Necessary disclaimer whenever posting vlog op-eds: Do not pay attention to comments published on YouTube. That said, Luan Legacy’s rant about silly hatred toward effeminate gays is totally deserved. “Get the fuck over it, bitch.”
Language very, very NSFW. But it’s so worth watching, find somewhere you can click Play without getting fired.
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VitaminKorg
Points: This guy = 1, “Straight-Acting” Erik = 0.
Mike in Asheville, nee "in Brooklyn"
Fuck YEAH! It took me a few more years of life to figure out what this kid has; embrace individuality!
D'oh, The Magnificent
Nice rant. Little too much cursing, but otherwise great break down. As a guy who is considered masculine, I can say that I don’t get the attitude toward effeminate guys. The above video gets it right- no one who is anti-gay thinks of me as better because I am a masculine gay man.
This is like the conversation between dark and light skin blacks where the light skin blacks think the majority likes them better when in both cases all the majority sees in black. Here, whether I am masculine or not, the minutes they know I have sex with men is the minute the majority judges me for that. This is classic internalize hatred.
I say that because Erik seems unduly focused on straight acting versus effeminate. If Erik doesn’t want to date effeminate guys, then why is he focusing his time on what effeminate guys do? For the record, Erik, to me is somewhat effeminate so its funny that he would be hating on effeminate guys for something that’s a part of him. I don’t get it. Honestly, I would think you were more attractive Erik if you were a bit more comfortable in your own skin. Your constant focus on straight acting or not rather than just doing your thing comes across as insecurity.
I will let you in on a little secret- if you spend more time on what you positively want rather than what you don’t want, then you will find it. The negativity hurts your search for a man.
It takes a lot of work to learn to love yourself. The sooner you get started on that. The better. You don’t have to date guys you are attracted to. But you don’t need to hate on them either unless they are jerks.
Larry
Not the most articulate video on earth, but I agree with it. Glad someone his age (16, according to his profile) is already unafraid of being who he is.
Jon (humor the old guy)
okay, that’s 3-minutes and 37 seconds. . .Queerty still owes me 3:15 for that Huckabee drivel.
Chitown Kev
Great video and he’s right.
Of course.
Jon (humor the old guy)
I wish people weren’t so freaked out over cursing. . .I love cursing.
asa1973
@Larry: I would have to say that was one of the most articulate “rants” I have seen in a while. I want to be like him when I grow up. (Can a person be in his late 30s and still hope to grow up?)
Erik
Whoever thinks I have something against more effeminate guys is creating made up situations in their head.
samthor
I suspect a lot of the hate on “Effeminate” because it’s feminine. A sort of sexism, thinking that women are weaker. (Which of course is total B.S., but I suspect some Butch’s think that way.)
I think the greatest benefit of LGBT rights…. the right that benefits everyone: gay, straight and anything in between;…. is the right to simply “be yourself”. As LGBT’s gain more rights EVERYONE benefits by being the level of masculine and feminine that they are truly meant to be. To do what you were meant to do w/o worrying if it’s too manly or too girly.
And frankly, I am disappointed that anyone who is/has been a victim of hate & ignorance cannot recognize it in themselves when they hate on others.
Baxter
I like how he’s channeling a sassy black woman.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Erik: You spend too much time worrying about it not to have an issue with it. Look, it is pretty simple: Your behavior speaks a lot more louder than your claims of indifference do. You are clearly bothered by them or you wouldn’t focus on it so much.
MP
Individuality is great, but that dude should save it for Oprah.
Erik
@D’oh, The Magnificent: You think so? I’ve made 42 videos and its only been a few of them that I’ve ever mentioned anything about effiminate gays or masculine gays. 3 videos out of 42 = ~ 7 percent of my videos.
stephen
that was a awesome video!
adman
@Erik: What purpose does it serve to bring up straight male mannerisms in a forum with a gay audience? What position do you assert if you don’t want to get schooled? It just isn’t constructive, and you sit back and claim indifference after you started a situation. Take a little responsability for yourself and it’ll reflect on our community much better than if you continue acting like the straight lunkhead that society taught you to be.
