-such person lived in a Trump hotel / apartment building or is a member of one of Trump’s golf courses, it doesn’t mean President Trump is an accomplice in that person’s personal business. Unless you can point to where President Trump specifically himself committed a crime, you don’t have much of an argument.
Giancarlo85
Hoffman is a lying screwball that can’t stay on topic and is now making things up about Obama. You are demented. Plain and simple.
Giancarlo85
Hoffman your argument about Obama is a pile of debunked garbage that is not deserving of even a reply. Do you have anything that isn’t from a right wing fake news website?
How am I hypocritical? Trump has ties to organized crime and an oligarch in Azerbaijan that is involved in narco trafficking and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.
You bring up distractions and debunked arguments because you are intellectually lacking and defective. Learn how to stay on topic. I know it is difficult for a screwball like you, but we aren’t discussing the Clinton’s or Obamas, which you have nothing but lies.
By the way, I know what you are saying is a complete lie because Republicans have spent tens of millions of taxpayer money investigating both families and have come up with absolutely nothing.
Giancarlo85
Oh and Obama doesn’t have ties to money laundering. you have any other stupid lies and distractions? My god… You are a complete idiot. Just like Donald Trump.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 The facts about the people with ties to Obama are true. You can Google the names of the people I mentioned and see that those individuals are in jail for the crimes they committed. If I’m lying about one of those individuals please prove me wrong and name the person who I’m wrong about.
Then you state, “we aren’t discussing the Clinton’s or Obamas, which you have nothing but lies” which I am fully aware of but my intention is to show you an example of the people who you support also having questionable ties to criminality. Then you proceed to say everything I said were lies but I actually said that just because someone knows these corrupt figures, it doesn’t make them guilty and stated Obama isn’t guilty of what his associates have done, yet you still call me a liar LOL. You’re so partisan that you can’t even agree with the parts where I’m giving facts over opinion.
You said that Obama doesn’t have ties to money laundering when in fact I stated that Obama’s friends have ties to money laundering in their own lives, not related to him personally. You cite an “oligarch in Azerbaijan that is involved in narco trafficking and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard”, so are you saying Trump has direct ties to where he was personally trafficking drugs and has direct ties to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard? The oligarch you mention supports the Islamic state and the Iranian Revolutionary Guard. Does that mean you are alleging President Trump supports the radical Islamic state? I thought the left’s argument was that he hates Muslims? Now you allege he has a direct tie to it?
The left’s new buzzword seems to be “oligarch”. Tell me what law Trump broke and how. But I guess you’ll do the typical leftist argument and say, “I shouldn’t have to explain it to you, look it up”. I did look into the matter and I see tons of hotels exist in Azerbaijan including a Hyatt Regency, Sheraton, Staybridge, Hilton and others.
Think of this for a second without partisan opinion. During the 2016 Presidential campaign, many people wanted Hillary Clinton to win no matter what costs. Don’t you think that if any of the influential people which she is connected to knew Donald Trump committed a crime that they would’ve found a way to involve the FBI and Interpol to charge him so that he’d drop out of the race? They practically threw everything else they could at him, why not this?
Giancarlo85
The stories about the Obamas are true? ARe you this dense? According to what site? Some right wing fake news site you rely on? No, they aren’t true. In fact many of the claims you have posted have been long debunked. Obama has been a scandal free administration, and so far two months in Trump has had several scandals that led to two officials resigning and one recusing himself from an active investigation.
Somebody like you isn’t interested in facts. You are interested in peddling dogma and lies that your kind has peddled for the past decade. You have no proof for anything you say, and you are pushing the same debunked lies and falsehoods that have been heard a million times.
Trump has direct ties to Ziya Mammadov and his brother. This is now proven fact. They did direct business together. They were drawing up plans together for that hotel. Some investigative journalism did work that Congress refuses to do (and Congress is controlled by republicans through gerrymandering).
Your little vicious lies against the left have gone on long enough. Many on the left are only interested in the facts. Not the fake news and lies you love, hoffyboy. Trump has had long had ties to Islamic states, including Saudi Arabia. Funny how Saudi Arabia didn’t make it to his ban list. And yes, everything in that article is very true. Trump loves Muslims with money, and he loves it even more when they give money to him. This is why he is such a raving hypocrite. He’ll attack refugees, but he’ll never attack the people he’s doing business with. This is why this man is so corrupt and dangerous.
