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BREAKING Happy Pride: New York Becomes 6th State in Nation to Ok Marriage Equality

UPDATE: In perhaps the greatest gay pride gesture in political history, the New York Senate tonight legalized marriage equality in the state, making it the sixth in the nation–and the largest by far–to expand the definition to include same-sex couples.

The other five states are Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire and Vermont. The District of Columbia is also home to marriage equality.

The margin was narrow–four votes–as the measure gained an unexpected last minute boost from veteran Republican Sen. Stephen Saland, who voted against a similar measure in 2009. Before Saland announced his intention, the bill was one vote short of passage. In the end, just four Republicans joined 29 Democrats for passage, 33-to-29.

An earlier up vote that included strong exemptions for religious organizations in the adoption of marriage equality paved the way for Saland’s change of heart, but will have no effect on our right to marry our same-sex partners.

Democratic Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo, who made marriage equality one of his priorities, signed the measure just before the stroke of midnight. It will go into effect in 30 days, meaning that same-sex couples may begin marrying in New York by late July. Couples were already making plans by the time the governor made it official.

Passage was a major blow to the National Organization for Marriage, an anti-gay group headed by Maggie Gallagher, Brian Brown and Robert P. George, that is the leading fundraising in opposition to marriage equality nationwide.

Read more here and here for further details on this historic night.

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    • Robert in NYC

      It just passed, 33-29. Take that NOM! Your days are numbered!

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:39 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert in NYC

      Senator Mark Grisanti (R) gave the most moving, eloquent speech of all. Thank you, Senator.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChrisC

      WOW! What a historical day and amazing achievement!

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      Great news! This could mark the turning of the tide, & the end of NOM’s winning streak.

      A tip of the hat to those who fought so hard to make this happen.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Shannon1981

      Thank you to Senator Grisanti, and to all the Democrats, and the Republicans who crossied party lines, risking re election, to further the move toward Full Equality.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert in NYC

      Jeffree, NOM’s days are numbered. I haven’t slept in days blogging, calling, emailing, lobbying. This sunday’s Gay Pride march will be beyond anything we’ve seen before. Truly something to celebrate! A major victory for New York and for the country! I’m so proud to be a New Yorker!

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dazzer

      Fuck it, I’m just so happy for New Yorkers right now. It’s been one hell of a stinkinglyly hard fight – but you boys and girls won. Apart from the joy of having gained some equality, I hope the New York LGBTQ population (in such a massive State) realises how much this means for other people. It’s the tipping point.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 10:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jess

      I wish I was in New York right now, this is great news! I’m so happy!

      I only hope california (and the rest of the states) can someday (soon!) make this a reality, too.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      what was the vote breakdown by party?

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      Really cool. This really helps a lot of families.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • claire

      OMG this is soooooo rad let’s hope this just builds momentum!

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:19 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chris L

      Mmmm….I love New York

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777

      Hell yeah. This is badass news.

      A. Let’s celebrate this victory.

      B. Let’s rally together to make sure I never have to see the banner ad on Queerty I just saw for Glenn Beck’s “GBtv”.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @delurker: someone should correct me if I am wrong, but I think its 28 or 29 Democrats, and 3 or 4 Republicans. It was close, but a win is a win.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James

      this is so great. As a young gay man this gives me so much hope for the future.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @Interesting: ah so it was “bipartisan” snerk. where are the goproud trolls tonight?

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

      Congratulations NY. I want to laugh and cry at the same time. I’m so fucking happy for you.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @Jadedbycolor: you will be welcomed with open arms by gay conservatives.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • James

      @Jadedbycolor: trolololol gtfo

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @delurker: You know- I am a cynical queen, but tonight is our victory. Not the bigots. So let’s enjoy it.

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ChpInNlr

      I’m so very proud of the state of New York! Congratulations! Since they didn’t put any residency requirement on this bill, that means any couple from the US can get MARRIED in NY! Ah a spring wedding in Central Park….

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott ny'er

      Can this be overturned or are we good forever?

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TMikel

      This is proof that people can change, even though change often takes far longer than we would like. congratulations to the people of the state of New York, and especially to all those who can now marry the person they love. Delurker, four Republicans voted for marriage equality and 29 Democrats. Hats off the the brave four and the 29 as well!

      Jun 24, 2011 at 11:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      Its a done deal.

      Its hard to do any voter overturn here:


      On top of that, its not like the polls favor overturning the legislature:

      58 percent support marriage equality.


      Hope that helps.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • scott ny'er

      @Interesting: Great. Thanks, it was a little over my head but I think I got it. And thus… YAY!!! Kudos for gay marriage in NY!!!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:17 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jeff4justice

      I’m happy for my NY brothers/sisters. Way to go to all the activists who went out and activisted their hearts out to help make this happen.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:18 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @scott ny’er: All the data suggests is that it is highly, highly unlikely. The major hurdle was the passage in the legislature.

      Its excellent news.

      I did some more quick research:


      More Data

      72-23% of Democrats in the State Support Marriage Equality

      Could not find a racial breakdown in the polling, but doing some extrapolation, based on number of people of color in the state, that would almost certainly mean a high number of people of color included considering the states racial make up and the racial make up of the GOP and Democratic Party.

      This is both a major political victory in the legislature, and likely one of public perception too.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Steve

      @James: I share your sentiments. I feel that young gay people are the ones who would probably have the biggest push towards marriage equality. I mean, not even rotten NOM can say no to a bunch of kids.

      The fact that one of the largest states in the country has passed marriage equality, I’m feeling a cautious optimism for the next few years. I don’t think we’ll be fighting for too much longer.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      @Robert in NYC: I hope you & all your crew who worked on this realize the world is watching* & sees that the fundocrats haven’t completely taken over!
      Celebrate, amigo!

      Grisanti’s speech +was+ impressive, not just because of his party but also because he broke rank as a Catholic. Dolan must be penning a sermon about him for Mass on Sunday!

      (*Euro press is already talking about it, despite the time difference. If something good turns up I’ll pass it on in the a.m.)

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:50 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jonathan

      I sent my bunny a marriage proposal by text message the minute the news broke. He’s six hours ahead and fast asleep. In thirteen years I have never loved him more than right now.

      Its about time.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • greenmusic23f

      Congratulations New York!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:01 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      No residency requirement means that it’s time for you engaged couples to start planning y’alls weddings!

      @Jonathan: i hope he says yes!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:06 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      When the Republicans take the presidency next year, none of this will matter.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:22 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: “Could not find a racial breakdown in the polling, but doing some extrapolation, based on number of people of color in the state, that would almost certainly mean a high number of people of color included considering the states racial make up and the racial make up of the GOP and Democratic Party.”