Amnesia
My fiend sent me this video and said that after watching it I would have a craving for fried rice and fried chicken. I don’t see why I would?
However, I do feel like eating some skittles.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Erik: Since I didn’t say you solely focused on it (I wrote you spend too much time worrying about it), your comment is not a rebuttal.
If we we allow you the one video where you felt the need to talk in those terms, then I still don’t see the need for two more.
Moreover, I find all of this silly in the first place because you seem a bit effeminate to me, and I doubt you could survive in the world I live in, and yet, I think I may be more comfortable dating gay men across the feminine-masculine divide than you.
It seems internalized from my perspective of masculinity.
Your third videos, if I am remembering it correctly, you spoke in a unnecessary way about how some gay men speak. I may be remembering this incorrectly because I skimmed through it here at Queerty.
What was the point of that video other than your internalized issues? I don’t get it? Entertainment?
jimstoic
Gay men who hate effeminate gay men hate the feminine aspects of themselves. It’s that simple. Ironically, their so-called masculinity is based in fear. We are all a mixture of attributes. We all fall somewhere on a continuum. Hating the person a few notches up or down the scale from me makes no sense. And it has often been the more effeminate gay men who have been at the forefront of our battle for equality. We owe them gratitude, not hatred.
delurker again
Does anyone think the big stink to repeal DADT has a little something to do with the cult of masculinity? The subtext seems to be, ‘hey, we gays aren’t all preening and prancing sissies! we can kill, main and torture brown folk in illegal wars just like the straights can!”
Abe
He doesn’t even seem TOO effeminate. It almost seems as if he’s acting…
Paul Mc
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
WTF – talk about hypocrisy. You accuse Erik about being too much focused on effeminate/masculine divide and then say he is more effeminate than you and that you could date a bigger range of guys than him. WTF is “from my perspective of masculinity.”?
FYI – Luan Legacy loved Erik’s video. Watch Erik’s other videos and you’ll see he is a good kid trying to make sense of a (relatively) new world of gayness and sharing his growth within that.
AlwaysGay
@samthor: No, it’s because gay men are attracted to masculine men. Gay men don’t want to be told that though. Gay men (and heterosexuals but that’s a different story) encourage effeminate gay men and then reject effeminate gay men as sexual partners. The gay men who speak up about effeminacy in the gay male community speak up because the dating pool is undermined.
This guy has one thing 100% right, heterosexuals hate us because we are gay. Regardless of your gender expression heterosexuals hate you because you are gay.
What’s truely cowardly is gay people’s refusal to acknowledge heterosexuals are the creators and perpetuators of anti-gay bigotry. Gay people can’t even have a honest dicussion of our lives and experiences because we don’t want to offend our oppressors, heterosexuals.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@delurker again: If people are treated as equal under the law, that is definitely a sign that one is focused on masculinity. That’s why we ended desegregation of the races after WW II. If Erik has baggage that causes him to over emphasize “straight acting,” you have a political agenda that prevents you from realizing when you are making absurd arguments not premised on why people fight for things. Practical example- most of the people pushed out under DADT are actually women. Another practical example, one of the advocates who chained herself to the fence includes the follow former military personnel Autumn Sandeen, who is fighting to for trans rights of equality under the law along with gays.
http://www.pamshouseblend.com/diary/15890/autumns-thoughts-about-her-direct-action-with-getequal-at-the-wh-today
But don’t let reality stop you.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Paul Mc: Well, the first thought that comes to mine is that you imply in your argument that we aren’t suppose to notice that some guys are more masculine or feminine than others in order to accept all types of guys.
