Just when we thought we’d heard it all, Elphin Bishop Kevin Doran opened his mouth and the shit just flew, and flew.
In an interview with NewsTalk Breakfast this week, the good bishop expressed his opinions about gay people.
First, he said being gay is not a “sin” so long as people do not “behave” like homosexuals. Then he said same-sex couples with children are “not necessarily parents” because, well, he wasn’t really clear on why. But the real kicker came when he launched into a tirade about how being homosexual is tantamount to being handicapped.
When asked if people being born gay was “as God intended,” the bishop opined: “That would be to suggest that some people are born with Down’s syndrome or spina bifida, that that was what God intended.”
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Down’s syndrome? Spina bifida? WTF?
“The thing about it is,” Doran continued, “I can’t see it in the mind of God.”
Evidently, in addition to being a bishop, Doran is also a psychic.
“The things you mentioned are disabilities,” the host replied. “Your sexual orientation is not a disability.”
To which, Doran quickly backtracked. “Well, I’m not entering into that,” he replied. Then he added: “I’m just saying it would be wrong to suggest that everything that happens, happens because God intended it. If that were the case, we’d be talking about a very different kind of God.”
A very different kind of God, perhaps. But the exact same kind of crazy.
h/t: Raw Story
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Scribe38
I didn’t know that being gay was caused by a lack of Folic acid in early pregnancy or an extra chromosome. Thanks sir!
Xzamilio
Mmmmm…. God’s love.
level75RDM
People born with disabilities deserve to be loved by their families despite their birth, to be treated with the same dignity and respect as anyone else, and must suffer morons telling them what they can or cannot do. So the circumstances are similar, but not in the way he thinks.
Bauhaus
As Hillary Clinton said, “what difference does it make?”
On a biological, genetic, philosophical, theological, spiritual, social, or personal level, what difference does it make?
jwtraveler
Religious devotion seems to have a deleterious effect on the brain’s capacity for intelligent, rational thought.
tusgold
OK so is this idiot saying its a genome flaw that every creature on earth has in them?
jwtraveler
@level75RDM: I couldn’t have said it better.
CoachS
The Elphin Bishop apparently has “struggled with his own sexuality” as a teenager according to some statements he’s made. Did he also struggle with spina bifida and overcome that “through the grace of Goddess”? I like the Episcopal Church I attend. They welcome gay couples (and singles) and their families. I get sick of people hijacking religion to cover their own self hatred.
Look ^^ up there! Is that Novak Djokovic’s penis? No… further up. The one with the beard.
Ladbrook
I’d love to know what he thinks of left-handed people.
doug105
There is only one form of sexual expression so unnatural that no other species is know to practice it – celibacy.
mcflyer54
Obviously there is no mental test for becoming a Bishop. Seems you just have to enjoy keeping women subservient, enjoy wearing flowing gowns and telling other people how to live their lives. We’ll not even address surrounding yourselves with young impressions like altar boys.
corey
Is it just me, or does this dude look like such a closet case homo?
DistingueTraces
He can’t see Down’s Syndrome in the mind of the God who made the world of which Down’s Syndrome is a part?
How does that work??
SteveDenver
So Mr. Catholic Jackass: With what is the Catholic Pedophile Syndicate to be compared?
Ken A.
This was horrible journalism, if you can call it journalism. All we see in this story is blah blah blah…no context in which the conversation or interview took place or the reason it took place. And I’m sure there is plenty of context that was left out.
GG
But would you, bishop Doran, strive to keep those with Down’s Syndrome or spina bifida from marrying? If “no,” then according to YOUR argument, the same would apply to gay folk.
Giancarlo85
“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
I’m sure this Catholic Bishop should ask around who said that… he might be in for quite a surprise.
NoCagada
Can I have a handicapped plate for my car?
damon459
Personally I couldn’t care less what the catholic church has to say about anything including my sex life! I’m not taking advice from a bunch of so called males “virgins”, they not nothing when it comes to love and sexuality.