This isn’t a left wing attack. This is a criticism based on facts. I am sorry, but I will not view your man with any sort of respect. And I will certainly not follow him around like a cult figure the way you do. You feel this urge to defend Trump in everything he does, and you proceed to throw out distractions and lies. I am not interested in lies or dealing with a lying imbecile like you.
Giancarlo85
And it is even more apparent you didn’t read the article about what the hotel really was and where it was located. It was in the worst part of Baku. Who would build a five star hotel there? And it was never finished. It was a big project by the Mammadov’s and Trump. This proves a direct business relationship between the two. You can’t even try to dispute that.
“Don’t you think that if any of the influential people which she is connected to knew Donald Trump committed a crime that they would’ve found a way to involve the FBI and Interpol to charge him so that he’d drop out of the race? They practically threw everything else they could at him, why not this?”
Certain facts came out after the election as an investigation takes time to conclude. Trump is going to be impeached either way, and I suppose there will be more damage done to the republican party that way. They threw the facts at Trump, but again easily manipulated liars like yourself voted for Trump because you felt like Trump connected with you. You are a deluded clown.
Giancarlo85
Trump did direct business with the Mammadov oligarchs. This isn’t a one time connection. He made millions with them on a fake hotel tied to money laundering. Choke on that you naive tool.
Giancarlo85
Oh and I think the “non president” Trump did violate the FCPA. In other words the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. He engaged directly in money laundering and made millions off it. Prove me wrong! The articles I have posted prove it.
mhoffman953
I read the FCPA and nothing in there deals with Trump’s actions: https://www.sec.gov/spotlight/fcpa/fcpa-anti-bribery.pdf
If he did in fact break the law from this construction project which began in 2008, why hasn’t the SEC, FBI, Interpol, or the DOJ (which was under the Obama administration) charged him with a crime?
Giancarlo85
They are in the process of building a case against him. This information about his dealings came out after the Obama administration and Jeff Sessions certainly won’t let the DOJ prosecute him. Either way there are at least four active investigations into Trump as we speak. These are little facts you will have to deal with as a Trump supporter. You will simply go down with one of the most corrupt failures of President in modern history.
natekerchel
You are persistent I will give you that mhoffman – yet again you overlook one simple FACT – Obama the President, or private citizen, had no personal financial or other ties to organised crime figures anywhere. Trump does. You try to make Clinton and Obama guilty by association. Trump is guilty by actual practice. He is the head of his company – he is responsible for all of its actions. He makes it clear that he is a control freak – so he knows everything that goes on. His company, and therefore he, is in business with criminals and drug peddlars. Tell us how that same thing applies to Clinton or Obama.
I would also remind you that Obama inherited an economy in the midst of the biggest financial scandal since the 1920’s. That came about under your hero George Bush in case you have forgotten. Rampant greed caused a melt down around the world. So it is not possible to compare gdp with those previous administrations since circumstances were vastly different. We are very lucky that Obama was there to pick up the pieces of the republican mess yet again. So get off your high horse and look at the true story of the financial situation between 2008-16. You are not comparing like with like. Obama successfully cleaned up a shambles left by Bush and still managed to create growth and employment.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel LOL When did I say George Bush was my hero? George Bush was a disaster and a failure. Don’t make up facts about someone in your statements when you reference me. You can say Obama “fixed” the economy but you aren’t providing me with any economic indicators to prove as such. Obama had the lowest real GDP growth in decades and Obama even said we can’t keep blaming the previous administration when its been over 8 years
mhoffman953
@natekerchel Plus to add, if you look at the real GDP growth under past Presidents, we had poor GDP growth under George H.W. Bush, but Bill Clinton and a Republican congress turned that around (granted there were mistakes along the way such as NAFTA which hurt us years later). How come Obama couldn’t do the same with his predecessors poor record?
