Hillary Clinton sure wants to ride the lavender wave. After a lot of foot-dragging on marriage equality, the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination seems determined to make up for lost time. The video launching her presidential campaign included two gay couples, and subsequently sent one of the couples a touching letter of support for their work in helping empower LGBT youth. Add to that her personal note of encouragement to a boy struggling with his orientation, and you get the picture of someone who is happy to be vocal in support of the LGBT community
Such friendliness didn’t always seem inevitable. Clinton has made some missteps along the way, and her inability to explain her evolution hasn’t helped any. But as a new set of emails make clear, Clinton’s stint at Secretary of State may have been the pilot program for her presidential run, at least when it comes to LGBT rights.
The emails, revealed by the Washington Blade, are part of a trove of emails covering March to Decmeber 2009 that were released under the Freedom of Information Act. In them, Clinton deals with a number of issues, foremost among them the appaling treatment of gay men in Iraq. The overthrow of Saddam Hussein actuallly made life worse for gay men, who faced murder and torture under the new regime.
“So sad and terrible,” Clinton said in an email. “We should ask [U.S. Ambassador to Iraq] Chris Hill to raise this w govt. If we ever get [Michael] Posner confirmed [as assistant secretary of state] we should emphasize LGBT human rights.”
The emails show that Clinton was thinking of LGBT issues early in her tenure. What followed was her landmark speech on LGBT rights as human rights in 2011 and her shouting matches with Russian officials over their homophobia.
Clinton is famously cautious (and if you underwent her experiences, you’d be too). But her time in the State Department must have convinced her that there is only upside to expressing her full support for the LGBT community. After acting globally, it was a short step to acting domestically. The added benefit for her campaign is that she feels like the candidate of the present and future and not the past. Good luck to the GOP nominee for matching those qualities.
Ladbrook
She needs to promise to pass ENDA and make it a centerpiece of her campaign if she’s going to win a lot of converts. After all the broken promises her husband gave us, she has a long way to go before she earns my vote.
Bob LaBlah
This woman is sounding more and more like a dragon lady in waiting. I say leave her in the past where she belongs. She has done NOTHING to warrant being president. I left her in the past when she came out with that b/s book trashing Obama. Only a hillbilly would have resorted to that.
BJ McFrisky
I believe “pandering to special interests when it’s politically expedient” would be more apt than “determined to make up for lost time”.
When oh when are people going to see the Clintons for what they truly are and not what they wish them to be?
ChgoReason
Since women make up more than half of the electorate (53% last election), for Mrs. Clinton to win the upcoming presidential election she has to convince women in either Virginia, Ohio or Florida that she understands their struggle. And that she is the one to make economic hardships a little less overwhelming. Republicans have to run the tables plus one Western state to get to 270. 2016 will not be about guns, battle flags, guns, abortion, gay rights;the next election will be about the economy, as it usually is. I believe Hillary will win, and women will be the one’s that make it happen.
Realitycheck
So far Mss Clinton has 56% of voters vs 41% for Bush, of course that means nothing since the elections are so far.
Lets just say; It would be a tragedy if another Bush was to be elected.
Stefano
@Realitycheck: I hope you Americans will note elect another Bush, they are so warlike (belligerent). You paid enough for THEIR war, don’t you think?
1EqualityUSA
The Supreme Court would be a whole different animal, for years and years. Democrats need to wallop the Tedious Right. Huge money will flow, but we are right.
Curty
Hilary is so far behind… until she gets a law through, I say she is just pandering for votes. Obama has got things done for the glbt community not just words like Hillary. I can see her easily getting elected and not make glbt inequality not a priority.
1EqualityUSA
Curty, all in good time. Presidents come and go. The justices are on for a lifetime.
Giancarlo85
Pandering this, pandering that… oh please. All politicians including Obama do that to get out voters. And Obama has done some, but so has Hillary including on the international stage. SHe has pushed LGBT equality internationally before Obama was even talking about it.
@BJ McFrisky: Why don’t you see republicans for what they truly are? A bunch of treacherous scum who are selling this country out to corporations? Maybe you’ll think before you vote… maybe. Republicans are going to destroy this country and its economy. Since you vote with your checkbook (supposedly), why the heck are you going to vote republican? Explain us that one! The last three republican presidencies have all ended up in recessions.
1EqualityUSA
Republicans want to see the middle class over a barrel financially, because people are easier to manipulate when they are fiscally threatened. The GOP are fear-mongers and vulnerable people are coerced more easily, so there’s your answer as to why the Republicans are all about fiscal irresponsibility.
Giancarlo85
@1EqualityUSA: Republicans and conservatives are extremely fiscally irresponsible. They launch us into wars based on lies and push phony tax cuts for the rich. Piss down economics… all came from the Reagan bullshit years.
