Caitlyn Jenner and Kari Lake (Photos: Shutterstock)
Caitlyn Jenner leaped to the defense of Kari Lake yesterday. The former Olympian perhaps now regrets it.
Lake, the news journalist turned failed GOP politician, is now flogging her MAGA brand of extremism at rallies around the country. She didn’t always hold such views. It’s known she formerly donated to the Barack Obama campaign before her gradual shift to the right.
The left-leaning Patriot Takes posted a tweet highlighting Lake’s political journey in recent years. It highlighted an old Facebook posting in which Lake commented on Caitlyn Jenner’s transition.
“In 2014, Kari Lake posted supportive comments of Caitlyn Jenner’s transitioning,” it said. It showed a comment Lake made about Jenner, saying, “He looks good for an old guy transitioning into a woman.’
“Kari Lake is now touring the country speaking out against trans people,” the account noted, including screenshots.
Jenner quote-tweeted the message. She suggested that Lake’s position on banning “biological men” from women’s sports does not make her, or Jenner, “anti-trans”.
“We are anti-radical rainbow mafia and against the radical gender ideology movement and want the kids left alone!” continued Jenner. “@KariLake comments here are not at all inconsistent with those values!”
Patriot Takes replied to Jenner directly with a recent video of Kari Laker denouncing trans women as men who are “mentally ill.”
Addressing a crowd at a rally, Lake says “Those men will never be women. I don’t care how you dress. You’re never going to be a woman. I will be damned if I’m going to let a bunch of mentally ill men take womanhood away from us.”
Caitlyn, Kari Lake may act differently at Mar-a-Lago with you, but in Republican gatherings across the country, Kari Lake calls trans women, “mentally ill.”
You can post videos disputing Caitlyn’s view that trans people are welcome in the GOP until you’re blue in the face, you’ll never convince her otherwise.
She’s a lost cause.
— Pro-Democracy Warrior 🟧☮️🇺🇦❁ (@Truth_Comes_1st) August 3, 2023
“Drastic increase in children being transitioned is a huge problem,” says Jenner.
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Children are not “being transitioned”. Jenner sounds like some of the deniers on this site.
The fact remains that some people are transgender and allowing them to transition has positive effects for the person.
They are being socially transitioned – which always leads to puberty blockers. You cannot get the formative years of your childhood back.
While unethically continuing medicalization of gender incongruence, the American Academy of Pediatrics has finally admitted that gender treatment for children is based on flimsy evidence and has now begun a (hopefully) serious evaluation of the available evidence. This may bring us in alignment with Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands and the U.K.
Except to greedy Big Pharma, transition remains only proven as relief for adults with therapy-resistant Gender Dysphoria who’ve been screened and treated for other mental health issues. What puberty-blockers do to kids like Jazz Jennings is absolutely horrible.
I hope Democrats will read the tea leaves and not choose to die on this hill.
GOOGLE in the New York Times: Medical Group Backs Youth Gender Treatments, but Calls for Research Review
I’ve been looking for somewhere Jazz Jennings is complaining about puberty blockers or speaking out against them or regretting it. Can’t find anything. In fact, she says they saved her life.
And here comes dumb little Davey boy parroting this tired chestnut. Hey Davey boy, if kids cannot access medicalization and they commit suicide, where are the charts and graphs documenting this going back a century? Let’s see the evidence.
It seems there’s still a stupid gnat buzzing around who works for a fascist anti-gay politician in Florida. Imagine working for someone who wants to take away your rights. How pathetic is that?
Did any of you homophobes dogpiling me bother to read the article?
The “professional organizations” know they have screwed up, and they’re looking to discreetly back away from the biggest medical scandal since they performed lobotomies on gays and lesbians in the 40s and 50s.
In the rightwing echo chamber there is this whole story about how Jazz Jennings regrets transitioning, Ben Shapiro is a big pusher if it. Jazz Jennings has repeated refuted this but someone would have to actually listen to her to find that out. So, now we know Inbama listens to the likes of Shapiro and blindly accepts it as truth.
She did say that she doesn’t regret it. But then again, she’s the standard-bearer for the youth medicalization movement. Her mom also attributed her mental health struggles to surgical complications from her neovagina. Which again, this is not something your side explains to children when presenting them with sparkly drag queens with high cheekbones.
The slug now is asking for “charts and graphs.” About what? He is just repeating words that his handlers have told him to say because it makes no sense.
At least he stopped calling people “neo-liberals.” He must have realized it doesn’t mean what he though it did.
Given that almost all detransitioners are lesbians and gays misled while in their TEENS, don’t you understanding that you are bashing LGB people when you bash detransitioners?
That you have no compassion for kids who with therapy could’ve grown up to be healthy homosexuals and lesbians without missing body parts shows what a sick homophobe you are.
And here’s that troll asking for something that doesn’t exist. What a stupid person he is. He’s making some kind of ridiculous claim that no one has made and demanding evidence for it. It’s a strawman, like “neoliberal” he probably doesn’t know what it means.
Oh, dumb little Davey. It’s not a strawman. Y’all like to run your mouths off constantly. “The suicides are coming! It’s here’ If it’s as dire as you claim, numbers would exist to back it up. Science, data, facts. Only ONE Google News story about trans youth suicide from 2023. ONE. That’s data. It’s not a meme you’ve parroted from the Human Rights Campaign. Be an adult and back your evidence. That’s what adults do, dumb little Davey boy.
It’s interesting that David Hudson thinks (S)Kari Lake saying, “He looks good for an old guy transitioning into a woman” is a supportive comment about Caitlyn Jenner.
I’m asking about children, though. Davey Matthews brought up children. Where’s the evidence? Y’all are exactly like QAnon Trump supporters claiming the election is rigged. Adults present evidence, not memes.
