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Fired Google employee says being conservative today is like being gay in the 1950s

“I was simply trying to fix the culture in many ways. And really help a lot of people who are currently marginalized at Google by pointing out these huge biases that we have in this monolithic culture where anyone with a dissenting view can’t even express themselves. Really, it’s like being gay in the 1950s. These conservatives have to stay in the closet and have to mask who they really are. And that’s a huge problem because there’s open discrimination against anyone who comes out of closet as a conservative.”— Ex-Google engineer James Damore to Business Insider, defending a sexist memo he wrote arguing women are biologically less suited for jobs in technology, and criticizing the company’s diversity hiring programs.

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49 Comments

  • mawbinatl

    So he’s saying that being a conservative is like being gay? So he’s been denied housing, shunned by his family for whom he loves, beat up by bullies for walking down the street holding your lover’s hand (Kevin Aviance), killed by homophobes (Matthew Shepherd), raped by men who think he just hasn’t found the right “man” (for lesbians) and fired for who he is (not for what you believe)?

    I see so many similarities /sarcasm/

    • mhoffman953

      @mawbinatl

      There are many similarities, some of which you named.

      Conservatives have been shunned by their families, many have been beat up by bullies on college campuses and left for dead, nearly killed by liberals when they hit a conservative over the head with a bike lock, they’ve had people boycott their business online for simply donating to a conservative Presidential candidate, they’ve been shot at by liberals, a conservative congressman was nearly killed for simply being a conservative, they lose their jobs for being conservative and are encouraged to not have an opinion at work, they’re kicked off of websites and social media, and then they have people who paint all conservatives with a broad brush and label them as Nazis.

      So yes, there are many similarities

    • ChrisK

      “are encouraged to not have an opinion at work”

      Please. It’s only when they use those bigoted opinions that they’re “encouraged” to stop.

    • mhoffman953

      @ChrisK

      I don’t think you actually read what this guy wrote about Google and the STEM field

    • dwes09

      I love how you make this shit up!
      But rest assured that the people here who know how to think simply laugh at you and move on.
      Please list one conservstive who has been beaten and left for dead by “liberal bullies”, as opposed to whining like the snowflake you people are after those he attacked successfully defended themselves.
      And why have conservatives had their businesses boycotted nimrod? BECAUSE THEY HAVE ACTIVELY REJECTED AND HUMILIATED CUSTOMERS FOR BEING LGBT, OR BECAUSE THEY SUPPORT THE DISENFRANCHISEMENT OF OTHERS NOT LIKE THEM (which is essentially what financial support for Trump’s campaign was). God, you’re dense.
      the man you refer to as losing a job for being conservative actually lost his job for making objectively discriminatory statements regarding his place of work, not for being politically conservative. He was being, as you are being, an ass.

      There is a huge difference between self defense, distaste for those who willfully eschew critical thought and logic, and being an actual criminal simply for your innate affectional preference. Your dullness is maddening, your distaste for LGBT people obvious, your self-absorption, a laugh for sure.

    • phlmeow

      What world do you live in ?? Like your GOD TRUMP says … your FAKE NEWS.

    • mhoffman953

      @dwes09

      “Please list one conservstive who has been beaten and left for dead by “liberal bullies””

      Sure thing. Since you just want one, I’ll give you one: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/26/eric-clanton-former-calif-professor-arrested-in-vi/

      That’s when California college professor, Eric Clanton, and Antifa member hit a conservative Trump supporter in the head with a bike lock, splitting his skull wide opened. Will you disavow what he did or will you turn the other way and act like it didn’t happen? Or try to justify it?

    • Juanjo

      Oh look Miss Hoffman found a news article about a former community college professor who hit a fascist over the head with a bike lock at a protest by fascists. Now I do not support people going around assaulting people anywhere but this one act hardy provides proof of this trolls screed.

    • mhoffman953

      @Juanjo

      Do you realize how dumb you sound?

      Let’s summarize your response and the response of dwes09 in regards to my comments

      >Me: Conservatives and those who voted for Trump have been violently assaulted
      >Dwes09: Lies. Prove it
      >Me: Provides proof of a man getting his skull busted open
      >Juanjo: Yes that happened but it’s not proof

      Something must be in the water that you brush off the fact that someone was hit in the head with a bike lock because the attacker disagreed with who they voted for.