      Like POC had ANYTHING to do with this.

      Funny how you give credit to POC in public perception FOR marriage equality in New York, but when it comes to their bigotry and anti-gay stance in the case of Prop 8, you are quick to try and paint them as no more bigoted than whites.

      You’re a fucking tool. Racist.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: I am not going to let you sour this moment with your issues. I mentioned multiple points of data. The only one you managed to have a problem with was the racial one. That says all that needs to be said about you. Good luck. from this point on, you will be talking to yourself.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:51 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aiden

      @Interesting: It sure does. Even his usual trolling isn’t irritating me right now. I just hope it comes to California.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      @Interesting: There’s going to be no polling data because this wasn’t an election! Yeeeeesh.

      You’d be better off looking at religious affiliation of the state Senate districts, & of the Senators.

      You really ought to take a poly sci class and a stats course before you start interpreting data in ways that have no validity.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      @TRMAdam: Even if a Republican wins, they’ll have bigger fish to fry than marriage equality. That’s an issue that gets people to vote, but the number one concern for voters in both parties is the Economy. Social issues get more buzz b/c they’re binary: for vs against, but jobs & the deficit matter more, to more people.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:03 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: LOL at you saying you don’t want me to sour moments and point out race when that’s basically ALL you do on Queerty. And I’m glad you won’t be responding, because you have NOTHING to say in your defense, you fucking hypocrite. Shut the fuck up and make it permanent. Thanks.

      @Jeffree: Only time will tell, Jeffree. As in the case of Massachusetts back in 2004, a gay marriage win going into election time may trigger another backlash. It’s happened before and may very well happen again. Gay rights at the federal level should be the top priority.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Jeffree: I have a masters in Political Science. Thanks for playing.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Jeffree:Like I told you this morning, you and a few others on here have some serious issues. Its a shame you can’t even enjoy the broad base of support this has in NY state without bringing your shit to the conversation. This will be my last post to you. Like the other person, I think you both are unhealthy people. ALl i can suggest is seek help. And stop using the online situation as a way to deal with them. This will be my last post to you on this thread and likely on the site so knock yourself out obsessing over me.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: Shut the fuck up. Learn how to follow directions and orders when you are given them, bitch.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:36 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777

      You queens stop fighting + just enjoy this.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @fredo777: I am actually very much happy, especially as I said when one looks at the internals to realize that the support in my state is broad base. Here’s another poll to underscore the point:


      It means somehow the message getting through to all groups here. It could be in the nature of being NY’ers, but I think this is really cool.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:11 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      While we’re rightly celebrating, the folks over at freerepublic[dòtcôm] are having a little meltdown.

      NOM is madly censoring comments over on their blog, & I’m stuck at work sipping iced tea!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:12 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Alex

      Woohoo! Go New York! Happy Pride!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:24 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • fredo777

      @Interesting: Yeah, I was just being silly.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:31 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: lol keep dreamin’ racist fag.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:38 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: All the senators who voted against this were white, except for Diaz. White people are pretty homophobic.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:40 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      You realize that those of us in long-ish term relationships are now going to start being peppered with questions from well- meaning relatives? —“So, when are you two getting hitched?”

      I expect emails from a couple aunts / uncles & sibs & parents will be there by Sunday!

      Kind of a good problem to have, though!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:44 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      So, which state is the next one to win? I’ve been so focused on NY I’ve lost track.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:46 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      Adam, your girl Maggie says the GOP will pay a grave price for this vote. Fun read.


      The gay cons must be beside themselves tonight in deep sadness. Why?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Sebizzar

      HALLELUYAY! Now California please please please! ?+? = ? ?+? = ?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • M.


      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jeffree

      @delurker: Maggie’s worried because NOM’s failure means that her leadership & message will be called into question. She risks losing funding for NOM from members, plus the deep pockets of the RC & LDS churches (Koch brothers too, maybe?). She could lose her job.

      So now it’s her turn to explain the outcome. She’ll try blaming everyone else to deflect attention. NOM’s already threatening to throw more ca$h into NY, like you said but there’s not much they can do to undo what’s done.

      Shifts in public opinion aren’t trending in her favor.

      Let’s remember that inside workings of NOM have been expôsed by a former employee. Ouch!

      She’s no longer invincible in anyone’s eyes, so the sharks will circle. Other orgs may invade her turf.

      She can’t be sleeping easy tonight.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam

      NOM claims that God is against gay marraige…but look at this. New York and all the areas WITH gay marraige have had pretty smooth summers. But huge areas of the country that does not have gay marraige have gotten pummled by mature…sounds like, as Shug Avery Said. “Maybe God’s Tryin to tell ya Something!”

      Congratulations New York!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 7:41 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      Exactly, Cam!

      Jeffree, thanks friend! We are overjoyed, exuberant. I thought I would have slept soundly last night after it passed, but was so wound up from the past two years of blogging, emailing, hand-written letters, phone calls. I can’t believe it’s happened. For Gov. Cuomo this is an amazing accomplishment in just under one year since taking office. He came through for us.

      Kudos to the four brave republicans. Senator Grisanti’s speech was incredibly emotional and deeply felt. We owe these four a huge debt of gratitude for having the courage against all odds, to do the right thing.

      Now I can enjoy Pride weekend knowing that Mrs. Srivastava’s NOM has wasted $1.5 million in campaign funds in our state. It is predicted this will be the biggest parade ever. I daresay Gallagher will be having a conniption over her coffee this morning, maybe she’ll choke and go away. The tables have been really turned on her as well as the Catholic cult. Its beyhond embarrassing. Papa Rottweiler in the Vatican won’t be a happy camper today!

      I wish we could have seen Gov. Cuomo signing the bill. In any event, this was a very HUGE equality victory, significant not only for the state but for the entire country. Ain’t no stopping us now!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:10 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @delurker: Yes, white people are pretty homophobic. But, we all know blacks are MORE homophobic, don’t we, you racist white-hating piece of shit? Yes, we do.

      Since white people (politicians, activists, etc.) were the ones moving marriage equality through (just like in lily-white places like Iowa), you can thank white people for this vote in New York, since the vast majority of senators voting for marriage equality in New York were (surprise!) white. Again, POC played a marginal role and the fact that they were even mentioned at all by that bitch who calls himself “Interesting” is just further proof that he’s a racist slimeball. And so are you, seeing as you can’t come up with anything new to say and accuse me of being a Republican and supporting NOM.