Lobotomies and institutions do not have a damned thing to do with Davey’s claim about suicide and trans kids. Pivot and dodge there, Master P. Make ’em say, “Uhhh!’
The stupid supporter of fascist politicians is trying to claim young trans people don’t commit suicide. What a stupid person he is, though we know that because he supports right wing fascist politicians.
But hey, is the NIH too mainstream for him and his right wing propaganda sites? Because they have several studies.
He and his other stupid troll keep bringing up Jazz Jennings claiming she’s had some sort of terrible reaction to puberty blockers, yet, just 4 months ago she posted this:
“When I was 11, I started male puberty and was put on hormone blockers. Those blockers saved my life and continue to save the lives of so many youths out there. If I were forced to go through male puberty, it would’ve been devastating.Apr 1, 2023”
Now, to those trolls, I know they’ll come back with insane stuff from right wing propaganda sites and ignore these because they’re not serious people, but for anyone who might care about the truth, it’s out there.
You’re not serious either, Davey. If the trans youth are killing themselves in droves, go ahead and find some more data. Do it as opposed to rambling on and on.
And with the way these idiot neoliberals talk, you’d think there would be a raft of trans youth suicides. It’s the darndest thing. A simple Google News search only shows ONE trans youth suicide this year. ONE. With the way y’all parrot a bunch of bullshi+ constantly, you’d think there would be 50 suicides a day.
Yet Decrans, you also point out zero links to your stats.
“More than 50% of trans and non-binary youth in US considered suicide this year, survey says” (Sam Levin, The Guardian, Sat 17 December, 2022)
“More than 50% of transgender and non-binary youth in states across the US seriously considered suicide in the past year, according to new survey data on a worsening LGTBQ+ youth mental health crisis.
The Trevor Project, a non-profit organization dedicated to LGBTQ+ youth suicide prevention, on Thursday released state-level data from nearly 34,000 queer and trans youth ages 13 to 24, showing alarmingly high rates of suicide attempts, depression and anxiety across liberal and conservative regions.”
This is how bad it is for trans and nonbinary young people:
“States where lawmakers have aggressively pursued anti-trans legislation, including Texas and Arkansas, have extraordinarily high levels of suicide risk, though the rates are nearly as high in some progressive states, including New York, California and Oregon.”
Think this is a joke?
“In California, the most populous state, which recently passed a law to protect trans youth, 44% of LGBTQ+ youth considered suicide and 14% attempted suicide, the survey found; for trans and non-binary respondents, the findings were worse, with 54% considering and 19% attempting suicide. And 70% of LGBTQ+ youth in the state said they had experienced discrimination, with 62% saying they were not able to access mental health care.
“The rates of trans and nonbinary youth who seriously considered suicide were similar in the next largest states, at 56% in Texas; 54% in Florida; 50% in New York; 54% in Pennsylvania; 51% in Illinois; 54% in Ohio; 55% in Georgia; 53% in North Carolina; and 52% in Michigan. And 16-20% of trans and non-binary youth reported attempting suicide across these states.</b A majority also said they wanted, but did not receive care.”
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Decrans, why are you actively working for a right-wing fascist politician who does not care about trans youth, LGBQ youth, Black children, or young people in general?
Again, I’ll tell you what it means, Davey boy. A liberal who supports the capitalist systems of oppression and corporate war machine. You support Pete Buttigieg, a man who garnered ZERO PERCENT OF THE BLACK votes while propping up gentrification in South Bend and firing Black police officiers. Ergo, that definition fits you perfectly.
When Buttigieg claimed to have “worked for years” as South Bend mayor “under the illusion that our schools in my city were integrated .?.?. [b]ecause they had to be, because of a court order” — and then contradicted himself by insisting that the city’s schools were, in fact, meaningfully desegregated — he was, consciously or not, doubling down on the legalistic liberalism that has failed poor and working-class black people in South Bend and beyond for generations.
Pete’s policy platform reflects not only this rights-based liberalism, but also the “woke” market-centric technocracy at the heart of progressive neoliberalism. Buttigieg’s “Douglass Plan” (presumptuously named for abolitionist Frederick Douglass) seeks to reverse the damage done by centuries of capitalism and racism through “entrepreneurship and job creation in underserved communities.” “Entrepreneurship is an engine of economic growth and employment,” Buttigieg’s campaign website reads. “However, people of color face unique challenges to starting their own businesses.” This fundamentally misunderstands the dynamics of racial oppression in the United States — prescribing black capitalism when exploitation and corporate power are at the center of the problem.
That is neoliberalism in a nutshell, Davey. I know what it means. Do you?
Buttigieg takes a similar approach to women’s issues. In his insistence that “ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment,” “appointing at least 50 percent women to the Cabinet and judiciary,” and “investing over $50 billion to grow women-owned business” will help improve the lives of US women, Buttigieg simply hopes to diversify, rather than dismantle, oppressive hierarchies.
Given Buttigieg’s dismal record on race as South Bend mayor and as a presidential candidate, his eagerness to project US power around the world, his clear popularity among billionaire donors (forty of whom have contributed to his campaign), his volleys against universal social programs like Medicare for All and tuition-free public college, and his consulting history at McKinsey & Company, there’s plenty of reason to suspect a Buttigieg presidency would be bad for the non-rich.
Neoliberalism, Dave. Come back and try again when you know the meaning of words, buddy.
Just a minor item. I decided to perform searches for the statistics decrans and others seem to crave and cannot seem to do it for themselves and post here for others to refute. The reason can be fairly obvious. There are no reliable sources for successful suicides to list whether the victim was transgender or even LGBTQ+, since it is not a statistic kept on a death certificate. Police typically report such cases as whatever their birth certificate states or is revealed in the autopsy. Being LGBTQ+ is not something that can appear in blood work or be visible in an autopsy it would not be typically listed in statistics and definitely not all the way back to 1900 where it was a hidden secret to most people. I do not know the current state of the Census but there have been efforts to even include the questions concerning sexual orientation in the last 10 years that were fought over. To make a demand for such data would either show willful ignorance or, as was stated before, a strawman argument with full knowledge that the answer cannot be given one way or another.