This seems like the “I deny it, then that makes us equal” school of thought that conservatives like to spout. I am not calling you conservative. I am telling you from where the implicit assumptions of your opinion derives. They argue all the time about race or gender or sexual orientation that there is only a problem if someone notices it. Here, you seem to be arguing that if I notice that I am more and in some cases less masculine than another guy that means I am producing a harm. Whereas I am actually saying that noticing whether they are more or less masculine does not mean I am going to reject someone for the purpose of dating them on noticing that trait.
On top of that you seem to think that if I acknowledge that I know that this is subjective (hence the “from my perspective”) this is a bad thing. Why exactly I am not sure.
Indeed, how there is a hypocritical stance in noticing the differences is not clear. Are you sure you used the right word or did you mean something else? Hypocritical would be me saying “He should accept feminine men, but I don’t accept masculine men” or some statement that suggests I am discriminating as Erik does. It is not hypocritical to notice the differences. If it were, the mere noticing of subjective physical differences in race would also be hypocritical to notice.
You have a lot of implicit assumptions in your arguments that you need to work through before you can discuss what I said versus the baggage you insert into it.
Jason
About Erik’s three videos discussing lgbt stuff, of course those would be featured because this is an lgbt site.
DEREK WASHINGTON
I don’t get what the big deal is about Erik. I mean, so what? He thinks he’s “straight acting and appearing”. Big whoop.
I agree with Baby Foul Mouth, I hate when Gays throw out a statement like, “I don’t do Asians” or “He’s a total bottom” as if that was a bad thing.
I’ve had some hella good times with Asian bottoms.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@Jason: That the videos are about lgbt people is not the reason why people are debating the video. It is what he is saying about them.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@DEREK WASHINGTON: Because he doesn’t just do what you describe.
DR (the real one, not the guy who made post #12)
Aside from the foul language, which makes him sound really ignorant, I’d suggest he take his own advice and get over it.
We all have our preferences, we all have our likes, we all have our dislikes. Go check out the Morning Goods section to see that in action. Do I like reading all the comments from guys who hate on guys who express themselves through body art (black guys get called “thugs” while the white ones get called “white trash”, I believe)? No, but if I made a video and rant every time I read those comments I *might* have some spare time for a real life.
Grow up and deal with it. If you can’t do that now, you’re in a world of trouble when you get into the real world.
Qjersey
He is so right…and channeling a southern black queen at the same time.
D'oh
DR- you have a listening comprehension problem.
Miguel
I love how he’s his own ‘strong black woman’
Jose
This is a great video except I disagree on one point:
That bigots hate us specifically for our homosexuality and not for our effeminacy. How many times have you heard a straight person say “I don’t have a problem with gays just so long as they’re not flaming faggots. There’s a difference between a gay guy and a faggot. One is alright the other isn’t.” etc. etc. And the gay guys who are desperate for the acceptance of straights and agree with them are just as bad. You know, the “straight-acting” ones.
I still agree with him on everything else though. Even if effeminacy is what they hate us for, we should absolutely NOT stop being who we are, whether that be feminine or masculine. If they hate you for being effeminate or homosexual or whatever, you don’t need to change. That’s THEIR shit that THEY need to deal with, not us.
JDR916
So I’d love to get some thoughts (i.e. “@” me and such…)
I study queer theory and all of this “masculine”/”feminine” stuff (note the scare quotes) really intrigues me. For starters, I’d describe myself as not particularly “masculine” (not really into sports, REALLY can’t play them, voice isn’t too deep, etc.) but I’m also not particularly “feminine” (no eye for design, mildly-frumpy wardrobe, voice not too HIGH, etc.). My friends say that before I mentioned I was gay, they “sort of had an idea, but weren’t sure” (whatever THAT means).
I recognize all of these “attributes” as built strictly on stereotypes, but for better or worse (I suspect mostly the latter), our binary-obsessed Western society assigns things the labels “hypermasculine” and “hyperfeminine” and assign EVERYTHING to one or the other. Of this I am NOT a fan, and I venture to say that’s true for most queer people: the average person, irrespective of actual sexual orientation, lies somewhere between Dwayne “The Rock” Johnson and Paris Hilton (for lack of better examples).