      Both of you racist ass pigs are full of FAIL, since if it wasn’t for white people, you wouldn’t even have marriage equality as an option to begin with. Marinate on that, dumbasses.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:13 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Jeffree: It should be California. Hopefully, it will. Getting marriage equality back in the most populous and diverse state in the nation would be a sure win for the movement and an even more crushing blow to NOM.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:21 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      No. 57, I agree. A lot of white people are homophobic as we’ve seen this past few week in our state, bu if it weren’t for white people, 9 Supreme Court justices at the time of the civil right’s legislation was passed, there probably might not have been an African American in the White House today.

      California will probably see marriage equality returned to the rule of law. I think Prop. 8’s days are numbered now that New York has passed it. It’s our job now to make sure it happens in California, Maine, hopefully Rhode Island and let’s hope NOM and other hate groups won’t have any more success in overturning it in Iowa next year.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:30 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: girlfrand, remove that bloody tampon from yer cooch! you are really cranky this morning. okay, i’ll make an altar to white people for all the wonderful things they have done for me. happy?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:32 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @robert in NYC: you’re an idiot for agreeing with that racist cunt.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:33 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @delurker: Most people here agree with me, even if they don’t say it. Trolls like you and Interesting create a hostile racial environment and then you get pissed and clutch your pearls when it’s dished back to you. The difference between me and the others here is that I have no problem calling you on your bullshit.

      Everything I said in post #57 is the goddamn truth. Suck it up and deal, ho. I don’t need you bitches getting my blood pressure up this morning.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:49 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • delurker

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: wow, projection much? it’s you goproud trolls who do that with your constant race-baiting. take your bp pills, gramps. it;s just the internet. no need to get all crazy.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 10:02 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @delurker: Show me ONE damn post where I’ve supported or defended GoProud. ONE!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 10:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist

      Ain’t no stoppin’ us now, breeders!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:08 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • evanb

      Pardon me if I don’t throw confetti. Hooray, of course, for the six states and one district that permit gay human beings to marry. By my count that leaves 44 that don’t. And if a married New York couple happens to travel to NJ or PA, they are magically un-married. And when April tax time rolls around, they are un-married again in the eyes of the federal government. So this is not really an all-that victory, to me. Until the Fierce Advocate in Chief manages to form the words “marriage equality” in his otherwise eloquent mouth; until marriage for gay men and lesbians means something more than a glorified domestic partnership under another name, restricted the the borders of a handful of states, then this is not really a cause for celebration as much as a further illustration of the problem. It’s not marriage unless you’re as married in Utah as you are in New York.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:26 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      I’ve asked before, but I’ll ask again: What IS IT with hateful liberal queers using the word “troll?” It took only 16 comments on this thread that SHOULD have been all about celebrating this victory before a stupid cunt brought it up and several others joined in. FUCK! Just enjoy the victory you retards.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:29 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • David Ehrenstein


      NPH and David will tie the knot in New York when marriages officially begin at the end of July.

      THE Biggest Gay Wedding EVAH!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:47 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe

      Eat your own heart Tony Perkins. The greatest thing about all this is that those yet to be born will think of this as the non issue it is.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:55 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe

      Hey Maggot Gallagher: Include me as one of those happily tearing down the moral fabric of america. Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. Finally. The pride parade tomorrow is going to be awesome.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 11:59 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Josh

      Congrats New Yorkers, congrats Americans!! Im happy for you guys :)

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      Maggie Srivastava-Gallagher has already threatened the four republican senators in our state who voted yes. She’s vowed to go after them. What an evil unchristian bitch she is. What gives her the right to threaten anyone, especially a politician? She and her right wing organization are a menace to society. If only we could shut her down altogether. Someone, somewhere must have some dirt on her as well as on NOM.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @evanb: I agree. That is why I made comment #33. This win is important, but it needs to be kept in perspective, and movement needs to come at the federal level.

      The majority of the country and the states are anti-gay. They’ve passed laws defining marriage as between one man and one woman in response to the 2004 MA ruling. We can clap for all the more liberal places like NY that provide marriage rights, but these are rather easy wins. The big fight remains in the interior of the country and the South; not the coasts.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ewe

      @robert in NYC: let her. the republicans who are intelligent know they had better do something about the fact that their party has been reduced to a bunch of kkk cross burners.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      ewe, you’re probably right. If anything, NOM et al are polarizing and alienating the GOP even further to the right. Not a recipe for turning the 20-30+ generation on to them, the Megan McCain variety who don’t much care for the Tea Party scum controlling the GOP. There are a lot of young republicans out there who are so not into extremist right wing politics. That’s a good sign. Those who voted no last night are on the wrong side of history.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @fredo777: It is cool. Racists like Homophobes do not have sense of joy. Fact is I think the data is really good in my state. I am proud of that. That we are shifting. In t heir minds, because I include the group that they want to hate- like Maggie- they tend to react badly to it. Notice once again that I included other data in a few posts on the nature of the victory last night. Which one did they settle on to attack? Says a lot.

      This change in law will help a lot of my friends and family so that’s what counts rather than their stuff. I want to know, unlike others, what produces the numbers in my state. That’s the science part of my mind working. I curious about why public opinion is so different here than say Maryland.

      @delurker: Notice how the bigots think that numbers equal right. Maggie uses the same arguement as they do. She claims she’s got a majority of support too. Here, that’s what the racists used. Its fascinating to watch them both talk of others bigotry while putting theirs on displace.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 12:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: Shut up, racist. No one cares what you have to say, except the other racist blacks who post here.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: You have been repeatedly exposed as the black racist you are, not just by me, but everyone else who’s come in contact with you. Any crumb of credibility your stupid ass had is gone. You’re a joke. Go find another blog to spew your racist filth on.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      What’s interesting about the bigots as well is how they adopt the tactic of victimhood when they spew their racist diatribes. Maggie and the homophobes use the same techniques- including using data that has nothing to do with the discussion to back up their bias.

      Someone pointing out that we have broad based support (Democratic, some Republican, across racial groups) for equality in NY state is a “racist” because they included data across various groups in the mix while the person who randomly injecting things about Prop 8 in California- a state no where near NY state- is relevant. Only in the mind of a racist could California be considered ‘relevant” to Ny state. But that’s how bigots role. One size fit all for the hated group. Maggie meet your intellectual twin- TheREallAdam.

      The interesting thing is how they say the data of the victory in NY state regarding the public does not matter as far as how people in the NY Senate, many of them people of color, voted. .