The reports reported here are from polls taken from unsuccessful suicides or polls reported by people who did not succeed or did not make the final decision, since typically the only people who could report it are the people who are still here. In a quick summary I had found the following:
According to a fact sheet by the Mental Health Commission of Canada, transgender people face unique stressors and are at a greater risk for suicide. They are twice as likely to think about and attempt suicide than LGB people. A study by the Williams Institute also found that transgender adults have higher rates of suicidal thoughts and attempts.
In 2018, a study revealed shocking rates of attempted suicide among trans adolescents. More than half of transgender male teens who participated in the survey reported attempting suicide in their lifetime, while 29.9 percent of transgender female teens said they attempted suicide. Among non-binary youth, 41.8 percent of respondents stated that they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.
A recent study in Denmark found that those who identified as trans had 7.7 times the rate of suicide attempts and 3.5 times the rate of suicide deaths than the broader Danish population.
Note: these are just summary pieces from the studies mentioned and usually involve adults, since typically there are privacy laws concerning children and often those children have become adults by the time the polls were taken.
Two things I’d like to add. First off, if trans youth suicides were somewhat rampant in the 1950s, wouldn’t records in the history of some type exist documenting a subset of trans youth offing themselves en masse? That’s the core argument. Given our current technology, couldn’t we at least dig up a few coherent threads of data around these parameters? The fact of the idea then remains troubling to consider: The social contagion theory comes into play somewhat on social media. And in a generation of kids overprescribed on ADHD meds well-documented in mass media, some non-trans children have slipped through the cracks. Whoops.
That’s point one. Literature of some sort should exist back in the 1950s “on the margins of gay culture” documenting a large subset of suicidal kids upset that they couldn’t fully access Christine Jorgensen.
Point two: The Queerty editor or contributing writer mentions unique stressors. I’d like to speak to this as a former trans individual.
Most of the unique stressors involved a wide berth of factors. Your ideology is predicated on Hillary Clinton’s “It Takes a Village” mindset. And I get that we all inhabit an absolute reality hindered by shaky economies and geopolitical skirmishes. I’ll say this: Trauma resources for people like me were scattershot. I ended up de-transitioning because of it.
Once again, I think that the needs of the cis, white gays must constantly be re-centered for clarification on other needs of the acronym being met.
Decrans is dismissing the mental health crisis that trans and nonbinary youth are experiencing. This is beyond disgusting. It’s documented by the Trevor Project and other organizations but Decrans, because of his/their own life choices, is now supporting a politician who actively wants to harm trans and nonbinary, as well as LGBQ, Black and other young people!
I asked for charts and graphs of trans youth suicides going back to the 1900s. Funny thing. No one can provide them. Presents those balls, Cartman. Present those balls.
Not a strawman. Again, y’all run your mouths off about trans youth suicide. If they didn’t have access to medicalization for centuries, rational people would say, “Hey, wouldn’t we have mass trans suicides going back for millennia?’ The vast majority of people you want to convince are going to need stats. Not press releases, Davey. STATS. Keep rambling on and on. But as I saw at the Congressional hearing on trans youth medicalization last week, lawmakers want STATS. That’s how laws are passed.
Oh, that’s convenient, isn’t it dbmcvey? Because if you search for Lizzo on this site, she certainly comes doesn’t she? And since WHEN has this site reported exclusively on Queer people? Plenty of thirsting over heteros that’s for sure. And let’s forget ‘allys’ right? And certainly Lizzo has been QUITE the ally, hasn’t she? So it is quite telling that Queerty should be ever so silent about their favourite ally. Why is that? And I somehow doubt YOU are so militant about non-Queer people being reported on at nauseum on this site, I’d say it’s quite transparent of you to care as to what Lizzo’s orientation is at this particular time in her career.
Lizzo called @gaynotqueer. She’s ready to sit on your face.
And really, I think Lizzo would agree………………….you are QUEER, but def not GAY. You’re too miserable to be GAY. It’s obvious. You suck and you are a terd. Leave the room shit head.
And again, where are the charts and graphs, Davey. Trans youth didn’t have medicalization until only recently. Shouldn’t there be a rash of suicides dating back to the AD period? You can’t back up your assertions. I call you on your BS. Go cry about it. It’s not my problem.
Are you gonna provide me with the charts and graphs of trans youth suicides going back to the 1900s? Anybody can parrot lines from the Human Rights Campaign and/or Heritage Foundation. I asked y’all for actual data. Press releases do not count as ‘evidence.’ An ignorant person would not ask for ACTUAL GODD–NED DATA.
Demanding charts and graphs that don’t exist for a randomly selected period of time on a message board that won’t let you post them. Here’s that stupid troll making more strawmen.
Nope. Y’all keep saying ‘trans youth are gonna kill themselves’ in droves. There would be mass suicides going back to the 1800s if that were the case. There would be more than one Google News story from this year if that were the case. You got out-argued again, Davey. All your rambling and namecalling will not change the fact. Take several seats and try a new method. You look desperate, baby.
I’d like to know exactly how Ms Jenner felt when HE was having thoughts about who she was at about age 14. Would he have found “ blockers?” She waited until she was an old lady, she has no business commenting AT ALL in the political arena. To most trans, she’s a sellout and real loser. She makes a very ugly woman, inside and out. Sick family as we well know.
Heterosexual men, as they are not feminine, do not experience childhood dysphoria and do not show atypicality in the gender region of the brain usually transition later than homosexual males. They often having completely successful lives as military people, athletes, husband and fathers.