Giancarlo85
GDP Growth has been solid under Obama and steady. Steady economic growth is better than a period of boom and then a subsequent bust. The roaring 20s were seeing astronomical economic growth built on the back of economic irregularities and illegal trading. We all know what happened in 1929. Obama has an excellent economic record.
natekerchel
By the way you can be guilty of a crime even if you did not directly commit it. For example – I am sure you have heard of the word ‘accessory’ – before,during and after a crime. That answers your question I believe. A second example for you – you can also commit a crime by covering up criminal activity carried out by others. It is only a matter of time before evidence is found that the usurper has done either or both of those things. We already know he is a pathological liar – in itself a connection to mental instability. Reminds me of another Republican President – Nixon. Pathological liar and criminal. At the time your people also denied his wrong – doings. Like with Nixon, signs of mental illness are clear to see in trump – his narcissism, uncontrolled ranting, lashing out in revenge at his critics and pathological and persistent lying.
mhoffman953
Did you think that through before you wrote it. In the first sentence you state that Trump is an accessory to a crime but then later you say, “It is only a matter of time before evidence is found”. So essentially you’re saying he committed a crime, even though no evidence of a crime exists which means we don’t know what crime he committed, but you personally know he committed a crime based on his personality, yet you have no evidence. You sound like Alex Jones with his Clinton conspiracies.
One moment you’ll allege Trump is a moron but in the next breath, he’s apparently a criminal mastermind that can commit an international crime and make sure no evidence can be uncovered. Which is it, is Trump a moron or highly intelligent?
natekerchel
mhoffman You are completely deluded. To deny that Obama inherited and then fixed an economy in meltdown is just beyond belief. It is not possible to have a rational discussion with someone who refuses to be rational and accept easily verifiable facts. Now I can understand how and why you defend the usurper and his repulsive ‘administration’ – you are as removed from reality as they are. At first I thought you were just being provocative or playing devil’s advocate to get a good argument. But it is clear now that you live in your own little right wing world where real facts and evidence is simply ignored in favour of nonsense and lies. Even when the evidence is presented to you you still deny it or use deflection. A fact is something that cannot be disputed – that is what makes it a fact. And here is a fact – TRUMP LOST BY 3 MILLION. He is not a democratically elected President. He was elected by a few hundred mostly white men who defied the express will of the people. Those are FACTS.
Giancarlo85
You absolutely nailed it. The will of the people was to elect Hillary. In addition, if you look at all votes against Trump he actually lost by 10 million (when counting the two third party candidates).
You see if we had a parliamentary system we wouldn’t be dealing with this mess. Republicans wouldn’t have a majority in Congress either if we did.
In Holland, hoffman’s kind were defeated by the forces of the left and center.
By the way hoffyboy, Trump isn’t a criminal mastermind. He’s a criminal though. And not a very good one as even some investigate journalism has uncovered his crimes in Azerbaijan. By the way, do I need to remind you how Watergate broke? Investigative journalism goes a long way.
natekerchel
To add to your misery mhoffman – I read news from around the world to help in forming a true picture of what is going on – I came across a BBC interview carried out yesterday. This excerpt might interest you – the interviewee is the Rick Ledgett, the deputy head at NSA…
A commentator on Fox News had claimed that GCHQ had carried out the activity on America’s behalf, but Mr Ledgett said the claim showed “a complete lack of understanding in how the relationship works”.
Each side, he said, was prohibited from asking the other partner to carry out acts that they were prohibited from doing.
He also said the huge risks to the UK in carrying out such an act would completely outweigh any benefits.
“Of course they wouldn’t do it. It would be epically stupid,” he told me.
GCHQ had also dismissed the allegation as nonsense.
Mr Ledgett’s comments came in a wide-ranging – and long-scheduled – interview in his office at NSA headquarters at Fort Meade. He acknowledged that these were unusual times when it came to the political maelstrom surrounding America’s intelligence agencies and their relationship with the new administration.
“Our job in the intelligence community is to be apolitical. Our job is to speak truth to power,” he emphasised.
The origins of much of the tension lie in the assessment by the US intelligence community that Russia interfered in the presidential election, and the subsequent reaction from Donald Trump.