Desert Boy
I bet $100 this Bishop pay$ teenage boys to let him suck their d i c k s.
billforsyth
Being a Catholic bishop is like being a psychotic headcase .
polarisfashion
Religious idiots like this guy and Pat Robertson need to go away. The more they talk, the goofier they sound.
level75RDM
@jwtraveler: I know, right? Behind closed doors, nobody wants a group home in their neighborhood. If you ask many people with congenital disabilities, or disability advocates, they’d tell you they were born just fine the way they were. People are always questioning a couple’s ability to parent if they have down syndrome. There is even that popular comparison people like to draw behind same-sex couples and infertile couples. But the disability community is one that strongly advocates for a stronger political presence and looks after their own. I could think of so many far less flattering comparisons that can be drawn.
Raquel Santiago
I have said it before and I will say it again. I do not play with with uneducated people.
AlliterationAddict
@level75RDM: It’s comments like this that make me wish that Queerty had an upvote system.
transiteer
Actually, being born gay is more like being born left-handed. But then some dumbf*ck Catholic spouting off hate and vitriol is nothing new. They used to light up the street by setting people on fire that they didn’t like, or that they owed money to. Nothing to learned with this fool – other than be reminded the value of religion (none) and of this particular religion (Christian) as being a public works project by Ancient Rome to pacify the Jews. In other words – its fake, it’s fiction, it’s all fraudulent.
jwtraveler
@level75RDM: Again, I agree. I find it interesting that he says that disabled people are not what God intended. I’m curious how he thinks disabled people came to be born. Does he think that people choose to be disabled? I don’t really care what the thinks, but I always thought that one argument religious Christians make against aborting deformed fetuses is that every life is made by God and should be valued equally. It’s one of the least objectionable arguments they have.
BTW I used to use computers at a local community center. Once a week a group of mentally disabled adults would come there. I got to know a few of them. Some were too disabled to communicate meaningfully, but I talked to some of the higher functioning people. They were friendly, polite, helpful and caring individuals. They may not have been as bright, but I prefer them to a lot of “normal” people I’ve met. As you said, “I could think of so many far less flattering comparisons.”
orjeffy
As Dan Savage said on Twitter – can people with spina bifida or Down’s get married?
They sure as hell can.
Saint Law
So God isn’t omnipotent then?
Added to the usual Papist gibberish this pixie has constructed an entire complicated rickety philosophy. And all because he’s scared of his need to sit on a penis.
Sluggo2007
At least gay people are having sex. Kevin Doran is (supposedly) celibate. What does that say about him? Asexuality is an extreme abnormality.
Billysees
@Bauhaus:
“On a biological, genetic, philosophical, theological, spiritual, social, or personal level, what difference does it make?”
Ain’t that the truth.
JackFknTwist
Let’s all wake up.
The Catholic Catechism teaches at paragraph 2357 that gays are “intrinsically defective”.
That is what the Bishop does not want made public.
The doctrine of the Catholic Church teaches that gays are not equal, and therefore should not have equal treatment with ‘reproductive’ people.
That’s paragraph : 2357 ……look it up !
This Bishop restated the bigotry of Catholic Doctrine.
JackFknTwist
Yes, the Catholic church teaches and justifies bigotry and discrimination.
rikard
in the same way that a priest is a eunuch and/or a pedophile.
M K
If being gay is a disability, I’m filing a disability claim for being 100% disabled…. where’s my check?
killerk311
If this is true and we have a decease like this Priest sad what can we not collect disability like a persons with Down Syndrome or Spina Bifira can I am not saying that a person who is gay needs up from the Government But the to deceases that the priest sad about gays being like them need the help Especially as their parents get to old to take care of them Gays can take care of themselves.
David Bolton
If that’s the case, I want my goddamned disability check and a handicapped parking sticker.
SAasianboi
one of the ways that you can tell that someone is stupid is if they contradict themselves and defeat their own arguments, this “special case” is a perfect textbook example.