From the Department of Terrifyingly Stupid People comes this report via Jimmy Kimmel:
Writers for the show sent out a crack reporter to find random Trump supporters on the street. They were asked a simple question: whether or not they thought Hillary Clinton should be impeached… despite the fact that she’s not even in office.
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Apparently, that inconvenient truth didn’t really matter to them. She should be impeached, and fast.
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Says Kimmel:
“[Trump’s] supporters are so very passionate about hating Hillary Clinton it seems sometimes like maybe they forgot she lost, that she’s not the president….Hillary doesn’t have a job to be impeached from, but did that stop people from demanding she be removed from office?”
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KaiserVonScheiss
You could find equally stupid people who support all sorts of things.
Talk shows have been doing this for ages.
KaiserVonScheiss
Here’s Late Night Jimmy in his Man Show days asking people to end women’s suffrage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_L5YH9Qlr4
Stache
You mean like those opposed to Obama Care but like the Affordable Care act?
Juanjo
That’s amusing Kaiser Von Shithead but these stupid people do not realize Clinton holds no political office. Listening to the comments some of them are very unclear on what happened and what was wrong about it. But all of them are voters like you and as uninformed and bigoted as you are.
Woman’s suffrage was not on the ballot last year nor is it ever likely to be, since it is a Constitutionally protected right. If you are going to find a point, pat the top of your head.
Xzamilloh
Oh, stop… you routinely call out leftists on here as being uninformed and emotionally charged, but when you get evidence that your side can be just as uninformed as you claim ours is, it’s “all sides.” This is why I don’t take people like you seriously… you don’t care about intellectual consistency, just “pwning”
KaiserVonScheiss
@Juanjo
As usual, you miss the point and nothing you say is relevant. All you have is “you’re a bigot!”
@Xzamilloh
I never once said that only leftists were stupid, nor did I say there weren’t stupid people on the right.
Stache
Actually most of the people in the video caught onto it. The one’s who didn’t were either kids or foreigners so not a very good example. Funny though.
Bryguyf69
@KaiserVonScheiss
[This contains excerpts of a piece I wrote elsewhere]
So what? Do those other talk show surveys have actual science behind them? Studies CONSISTENTLY showed that Trump supporters were generally less educated. In fact, famed pollster Nate Silver determined that the surest way to predict if one voted for Trump or Clinton was to ask if s/he had a college degree. Even Trump acknowledged this by thanking “the uneducated” in a speech.
The fact that the least uneducated voters make up his core supporters is perhaps the most damning indictment of his presidency. Trump likes to say that the American people chose him. Wrong. He lost the POPULAR vote by record. numbers, which means the will of the PEOPLE was denied. Rather, the STATES voted for him, not the people. Republicans like to say that America is the pinnacle of democracy that others seek to emulate. Yet no other country has a system where it’s leader can lose the popular vote. Indeed, if the Electoral College is so good, why isn’t it used in gubernatorial, mayoral and senatorial races? After all, the Electoral College’s whole purpose is to smaller (less populous) states a voice. As such, don’t smaller counties also deserve a voice in gubernatorial and senatorial races? Yet, the Electoral College is not used. That alone dispels the argument in support of the Electoral College — and Trump’s legitimacy as a representative of the American will.
Regardless, the fact that his core supporters are ignorant and uneducated says it all. These are people ego have likely never taken Critical Thinking, Economics, Sociology, Statistics, International Relations, Philosophy (Ethics), Logic/Epistemology, Earth Science, etc. Is it any wonder that they are so easily fooled by Trump’s CONSTANT and DOCUMENTED lies? Do they even care about evidence and sources, which are drilled into the mindset of all undergraduates? Nope. As such, Trump’s [already record low] support means nothing. However, it is damning of the GOP that 80%+ of its members still support him. In other words, it’s become the party of the uneducated and gullible.
In contrast, consider this: Earlier this year, HIGHLY EDUCATED scientists around the world staged a protest against Trump. No other world leader has evoked such an action from a normally apolitical demographic. Not even dictators and religious anti-science groups like the Taliban. Only Trump.