      Reading between the lines with all of the information you wrote, Juanjo, it comes across as if you’re stating this guy deserved to be hit in the head and the fact that he could’ve died is irrelevant according to you because “fascists” were at this melee.

    • gayjim1969

      @mhoffman953

      So, you’re saying that conservatives who reap the consequences of their political statements/actions (losing jobs and relationships) are the same as LGBTQ people being discriminated against because of a fundamental, unchangeable characteristic of who they are? Yours is a false equivalence based on your preconceptions about homosexuality, not on factual evidence.

      I don’t condone violence against anyone, regardless of political affiliation; however, if someone is going to come after me at a rally, I will defend myself.

    • mhoffman953

      @gayjim1969

      “So, you’re saying that conservatives who reap the consequences of their political statements/actions (losing jobs and relationships) are the same as LGBTQ people being discriminated against because of a fundamental, unchangeable characteristic of who they are?”

      Are you saying that one should change their political beliefs to avoid attacks? You somehow think political belief or feeling strongly about an issue should be changeable by your final phrase regarding “unchangeable characteristics of who they are.” Your first statement seems to justify discrimination against conservatives by stating they simply “reap the consequences” for being conservative. You further illustrated my point.

      You seem to think the solution is to simply changes ones belief system, change their fundamentals, and change the very thinking that makes them who they are. Just because someone is conservative, liberal, or even middle of the road, they should NOT be violently attacked, fired, ridiculed, shunned, or ostracized for holding a certain set of beliefs. They should be listened to so that all of us can come to better understanding. I know that’s a wild concept for far left liberals to understand but it’s the truth.

      And for @Juanjo

      Here’s another incident of Antifa hitting a veteran over the head with a pipe simply because he’s not on their side: http://i.imgur.com/oqGWBoJ.jpg

      Will you acknowledge the violence from Antifa and disavow?

  • KaiserVonScheiss

    That’s obviously a hyperbolic thing to say.

    But he has a point that many people simply hate those of opposing viewpoints. All the guy did was send around a memo based on biological facts that there are differences between men and women, like how men prefer STEM fields.

    • DCguy

      Anybody notice that the anti-lgbt troll and all of his screenames always try to hide the reality of bigotry, sexism, racism, etc… behind the fake wording of “Opposing viewpoints”.

      In other words, a rapist and a rape victim have “Opposing Viewpoints” on rape. And according to you, I guess she’s the problem because she doesn’t like the rapist for having an “Opposing Viewpoint” about rape.

    • ChrisK

      I’ll bet he agrees with most alt right talking points. He sure is their hero today.

    • KaiserVonScheiss

      No, in this case ‘opposing viewpoints’ means reality. You know, biology. Maybe you’ve heard of it.

    • dwes09

      There is little actual data that shows men have an actual advantage in stem fields beyond actual discriminatory hiring, and baseless myths like you offer.
      Currently, women are much more likely to enter and finish college than men, but let’s not let reality ruin our day!

      This is certainly anecdotal, but many of the figures in early coding and high tech were women.
      There are certainly biological differences between men and women, but coding ability, affinity for technology and intelligence are not demonstrably among them.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      Biology? Women are “neurotic” because of biology? Yeah, that sounds very scientific!

    • jsmu

      Ahh, KaiservonSCHEISSKOPF rears its ugly troll head yet again.
      ‘Opposing viewpoints,’ my ass. Drivelling junk science and ‘well, because we discriminate against women in hiring in the sciences, they’re obviously inferior….’ gee, where HAVE we heard that one before? BLACKS? Want to trot out some Charles Murray black-bashing junk social science next, Scheisskopf? Perhaps you haven’t noticed the many WOMEN who were pioneers in IT, computer coding, and mathematics? *horselaugh*

    • mhoffman953

      @dwes09

      “There is little actual data that shows men have an actual advantage in stem fields beyond actual discriminatory hiring, and baseless myths like you offer.”

      No one is endorsing discriminatory hiring, we are advocating the exact opposite. If you took time to actually listen to the other side, you would see that. Instead I’ll explain it to you.