Mr Ledgett said the evidence of Russian involvement was “extraordinarily strong” and “irrefutable” and that the NSA had played a key role in establishing the case.
That confirms my comments – ones that you dismissed as having no basis.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel I never said Russia wasn’t involved in hacking emails of the Democratic party. It is similar to how China hacked both the Democratic and Republican parties back in 2008. My question to you was to prove to me that Russia colluded with Trump to help him win the election. Prove to me that they hacked the election results and not hacked some emails accounts. You can’t provide any evidence of that. Sure you can cite the NSA who said Russia hacked into the DNC’s emails, but how does that hurt the Clinton campaign? Wikileaks revealed emails but what was so bad in the emails that hurt her campaign and helped Trump?
natekerchel
In the first place I never claimed ‘collusion’ nor did I claim they hacked election results- so another lie you are telling – what I said was that the Russians interfered in the election with the intention of aiding the usurper – and that, whether or not you agree or like it, has been proved beyond any doubt. The fact that the usurper was loathe to admit this fact until he had no other choice, and even then lashed out at the intelligence services, shows what kind of man he is – a liar and suffering from emotional/mental issues. You also seem reluctant to admit the full scale of Russian interference. Suspicions are deepened when we now know for a FACT that at least two senior trump aides met with senior Russians during the campaign. One lied about it to Congress and had to resign. The other is having to sit of certain investigations because of it. So all in all I think that there is much more to come out of the usurpers ties to Putin and his minions.
natekerchel
mhoffman Where did I say ‘Trump is an accessory to crime’? I was pointing out that you dont have to be directly involved in a particular way to be convicted of a particular crime. Hence ‘accessory’. So another lie you made up – show me where I wrote that Trump is an accessory’. As for the second part – yes I did say evidence will eventually be found – that is my belief, and that of many many others . I repeat – show me where i wrote ‘Trump is an accessory to crime’ . If you can’t do that without trying to twisting things then you should apologise for lying.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel Do you realize you just contradicted yourself? In the start of your response you say “in the first place I never claimed collusion” when talking about the Trump campaign and it’s connection to Russia but at the end of your response you state “So all in all I think that there is much more to come out of the usurpers ties to Putin and his minions”. Therefore, which is it? You claim you don’t think the Trump campaign or Trump colluded with Russia but then you say more will come out saying they are connected.
The former head of DNI, James Clapper, said there is “no evidence of Trump and Russian ties”. Are you alleging you know more than James Clapper? You must because you said more will come out.
mhoffman953
@natekerchel Sure, I’ll show you where you said it. Your question to me is “Where did I say ‘Trump is an accessory to crime” and you said it with this quote, “It is only a matter of time before evidence is found that the usurper has done either or both of those things”.
The two “things” are when you said (1) being an accessory to a crime or (2) covering up criminal activity of others.
You said it’s only a matter of time until evidence IS FOUND (not could be, but is) that President Trump did one or both of those. You must not remember what you wrote if I have to point it out.
Giancarlo85
Hoffy is intellectually challenged and doesn’t like to deal with facts.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/02/27/flynn_the_dossier_regular_contact_what_exactly_do_we_know_about_trump_s.html
This is much worse than we think and just gets worse by the day.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 I don’t think you read the articles you post from an extremely left leaning website. Here are some quotes from what you posted:
“What we don’t know: The evidence for the rest of the allegations that have been floated—that Vladimir Putin personally ordered the release of the emails, and that this was done with the intention of electing Trump rather than just weakening presumed victor Hillary Clinton—is a bit more circumstantial” -> There is no proof of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia
“What we don’t know: Whether the claims in the dossier are true” -> Several news media outlets including CNN said none of this information can be verified
“What we don’t know: The FBI apparently knows from call intercepts that Flynn and Kislyak discussed sanctions, but we don’t know what Flynn actually told the ambassador about them”
Not sure how any of what you posted is relevant to indicate collusion. Natekerchel seems to say there wasn’t collusion (even though he later implies there was) but you are saying there definitely was collusion. Both of you can’t even get your talking points on the same page LOL
natekerchel
I still did not claim collusion – I said ‘ties’ to Putin and Russia and organised crime.
natekerchel
I checked again mhoffman – I said ‘ties to Putin and his minions’. Twisting my words again. Nowhere did I say collusion in that regard.
mhoffman953
Ok, so you’re admitting that Trump and no one on his campaign colluded with Russia over any hacking or any campaign activity?
