
Are you without a partner? Or struggling to find one? Do you put it down to just bad luck or do you think there’s something that makes other people not look at you as relationship material?
A post on Reddit has prompted a discussion amongst gay guys on this very topic.
A 36-year-old man posted in the AskGayBrosOver30 subreddit. He wrote: “I feel like a good portion of my thirties has been a series of unsuccessful relationships. It’s weird to think the less reformed and more chaotic version of me was more capable of relationships than the current me is.
“I understand it’s a vicious rabbit hole to go down, but I sometimes wonder if there’s something about me that I’m not seeing or not knowing and it’s holding me back. I’ve asked friends for honest feedback, and they’ve all said I seem like someone who would be a great partner someday.”
He said he lived a full life and had plenty of friends and interests, “But I come home at night and can’t help feel like I’m missing out on a bigger puzzle piece in my life.”
Many other guys said they had pondered the same thing, and some had come up with self-reflective answers.
Drink and drugs
“Turns out being an alcoholic was holding me back,” said one man.
“Brought a buddy back to my place a couple years ago and he noticed how many empty bottles I had in my kitchen. While we had a good time that night, he later said to me ‘I noticed your collection in there and figured you had a personal dragon to slay first before you could get serious with anyone.’”
He went on to reveal he was now nearly six months sober. Other guys said they’d never thought their drinking or drug use put off potential partners, but it was something to think about.
Another man suggested it was because he was on the autism spectrum. Others on the spectrum agreed that they found dating a challenge.
“After you shave off the sensory overload, social awkwardness, communication skills, inner world, and, attention drifts, there are the anxiety issues that just make relationships so difficult on my end,” wrote one.
Another added, “I couldn’t authentically emotionally connect to others because I could emotionally connect to myself.” Thankfully, therapy had helped him to explore his emotions and not run away from vulnerability. One has to be open to the possibility of heartbreak if one wants to be open to the possibility of love.
It’s not all about you
One guy made the very salient point that “We all have undatable characteristics, or personality traits that make us hard to be around. Everyone. Especially the people who don’t think they have any at all; they’re the worst … we’re all imperfect, we all get triggered, we all have defense mechanisms.”
Another guy cautioned anyone from fully blaming themselves for their single status. There could be multiple reasons at play.
“The amount of people we get in our dating pool changes so much. There used to be three gay bars in my city. Now the nearest bar is in Toronto, hours away by car. It could also be you, yeah. But don’t put so much on yourself. It’s all random. It’s a lot not you.”
Others talked about relationships involving work and compromise; This is something some people are unprepared for.
“Lots of folks won’t accept that relationships take compromise. It makes any sort of LTR unsustainable when everything and anything is a dealbreaker,” thought one man.
Making bad relationship choices
Others said that many gay guys chase the wrong guys. This may be related to internalized feelings of inadequacy or homophobia.
“I don’t think character flaws are the issue. Most gay men are simply going for the wrong guys based on what they think they want,” said one.
Some guys who are in relationships also responded.
“I’m currently in a LTR of many years but I’ve thought if it ended, I might have a hard time maintaining a relationship. I like a lot of independence and can be difficult and stubborn. At 41, I’m kinda set in my ways. I can also be moody and easily annoyed. Not exactly someone’s idea of a great catch, haha.”
Overall, some men had a rather negative, blunt opinion of what might turn other guys off. One said he had little interest in other people’s lives, which he knew made him a poor partner choice.
One said a relationship would likely get in the way of fulfilling his ambitions.
“What I learned from my terrible experiences in my 20s was that I make a terrible partner and that I also am perfectly content being single. I am ambitious, have a very strong vision for the life I want, and am really not that interested in compromise at this point in my life. And a relationship needs compromise to work. I know this about relationships, and about myself, and I know that I would rather be single than compromise for a guy until a later date (if ever).
“Sure, learn more about yourself and of course work to improve the things you want to improve – do that for you and not for some potential boyfriend.”
Related:
Gay men reveal the dating advice they’d give their younger selves
You know what they say about hindsight.