      Then of course, there are the defenders who embolden the racists.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      I can’t find the polls at the present time but…yes, in some of the polls that I have seen, majorities of POC’s in New York support marriage equality.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      Here we go.

      Page 4, question 19 right here.

      Latino support is over 50%, black American support is not but support for marriage is in…well a statistical dead heat.


      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: Well, I included the Internals for one poll by Sienna done in April 2011:


      This information regarding the top line number, the 58 percent, is similar across several polls, including the Quinpeniac (sp?) poll, on the state of NY.

      I believe there have been at least 3. But, I can not find the internals for the other polls like the Sienna poll, which allows one to see the racial, political affiliation make up, economic background and other demographics.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: I included that data earlier. That’s why they are attacking me because I mentioned that the support was broad including POC.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      Yeah, I didn’t go through all of the links.

      Occasionally, you do come up with some Latinos polled being more for gay marriage than against. The Siena poll is the first that I’ve ever seen a majority of black Americans supported marriage equality.

      Well…our side did get Shirley Huntley’s vote. The entire black American delegation in the NY State Senate voted for gay marriage.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: If you are curious, and want to dig deeper, the data outside of marriage for POC is more complicated on other gay rights issue such as discrimination. This is a link to a GSS report that discusses the issue back in 2003 that covers broadly rather than specific to NY state, but inclusive of the general public rather than one state:

      “Despite their greater disapproval of homosexuality, blacks’ opinions on sodomy laws, gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite similar to whites’ opinions, and African Americans are more likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination. Once religious and educational differences are controlled, blacks remain more disapproving of homosexuality but are moderately more supportive of gay civil liberties and markedly more opposed to antigay employment discrimination than are whites.”

      So the data is complicated.


      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: According to at least one of the black State Senators, who I know is in a black district, she claims that she had done a survey (but non scientific) with support running in favor as well in her district. But I could not tell if she was grand standing to rationalize her change in vote so I discounted, but the support does seem to be broad based.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 1:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: Bitch, if you are going to address me (even though you said you wouldn’t), then do it directly, you cowardly piece of shit. You aren’t only being called out for the speculative bullshit you posted in this thread – you are being called out primarily because you have REPEATEDLY and MALICIOUSLY attacked white gays and lesbians without a base for doing so, and when doing so was completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. A quick search under your various names (IAbuseGays, Rocky, and Interesting, among others) would reveal that. You are a race-baiting, racist black troll, and the reason you have to constantly invent new names is because you don’t want to be identified. That’s TROLL behavior.

      And yes, you are trolling this topic because you are posting presumptions about people of color and their support for NY’s marriage equality with NO statistical measures to back it up, and also when it’s (once again, surprise!) irrelevant to the topic. You “extrapolate” and then try to pass that bullshit off as fact, and when you are confronted with ACTUAL overwhelming statistical evidence that points to how racial minorities have voted on gay rights (such as in the case of Prop 8), you try to evade the evidence and deflect from it because it doesn’t portray blacks and other minorities in a good light. That is why YOU’RE a bigot, because that’s what bigots like YOU do. I called you on it and, unsurprisingly, you couldn’t handle it. Why? Because your cagey troll ass was exposed again.

      The fact of the matter is that an overwhelming majority of WHITE senators, and the overwhelming blood, sweat, and tears of primarily white activists, voted this law into effect and made it happen. You can try to dance your racist ass around that fact, but marriage equality was put on the table because of white liberals, who have been and continue to be champions of gay rights and marriage equality more so than any other demographic in this country, and quite possibly the world over. You ignore them and refuse to give them their due credit (just as you also conveniently ignored my point about Iowa), but you and the others trolls here are quick to point out how NOM is a white organization (despite the fact that they collaborate with more-than-willing racial minorities) and try to cast white people as the bigots in every discussion anytime the discussion turns to black (or other racial minority) homophobia. Again, something that BIGOTS like YOU do.

      You don’t want to have a fair discussion. People have attempted to do so with you and you have attacked them and injected racial hatred into every discussion you have entered in to. Everything you have posted and continue to post has been one-sided, in support of your racist agenda here. You move from story to story and bring up the same agenda because you live off of your hatred for white people. I don’t care if I’m the only one who habitually calls you on it. I don’t need other people here to back me up.

      So, here’s what’s going to happen: you are going to keep posting your bullshit, and I am going to keep calling you on it, whether you like it or not, and whether you are posting under a different name or not. I hope you enjoy the status quo, troll.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      No. 87, the overwhelming racial makeup of the ten foreign governments that legalized same-sex marriage were white of course.

      As for NOM, they use African Americans or any other racial minority to peddle their psycho talk. They select the dumbest, uneducated people they can find and exploit them. David Tyree is a classic example of that. Odd though, that NOM would use him since he’s living with his girlfriend and expecting their second child. They never married. Not what I would call espousing family values and the sanctity of marriage bullshit they pedal and don’t even practice themselves.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Is NOM to blame for California blacks OVERWHELMINGLY voting for a liberal black president at the same time they voted to deny gays rights?

      Rather than invent strawmen, it seems that gays would be better off dealing with reality and the REAL enemy.

      And for anyone keeping score: Four New York Republicans have evolved and publicly endorsed something that your liberal president won’t. And I’m sure the liberal establishment, the media, the DNC (which allegedly cares about gay rights), and the HRC will do everything they can to destroy them in their next election. It’s pathetic and predictable.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: I might not agree with everything you’re saying, but I love the way you’re saying it. I fucking hate the cunts on this board who continuously throw shit and THEN expect anyone who disagrees with them to be civil and play nice. That might have worked in the past, but the rules have changed.

      Kudos, and keep up your fight!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 2:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      dan4, it won’t be the DNC and HRC trying to destroy the 4 republicans who courageously stuck their necks out to support us, but NOM will be taking care of it according to republican Brian Brown’s message today. He said he’s going to fight it at the ballot box and going after the four. Republicans fighting republicans, sad. I and some friends are going to do all we can to make sure the 4 remain in office, and I’m not even a democrat or a republican. We’ve already notified them asking what we can do to help in their districts in any way we can. I think its the decent thing to do as a thank you.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      I am aware of that 25 year study study but there are also stats that I’ve read that show that blacks are becoming more homophobic.

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: Uh, what about all the white folks in overwhelmingly white states (i.e. Wisconsin, Oregon) that have the exact same anti-gay marriage statutes on the books.

      And since you briugh up Iowa, I very highly doubt that Keith Ratliff, head of the Iowa NAACP and an opponent of marriage equality) held sway over all those white Iowa voters that chose not to retain those 3 judges.