Giancarlo85
Russia had direct contacts with the Trump c@mpaign. To think there was no contact about the hackings is naive. There are at least four separate investigations going on into your man, Hoffman. Again little facts you will have to deal with.
Mo Bro
@mhoffman953:
Touché, my good man, tou-freaking-ché . . .
(I admire your fortitude in taking on the intellectually challenged in this neighborhood, for I have not the patience to do so in more than 30 words)
Giancarlo85
MoBro, how is a 200% increase in your health premium going to work out for you? As long as you have “access” right lmao? We all can have “access”. And intellectually challenged… you may want to look in the mirror. I didn’t expect any less from Trump supporters. Funny how the majority of Trump supporters don’t possess anything more than a high school diploma (if you’re lucky).
Giancarlo85
And you know what else is hilarious? People like Mobro willing to follow Trump, even though Trump is doing everything he can to destroy the progress our community has made. How does it feel to be kissing the ass of someone who doesn’t even like you or care about you? That’s very sad.
I’m so happy Holland didn’t fall into the same trap as this foolish country.
mhoffman953
@Giancarlo85 What types of direct contact? We’re talking about collusion to regarding hacking and campaign activity. Tell us the nature of those contacts. Do you mean Jeff Sessions who met with the Russian ambassador? He met with him as a senator in his office in the presence of 3 marine officers. The meeting was set up under Obama’s state department as all senators’ meetings are done. If this was supposed to be some top secret meeting, why would it be arranged by Obama’s state department and done on the books, in front of witnesses, in a government office? He met with tons of other ambassadors too. If you ask anyone around Washington (with the exclusion of Nancy Pelosi) they’ll tell you that everyone knows the Russian ambassador and practically everyone has met him here or there (Nancy Pelosi says she never met him even though there are photos of her meeting him).
The Clinton campaign was also in contact with Russia during the election and her campaign manager was paid by a Russian bank as well as owned shares in a Putin linked energy company. Does any of that mean anything? No.
If you can prove collusion between a campaign and email hacking then let’s see your proof.
natekerchel
This is pointless now – you can argue with yourself. Even then you will probably lose. There is no defence possible for that odious usurper in the White House.
Giancarlo85
He is an idiot. I have really tried to reason with him, but then he comes up with all these lies about the Obamas and the Clinton’s that he most likely found on a right wing website.
I posted articles about how Trump has done business directly with organized crimes. And all he can post is about fake news about Podesta and other lies about Obama. He is a verified tool. He is a Trump supporter and he will go to any length to defend his sick little man.
This is the most corrupt administration in history. John Dean was right. Not even Nixon came close. And remember it took two years to get Nixon out after Watergate broke. With Trump, I doubt even a year.
Giancarlo85
*organized criminals.
Oh by the way there was direct contact with the Russians and Trump (and those working with him). That is why one administration official has resigned and another recused himself from the highly active investigations into Trump. Clapper is not the loop anymore and doesn’t have the latest information.
Oh and intelligence agencies have all confirmed this.
As I said, I give Trump up to a year. Hopefully he isn’t allowed to implement that horrible budget he wants. that would really hurt a lot of us. The poor will be even more poor and the middle class will decline astronomically. Think about it hoffy.
Giancarlo85
Trump had DIRECT business contacts with organized criminals being the Mammadovs. This is a proven fact. The Mammadovs are so corrupt even the US State Department have blacklisted them. Europe also have them on watchlists. They are very corrupt even by Azerbajiani standards. You can throw out whatever names at random and try to make it stick when you discuss Obama, but we all know you’re a liar. You’re not interested in factual debate, hoffy. You’re only interested in peddling lies. By the way, there was direct collusion and manipulation between the Trump team and Russia. This is already proven. Clapper is out of the loop and doesn’t have the latest information.
Trump is toast. Deal with it. It took two years for Watergate to bring down Nixon, and Nixon knew how to cover his tracks. Trump on the other hand is as stupid as you, hoffman.