      Conservatives and some on the right are arguing that businesses should not simply hire into the STEM field or in other fields just because someone is a woman, not because someone is black, and not because someone is a minority. They should instead hire the most qualified individual.

      However, that isn’t happening as of late. Many companies are simply trying to maintain quotas to look diverse and not to have the most qualified staff. You see it with Google and their hiring practices as well as other businesses who offer Affirmative Action.

      Affirmative Action in itself is discriminatory in concept because it essentially says companies have to lower the bar to accommodate for women and minorities. Why? Shouldn’t we view all people as equal when hiring them? So why should we lower the standards for some. It gives the message that women and minorities cannot compete with their counterparts and need the bar lowered so that they can – a reason to do away with Affirmative Action and hire based on qualifications.

      As far as the differences in sexes, there are many proven differences. However, the proven differences don’t apply to every single person, they apply to people based on a bell curve, with most falling in the center and outliers on the ends, but they do exist. This can be seen from the fact that men perform better than women at chess.

      No one is saying men are better than women or vice versa. We’re simply saying men are better at some things than women, and women are better at some things than men

  • Dave in Northridge

    It’s always the same people with the same tired talking points here. Don’t feed the trolls, guys. They’re just looking for attention.

  • Bob LaBlah

    What happened to you is referred to as what you should have expected down here where I live. It was YOU who decided to return to the 1950’s and you received a 2017 response, as did ol’ rughead over there in DC sitting in the Oval Office. Your type just don’t get it. You THINK it but you don’t say it publicly. I stand with your dismissal because you should have known better. If you started with women how long would it have been before you started with those from India? You know, those darker skinned, extremely talented and educated Indians who make up the majority of your workforce. Google, Amazon, Wal-Mart,…..no one is interested in that mentality being voiced publicly except you and ol’ rughead.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      “It was YOU who decided to return to the 1950’s and you received a 2017 response…”

      I got this image of Ralph Kramden (Jackie Gleason) on “The Honeymooners” saying his usual line where he threatened to beat his wife: “One of these days, Alice… POW! To the moon!”

      Alice responds in 2017 fashion by getting a restraining order and telling her Facebook friends, as well as HR at Ralph’s employer the bus company, that Ralph is a wife beater.

    • dwes09

      Which is certainly a better response than assuming it is her god-ordained role and waiting until he actually hits her; putting on more foundation and telling friends “she tripped”.
      And the 2017 response is certainly better than thinking the threat of violence is a great laugh line.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      Yes, Ralph’s “To the moon!” stuff was seriously disturbing.

      Of course, 2017 Alice would have a job. (Maybe in tech, lol.) And a secret money stash that Ralph couldn’t waste on yet another get-rich-quick scheme.

  • hithere2

    Oh how I long for the days when men could say things like women are biologically unsuitable for a competitive corporate environment or that they are more “neurotic” than men and not suffer any consequences from their employers for their speech. Clearly there is some discrimination against men going on if men do suffer consequences for such speech.

    • jsmu

      You forgot the /snark/……most people will take you for a troll, given that post.

  • PinkoOfTheGange

    Why is the reactionaries favorite logical fallacy the false equivalency?

    • dwes09

      All too often that is all they have got, both because of reality and their impaired critical faculties.

  • jsmu

    @mhoffman953 Your utterly drivelling attempt at false equivalencies, not to say PURE LIES, will get *you* kicked off PUTA’s troll team. It’s rather obscene that you are both so imbecilic and so aggressively ignorant. Your entire post is lies, unfounded Rethug trolleries, and ‘but they did it too’ bothsidesism. Drop dead, Tolya Trollovich.

    • mhoffman953

      @jsmu

      If I typed “PURE LIES”, post which parts of my post were lies and explain how they are lies.

      Instead you you responded with emotion and no facts by labeling me a troll, obscene, ignorant, and telling me to drop dead.

      If you dispute anything I have to say then present a logical argument rather than give out insults because it doesn’t help your case.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      @mhoffman953: “they lose their jobs for being conservative and are encouraged to not have an opinion at work, they’re kicked off of websites and social media, and then they have people who paint all conservatives with a broad brush and label them as Nazis.”