Psychologists who’ve studied them call them “autogynephilic.” A paraphilia that involves being sexually aroused by the thought of oneself as a women. Some AGPs post photos of themselves on Twitter while they are in the ladies room and describe how wearing women’s clothes gives them a “euphoria boner.”
When you see transwomen, like former activist Dana Rivers, in prison prison for rape and murder of women, they are always AGP transwomen-with-penises – not the feminine homosexual transwomen we gay men know from bars.
The most influential transwoman in the U.S. is multi-billionaire Jennifer Pritzger (cousin of the Ohio governor). Her non-profits fund the trans movement while her gender clinics profit from it. Last year she gave the ACLU 15 million to fight laws that would ban gender surgery on minors. Of course, being rich, heterosexual and married to a woman, she hasn’t parted with her bits. Like Caitlin Jenner, she’s a Republican.
but everything else is fairly common knowledge. Last I read of beautiful Jennifer, she was a “never Trump” Republican, but if you say she’s left the party, I have no information that would dispute it.
My point was that like Caitlin, she was not part of any LGBT movement. Now her money runs it.
According to the Sun-Times, Jennifer donated $250,000 to Donald Trump and just $6000 to Lori Lightfoot. Pritzker still sides with Republicans on the income tax proposals. See, this is my issue with the neoliberals on this hell site. They truly don’t care about other demographics beyond the LGBTQ+ umbrella. Dave Matthews is Exhibit A. He openly supports Buttigieg, a politician who eroded Black neighborhoods with increased arrests for marijuana possession. As long as Buttigieg checks that LGBTQ diversity box, Dave Matthews is completely fine with his abysmal record with minorities. The same cognitive dissonance occurs with Jennifer Pritzker. The mental gymnastics of Queerty neoliberals is truly a sight to behold.
Yes! Queerty refers to her as “Lake, the news journalist turned failed GOP politician.” The British term “news READER” would fit better. She was never really a “news journalist” (isn’t that redundant?), more like a female Ted Baxter!
I think the best thing that could happen for Trans is to push for bathroom locker room accommodations to be built everywhere for just trans. This is the underlying bon fire that is fueling DeSantis style laws.
The crazy making fear that must dwell in trans kids minds in how to navigate this hot topic issue is most likely monumental. Make them safe by getting bills passed for private accommodations to remedy this huge trigger point. We need new accommodations for trans men and trans women. It’s a big job but it must be done.
The new Emerson College poll showed Cornel West eating into Biden’s demographics significantly today. Unlike the No Labels poll, West had considerable margins. I cannot wait until 2024. It’s going to be fun watching DaveyMatthews’s head explode.
Given Jenner’s total failure as a parent, I don’t think they ought to making any decisions for other people’s children. It’s as if the Jenner/Kardashian household worked overtime to produce greedy, selfish children who treat each other and others with hateful contempt and utter entitlement.
“Mentally ill men?” Wow…from a woman who worships a seriously mentally ill trump, and has probably spent some time on her knees in hopes of being his VP candidate. Losers.
Caitlyn, the day will come when sanity returns to the US, granted it will take decades to root out the stupid, and when that day comes I suspect many will remember your collaboration and complicity in regards to the persecution and violence perpetrated on the innocent. On that day,if you’re still around, I hope you receive the same treatment the Kapos got.
i was looking closely at the “women” who stood up applauding toxic lake when she said “they will never be women”. no wonder their husbands are cruising for anything other than them, they have never looked in a 3way mirror and seen what they look like from behind.
these “women” need to get out of the toxic lake rallys and get on a treadmill or go to the gym. how can they not smell the odor of whats between their legs when it never gets air?
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Mister P
Children are not “being transitioned”. Jenner sounds like some of the deniers on this site.
The fact remains that some people are transgender and allowing them to transition has positive effects for the person.
inbama
They are being socially transitioned – which always leads to puberty blockers. You cannot get the formative years of your childhood back.
While unethically continuing medicalization of gender incongruence, the American Academy of Pediatrics has finally admitted that gender treatment for children is based on flimsy evidence and has now begun a (hopefully) serious evaluation of the available evidence. This may bring us in alignment with Norway, Sweden, Finland, the Netherlands and the U.K.
Except to greedy Big Pharma, transition remains only proven as relief for adults with therapy-resistant Gender Dysphoria who’ve been screened and treated for other mental health issues. What puberty-blockers do to kids like Jazz Jennings is absolutely horrible.
I hope Democrats will read the tea leaves and not choose to die on this hill.
GOOGLE in the New York Times: Medical Group Backs Youth Gender Treatments, but Calls for Research Review
dbmcvey
@inbama,
It’s so much better that these children commit suicide, right?
Really, just how terrible are you?
dbmcvey
I’ve been looking for somewhere Jazz Jennings is complaining about puberty blockers or speaking out against them or regretting it. Can’t find anything. In fact, she says they saved her life.
Eternal.Cowboy
@inbama
It’s funny, just a few months ago you were spreading the myth that kids were getting surgery. I guess you have moved on to new lies like this whopper:
“They are being socially transitioned – which always leads to puberty blockers.”
In 2021 42,000 kids were diagnosed with gender dysphoria and 1,390 of those were prescribed puberty blockers. — Source Komodo Health Inc.
You might want to look up the meaning of the word “always” because you clearly do not know what it means.
decrans
And here comes dumb little Davey boy parroting this tired chestnut. Hey Davey boy, if kids cannot access medicalization and they commit suicide, where are the charts and graphs documenting this going back a century? Let’s see the evidence.
dbmcvey
It seems there’s still a stupid gnat buzzing around who works for a fascist anti-gay politician in Florida. Imagine working for someone who wants to take away your rights. How pathetic is that?
decrans
Imagine parroting claims you cannot back up with actual evidence. Enter Dave Matthews stage-left.
dbmcvey
The troll on this site can’t read. But then, what do you expect of someone who supports right wing fascist politicians.
inbama
Did any of you homophobes dogpiling me bother to read the article?