Giancarlo85
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/obamas-economic-record-an-assessment
“In addition, if you look at employment rather than at G.D.P., the Obama recovery looks much stronger. Since the start of 2010, the U.S. economy has created about 2.4 million jobs per year. During the Bush recovery of 2002-2007, annual job growth was just 1.2 million. In terms of jobs, the Obama recovery compares with the Clinton recovery, of the nineteen-nineties, when approximately 2.8 million jobs were created each year.”
Obama’s economic record is strong, and we had to recover from one of the worst recessions since 1929. And it could have easily been worse.
GDP Growth was 2.1%-2.5% during his administration. It only clocks in lower because of the aftermath of the last recession that was from Obama’s predecessor.
Now that Trump is engaging in major deregulation and deficit causing tax cuts, we may be headed towards another financial meltdown and major recession. But Hoffman will continue to defend Trump until hell freezes over.
mhoffman953
LOL You linked to an opinion piece from a partisan political writer who hates Trump. Gee, I wonder what his opinion is going to be? Obviously the author of that post will put on rose tinted glasses when assessing the economy because he doesn’t want to make Obama look bad. The author can’t even defend the GDP growth issue so he basically says don’t look at that, just look at job growth.
If the economy was in great shape under Obama, the Fed would be raising the rates as they do if the economy seems stable and consumer confidence is up. Plus, most the jobs created during the past administration were part-time or seasonal jobs. For instance, Obamacare regulations force employers (in some cases) to offer healthcare to their full time employees. If an employer can’t afford that, he’ll just eliminate that full time position and create 2 new part-time positions then BINGO! there are 2 new jobs created. Is that good? No, because now we lost a full-time job and just replaced it with 2 part-time jobs
Also you can look at the population of able-bodied workers in this country. The number of people who can work, when adding in immigration, grew by 20 million under Obama. The rate of new jobs hasn’t grown by the same rate, which means there is a supply of workers but not a demand for jobs.
Giancarlo85
You are simply an incomprehensible idiot who doesn’t know how to read. You are a Trump supporter whose sole job is to lie and spin. It isn’t an opinion piece. It brings up important facts which debunk your vapid idiotic lying.
And your point about Obama care shows you don’t know what you are talking about. You are spouting out of your ass now and blowing smoke.
And what you don’t account with the labor force is that a record number of baby boomers have retired. Just another one of your long list of pathetic lies. Immigration also stalled during Obama and actually went in negative territory. People actually left back to their home countries.
Giancarlo85
By the way, the fed raising rates has to do with possible inflation. they had the rate near record lows close to zero.
You being the idiot you are simply can’t debunk my claims about how Trump would crash the economy if he had his way with taxation and deregulation.
Your feeble attacks on Obama are desperate attempts at trying to destroy his fine record and are meaningless. Let me remind you he left office with a 60% approval rating and your man can’t even muster 40%.
Get a grip please. You don’t know anything about economics or the federal reserve. You simply are stupid like many of his followers.
Giancarlo85
Your criticism of Obamacare is so mind numbingly stupid. I don’t even have words to describe it. You aren’t worth my time so this will be my last post under this article to you.
Consider educating yourself on the basic of economics and the ACA. If you could, you wouldn’t be so ignorant. And stop eating up right wing talking points. Right wing crap isn’t reality.
By the way, a state like Kentucky was very success with ACA, until a stupid Republican governor got in and ruined it. What you say isn’t reality.
trell
This looks suspiciously like another one of Trump’s ‘Dead Cat Strategies’.
After the whole “Easy D” thing, then the accusation of Obama wiretapping him, and every other bit of sensationalist fluff he keeps throwing out to distract the world from the sub-par job he’s doing, I reckon this is a bit of an inside job to continue with the smoke & mirrors distractions.
In the interest of balance, though, yes, boycott McDonalds anyway! Not because of the ‘rogue tweet’, but simply because their food is garbage!
Dakotahgeo
I dunno… Ronald McDonald always appeared to have a boner when I saw his plastic bloomers… could he be ‘just a bit’ gay, perchance?