And how did moronic Trump respond? He purged the government of scientists who disagreed with his unscientific views on global warming. Getting rid of the intelligensia and purging academia are hallmarks of historic dictators, e.g. Mao, Stalin, Peron, etc. As is suppressing a Free Press — another Trump tactic. Indeed, the rise of Hitler, Mao, Stalin, etc all started with popular support from the uneducated and vulnerable.
Also telling is Trump’s constant need for ego masturbation. With the exception of Reagan, he is perhaps the least educated of all modern presidents, and certainly the least experienced. That includes famously goofy George W. Bush and “peanut farmer,” Jimmy Carter (who was actually a nuclear engineer). But what sets Trump apart is his constant need to tout — and mislead — about his education and intelligence. He often talks about having the “best education” but that’s far from the truth.
Trump attended a typical New York public school before being forced into a military boarding school for misbehavior. And this was not even a top military school but the non-descript New York Military Academy which has since gone bankrupt. This, despite the fact that his dad was a millionaire who could afford the best private and boarding schools. Then he attended Fordham University, which is not exactly top tier. After two years, he transferred to UPenn. Of note, that transfer was likely a favor to his brother, and not merit-based. Interviews with Trump’s former classmates reveal a lackluster student. Not one person remembered anything notable about him. The fact is, two years at UPenn doesn’t equal “the best schools.” Notice that Trump never talks about Fordham, and in fact, revels in the misconception that he has a UPenn/Wharton MBA. A Wharton MBA is indeed impressive, but an undergrad degree as a transfer student — not so much.
The bottom line is this: Unlike your typical talk show stunt, this comedic piece is based on a sad fact. Namely, America — and consequently, the world — is currently led on a foundation of ignorance and lies. How does that make other countries respect us? How does that “make America great again”? THINK ABOUT IT…
KaiserVonScheiss
@Bryguyf69
No, the will of the American people was not denied. No candidate got a majority of the votes. Why should NY and LA decide the President of all of us. It is a federal system. The states are meant to have a voice.
Sates don’t have their own electoral colleges because they aren’t federal. Also, states have a lot of leeway in determining how their votes are allocated. If they wanted, they could easily give their votes to whoever “wins” the popular vote of the nation. Trump’s legitimacy doesn’t come from the will of the American people, but from the process set forth in Article II of the constitution.
If you look at the numbers, Trump got a majority of the votes in 24 states, while Clinton only got a majority in 14 states (including DC). While I would prefer the states to require candidates to get a majority of the votes, they don’t. They all use plurality.
Trump isn’t suppressing the free press. That is a ludicrous claim to even make.
mhoffman953
@Bryguyf69
That’s a lot of nothing that you wrote but I figured I should address some of the main points you made.
“Studies CONSISTENTLY showed that Trump supporters were generally less educated”
According to https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/politics/election-exit-polls.html Trump did win with people who have an associate degree or less, but not by much. Additionally, which is interesting is that even with this in consideration, Trump won with all people who make $50,000 + / year. So for people that are so uneducated, they do seem to make more money. Just because someone has a degree in Women’s African Dance Studies, it doesn’t mean that person is smarter than a small business owner who may have not went to a 4 year school.
Additionally, you cite “famed pollster Nate Silver” LOL. I wouldn’t use him as a reference. He once said Trump had a 1% of winning the Presidency. Then said Trump couldn’t get enough delegates to win the primaries. In 2016, Nate Silver had a pitiful track record and was mocked everywhere.
Later you stated, “Even Trump acknowledged this by thanking “the uneducated” in a speech”, that is true but you left out the sentence after that where he thanked the very educated as well.
“He lost the POPULAR vote by record”
Ok, that’s irrelevant. The US presidency is not determined by the popular vote. Both candidates knew this going into the election and shaped their strategies accordingly. If we went by popular vote, both candidates would’ve campaigned very differently and we cannot predict what the outcome would’ve been. You cannot change the rules of the game after you lose. If you play Blackjack and go over 21 but your cards represent a Full House, you still lose. In Baseball, if your team earned more points in the series but won fewer games, you did not win.