The “professional organizations” know they have screwed up, and they’re looking to discreetly back away from the biggest medical scandal since they performed lobotomies on gays and lesbians in the 40s and 50s.
Eternal.Cowboy
@inbana –
I did, and that isn’t what it says. it says a lot that you have to keep promoting falsehoods to support your stance..
Eternal.Cowboy
@dbmcvey
In the rightwing echo chamber there is this whole story about how Jazz Jennings regrets transitioning, Ben Shapiro is a big pusher if it. Jazz Jennings has repeated refuted this but someone would have to actually listen to her to find that out. So, now we know Inbama listens to the likes of Shapiro and blindly accepts it as truth.
decrans
She did say that she doesn’t regret it. But then again, she’s the standard-bearer for the youth medicalization movement. Her mom also attributed her mental health struggles to surgical complications from her neovagina. Which again, this is not something your side explains to children when presenting them with sparkly drag queens with high cheekbones.
abfab
Correcting INBAMA is like trying to talk sense into Malania. It won’t work.
m
Will she just go away?
dbmcvey
How pathetic. Defending people who hate you.
Mr. Stadnick
Sad bag of plastic surgery
Mister P
Dems are not dying on a hill. Trans youth who cannot transition are dying by suicide though. They need to be supported medically and by society.
decrans
And let’s see the charts and graphs on that going back a century, then. Y’all like to parrot that tired line. Let’s see the actual data.
dbmcvey
The slug who works for an anti-gay, fascist politician oozes out of its k-hole and vomits. We’re all a little worse off for it.
decrans
Where are the graphs, Davey? Anyone can parrot a meme. It takes actual intelligence to back up your assertions.
dbmcvey
The slug now is asking for “charts and graphs.” About what? He is just repeating words that his handlers have told him to say because it makes no sense.
At least he stopped calling people “neo-liberals.” He must have realized it doesn’t mean what he though it did.
inbama
@dbmcvey
Given that almost all detransitioners are lesbians and gays misled while in their TEENS, don’t you understanding that you are bashing LGB people when you bash detransitioners?
That you have no compassion for kids who with therapy could’ve grown up to be healthy homosexuals and lesbians without missing body parts shows what a sick homophobe you are.
decrans
The charts and graphs of trans youth suicides going back to the 1900s. Do you have reading comprehension problems, dumb little Davey boy?
dbmcvey
And here’s that troll asking for something that doesn’t exist. What a stupid person he is. He’s making some kind of ridiculous claim that no one has made and demanding evidence for it. It’s a strawman, like “neoliberal” he probably doesn’t know what it means.
decrans
Oh, dumb little Davey. It’s not a strawman. Y’all like to run your mouths off constantly. “The suicides are coming! It’s here’ If it’s as dire as you claim, numbers would exist to back it up. Science, data, facts. Only ONE Google News story about trans youth suicide from 2023. ONE. That’s data. It’s not a meme you’ve parroted from the Human Rights Campaign. Be an adult and back your evidence. That’s what adults do, dumb little Davey boy.
ScottOnEarth
It’s interesting that David Hudson thinks (S)Kari Lake saying, “He looks good for an old guy transitioning into a woman” is a supportive comment about Caitlyn Jenner.
David Hudson
I was quoting the Patriot Takes tweet (the line is within quotations), not expressing a personal opinion: https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1687087871839154176?s=20
Mister P
There is data that they died in institutions and were given lobotomies in the 1920s. Does that make you happy?
decrans
I’m asking about children, though. Davey Matthews brought up children. Where’s the evidence? Y’all are exactly like QAnon Trump supporters claiming the election is rigged. Adults present evidence, not memes.
decrans
Lobotomies and institutions do not have a damned thing to do with Davey’s claim about suicide and trans kids. Pivot and dodge there, Master P. Make ’em say, “Uhhh!’
dbmcvey
The stupid supporter of fascist politicians is trying to claim young trans people don’t commit suicide. What a stupid person he is, though we know that because he supports right wing fascist politicians.
But hey, is the NIH too mainstream for him and his right wing propaganda sites? Because they have several studies.
He and his other stupid troll keep bringing up Jazz Jennings claiming she’s had some sort of terrible reaction to puberty blockers, yet, just 4 months ago she posted this:
“When I was 11, I started male puberty and was put on hormone blockers. Those blockers saved my life and continue to save the lives of so many youths out there. If I were forced to go through male puberty, it would’ve been devastating.Apr 1, 2023”
Now, to those trolls, I know they’ll come back with insane stuff from right wing propaganda sites and ignore these because they’re not serious people, but for anyone who might care about the truth, it’s out there.
decrans
You’re not serious either, Davey. If the trans youth are killing themselves in droves, go ahead and find some more data. Do it as opposed to rambling on and on.
decrans
And with the way these idiot neoliberals talk, you’d think there would be a raft of trans youth suicides. It’s the darndest thing. A simple Google News search only shows ONE trans youth suicide this year. ONE. With the way y’all parrot a bunch of bullshi+ constantly, you’d think there would be 50 suicides a day.
David
Outright lie. Try one per DAY.
Kangol2
Yet Decrans, you also point out zero links to your stats.
“More than 50% of trans and non-binary youth in US considered suicide this year, survey says” (Sam Levin, The Guardian, Sat 17 December, 2022)
“More than 50% of transgender and non-binary youth in states across the US seriously considered suicide in the past year, according to new survey data on a worsening LGTBQ+ youth mental health crisis.