      So all of the data that you are choosing to focus on puts white folks in a good like and that is equally disingenious (sp?)

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • puptent69

      BREAKING NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      REV PHELPS ADMITS HE’S GAY!!!!!!!!!!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      Now if you want to dig deeper into the NY stats, look at the trends.

      IIRC, those black New Yorker numbers showed a 23% pt. difference in opposition and approval of marriage equality not even a year ago.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      “Republicans fighting republicans….”

      @Robert: Might I recomment that you get your house in order first. Witness this cunt-tastic threat that should’ve been all about celebrating your victory.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 3:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Chitown Kev: No, it’s not disingenuous. I am perfectly willing to admit that there are white bigots – I’ve NEVER made excuses for white bigotry against gays or tried to deny it. But it’s also clear that the overwhelming support comes from white liberals, and that’s really the only demographic that it overwhelmingly comes from, when it comes down to it. That’s the only point I was trying to make.

      It’s useless to mention white bigotry against gays when whites are also the very people making equality happen. So, what is your point, in the end?

      @robert in NYC: NOM is a shit organization no matter who they use to spread their bigotry. The fact that they target racial minorities and that racial minorities participate is just ridiculous.

      @dan4: I actually prefer not to argue. But that little racist shithead has made trolling an art form.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      But why the neeed for an adjective like black and white before bigots?

      Oh, and all but one black NY State Senator (Diaz, who is black but not African American) voted for it in this case.

      Without those votes, marriage equality doesn’t pass.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      And, @Robert: Thanks for supporting those four and making it about the ISSUE and not the partisanship. I HOPE you’ll be able to convince HRC and other liberal special-interest groups to do the same. (I don’t expect it, but I will hope.)

      I cross party lines to do everything I can to support people like Joe Liebermann and Hillary Clinton because they’re allies on the HUGE issues I care about – maintaining American exceptionalism and superiority in the world and, when necessary, bombing our enemies into oblivion.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: The key element of the study to me is it would suggest the relationship may be about class rather ethan anything else. Blacks are being reached out to be NOM and other groups while gay white groups rely on generalizations about blacks not being reachable. If they are reachable in the reverse, that means that their position is not set in stone no more than any other group is. The problem, of course, is the expectations that blacks shouldn’t be reached out to other than by folks like NOM. The thing that makes the bigots here angry is not that I don’t admit to the complexity. Its that I don’t just say blacks are bigots and that means things like its okay for them to use racial epitaphs or statements like “we should have never marched with them in the 60s” or “I can see why people are racist” etc. There’s a difference between identifying a problem, finding solutions and what they are doing. What they are doing is bigotry because its not interested in solutions. In fact, no matter how much data is thrown at them- they keep returning as you can see to tired comments disproven by Nate Silver amongst others about Prop 8. What Prop 8 has to do with again NY state- I don’t know. But they think it does, and this is the issue I am combating here. The bigots believe that they can use Prop 8 to push racism just as the homophobes believe they can use ignorance to push bigotry against gays.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: By the way, one of the problems of tryin to cover people of color on any issue, including gay rights issues, is that they are often only done as a poll of the greater population rather than targeting them for separate polling. The point you are raising seems to grow out this issue. Its hard to know the exact numbers precisely because people rely on narratives rather than hard data. I am trying to convey the complexity of that data to anyone who will listen rather than relying on narratives.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: One other follow up. Real Adam is a straight up racist. Give you an example. There was this article on here about whether blacks versus gays experience more prejudice.

      My argument was that the whole discussion was absurd. That it is engaging in the Oppression Olympics.

      Real Adam kept saying that it wasn’t. That in fact gays face more prejudice. That is not the part that turned him from playing Oppression Olympics to proving he was a bigot. The part that did that was his double standards. There was one black lesbian claiming she felt gay was faced with more discrimination. There was another saying she felt she had experienced more racism.

      What was Adam’s response? If you guessed that he lauded the woman claiming to face more discrimination as a lesbian while telling the woman that she imagined it when it came to racism, you would be right.

      Again, the issue here is that they are impervious to anything other than the narrative that they are peddling. The data as you said is mixed on exactly where blacks are- some saying it may be worse and other better, but mixed. I would agree with that. That’s the whole point that i have repeatedly made to them.

      The response? To claim that I am a racist for not accepting blanket statements like blacks are homophobes, etc. Another example, I mentioned that the data suggest that at best the split is 60/40 on marriage equality. I don’t pretend that number is good. What I said is that it a product of one side pushing for inequality while the other mostly ignores the black community. The best non-bigotted response is that ‘why aren’t there more black gay groups to push equality in the straight black community.” That would be fair rebuttal if unrealistc because of the financial reality that the black community, including gays as a subset, has less money. SO the resources aren’t there for black gay groups to do anything. But it would be a fair response.

      Do I get that as a response? No. What I get is blacks are the reason that gay whites are lacking in rights. This despite the fact that stastically, even in CA, its a numerical impossibility in terms of what they are arguing. In other words, I have tried to be fair here. But they are racists. Not everyone, but quite a few. The problem at this site is that there are some who want to defend the bigots. Why, I do not know. There is a way to talk about racie that does not entail demonizing black people. Theyaren’t choosing that route. As I have said, if you spend 30 years reaching out to blacks like you do whites, you would likely see similar shifts, but it would probably entail a different apporach likely based on class. I believe that a lack of discussion of how homophobia impacts gays in terms of lower wages, losing housing etc would be a more effective narrative in the black community.

      To which, among other things- I was asked how was it like working at McDonalds by one of the racists here.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Chitown Kev: Because the troll “Interesting, aka IAbuseGays, Joseph, Rocky” etc. casts everything in racial terms, mostly against white people. You need to view his posts here to understand. My comments don’t just randomly exist on their own in this thread. There’s a history to them.

      And I’m not sure what your point is by mentioning the black senators who voted yes. My point was that white liberals are primarily responsible for gay rights legislation. That includes a sprinkling of other races and ethnic groups, too, but they aren’t and never have been at the forefront of gay rights. Instead, they’ve often been indifferent, or part of the opposition; and despite any criticisms, the Prop 8 case entirely shows that.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: That situation doesn’t prove I’m a “racist,” you dumb shit. You don’t even know what that word means. It means that that situation could be interpreted in any number of ways, and that’s the way I saw it. Just because someone claims a racist experience doesn’t mean I or anyone else has to take it at face value. It may very well have been because of racism, and it may not.