I think it’s certainly okay to recognize and respond to certain personality traits. Some of my best friends would fit into the “femme” category, and when I’m around them my more femme traits certainly come to the fore. When I’m hanging out with my more butch gay friends, the opposite happens. I’m comfortable in either case, though, perhaps because I’m able to recognize that these two different parts of me exist. That said, just as I look for a certain sense of humor and certain tastes in movies when searching for a potential BF, I for one am not particularly attracted to really femme guys OR really butch guys…maybe it’s just “extremes” that turn me off. Thoughts?
Alfonzo
I’m told I fall on the more masculine side of the spectrum and have even had people mistake me for straight (I’m not sure this is a compliment). I’m glad we have big ol’ homo queen and at time I’ll act like one my damn self.
If think other people the more feminine need to be more “straight-acting,” they’re basically demanding they pretend they’re something the are not. Isn’t it hard enough to be gay without having to deal with sh!t from other gays because they behave a certain way? We are ALL part of our community, whether or not you choose to accept it.
D'oh
@Alfonzo: Agree.
ewe
I think it is so sad that there is so much anger coming out of this person. He is just as hostile toward masculinity as he is complaining about those that bash femininity. Her mouth is foul. It is unproductive and unconvincing. I might be feeling this particular way because i was probably viewed by strangers as effeminate in my teens and early twenties and have somehow naturally aged into something else. Last night i saw quite a few stereotypically young gay men and i though how great it is because i know it takes tremendous strength for any of us to be ourselves. This person is spending too much of his energy on negativity and it will only fester unless he addresses it. His issues are far beyond societal roleplaying.
George
I’ve long lost the chance to count of the number of “queenly” gays who are certain to be the last to realize how “queenly” they are and, more likely than not, will never realize it, despite the fact that it’s obvious to everyone else.
Giovannidude
Hard to believe this kid is so young. He is secure in who and what he is, and he’s a lot smarter than many people twice his age.
And he nailed it.
He should appear on Chelsea Handler’s TV show; might have to bloop out a few words and phrases. But that would just add to the message.
Plus the truth is so refreshing.
E11is
I dont hate any gay people as gay people feminine or masculine, however i used to have a friend who was SOOOO gay and feminine which isn’t bad, but what was bad was he HATED feminine gays and drag queens and I don’t think thats healthy in the least.
SSCHIEFRSHA
Just crates upon crates of lipstick and VERY bright pink Judy Garland purses……the fool!
TONYD
You go on with your bad-ass-self! LGBTQ, Heterosexual, and Miscellaneous (I’m sure there’s a concept worth grasping, but we haven’t yet)- drop the social mask and be comfortable in your own skin. Assimilation into what others pressure you/me into being isn’t necessary, regardless who tries to bully you into a role you know you’re not. It may be difficult for young adults coming into their own, but if more adults quit pretending to be who they weren’t, it may make a safer environment for younger adults and older ones, too.
ewe
@Giovannidude: What you call smart i hear on many a street corner. Misplaced aggression is not intelligent and youth is no excuse.
Jay
Aw its a little activist in the making. I’m so proud! Except I don’t get where his accent is from…But awesome nonetheless! Its refreshing to know people still care about such issues.
bobo
this gives me hope for the future of queer youth and makes me happy. If he is this focused and perceptive about community as a high school student, just think of his awesome potential after college and grad school. gay baby OBAMA!!!
ewe
One need only walk over to Christopher Street any night of the week and hear that insulting rant. He is no different than the people he is complaining about. His presentation loses any altruism he may feel in his heart. I understand the frustration but this is not strategically significant for the people he is trying to reach. In the long run, this young man is simply venting. I think his goal is more than that. It’s important to tell him to employ a different tactic. Many people feel that we must work within the system to achieve productive results. He is essentially limiting his audience. Spare me the backlash and anger folks. This issue deserves more than a one man bitch session. People need to identify not be silenced.