6 red flags gay men ignore at their peril when dating
“Folks ignore red flags because the quest to be partnered is so ingrained in us by society”
ShaverC
It seems like everyone is on the “autism spectrum”. Just because you have some anxiety that doesn’t mean you’re autistic. EVERYONE has anxiety but millennials and younger kids are made to believe it’s insurmountable.
rand503
It’s like everyone has a food allergy, like “gluten intolerance” that they blame for being overweight and make restaurants crazy.
KountKaunas
Both of the autistic guys quoted in this article are in their 50s.
But don’t let that stop you from making ignorant generalizations. It serves as a good example to young guys of what to avoid as they get older.
ShaverC
It’s not a generalization it’s the truth. Any adult going to therapy and then latch onto “autism spectrum” and “ADHD” diagnosis is an idiot, even those in their 50’s.
dbmcvey
So, this in from Shaver; people who get help with their issues are idiots.
ShaverC
dbmcvey, Getting real help is good, unfortunately it doesn’t seem like people want to actually work to overcome whatever problem they have. “I’m on the autism spectrum? WHEW! Ok, now I have an excuse to not do things”. The number of 20-somethings I’ve heard say, “I suffer from severe anxiety” is outrageous. When I was younger it was a symptom of something else (afraid of speaking to large groups), but now it’s a “mental illness”? No one is responsible for themselves anymore.
eeebee333
I think you make some valid points, Shaver.
still_onthemark
As someone on the spectrum myself – officially diagnosed! – I think it’s great if people can get an actual diagnosis rather than simply assuming “I’m on the spectrum so I can’t do X and Y and Z, boo hoo” which a lot of young people do seem to do. I wish I could have found out at a younger age and with therapy, figured out what to do differently in day-to-day life.
With LTRs, I’ve always had a much easier time when we lived separately. Anytime I tried living with a partner, he ALWAYS ended up ordering me around. Always, always, always. Even if he didn’t seem to have that kind of personality, at first, I’d always end up being treated as an errand boy. It sucked! It’s as if “normies” have some kind of evolutionary urge to treat us that way. (Either an evolutionary drive to “protect us”?, or maybe an evolutionary drive to get rid of us, lol.) But living apart works, at least for me.
woodroad34
Having been in a bad relationship for 20 years…I’ve developed Relationship PTSD. If someone remotely comes near one of the triggers my ex used–I’m heading for the hills. I know that no one is perfect, but the emotional damage that came out of that relationship makes me the dog that whimpers in the corner.
dbmcvey
A lot of these issues can feed on each other. I think a lot of us have unaddressed trauma or social anxiety that can lead to substance abuse and make us act in off-putting ways. Realizing that and getting help can make a huge difference. After years of running away when relationships got serious, I got therapy and it changed everything.
barryaksarben
I dont think we should be as hard on ourselves as many of these guys do. Society is still making it very hard for most guys to be themselves because of the huge amount of homophobia that causes many families to not FULLY support their gay children
eeebee333
I’m 66. If there is one thing I could go back and tell my younger self, it is: You were not cut out to be in a relationship. So stop wishing for one.
Thad
Nobody mentioned their living arrangements or financial status?
I’m ready and available and unfortunately Queerty comments aren’t really a dating site.
bachy
I’m not convinced by the modern gay movement’s emphasis on same-sex marriage. Marriage is an equation for living currently met by skepticism and anxiety by an ever-increasing number of heterosexuals. I hardly think we should allow ourselves to obsessively pursue a heterosexual fantasy that even heterosexuals are failing to achieve.
inbama
Stable relationships have both physical and mental health benefits – regardless of sexual orientation.
abfab
So says Stable Mable.
jamescastlerock
It’s sad to me that nowhere in this article does anyone say that it is simply OKAY to be single. I mean, do WE HAVE to replicate str8 people in every way, right down to their imposed coupling that EVEN DRIVES them nuts?
still_onthemark
Yes! It’s okay to be single. There’s a lot of (maybe unconscious) propaganda from the not-so-happily-married crowd, they want to feel superior to single people JUST because they’re in a relationship!