      And ChitownKev knows me and my posts a helluva lot more than you, because he’s been here a helluva lot longer than you.

      @ChitownKev – Here is the link to the story that “Interesting” is talking about:


      You can see my responses. You can also see how “Interesting, aka IAbuseGays” attacks anyone who disagrees with him, including Shannon1981, a black lesbian. He is out of his mind.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: My only 2 screen names have been Iabusegays and Intresting.

      One I changed because you and Jeffree kept complaing that it was homophobic to make a joke about my sex life, remember?

      And then when I changed screen names so that you would stop complaining about it, you then complained that I changed screen names.

      You are a straight up racist:

      “Since white people (politicians, activists, etc.) were the ones moving marriage equality through (just like in lily-white places like Iowa), you can thank white people for this vote in New York, since the vast majority of senators voting for marriage equality in New York were (surprise!) white. Again, POC played a marginal role”

      That’s a comment by you in that race does not matter in the state of freakin’ NY.

      I know if your brain you are right, but in reality it makes you a bigot no matter how many times you try to spin it. That’s why others chime in agreeing with me. They agree. You can’t handle that so you try to claim their agreement is due to them being me. Its sad.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      here’s the other stuff:

      No. 66 · TheRealAdam · Member · 417 comments
      @jt: I don’t get the constant references to her celebrity status. She was black and gay before she became a celebrity, so maybe she is speaking from that experience. And you really have no evidence that your dark blackness is what scared this “white girl.” It could’ve just been the fact that you’re a man…or you just startled her. Anybody could react that way.

      Posted: Jun 5, 2011 at 11:19 pm · @Reply · [Flag?]
      No. 67 · TheRealAdam · Member · 417 comments
      @Shannon1981: And you’re entitled to feel that way, like Wanda.

      Shannon being someone who I talked to about the subprime, and oddly discussing “welfare”.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: Oh, so you’re not ignoring me now? Wonderful.

      As for the rest of your comment:

      BULL. SHIT. You are really reaching here, IAbuseGays, Interesting, Joseph, Rocky, Ernest, Hunter, RLS, …shall I go on? Quit trying to call me out and take my comments out of context, because you FAIL every single time.

      God, you are so annoying. I’m tired of owning you.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Aiden

      @Interesting: Don’t Interesting, he just likes to see himself write. I’ve seen plenty of his posts and realized a while back he as a huge issue when it comes to race.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike in Asheville

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: @Interesting: NOT TAKING SIDES HERE, But facts are facts and who voted and how they voted are facts:

      NY Senate

      9 Black/African-American Members
      7 Hispanic, Asian, Puerto Rican Members
      46 White/Caucasian Members

      Vote on Marriage Equity by Race

      Black/African-American: YES: 9 (100%) NO: 0 (0%)
      Hispanic/Asian/Puerto Rican: YES: 6 (86%) NO: 1 (14%)
      Caucasian: YES: 17 (38%) NO: 28 (62%)

      ALL Black Senators and all but Rueben Diaz Hispanic/Asian/Puerto Rican SUPPORTED marriage; just 17 of 46 white members supported marriage.

      [BTW, I’m white who, for more than 30 years, have enjoyed being an equal-opportunity slut.]

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Mike in Asheville: LOL. Equality opportunity slut. A guy after my own sense of humor.

      By the way, there aren’t two sides to facts. So, don’t feel worried. If the facts and analysis said something different, that showed I was wrong about NY state, that would be the right thing rather than what I am saying. That’s how it should be rather than picking sides.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      I’m well aware that he is a racist.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Aiden: Agree. I keep falling into the trap. Should have stopped after the first post.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      I’d bet that race mattered to him in Maryland though.

      But clearly in New York, marriage would have failed without the votes of racial/ethnic minorities.

      He can’t get around that fact.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Aiden: You’re right, I do. Because there are far too many racist black queens here who need to get over themselves and their illogical obsessions with attacking white gays. I’ll say it here and I’ll keep saying it as long as I damn well please.

      And it’s funny that the only people calling me “racist” are these black queens themselves. Tell you what: you keep saying it, and I’ll keep “believing” it. Good times.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      I actually don’t attack white gays at all, I’m simply attacking and calling you racist ass out.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 5:58 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Mike in Asheville: Thanks for the post. This just confirms what I already knew: that white gay liberals are the primary movers of marriage equality, which is what I’ve been saying all along. The total number of POC is marginal. They were needed in the Senate, but the role of POC is and has been marginal when it comes to gay rights. Simple.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Chitown Kev: LOL! And I should give two shits because?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      So they’re white gay rights, then…at least to you? LOL

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:05 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Chitown Kev: Hardly. They’re gay rights for all, of course, as it should be.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:08 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: I think Aiden has the best response to RealAdam

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:15 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: No,he will just ignore the data about the black people and latinos. they don’t matter. that’s what he did with the data. Which says the opposite of what he thinks, and then says that proves him right. That’s why he’s just not worth the effort. Today should be a celebration of a great victory that it took many people- gay, straight, white, black, democratic and even republican to achieve. That’s why I posted what I said early in this thread. That’s the whole point. the beauty of this victory was that everyone had a part in it.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:18 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @Interesting: Just because more white liberals voted for marriage equality than all minorities combined, and just because racial minorities aren’t and have never been at the forefront of the gay rights movement, doesn’t mean that the data is “ignored.” All I did was qualify it, as it confirms what I previously stated.

      You have problems.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      “…the beauty of this victory was that everyone had a part in it.”

      Except, notably, this Democratic president. Again, those who vote on this one set of issues (as many Queerty posters proudly claim they do) are simply retarded for continuing to support Barry and his administration.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:48 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @dan4: 29 Democrats voted for this. 4 Republicans. You do the math.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 6:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Interesting: But where was the president?! Can’t you fucking read? THAT was my point you retard!

      Celebrate those 4, by the way. They’re FAR more “evolved” than your liberal fucking president, you cunt.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 7:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason

      Most of those celebrating the gay marriage win weren’t even involved in the activism. They are lazy spectators. They sit around doing nothing while others do the hard work. When the fruits of the activists’ labor come to fruition, these lazy spectators are jumping up and down and celebrating as if it’s their own achievement.

      Can I just say to these lazy spectators on the gay scene: you really are a bunch of tossers.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 7:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • jason

      We all know that the New York Republican Party is the party of white men.

      As for the racial mix in all this, I think it’s great that the black senators voted for gay marriage equality. However, where are the black people at the celebrations? I hardly saw any. There were a couple of brave souls there but it’s amazing how few blacks are prepared to share in the joy of gay marriage rights.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 7:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      “We all know that the New York Republican Party is the party of white men.”