Rovex
Im sorry but the hatred towards naturally average and butch gay men is much greater coming from the camp fems gays, than it is the other way round!
Some of us are just average guys and i think the fems cant accept that. Some of us dont like fem clothes, dont like to be called ‘she’, and dont use jazz hands.
We arent trying to ‘fit in’, we arent trying to hide our homosexuality and we like cock just as much as any fem. The fems who think being gay means you HAVE to look and act like a woman are the ones who have got it wrong. Being a gay man means you like to have sex with other men, nothing else is implied.
Lookyloo
I have no problem with real-live effeminate gay guys. We need to be accepting of each other. But I HATE that it’s the most prevalent depiction of gay men in tv and movies. Of course most gay men are not sassy, femmy, fashionistas but it’s the stereotype that gets all the attention and stereotypes are historically not helpful to any minority.
Steven
Ughh, I hate queens — opps!
I mean we are all one rainbow Better?
Lamar
Why do people always say that men hating on other men because of their femininity is sexist against women? It’s sexism against men because by hating on effeminate men we are enforcing this macho, emotionless stereotype on other men who might not be this way. It doesn’t stem from sexism against women, if it did then femininity in women would also be abhored.
Lamar
Why do people always say that men hating on other men because of their femininity is sexist against women? It’s sexism against men because by hating on effeminate men we are enforcing this macho, emotionless stereotype on other men who might not be this way. It doesn’t stem from sexism against women, if it did then femininity in women would also be abhored.
I disagree with this guy’s point that if more gays are less effeminate people would still hate us less. The world hating us has a lot to do with our relationships but a lot to do with our stereotypical mannerisms. However, we shouldn’t have to change who we are to get rights that are rightfully ours in the first place.
rovex
Who said men have to be emotionless? Macho or even average isnt emotionless. The emotionless ones are just getting it wrong. Its quite possible to be male, masculine and emotional.
Camp men do nothing for me, but if thats the way they are then i dont care. The issue i have is when guys fake it, and there are a LOT who fake it because they think that how a gay man should behave.
brian quinby
This is one kid with his head screwed on right. Thank you very much.
DR (the real one, not the guy who made post #12)
@D’oh:
No, D’oh, I don’t.
Our community is so scattershot, we’re not always going to get along. Gays don’t trust the bisexuals, half of us don’t agree the “T” belongs in the umbrella, and let’s not even get into issues of race, class, and religion.
This kid needs a reality check, and stat. Or he’s going to be one bitter queen when he grows up.
Jones
What an annoying bitch this kid is.
Shawn
I know for myself(24 year old from central PA) I don’t care what your voice sounds like. I almost dated a guy that sounded very effeminate. We ended up not dating due to him living like 2 hours away and that not being a great 1st gay relationship. Anyways, I know what they mean when Erik said that he heard a difference, I hear it too with some guys…I just don’t care that much about it.
If I like a guy it’s because of who they are not how they sound. Now, I will tell you at the time I was a bit freaked out by it only because I was still used to being in the closet, but that feeling passed within’ a day.
I say that I don’t care about what a person sounds like, but at the same time I tend to fall for guys who are more “masculine”. I don’t do it consciously and I don’t avoid effeminate guys…I guess it’s just “what I prefer”(?) However, if I started to like a guy that was more effeminate, I wouldn’t stop myself from liking him just because of that.
I dunno, I guess I understand both sides. I don’t necessarily agree with Erik, but at the same time…I understand. The guy that did this vid…I loved it. I just don’t think anyone should judge anyone else for something like this.
Lexi
@asa1973: I’m 34 and I’m still trying to figure out what and who I want to be when I grow up, so I’m with you there! And this kid is just wonderful!