“if the Electoral College is so good, why isn’t it used in gubernatorial, mayoral and senatorial races”
Because those are localized elections and usually within a state, most of the populace think and vote the same way. When you combine all of the states in a Presidential race, the thinking of the people is different. People in Georgia, Florida, and Pennsylvania do not think the same as people of California and New York.
“Regardless, the fact that his core supporters are ignorant and uneducated says it all”
This seems to be the point which you keep recycling over and over. In 2008, when Obama ran for President, many of his core supporters were African Americans who were not educated through formal 4 year colleges. I don’t remember there being outrage and condemnation claiming that Obama’s core supporters are uneducated or jobless. Later, you go on to say Trump supporters are “gullible”. I’m not sure how that’s accurate when Trump is still pushing for his agenda and has not pivoted on his core views. The only people who were gullible were the people in 2008 who thought they were voting for “hope and change”
Lastly, you state, “How does that make other countries respect us?”
Considering President Trump’s recent tour of Asia, I would save other countries now love the US and President Trump. Look at the way Trump was welcomed in China. When Obama visited China, they wouldn’t even give him a red carpet and he had to leave the plane through the back exits because no one came to show him respect. President Trump has had great relationships with the leaders of Japan, China, Taiwan, France, Philippines, India, Israel, and many other nations. I don’t remember our prior Presidents being shown this much respect on their world tours.
GayEGO
Trumpsters are proving they are the most stupid, this is just one example of it.
captainburrito
@ Bryguyf69
“Yet no other country has a system where it’s leader can lose the popular vote.”
This isn’t a good argument because many countries do not directly elect their leaders so that already puts the US ahead. For example, in the UK we criticize the electoral college and yet we don’t even get to directly elect our head of state or head of government. Our head of state is hereditary, our second chamber is unelected (but it is relatively powerless) and our head of government is indirectly elected. Other countries do use the electoral college like Germany and India for their head of state. Hong Kong uses something similar for their Chief Executive but it is controversial there because that is simply to thwart popular will.
In the US it is relatively small issue. Give it a couple decades and Republicans will find it very hard to win with it as Texas and Georgia are turning purple. Look at their red margins, they were only just behind the swing states that went red this cycle. Without Texas Trump would not have won and for a Republican Trump won relatively big but it still pales compared to Obama’s win. Trumps win ranked 46 out of 5x in terms of EC victories. As long as Dems don’t hand it to Republicans then they should have distinct advantage with the EC in future which should balance out Republicans gerrymander advantage in the House.
@ mhoffman953
“Considering President Trump’s recent tour of Asia, I would save other countries now love the US and President Trump. Look at the way Trump was welcomed in China. When Obama visited China, they wouldn’t even give him a red carpet and he had to leave the plane through the back exits because no one came to show him respect. President Trump has had great relationships with the leaders of Japan, China, Taiwan, France, Philippines, India, Israel, and many other nations. I don’t remember our prior Presidents being shown this much respect on their world tours.”
I’m Chinese and can tell you that throughout history, treatment of foreign dignatories and diplomats does not necessarily entail love and / or respect even if it seems like it on the surface.
There are many accounts of fist fights, contests and insults being traded regardless of whether they were allies or enemies. That is how we rolled. Even if you ignore our history, it takes a simpleton to equate outward signs as that of love.
Obama was treated with the red carpet in 2009 by China. In 2016 they deliberately slighted him as Obama had pivoted to Asia, created stronger alliances, had a triple lock of allies and bases to contain China, encouraged Asian countries to pushback at China. You don’t need to be an Obama fan to see why they treated him like that.