      @Jason: I WONDER why blacks continue to support a party and economic policies that are absolutely against their interests…… It takes a lot to keep them on the plantation. But as we saw in California in 08 with their overwhelming support of Barry while voting to deny gays rights, some bridges ARE too far.

      “I’ll have those niggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”
      – President Lyndon B. Johnson

      Jun 25, 2011 at 7:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      Yes, I can read you and other troll ranting. I will leave you to your games.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:10 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4


      Another hateful liberal fag who uses the word “troll” instead of making a real point based on reality and facts.


      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Queer Supremacist

      @IAbuseGays: You’re calling anyone else on this board a troll and accusing them of playing games?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:29 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @Queer Supremacist: It’s rich, isn’t it? God, I hate these intolerant and hateful liberals.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @dan4: I believe Queer Supremacist is a liberal.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @TheRealMannequinAdam: In my experience, he/she isn’t hateful or intolerant though. (As MANY of the liberals here are.) And he/she has a link to Fred Karger, a Republican who is MUCH more evolved than our president. So I’m a fan.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TheRealMannequinAdam

      @dan4: OK.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Careful, Adam: We’e going to ruin our reputations for being uncompromising and bigoted TROLLS! :)

      Jun 25, 2011 at 8:45 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Raphael

      OK, I’m not a regular queerty poster and I only frequent the gay blogosphere when major news items pass, but even to an outsider like me, it’s obvious that _one_ poster is the source of all the hostility and rancor in this thread: TheRealMannequinAdam, specifically starting in post 34, when he resolutely denies the possibility of colored folk having “ANYTHING to do with this”, and then had to throw any civility this thread possessed out the window by blurting out, “You’re a fucking tool. Racist.”

      like dude, srsly. chill. wtf is that guy’s problem? why can’t we all appreciate this milestone event and the progress that we gays, of all colors, have made and contributed to?

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      WRONG, Raphael: delurker set the tone at post 16. These stupid queens couldn’t WAIT to interupt their party for some partisan and retarded hatemongering. A bunch of cunts, if you ask me.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ganondorf


      Don’t be modest. Even if we don’t ask you, you’ve already told us.

      This comment section is shit (like so many here for some reason). Doesn’t matter who’s to blame. It’s done.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Ganandorf: I know you cunts wish those of us who disagree with the “civil” liberal groupthink would SHUT UP, but it isn’t gonna happen. So, fuck off!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ganondorf


      Yeah. You’re not very intelligent, but you are very angry. It’s quite unjustifiable, really. In fact, I’m pretty confident that you don’t even know why you’re angry. It’s not a republican vs. democrat, or conservative vs. liberal world. That’s a distraction, and a useful one. Identity politics is largely for stupid and useful folks herded like the cattle that they are into voting booths every election cycle. We live in a vastly complex world that isn’t described at all by such limited and pointless squabbling and fictional narrative. Individual issues, not identity. The fifties are over, June.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 9:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @Ganandorf: Don’t be modest! You’re quite the retarded therapist-wannabe. And SO appreciated!!!!! It’s like you know JUST what the world needs: your diagnosis! We’re all BEGGING for it!


      I can’t wait for you to diagnose the retarded, hateful and judgemental Obamabot CUNTS who continue to defend him and his “evolution.”

      THANKS for doing what you do!!! You’re the very best!

      Jun 25, 2011 at 10:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ganondorf

      Ah. Let’s talk to the natives.

      I’m not defending anyone here. There isn’t a post here worth defending.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 10:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Ganandorf: Better to keep your judgement and projection and political science/psychological pretend babble to yourself then, isn’t it, you retarded cunt?

      As I said a LONG time ago today: the stupid queens on this board JUST couldn’t wait to start in with their partisan hatemongering and typical cunty behavior. They SHOULD have been celebrating, but they HAVE to keep everyone on the plantation.

      Jun 25, 2011 at 10:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Ganondorf


      You’re very confused and angry. Tilting at windmills, only not that interesting. I can imagine in real life you’re nothing but a beta male–a compliant little kitten. That’s why we see such exuberance online. I’m not, and if you ever called me a cunt in the real world, I would end your life. I’d snap your neck like a dry twig, and laugh as you lay dying. Congratulations on marriage equality, kitten.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 12:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      “…the beauty of this victory was that everyone had a part in it.”

      Except, notably, this Democratic president”

      I agree with this and that’s a good thing.

      NY gays DIDN’T need President Obama to get this done. Everyone else should take notes…you don’t need POTUS…at least not right now.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 1:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev:The structure of the law is that marriage is a group of laws based in state, federal and international laws. The President’s position is not only wrong, but dangerously so.

      What happens if someone in NY has an accident in South Carolina? What happens if the couple moves to Wyoming with kids they adopted in NY? That’s not even discussing the federal rights. He knows know this as much as I do that his position from a legal standpoint, moral standpoint and political one is b.s.

      Beyond the legal and political, the moral dimension of what the President is doing is indefensible. Like LBJ and JFK before him (LBJ famously straddling the fence in the 50s), he will either get in front of this issue, or he will go down as someone on the wrong side of history. This issue is moving fast. faster than the president or his supporters are willing to admit. The polling data you mentioned as changing in less than a year is changing because we are at a tipping point. This has been happening for over a decade- the shift of the Overton Window. To sit on the fence now is to straddle evil on the one hand, and justice on the other. The president can no longer hide.

      My rebuttal to dan stands as how one should view the issue- the fact is that the Democrats right now are far more likely to support gay equality just in terms of the numbers. Its a simply matter of match- who votes for what. The lack of moral leadership from the president (which is one of the chief functions of his job) is a problem. It means that an issue that is about to break through completely changing the lives of millions is held, at least from the top, in check. The Potus is not sufficient to changing the country, but he is necessary.

      Your comment seems to not recognize what the historic role of Presidents are. They are not only the political leadership of the country. They are moral leaders of the political class as well. In that regard, on this and many other issues, this president has been a utter failure.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      Ganandorf: You’re very convinced that I GIVE A FUCK what you and your 2 classes of junior college psycho babble think about ME! You’re obviously a violent and disturbing cunt! Thanks for exposing yourself, you piece of shit. You did far more damage to your “mature,” “creative” and “insightful” perspective than I ever could. Thanks!

      And: BRING IT, FUCKER!!!! People like you don’t scare anyone – especially me!