Jason
Agreed.
ewe
@DR (the real one, not the guy who made post #12): Exactly. You are so correct. His hurt disguised as anger will never be processed if all gay people on this site do is celebrate this horrid display. People who are telling him to snap out of his hateful discourse are actually more concerned for this guy and his personal fullfillment and future than everyone saying he is brilliant and spot on. Look at the venom coming out of his mug. What he needs is a therapist to talk about his feelings. Grow up. This kid is quickly going toward getting punched out in the face and no one will be around when he hits the front of a freight train.
Adrian
It always fascinates me how popular this form of speach is today.
Adrian
It always fascinates me how popular this form of speech is today.
D'oh, The Magnificent
@DR (the real one, not the guy who made post #12): Were this your first comment attacking all gays as one then I would be inclined to believe your posts are not about internalized homophobia. But since you post the same diatribe each time you come to the site regardless of subject matter, the truth is you have some deep emotional issues that no one here can help you resolve. See you later.
Bob
You go girl!!!!!
DR (the real one, not the guy who made post #12)
@D’oh, The Magnificent:
Actually, D’oh, no, I don’t. I’ve seen displays of biphobia, anti-“heteronormativism”, and anti-heterosexuality here and elsewhere in the community. It’s sad when folks get applauded for referring to straight folks as “haterosexual” (here and elsewhere), it’s pathetic when gay folks demand the right to exclude bisexuals and straights (here and elsewhere), and it’s annoying when gay folk demand we not be allowed to have an opinion that doesn’t fit under a rainbow-colored umbrella (also seen here and elsewhere).
This is an angry young man. Period. End of story. His use of foul language every other word doesn’t impress me, and I stand by my comment that he needs to chill out and relax. His anger needs to be addressed, not applauded. It’s not healthy.
People like you disrespect Erik for trying to find his way as a unique gay man, but applaud this kid, probably because he agrees with you and your views while Erik doesn’t. Erik has just as much right to find himself and express himself as this kid does. Anyone who would say otherwise is the one who needs to have his head examined.
Lamar
@rovex: Well it’s not said out loud, it’s an unwritten rule that men have to fit into these special categories or be labelled as gay (unfortunately as an insult).
Marv
PREACH!!
I AM who I AM! I AM SPECIAL and so are YOU!!!
Your rant was from the heart and I applaud YOU!!!
Marv
Luanlegacy
I like the comments on here from people who act like they know my intelligence level or my “hurt” which is actually disguised as anger because of this video. It’s really laughable at best 🙂
I bow down to your superior knowledge and your keen judge of character because if you were able to tell all these things about me and my life just from watch a 208 second video. wow! you’re impressive!
Thank you to everyone who can relate to my message of just not hating.
TonyD
@Lexi: My friend Lance, the first guy I came out to before heading to college, at 18, told me, “Be yourself and that’s where you’ll find the greatest success.” At 34, I’ve still to hear anything more honest. I can’t read my future; most times, I go with the flow, work with what I can control and accept what I can’t. I’m still working on letting go of grudges, but I’m a pretty happy person, working on my PhD in EDU policy. =) It may change any day and I’ll be pissed, but I’ll get over it and move on. Like acceptance, you find no one is worth waiting forever except yourself- everyone else, you move on with or without theirs.
Absurdity
Erik asked a simple question. One that is an interesting question in my opinion. Why do some gay guys have the lisp while others don’t? What is it that drives them toward the more effeminate side? I don’t know the answer and I’ve been gay longer than I care to admit. BUT asking the question is NOT hating. It’s an attempt to understand our differences. No different than asking why most gay men seek out men with the biggest penises and then can’t put them in the orifice of their choice because they are TOO BIG. It never made sense to me but it happens all the time. Go to any of the video chat sites and you can watch them gravitate to the one with the biggest penis. And then to say that Erik has issues with masculinity by asking a question and at the same time saying that they don’t have issues with masculinity when they’re seeking out the biggest penis possible seems pretty hypocritical to me.