Trump is routinely treated with respect and buttered up by international leaders. Then those same politicians turn around and ridicule him. People around the world loved Obama and liked Hillary more than Trump. The world gasped when Trump was elected. I can totally understand Americans voted for him. I’d like to see him win again in 2020, not because I love or respect him but to protest the Democrats being Republican-lites. I don’t have to live with the domestic consequences though. That is why foreigners judge American presidents with different metrics. We don’t have to live under them. Obama is charismatic. Trump is abrasive and infantile.
China just did that because Trump and his base likes to be buttered up on the surface but will not dig much deepers. China loves to bundle up trade deals and purchases with these visits for leverage but the truth is they’d often still buy that stuff anyway and that WV deal was mostly MOU’s rather than actual contracts. Those have been signed since 2009 and not many jobs have materialized other than maybe some stuff for university research. That was to temper Trump and let him save face. It’s like an exaggerated praising of a young child. If China’s economic power can do that to the US, then look forward to what they did to South Korea with economic sanctions in the future if this trajectory continues. China just smashed South Korea’s president into submission with economic sanctions which divides and conquers American allies in Asia.
Stache
This is akin to asking them where they’ll bury the survivors of a airplane crash on a the border.
Xzamilloh
Well, obviously on the ‘Murican side. Unless they’re foreign… then it doesn’t matter that they’re still alive and you don’t bury survivors (lol), they’ll just bury them anyway.
Mandrake
This is another example what what the consequences are of not teaching Civics in high school, deplorable, and willful ignorance.
radiooutmike
I enjoyed that segment, as it is not supposed to be a scientific poll just a comedy bit. No more than Jessie Waters doing his schtick on Fox News.
They both (Jimmy and Jessie) probably have at least 5 to 8 hours of interviews of different people, before they cherry-pick who will be on the 3 to 5 min segment.
Bryguyf69
@radiooutmike
While that’s true, please see my long reply above. Unlike other similar comedic bits, this has a foundation of electoral science. Sad.
Jack Meoff
Just goes to show you can’t fix stupid
Hussain-TheCanadian
Personally I don’t understand the American system of voting on the federal level at all; wht not just have every vote count?
Like if people want to vote Republican in new York, why not have their vote go into a bucket for the Republican candidate for President, And then simply do the same for every state; tally the votes and the candidate that gets the most votes wins.
I don’t understand the current system where I’d a majority in state votes one way, then the entire voting counts goes to that candidate; it’s a weird way of deciding a Victor.
Kangol
It’s a complex system that was set up to limit direct franchise, at a time when not everyone could vote (originally in most states only white men who owned property could vote). Usually the person who wins the most votes overall wins the presidency. But the Electoral College and electoral votes make it possible for someone (W. Bush in 2000, Trump) to lose the majority of votes but still squeak into office. W. Bush lost by about 543,000 votes, while Trump lost by nearly 3 MILLION votes. Rather than scrapping the crappy system that exists, though, the Democrats won’t push to change things, and the Republicans seem quite happy limiting as many voters as possible.
Stache
Wouldn’t it be great if they make their 2020 platform about for things like single payer, ridding us of the antiquated electoral college, and just more economic equality.
captainburrito
@ Kangol
Actually Democrats have pushed to change to a popular vote via the national popular vote interstate compact. So far they have 60% of the EC votes necessary and only blue states have signed up. This is the only viable way to change it. So that requires red states to sign up and Georgia is actually now taking the first steps to looking at it as she noticed the demographic change.
A constitutional amendment is a waste of time as it won’t pass. Democrats only control very few states ie both chambers and the governorship. Republicans are only 6 or 7 states short of being able to call a constitutional convention. Dems don’t even have the numbers to block an amendment on the state level.
They actually shouldn’t change the EC though as Republicans will be screwed over by it once Texas and Georgia turn purple.
GayEGO
No surprise here. Alabama GOPs say it is OK for Roy Moore to molest teenage girls because the Bible did not mention it. Stupid is stupid and the teleprompter speeches Trump gives are meaningless and are FAKE NEWS!
captainburrito
I actually heard a Trump supporter who knew Trump was president, say impeach Obama. I was like how do you do that thing to charge and remove someone from an office that they no longer occupy? These people are out there.