      Well I’m not sure who your examples are here. Chris Cantwell for instance isn’t merely a “conservative.” He was fired / kicked off media etc. for racist neo-Nazi opinions. In Charlottesville he was yelling “Jews will not replace us!” I hope you don’t consider that merely a “conservative” opinion?

      Similarly, “Millennial Matt” and that poor, poor hot dog guy in Berkeley weren’t exactly “conservatives,” unless you’ve decided to conflate conservatives and neo-Nazis.

      At first I thought maybe Google was overreacting with James Damore. But turns out he wasn’t just some geek sitting in a corner. He had a position of “peer review,” i.e. he was in a position to recommend promotions / hiring. Since he was prejudiced (to say the least) against a large class of applicants, he was clearly breaking Google’s rules.

    • mhoffman953

      @HeywoodJablowme

      You are moving the goal posts and creating strawman arguments. I never mentioned Chris Cantwell but you seem to do the very thing I claimed the left does. You clump all conservatives, Nazis, and racists into one cluster and think they’re all the same thing.

      If you don’t believe this is happening, look at college campuses which are supposed to be environments that welcome all lines of intellectual thought and all opinions. The extreme liberal students and anarchists will violently protest if any conservative speaker is going to be on campus and you’ll even have liberal “free Palestine” protesters protest any pro-Israel speakers from appearing at colleges. This prompts the college to shut down the event.

      Do you see this same level of outrage from conservatives when a liberal speaker comes to a college? No.

      Liberals even tried boycotting LL Bean because the owner donated to the Trump campaign. She wasn’t even in your face about the donation and did it privately yet liberals investigated and became aware of this donation and called for the boycott of LL Bean.

    • gayjim1969

      @mhoffman953

      Protests at college campuses: there is a long history of protests at college campuses, and conservative student organizations also protest–something conservatives like to dismiss. You complain about others not giving examples of their complaints, yet you gave one about LL Bean.

      Let’s not forget all of the conservative-backed boycotts of companies that back LGBTQ equality and other causes; Disney, Johnson & Johnson, Kellogg’s, PepsiCo, Microsoft, Google, Kraft Foods, etc., etc.; so, people in glass houses…

    • mhoffman953

      @gayjim1969

      “Protests at college campuses: there is a long history of protests at college campuses, and conservative student organizations also protest–something conservatives like to dismiss”

      Protest is fine so that it’s done peacefully and for valid reasons. When you compare a conservative protest to a liberal protest on a college campus, you’ll see two vastly different worlds. Take Berkley for example when Milo Yiannopolous was going to speak. The liberal protesters burned cars, broke windows, hit people in the head, maced people, and did far worse. Now show me 1 example of conservatives on a campus protesting an appearance of a liberal speaker and doing the same thing.

      “You complain about others not giving examples of their complaints, yet you gave one about LL Bean”

      What’s your point? I complain about people not backing up their complaint with examples and I gave one to back up mine as you stated. Not sure what your point is regarding that.

      “Let’s not forget all of the conservative-backed boycotts of companies that back LGBTQ equality and other causes; Disney, Johnson & Johnson, Kellogg’s, PepsiCo, Microsoft, Google, Kraft Foods, etc., etc.; so, people in glass houses…”

      People on the left and right can protest or boycott things for various reasons. My gripe was the level of outrage versus the two. I never stated that conservatives never boycott and I never stated that all conservative boycotts are without ridicule. Some are justified and some are flat out ridiculous – same goes for liberal boycotts. Many of the conservative boycotts you mentioned were boycotts from a tiny fringe group.

      If you read what I wrote, I compare the level of outrage.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      @mhaoffman953: “they lose their jobs for being conservative and are encouraged to not have an opinion at work,”

      Again, WHO? Who lost their job for being a conservative? Who was thrown off social media for being a conservative? I’ve read about several now-famous NEO-NAZIS in the last week who attended Charlottesville and who lost their jobs, or were thrown off media. The only one “clumping” conservatives in with neo-Nazis is you, because you don’t (& probably can’t) give a single example of someone who has ever lost their job for being a “conservative.”