The Trevor Project, a non-profit organization dedicated to LGBTQ+ youth suicide prevention, on Thursday released state-level data from nearly 34,000 queer and trans youth ages 13 to 24, showing alarmingly high rates of suicide attempts, depression and anxiety across liberal and conservative regions.”
This is how bad it is for trans and nonbinary young people:
“States where lawmakers have aggressively pursued anti-trans legislation, including Texas and Arkansas, have extraordinarily high levels of suicide risk, though the rates are nearly as high in some progressive states, including New York, California and Oregon.”
Think this is a joke?
“In California, the most populous state, which recently passed a law to protect trans youth, 44% of LGBTQ+ youth considered suicide and 14% attempted suicide, the survey found; for trans and non-binary respondents, the findings were worse, with 54% considering and 19% attempting suicide. And 70% of LGBTQ+ youth in the state said they had experienced discrimination, with 62% saying they were not able to access mental health care.
“The rates of trans and nonbinary youth who seriously considered suicide were similar in the next largest states, at 56% in Texas; 54% in Florida; 50% in New York; 54% in Pennsylvania; 51% in Illinois; 54% in Ohio; 55% in Georgia; 53% in North Carolina; and 52% in Michigan. And 16-20% of trans and non-binary youth reported attempting suicide across these states.</b A majority also said they wanted, but did not receive care.”
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Decrans, why are you actively working for a right-wing fascist politician who does not care about trans youth, LGBQ youth, Black children, or young people in general?
dbmcvey
What does the troll think “neoliberal” means? Because it doesn’t mean what he thinks it does.
decrans
Considered is the keyword. Lots of people consider suicide. This is America.
decrans
If it was one per day, david, where are the news articles to back up your assertions?
decrans
Again, I’ll tell you what it means, Davey boy. A liberal who supports the capitalist systems of oppression and corporate war machine. You support Pete Buttigieg, a man who garnered ZERO PERCENT OF THE BLACK votes while propping up gentrification in South Bend and firing Black police officiers. Ergo, that definition fits you perfectly.
dbmcvey
So, supporting Pete Buttigieg is what this stupid troll thinks makes someone a neoliberal. He just gets dumber and dumber.
decrans
When Buttigieg claimed to have “worked for years” as South Bend mayor “under the illusion that our schools in my city were integrated .?.?. [b]ecause they had to be, because of a court order” — and then contradicted himself by insisting that the city’s schools were, in fact, meaningfully desegregated — he was, consciously or not, doubling down on the legalistic liberalism that has failed poor and working-class black people in South Bend and beyond for generations.
Pete’s policy platform reflects not only this rights-based liberalism, but also the “woke” market-centric technocracy at the heart of progressive neoliberalism. Buttigieg’s “Douglass Plan” (presumptuously named for abolitionist Frederick Douglass) seeks to reverse the damage done by centuries of capitalism and racism through “entrepreneurship and job creation in underserved communities.” “Entrepreneurship is an engine of economic growth and employment,” Buttigieg’s campaign website reads. “However, people of color face unique challenges to starting their own businesses.” This fundamentally misunderstands the dynamics of racial oppression in the United States — prescribing black capitalism when exploitation and corporate power are at the center of the problem.
That is neoliberalism in a nutshell, Davey. I know what it means. Do you?
decrans
Buttigieg takes a similar approach to women’s issues. In his insistence that “ratifying the Equal Rights Amendment,” “appointing at least 50 percent women to the Cabinet and judiciary,” and “investing over $50 billion to grow women-owned business” will help improve the lives of US women, Buttigieg simply hopes to diversify, rather than dismantle, oppressive hierarchies.
Given Buttigieg’s dismal record on race as South Bend mayor and as a presidential candidate, his eagerness to project US power around the world, his clear popularity among billionaire donors (forty of whom have contributed to his campaign), his volleys against universal social programs like Medicare for All and tuition-free public college, and his consulting history at McKinsey & Company, there’s plenty of reason to suspect a Buttigieg presidency would be bad for the non-rich.
Neoliberalism, Dave. Come back and try again when you know the meaning of words, buddy.
Laryagar
Just a minor item. I decided to perform searches for the statistics decrans and others seem to crave and cannot seem to do it for themselves and post here for others to refute. The reason can be fairly obvious. There are no reliable sources for successful suicides to list whether the victim was transgender or even LGBTQ+, since it is not a statistic kept on a death certificate. Police typically report such cases as whatever their birth certificate states or is revealed in the autopsy. Being LGBTQ+ is not something that can appear in blood work or be visible in an autopsy it would not be typically listed in statistics and definitely not all the way back to 1900 where it was a hidden secret to most people. I do not know the current state of the Census but there have been efforts to even include the questions concerning sexual orientation in the last 10 years that were fought over. To make a demand for such data would either show willful ignorance or, as was stated before, a strawman argument with full knowledge that the answer cannot be given one way or another.
The reports reported here are from polls taken from unsuccessful suicides or polls reported by people who did not succeed or did not make the final decision, since typically the only people who could report it are the people who are still here. In a quick summary I had found the following:
According to a fact sheet by the Mental Health Commission of Canada, transgender people face unique stressors and are at a greater risk for suicide. They are twice as likely to think about and attempt suicide than LGB people. A study by the Williams Institute also found that transgender adults have higher rates of suicidal thoughts and attempts.
In 2018, a study revealed shocking rates of attempted suicide among trans adolescents. More than half of transgender male teens who participated in the survey reported attempting suicide in their lifetime, while 29.9 percent of transgender female teens said they attempted suicide. Among non-binary youth, 41.8 percent of respondents stated that they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives.
A recent study in Denmark found that those who identified as trans had 7.7 times the rate of suicide attempts and 3.5 times the rate of suicide deaths than the broader Danish population.
