A federal appeals court has ruled against self-described “former homosexual” minister James Domen, the pastor of Church United in Southern California. Domen had sued the popular video hosting site Vimeo for flagging and removing his videos which promoted conversion therapy.
The Blaze reports that the appeals court made its ruling based on Section 230, a provision in the law that prevents liabilities by tech companies for hosting content from outside parties on their websites.
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In 2018, Domen had his videos promoting what he calls “sexual orientation change efforts,” or SOCE–another name for conversation therapy–deleted by the site for violating terms of use. Vimeo has banned all videos promoting conversion therapy, deeming them harmful for viewers. Vimeo had previously flagged the videos and sent a warning to Domen that they violated website standards, which he ignored. The website then responded by deleting Domen’s account, as well as more than 100 videos.
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Domen then sued, though he lost his case in January 2020. His loss in appeals court is just the latest blow to a career of already dubious distinction. On his website, Domen features images of himself with NFL player Tim Tebow and former Vice President Mike Pence. He also features a clip from an episode of The 700 Club of him detailing his struggle to accept his homosexuality and his claims that SOCE/conversion therapy allowed him to become straight by seeking and reveling in groups of masculine men.
Somehow, we’re skeptical.
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Chrisk
Yawn. Minister, Pastor, the 700 club. Yeah, the creator of the whole Universe which is billions of light years in size really cares what you do with your dick.
I get it that religion is the main reason for this. That’s why you’ll never see Atheist’s that are ex gay. At least he’s predictable. Of course they all are.
Erik
There is no shortage of atheists who are homophobic though. They either defend the anti-gay interpretations of the Bible, and vilify anyone who refutes those interpretations, or they invoke philosophy or science to justify homophobia.
Cam
@Erik
I’ve never seen an organization of Atheists’ pushing for anti-LGBTQ laws.
boblrice
@Erik
I think you need to look up what an Atheist is. An Atheist most definitely wouldn’t defend biblical doctrine.
Donston
If you’re really into masculine guys won’t being around them make you want them even more, or does it just reveal how annoying and basic so many of these “masculine men” are?
We keep seeing this “conversion therapy” and “ex-gay” stuff primarily because a lot of people don’t know how to properly handle their traumas and f-ed up egos. A lot of folks think embracing a “queer lifestyle” or a gay/queer identity will cure their depression, mental illness, self-loathing, inferiority complexes, feelings of worthlessness. When that doesn’t work they go another direction. And then there’s people who can’t handle their sexual/gender fluidity, the contradictions in their sexuality, their masculine insecurities, where they are in the gender, romantic, sexual, affection, emotional investment, commitment spectrum. So, they blame it all in the “gays”, as if they’re responsible for all their traumas and issues and dimensions and insecurities.
I’ve said it many times, but I don’t care how people live their lives. Once you start promoting hate and prejudice and you lean on the backs of religion to support it, you reveal yourself to be as fragile and weak-minded as you’ve ever been.
rand503
Exactly. All these so-called ex-gays always want to blame “the gay lifestyle” for everything that went wrong in their life. The complain that they were ‘used and abused’ by other gay men who just wanted them for sex. Gosh! They were just totally unable to say no! They were forced to troll for sex on Grindr! They were just dancing at a gay club and guys kept groping them!
(not to mention that none of them EVER sympathize with women who indeed used and abused by straight men!).
They never seem to know any gay men who are in a perfectly good and loving relationship, it’s because they didn’t want that for themselves.
Yes, you are right — all these guys are screwed up in the head and are just blaming us for their unhappiness, and they think they can find acceptance and love from the very people who hate them. They will come out of this even more screwed up.
Manray
He’s as ex-gay as i am. I’ll bet he’s the glory hole darling of the video arcade
Donston
There’s a good chance he’s still indulging homo behaviors. But maybe he’s genuinely chosen to abstain. Or maybe fluidity pushed him into being more sexually into females or at least sexually into women to whatever degree. Or maybe he was more into dudes due to the romantic, affection, emotional investment, relationship contentment aspects of orientation. Either way, that’s not really the point. No matter his lifestyle, his dimensions, his identities, his traumas and insecurities, where he is in the orientation spectrum- the actual problem is the anti-gay and homo shaming rhetoric and using religion to support hate.
Cam
@Donston
What I tend to notice, is that if people are actually into women because they’re bisexual, then they don’t spend all of their time thinking about all things gay.
The ex-gays are obsessed because they can’t stop thinking about it. And of course, as you mentioned, are using their own baggage to push hate and attack the rest of us.
Donston
I was talking about fluidity. You know, that subject you keep trying to dismiss. People’s attractions, desires, enjoyment, passions, who they like pleasing, their sexual comfort, their sex drives, their fetishes, etc. can evolve over time. And yes, there’s actually plenty of gay/queer identifying guys who claim to have some attractions towards women or claim to enjoy or have enjoyed sexually enjoying with women. Some “queers” lose their sex drive over time. And therefore, they think they’ve been “cured”. And as I’ve said for the umpteenth time, the gender, romantic, sexual, affection, emotional investment, commitment spectrum is incredibly wise and varied. It’s always a mistake to strictly use your dimensions or experiences to judge others. Of course, there are many who just don’t want to be “gay” because they want a traditional hetero family or because they’re overwhelmed by insecurities, traumas, internal and eternal homophobia, and mental health problems.
You’re obsession with making everything and everybody basic and alike is bothersome. There are of course patterns. However, all of that is beside the point. The point is that he’s promoting himself as “born again” and an “ex gay” and using that to support hatred and prejudice. That’s the only real point. Once you start judging other people’s identities or lifestyle choices you start becoming problematic. He’s also promoting a specific conversion program, which means he’s likely trying to scam people out of money as we as troll “gays”.
Donston
Furthermore, we generally need to place more focus on guys who genuinely want to be with a guy and are unabashed about their same-sex passions, affections, love, emotional investment, commitment. “Queers” need to stop being so obsessed with these “other” guys and what they’re doing or identifying as, unless those guys are being leeches/problematic/homo-shaming/pushing anti-gay rhetoric. The obsession doesn’t do anything for anyone. We also like to forget that sex is not the be-all to people’s lives. There are plenty of men who use women for sex, ego boosts to keep detached from “gay”!but are overall homo-leaning when it comes to their romantic passions, emotional investment, relationship comfort, commitment contentment. We really put way too much importance on sex, and the people who do that often don’t even know much about sexuality.
Fahd
Vimeo acted in good faith in policing his content. He violated their TOS. He can’t sue.
No wonder Trump and supporters want to repeal this section 230. Without it, they could tie up private internet providers in endless lawsuits that could lead to authoritarian leaders controlling content or a breakdown of internet communications. Such a destructive force he was!
This writer or Queerty would do a service by explaining Section 230 and the controversy surrounding it. Simply rehashing vague content from another vague content provider leaves the reader guessing about the apparent contradictions and what is really going on with content policing or “censorship” on the internet.
BlueStateMan
He’s just another snake oil salesman trying to profit off dumbass christians. American capitalism at its best.
Mr. Stadnick
When will he be an ex-ex-gay?
gevorg
xmeet.fun <- the best project for single men who are looking for partner for sex!
tjack47
The self-loathing gay man is trying to convert others to loathe themselves.
blackhook
Yikes, another wacko ‘Christian’ minister. Pretty sure we can all agree that Christianity is the biggest fraud in history.
Tombear
Follow the science. Evangelicals don’t get vaccinated. Let them all die as far as I’m concerned.