      “Changing the goalposts”: oh you mean like how you very SUDDENLY throw in the college situation? – but I’m going to surprise you there by totally agreeing with you about the college protests! Now that you very suddenly bring up that subject and change the goalposts. I’m with Bill Maher on the college stuff.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      @mhoffman953: I’m also going to surprise you by totally agreeing with you about the L.L. Bean boycott. (Where, however, you have the facts wrong.) L.L. Bean is family-owned by MANY descendants of the original Mr. Bean of a century ago. The CEO is in fact a Hillary Clinton donor. One of his cranky old aunts is a Trump donor and got pretty vocal about it. She’s a shareholder – albeit a minor one – and can do whatever with her own money. There’s really nothing the family can do about one relative. A boycott wouldn’t have any practical effect, since there is no policy change that could be made. As an L.L. Bean customer (I hike & camp) I thought the liberal boycott was misguided.

    • mhoffman953

      @HeywoodJablowme

      “Again, WHO? Who lost their job for being a conservative?”

      There are many instances. Some I can think of just off the top of my head are when the CEO of GrubHub sent a letter to all of his employees telling them that if they support Trump or voted for Trump, then they need to resign from the company immediately. There was a Houston news lady who was fired for posting to her personal Facebook page that she’d glad Trump became President because under Obama the country became more racially divided and violent according to her. Also there were 2 teachers in a Georgia school district who were fired for supporting Trump. The other one that I can remember was a company called 1st in SEO that said they will no longer employ Trump supporters or Republicans. Yet, you want to conflate all of these individuals with Nazis by constantly citing the guys who were self-proclaimed white supremacists as your justifiable example even though I’m not using any of them as an example.

      “Who was thrown off social media for being a conservative?”

      There have been many banned or suspended from Facebook or Twitter for being conservative as seen in this article: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/media/303295-how-facebook-twitter-are-systematically-silencing-conservative

      According to the article an ex-Facebook trending news curator said that conservative news sources get extra scrutiny over liberal news sources because most of the reviewers are liberal. Laurent Southern was suspended for 30 days from Facebook for complaining about this.

      Then there’s this story of 10 times conservatives were banned from Facebook for simply stating or sharing conservative views: https://web.archive.org/web/20170705202544/http://heatst.com/tech/10-times-facebook-censored-conservatives/ (it’s a web archive because the story has since been removed)

      Point being, conservatives, as a whole (not bizarro fringe segments), don’t display the level of triggering outrage as much as liberals do as a whole. Liberals even wanted to boycott Ralph Lauren for designing for Melania Trump. Plus in most instances, liberals are more violent in their protests than conservatives, just like today at the rally for free speech when the liberal protesters of the event threw balloons of urine at police.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      @mhaffman953: Thank you for FINALLY giving some examples, after repeated requests.

      Don’t get carried away. No one gets fired for “voting” for X. We have a secret ballot and no one knows that you voted for X. Unless you say so. As you surely know, at-will employees can be fired for a great many reasons, as long as the reasons are not singled out for protection by government action. (Even then it can very hard to prove.) I suppose you’re suddenly advocating greater governmental control over this area. :)

      How many gay people in conservative states are fired just for being gay? Or suspected of being gay? Maybe thousands every year. It’s legal in 30 + states. If I were stuck in the Bible Belt, I’d probably keep my political opinions pretty much to myself, and maybe my gayness too. On the other hand I’m a veteran and have learned to keep quiet about that part of my life, generally, in the liberal area where I live.

      I must admit that Facebook & Twitter are outside my area of expertise, even at a personal level, since I’m not on either one. My understanding is that the logistics of “monitoring” billions of posts each day require a lot of automatic robotic responses. Of course they have very little manpower (or personpower, lol) to keep up with it. They respond to “complaints” – which may be sincere, or trivial / malicious – without an actual human looking at the complaint. Until there is a complaint about the complaint. The articles imply that FB & Twitter try to come up with more realistic responses that are still essentially robotic, out of necessity.

      Your assertion that “conservatives, as a whole (not bizarro fringe segments), don’t display the level of triggering outrage as much as liberals do as a whole,” doesn’t reflect the real world. At least not yet! Yes, liberals seem to be trying to catch up to conservatives in the phony-outrage business. But get real, conservative snowflakes were constantly outraged for 8 years by every trivial little thing the Obamas did – even Michelle’s vegetables.