Note: these are just summary pieces from the studies mentioned and usually involve adults, since typically there are privacy laws concerning children and often those children have become adults by the time the polls were taken.
decrans
Two things I’d like to add. First off, if trans youth suicides were somewhat rampant in the 1950s, wouldn’t records in the history of some type exist documenting a subset of trans youth offing themselves en masse? That’s the core argument. Given our current technology, couldn’t we at least dig up a few coherent threads of data around these parameters? The fact of the idea then remains troubling to consider: The social contagion theory comes into play somewhat on social media. And in a generation of kids overprescribed on ADHD meds well-documented in mass media, some non-trans children have slipped through the cracks. Whoops.
That’s point one. Literature of some sort should exist back in the 1950s “on the margins of gay culture” documenting a large subset of suicidal kids upset that they couldn’t fully access Christine Jorgensen.
decrans
Point two: The Queerty editor or contributing writer mentions unique stressors. I’d like to speak to this as a former trans individual.
Most of the unique stressors involved a wide berth of factors. Your ideology is predicated on Hillary Clinton’s “It Takes a Village” mindset. And I get that we all inhabit an absolute reality hindered by shaky economies and geopolitical skirmishes. I’ll say this: Trauma resources for people like me were scattershot. I ended up de-transitioning because of it.
Once again, I think that the needs of the cis, white gays must constantly be re-centered for clarification on other needs of the acronym being met.
Mister P
If you really are on the spectrum of gender dysphoria, you need to seek more help rather than trying to elect Dick Santis.
decrans
I de-transitioned. I realized it was a ruse like ex-gay therapy. (Shrugs)
Mister P
LGBTQ youth are four times as likely to attempt suicide than their peers.
decrans
ATTEMPT is the keyword there. Earlier, y’all mentioned completed suicides. ATTEMPT is the keyword.
decrans
LIKELY is another keyword. It’s very wishy-washy. Not declarative.
Kangol2
Decrans is dismissing the mental health crisis that trans and nonbinary youth are experiencing. This is beyond disgusting. It’s documented by the Trevor Project and other organizations but Decrans, because of his/their own life choices, is now supporting a politician who actively wants to harm trans and nonbinary, as well as LGBQ, Black and other young people!
dbmcvey
See, the troll is just stupid. He screams about evidence and then dismisses it when it’s given to him because he’s not a serious person.
Assuming he is a person at all.
decrans
I asked for charts and graphs of trans youth suicides going back to the 1900s. Funny thing. No one can provide them. Presents those balls, Cartman. Present those balls.
dbmcvey
Because this dumbass troll is creating a strawman. What a stupid person this troll is.
decrans
Not a strawman. Again, y’all run your mouths off about trans youth suicide. If they didn’t have access to medicalization for centuries, rational people would say, “Hey, wouldn’t we have mass trans suicides going back for millennia?’ The vast majority of people you want to convince are going to need stats. Not press releases, Davey. STATS. Keep rambling on and on. But as I saw at the Congressional hearing on trans youth medicalization last week, lawmakers want STATS. That’s how laws are passed.
GayNOTQueer
You know what funny? How quiet Queerty has stayed about their main ally Lizzo…
decrans
Noticed that as well.
still_onthemark
Queerty gets upset when the readers make fun of fat people.
dbmcvey
Why would they report on her? She’s not gay.
GayNOTQueer
Oh, that’s convenient, isn’t it dbmcvey? Because if you search for Lizzo on this site, she certainly comes doesn’t she? And since WHEN has this site reported exclusively on Queer people? Plenty of thirsting over heteros that’s for sure. And let’s forget ‘allys’ right? And certainly Lizzo has been QUITE the ally, hasn’t she? So it is quite telling that Queerty should be ever so silent about their favourite ally. Why is that? And I somehow doubt YOU are so militant about non-Queer people being reported on at nauseum on this site, I’d say it’s quite transparent of you to care as to what Lizzo’s orientation is at this particular time in her career.
abfab
Lizzo called @gaynotqueer. She’s ready to sit on your face.
And really, I think Lizzo would agree………………….you are QUEER, but def not GAY. You’re too miserable to be GAY. It’s obvious. You suck and you are a terd. Leave the room shit head.
decrans
And here comes Abcrabs’s childish “you’re such a poop face!’ putdowns. He’s an elderly gay with the scatological mind of a 5-year-old.
kish
This website is repugnant
decrans
I agree. I only come here for the comedy from Abcrabs and Dave Matthews.
dbmcvey
The troll should stop coming. He’s not correcting anyone, just vomiting out his usual idiocy.
decrans
And again, where are the charts and graphs, Davey. Trans youth didn’t have medicalization until only recently. Shouldn’t there be a rash of suicides dating back to the AD period? You can’t back up your assertions. I call you on your BS. Go cry about it. It’s not my problem.
kish
Decrans- your trolling/sincere ignorance is part of the problem. Why is this allowed on a queer website?
decrans
Are you gonna provide me with the charts and graphs of trans youth suicides going back to the 1900s? Anybody can parrot lines from the Human Rights Campaign and/or Heritage Foundation. I asked y’all for actual data. Press releases do not count as ‘evidence.’ An ignorant person would not ask for ACTUAL GODD–NED DATA.
dbmcvey
Demanding charts and graphs that don’t exist for a randomly selected period of time on a message board that won’t let you post them. Here’s that stupid troll making more strawmen.
What a stupid, stupid person.
decrans
Nope. Y’all keep saying ‘trans youth are gonna kill themselves’ in droves. There would be mass suicides going back to the 1800s if that were the case. There would be more than one Google News story from this year if that were the case. You got out-argued again, Davey. All your rambling and namecalling will not change the fact. Take several seats and try a new method. You look desperate, baby.
abfab
kish…………..poor, sorry, kish.