      Jun 26, 2011 at 1:50 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @Chitown Kev: You’re right. We don’t need this president for anything at all – in terms of economic, security, or social policy. He does FAR more damage than good with just about everything he touches. (Ask the family of a fallen soldier he ignorantly hurt last week.)

      I hope those who vote on this one set of issues will immmediately reconsider their blind support for him and his administration. He has failed the LGBT community, and all of America and he must go.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 1:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      I did not mean that in the spirit of your commentary.


      I recognize the role of the president in these matters but it’s not a matter of gays needing the president, it’s a matter of the president needing the gays or, to be more specific, the issue of marriage equality.

      Yeah, there’s that moral leadership but the man is also a politician. LBJ’s gutting of the Civil Rights Act of 1957 (when he served as Senate Majority Leader) was morally reprehensible…FDR’s refusal to push anti-lynching legislation is a nother example that I would cite.

      The best example would be Woodrow Wilson’s tepid support of woman’s suffrage (and that was an issue in which Wilson “evolved” in very much the same sense that Obama is here).

      President Obama is really acting no differently from any other President and it is in the light of previous history that I judge Obama.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 5:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • matthew glitter

      OH NO! Does this mean that….IAN BERNARDO can get married now?? AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

      Jun 26, 2011 at 6:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: I am not into the Oppression Olympics so your phrasing over more or less bothers me regarding racial discrimination versus bigotry against gays. This is not something I am willing to agree to. We can not know other people’s suffering. If it was wrong for Wanda Sykes to claim that gays suffer more now. Its wrong for blacks to say that blacks suffer more. Remember at the same time gays were being murdered and put in jail too. Our very existence has only been decriminalized in the last 10 years. We world wide faced jail and death. In much of the world- we still do. That’s why moral leadership matters.

      While blacks were being lynched, gays were being put in concentration camps. We can not know each others suffering. We can only admit it was happening, that each was evil and do something about it. The best we can do is to create law and social rules that approximate a situation in which we decrease suffering as much as possible. That’s the only thing I am willing to do. So, I will leave that part out of my discussion that seeks to compare and contrast with you other than to say what I just said about the need for equality under the law.

      Let’s go to Obama. Obama isn’t a President in those eras. He is not a man of those eras. He’s a product of ours. In our era, we have an enlighted, or are supposed, understanding of equality. If we are no beter, if he is no better, than the bigots that are around him, and if he has learned nothing from LBJ’s mistakes in the 50s- then that’s a sad tableau about him. Its not to be lauded or excused. Just as MLK was not willing to excuse LBJ. Just MLK pressured LBJ.

      There is no confusion about what the gay community wants. It wants equality. Not just in marriage but in all things that makes us Americans, and humans. The most importnat being the last part. Because whatever excuses the president wants to use, the fact is his treatment of us makes us seem to be a little less human than straights. I don’t see the value of rationalizing that. I don’t see how the evils of the past justifies it. Your formulation of this president seeks to make him lesser than he should be. My view of him is that we needs to be better and stop being a coward. History will judge him just like you are now judging those evils fo the past. No one thinks- oh, those who supported Jim Crow were okay for doing so because it was politically expedient. They think of it as evil that should not be repeated.

      Jun 26, 2011 at 6:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      @ChitownKev: You didn’t have to. But it more than works since this president it worthless. THANKS!

      Jun 27, 2011 at 9:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • james_from_cambridge

      @dan4: The term “stupid cunt” was invented for you, you Gopproud whore.

      Jun 27, 2011 at 9:42 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      Since Obama hasn’t declared support for marriage equality, although he supports states passing it, who among the GOP contenders, Bachmann, Romney, Pawlenty, Huntsman, Gingrich, or Paul is going to support marriage equality at the federal level once their campaigns are under way? Will they support passage of ENDA too? I always thought the GOP was a party of inclusion and equality in our state. Why weren’t there at least half voting YES? 29 out of 30 democrats voted yes, and only 4 out of 32 republicans. Are we going to see Chris Barron or Ryan Greenawalt addressing the convention in 2012? If not, why not? Will Ron Paul speak up on our behalf?

      Jun 27, 2011 at 10:05 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • robert in NYC

      Ron Paul is only polling about 7% of support, no way near enough to get elected.

      Jun 27, 2011 at 10:07 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      When the poll numbers move, so will the president. Period.

      That’s the way it is, the way it has always been, and probably the way it always be.

      I appreciate and even agree with your idealism but that has little or nothing to do with the reality of what presidents actually do and I can cite even more example.

      Also, I am NOT looking at or playing Oppression Olympics. Far from it. I am saying that in each case, each President (or LBJ as Senate Majority Leader) acted in the way. and…no we are no better than in ages past…I AM saying exactly that.

      The United States has NEVER been a “world leader” in civil rights.

      Jun 27, 2011 at 11:20 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      @Chitown Kev: Except LBJ did not wait for the polls in 1963.

      Jun 27, 2011 at 9:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Interesting

      And when we were discussing LBJ in the 50s, he wasn’t President. He was a Senate Leader. A different function. No one expects a Senate leader to be the moral leader of the party. People do expect that of the president. between teh two men, one of them gets it, and one of them doesn’t it. I think history will look poorly on Obama for this. As it looks favorably on LBJs courage. I think like many Obama supporters you rationalize history to fit what you want to believe about the president. I have a friend like this. On the day that everyone was saying congrats to the Dem in ny state who won by sayin she supported medicare- Obama talked about deficit reductions. My friend- like you – was full of excuses to why he would do something that counter to what the party leadership and the voters of the district were interested in talking about. At the end fo the day- the excuses are thin because they suffer from the fact we know the president now for the last 2 years. He’s been average to weak in a period fo time that required a stronger leader. I don’t care if he’s black. The reality is that he’s not doing a good job for this country. Or for black people if we were to really get into that.

      Jun 27, 2011 at 9:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • dan4

      jim from cum rag: i can smell your cooch from here. clean up, fucker!

      Jun 27, 2011 at 10:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • james_from_cambridge

      @dan4: Wow…like all Gopproud shitstains, you’re about ten or eleven years old, mentally, is my guess.

      Jun 28, 2011 at 8:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev


      Yes he did.

      Remember, the Voting Rights Act did not go through until 1965…after the 1964 election. He told MLK that he couldn’t do the VRA and get reelected.

      Jun 28, 2011 at 1:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Chitown Kev

      No one expects a Senate leader to be the moral leader of the party.

      He is when the President is a Republican (or of the opposite party)-as was the case in 1957).

      Jun 28, 2011 at 1:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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