    • mhoffman953

      @HeywoodJablowme

      “But get real, conservative snowflakes were constantly outraged for 8 years by every trivial little thing the Obamas did – even Michelle’s vegetables.”

      Maybe there were some ridiculous faux outrages but I don’t remember conservatives holding marches that resulted in urine being thrown on police, windows smashed, American flags burned, wearing costumes that look like vaginas, people getting sucker punched or hit in the head with bike locks or pipes, using aerosol cans as flamethrowers, holding signs calling for the first lady to be raped, or having chemicals thrown in their eyes over these outrages.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      Although I’ve never heard of about 2/3 of those incidents (& btw, vagina costumes are perfectly legal, as is flag burning), I’ll assume for the sake of argument that they were all committed by Antifa types, usually at or near colleges (?), rather than by regular liberals. I’ve already told you I dislike the lefty college nitwits.

      And that puts you back in the very same place you were before: You are “clumping” Antifa types with regular liberals, while at the same time you object to anyone “clumping” regular conservatives in with your citronella-scented Tiki pals in Charlottesville, who actually killed someone and injured 20.

    • Heywood Jablowme

      @mhoffman: Anyway, thanks for the laugh with the vagina costumes (oooh). I’d been totally unaware that was a “thing.” When I looked it up, mostly there were protesters against Mitt Romney in 2012. I hadn’t remembered that.

      Since I’ve never seen a vagina in real life, if I were confronted with a vagina costume I doubt I’d be as traumatized by it as you are. I’d probably have said (as I often do with mysterious Halloween costumes), “WTF is THAT supposed to be?” Well, now I know. Thanks, I guess.

      But it says a lot about YOUR juvenile mindset that you just HAD to throw those vagina costumes right in with acts of political violence! LOL what a tool you are. I won’t let you forget it either. Hey, I just might bring it up every damn time you post here again.

  • Heywood Jablowme

    I would like to hear what one of James Damore’s “neurotic” ex-girlfriends has to say. Assuming he’s ever had a girlfriend.

  • OzJosh

    And these are the people who like to call liberals “snowflakes”.

  • Jack Meoff

    It amazes me how people who have always been in the majority and have never had their place in society questioned (straight and white) are so quick to draw comparisons with highly marginalised groups because they have had the ideals and position challenged for 5 minutes. These grand sweeping statements about how hard done by they are just because they don’t like having to share their place in society is truly amusing. I would love to see them try to cope if they really were placed in the same positions as many minorities have been and endure it for decades. It will never happen so we will never know so they should just think before they mouth off and try a little empathy. Sorry but I just got worked up for a minute. I think my local political climate has me worked up at the moment.

  • Darkmoon

    …assholes don’t like it when they get a taste of their own disgusting, hateful, bigoted medicine, do they. My heart DOESN’T bleed for you jerk-off.

  • eireapparent

    Well, I live in Texas. Let me tell you that being gay here is often like being gay in the 50s. So if he misses those halcyon days of conservative, bigoted omnipotence then he can come here and feel at home. I just love it when people holding the majority of power try to play the victim. I mean, they get how disingenuous it is, right?? How it makes them seem like even more like privileged douches? Talk about tone deaf. SMH

  • NeoAurelianus

    i can’t even write a full comment due to the well of tears obstructing my vision. that poor boy has faced such persecution with stoicism and true courage.

  • Keith

    No, it isn’t. You don’t know much, do you? I was gay in the 50’s and you have NO idea. You’re just an ass because of your arrogant attitude and being a misogynist as well. And socially stupid – you put out in writing within your company statements in absolute opposition to your company’s policies? You might be the only one who’s surprised that you got fired. Everyone else knew what was coming. And being arrogant, insubordinate and stupid was always hard – you always got fired. So grow up, grow a pair, and stop saying dumbass things like it’s like being gay in the 50’s. That makes you look even dumber than you obviously are.

  • Bryguyf69

    Seriously? I’m not sure what kind of Pollyannish world he lives in,, but in my reality, you don’t have to go back to the 1950’s to find homophobia. Yeah, he works in progressive Silicon Valley but he merely needs to go to the heartland and South to find the closet as a prerequisite for employment in 2017.

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