Absurdity
And one more thought about “haters”. Just because someone doesn’t find Asians appealing doesn’t mean they hate them (although some may). It just means that the physical attributes that define an Asian man are less appealing to them than say an Arab man. So stop trying to make everything about hate and just realize that people have different ideas of what they find attractive. If you want to talk tops and bottoms well that has nothing to do with hate either. It’s a preference of what position you enjoy when having sex. I personally find nothing wrong with a big ole bottom as long as they aren’t effeminate. Why? Because I want a bottom that is assertive which is not a typical trait that goes along with being effeminate. It’s not that it doesn’t ever happen but there is a tendency of effeminate men to be less inclined to be assertive. Would I have a relationship with someone that was 100% bottom absolutely not because I want to spend some quality time on the bottom as well. Do I have an issue with Asians absolutely not in fact I find some of them to be absolutely stunning and assertive. There was one his name was Jo Vince and let me tell you he rocked my world and he insisted he was a top but when I got to speak with him alone he told me that he’d be willing to bottom for the right guy. So Asians have their issues with masculinity as well.
As for some in the community using their outrageous behavior to win people over to accept gays – well I don’t think that any pride parade is going to do anything good for gay rights. Because it’s exactly what the rest of the “straight” world consider immoral (not only same-sex sex but multiple partner sex and fetish sex, etc) that is being shoved in their faces. Now we all know that there are not just fetishes in the gay world but what we don’t see is the straight world shoving them in our faces while marching down main street. So if we’re willing to leave our needs to express our sexuality in such an outrageous and open forum I believe will get closer to our goals of acceptance and tolerance. But that means showing ourselves as loving, compassionate, caring individuals and leaving the whips and chains and leather thongs and not dressing in drag behind at least in public. That will win their hearts and minds over in the end. If we walk hand-in-hand with our significant other and leave the club acts behind we’ll advance or cause much quicker than our current tactics will allow. Because what is it you see immediately following on the news media after a gay pride parade naked women riding harleys, men in drag, men in cages with their asses hanging out of chaps being beaten by a man with a leather whip and a gas mask on his face. How do you think that help to move our cause forward? I’m not asking anyone to give anything up but to keep it in the places were it is acceptable behavior and not on Main St, USA where it is neither desired nor wanted.
Jayson
I was with a group of gay friends recently and one of them saw this gay guy walking with a girl, and said ” who is that fag kidding? “, I said ” what? ” , and then 2 others started talking about how “girly” he was. All I could think was, have they seen how they act?
We are all a little masculine, a little feminine and a little in the middle. Why we care if a guy acts one way or the other seems to me to be a cry of ” I am not happy with me ” , so I rag on others. The poster of this video is right, no one knows what your life is, or what’s in your head. If you truly think heterosexual people hate us because we are “fem” or whatnot, you truly are just living in a dream, they hate us because we have sex with men, and that makes them sick. If you are a “macho” gay your sex life also makes them sick, and they don’t want you around, no matter how “straight-actiong ” you are.
AOG93
@Baxter: LOL, right!!!
But… coming from a 3rd World Country, I know that (here) society hates people just cuz they’re gay and it’s true, but their mindset towards ‘masculine’ gay men is ‘at least they are not fags’. So for them, its like: ‘they’re bad but at least not AS bad’. So, in my personal experience people are less offensive with ‘non-femenine’ gay men here. However, like @JIMSTOIC said: We are all a mixture of attributes.
Herbert Wassinger
EXCELLENT!!!
koko dee
havent watch the vid so cant say much about anything- am 28, feel gay, was more fem from my childhood days but with effort trying to pick up a litle masculinity, have had sex just twice all in january 2012 and really calling it quits- though very hard. my beef some guys are too overdoing overshowing the feminity and makes it very embrassing especially in my country where it is simply unthinkable and highly abhorent to be gay. dnt hate none though