David
I’d like to know exactly how Ms Jenner felt when HE was having thoughts about who she was at about age 14. Would he have found “ blockers?” She waited until she was an old lady, she has no business commenting AT ALL in the political arena. To most trans, she’s a sellout and real loser. She makes a very ugly woman, inside and out. Sick family as we well know.
inbama
Heterosexual men, as they are not feminine, do not experience childhood dysphoria and do not show atypicality in the gender region of the brain usually transition later than homosexual males. They often having completely successful lives as military people, athletes, husband and fathers.
Psychologists who’ve studied them call them “autogynephilic.” A paraphilia that involves being sexually aroused by the thought of oneself as a women. Some AGPs post photos of themselves on Twitter while they are in the ladies room and describe how wearing women’s clothes gives them a “euphoria boner.”
When you see transwomen, like former activist Dana Rivers, in prison prison for rape and murder of women, they are always AGP transwomen-with-penises – not the feminine homosexual transwomen we gay men know from bars.
The most influential transwoman in the U.S. is multi-billionaire Jennifer Pritzger (cousin of the Ohio governor). Her non-profits fund the trans movement while her gender clinics profit from it. Last year she gave the ACLU 15 million to fight laws that would ban gender surgery on minors. Of course, being rich, heterosexual and married to a woman, she hasn’t parted with her bits. Like Caitlin Jenner, she’s a Republican.
dbmcvey
And here’s inbama with a load of shite.
still_onthemark
@inbama: She is a *former* Republican who left for the usual reason, Trump. Her cousin is the governor of Illinois, not Ohio (and is a Democrat).
inbama
Yes, you’re right – Illinois.
but everything else is fairly common knowledge. Last I read of beautiful Jennifer, she was a “never Trump” Republican, but if you say she’s left the party, I have no information that would dispute it.
My point was that like Caitlin, she was not part of any LGBT movement. Now her money runs it.
decrans
According to the Sun-Times, Jennifer donated $250,000 to Donald Trump and just $6000 to Lori Lightfoot. Pritzker still sides with Republicans on the income tax proposals. See, this is my issue with the neoliberals on this hell site. They truly don’t care about other demographics beyond the LGBTQ+ umbrella. Dave Matthews is Exhibit A. He openly supports Buttigieg, a politician who eroded Black neighborhoods with increased arrests for marijuana possession. As long as Buttigieg checks that LGBTQ diversity box, Dave Matthews is completely fine with his abysmal record with minorities. The same cognitive dissonance occurs with Jennifer Pritzker. The mental gymnastics of Queerty neoliberals is truly a sight to behold.
LifeinShaw
Queerty–from now on refer to Ms Lake as “Kari Lake, former TV news actress,” which is the most appropriate description.
still_onthemark
Yes! Queerty refers to her as “Lake, the news journalist turned failed GOP politician.” The British term “news READER” would fit better. She was never really a “news journalist” (isn’t that redundant?), more like a female Ted Baxter!
Diplomat
I think the best thing that could happen for Trans is to push for bathroom locker room accommodations to be built everywhere for just trans. This is the underlying bon fire that is fueling DeSantis style laws.
The crazy making fear that must dwell in trans kids minds in how to navigate this hot topic issue is most likely monumental. Make them safe by getting bills passed for private accommodations to remedy this huge trigger point. We need new accommodations for trans men and trans women. It’s a big job but it must be done.
decrans
They don’t want to do that. How else will the Human Rights Campaign stay in business?
Mister P
Look up hyperbole then avoid it.
decrans
The new Emerson College poll showed Cornel West eating into Biden’s demographics significantly today. Unlike the No Labels poll, West had considerable margins. I cannot wait until 2024. It’s going to be fun watching DaveyMatthews’s head explode.
PoetDaddy
Given Jenner’s total failure as a parent, I don’t think they ought to making any decisions for other people’s children. It’s as if the Jenner/Kardashian household worked overtime to produce greedy, selfish children who treat each other and others with hateful contempt and utter entitlement.
Peter
“Mentally ill men?” Wow…from a woman who worships a seriously mentally ill trump, and has probably spent some time on her knees in hopes of being his VP candidate. Losers.
dbmcvey
The conservative trolls are here en masse and saying incredibly stupid things.
abfab
Let us know when they say something that isn’t stupid. That would make a great headline.
decrans
And after getting out-argued once again, Davey tucks his tail and retreats to the bottom of the comments. How sad.
dbmcvey
So much gaslighting. I apologize, abfab, these trolls should be ignored.
Jon in Canada
Caitlyn, the day will come when sanity returns to the US, granted it will take decades to root out the stupid, and when that day comes I suspect many will remember your collaboration and complicity in regards to the persecution and violence perpetrated on the innocent. On that day,if you’re still around, I hope you receive the same treatment the Kapos got.
inbama
@Jon in Canada
At this point in history on this subject, your country is way more insane than the U.S. It’s total fantasy land up there.
abfab
@bama………your brain is a total fantasy, well, more like a freak show.
inbama
@abfab
You want to see freak, dear?
Buy a mirror.
abfab
You’re really hung up on mirrors @inbama. I’ll just borrow one of yours after you tire staring at your beautiful self/
Now……….STFU, hang out with your GOPTROLLS on a sight more suitable and VOTE PENCE!
inbama
@abfab
Sorry, but I don’t take orders from ignorant trash like you.
LGBT folks need to defend our rights, yes, but not deny reality. Then we’re nothing more than cult
abfab
Then why on earth would you respond to me? You’re a twisted son of a bitch. Leave.
CNY1983
i was looking closely at the “women” who stood up applauding toxic lake when she said “they will never be women”. no wonder their husbands are cruising for anything other than them, they have never looked in a 3way mirror and seen what they look like from behind.
these “women” need to get out of the toxic lake rallys and get on a treadmill or go to the gym. how can they not smell the odor of whats between their legs when it never gets air?