Billy Budd
If I were an American, I would vote for the democrats and for Hillary. I can’t imagine a gay person doing otherwise.
1EqualityUSA
The propaganda machine keeps blowing bubbles out of the elephant. They won’t shut up about how they are fiscally prudent and good for the economy. I hope that the GOP loses so soundly that they have no alternative but to evolve. What say you, Giancarlo85? About 100 years?
lauraspencer
@Realitycheck:
NO to another Bush and NO to another Clinton. It is time to break away from the establishment. If we wanted to live under family dynasties we should have stayed under the royal monarchy or sit at home and watch the Carrington’s battle the Colby’s.
1EqualityUSA
lauraspencer, We had commenters arrogantly stating as though fact that Romney was going to be our next president. yeah.
lauraspencer
@1EqualityUSA:
Not sure what your comment means.
Rhoda Mackenzie
I love our Hill and she has always been a very good friend of the LGBT – she’s just now saying so because she protects her political career – who doesn’t” GO HILL!!
DimAsAnEmber
I think I’d rather vote for Bernie Sanders, although Hillary’s probably the second choice out of all the current candidates.
Jamzguy23
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winemaker
Is she serious? Hillary Clinton would be a DISASTER for this country. Her and her husband ‘silly’ Billy brought us NAFTA, and a bunch of other disasters. This SNAKE has the gall to pander to the Gay community extolling her accomplishments and the things she’s done for us, along with Dianne Feinstein, Nancy Pelosi & Barbara Boxer. What has she and the liberal done for us? Nada, zilch, zip, nothing, squat! I fail to see improvement! When are we as a community, going to get it and realize this bitch is simply pandering for votes, giving us lip service, and basically doing nothing to earn our vote and improve our lives. In the 6 years the ‘dumbocrats’ have controlled the White House, where are the good paying jobs we were promised? Where is the ‘affordable’ health care we were promised? So far, I and my friends haven’t seen BUPKIS!
Yes folks, time to get SMART, do your due diligence, get rid of these ‘fair weather friends’, who do nothing for us and collect big paychecks on our dime and we the people have nothing to show for it!
Saint Law
@winemaker: You’re not suggesting the Republicans are the antidote tho r u?
That would be like rejecting disaster in favor of catastrophe.
Giancarlo85
Lauraspencer, so says the person who voted for Mitt Romney. You seem perfectly fine voting for corruption.
@winemaker: Another Republican posting nonsense. You want a disaster? Look at the Republicans you voted for you putz! And all you can complain about is liberal this, liberal that. You fools drove this nation to economic disaster. But I am sure you won’t care about the facts when you cast your vote for Rand Paul or some other idiot like that.
And you show your true colors when you say “dumbocrats”. You are just another brainless fox news tool. Obama saved this nation from an economic depression you assholes created.
Who do you suggest? Rand Paul? You are a raving hypocrite and you post without any real evidence.
Giancarlo85
Oh and there have been good jobs created and affordable health. Just because you are an idiot Republican who is unemployed that isn’t our problem.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *affordable healthcare.
Funny how ACA has been a success and upheld by the Supreme Court numerous times.
Winemaker… Another gutless conservative internet troll.
Tom Pollack
Bernie Sanders has fought for gay rights for decades
1EqualityUSA
winemaker, when are you moving???
Jamzguy23
Let the candidate win ad move America forward that is my pray. I ve love America even when i was a small boy. I want to live there
BJ McFrisky
@winemaker: Sounds like you’re as fed up with California’s “leadership” as I am.
@Tom Pollack: Yes, and Hillary has for . . . months.
lauraspencer
@Tom Pollack:
Yep!! I like Sanders. He was supporting us back in the 90s when I wasn’t as easy. He doesn’t come off as the jump on the bandwagon kind of politician. He does and says what he believes even when it might not be what is accepted by the majority. That is the sign of a true leader. Sadly, Hillary doesn’t lead the band. She jumps on the wagon.
1EqualityUSA
A wagon that will be pulling up to the Casa Blanca, amigo?
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
You really seem to have a thing for Romney. I also voted for Bill Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry and Obama. Romney is so 2012. He’s the past….onto the future. You talk about Romney more than I ever did.
Clark35
Yet if you look back, she has not actually supported LGBT people or fought for our rights, and she and her “husband” actually started DOMA. She will not be getting my vote or support since she’s a total hypocrite.
1EqualityUSA
DOMA was an effort to stop the Constitutionl Amendment from being passed by the republicans
1EqualityUSA
Clark35 vote for whomever you deem appropriate, just don’t bitch (if) a Republican replaces 4 Supreme Court justices with another pack of corrupt, politically motivated fucks for lifetime appointments.
Giancarlo85
@Clark35: Bullshit! They both have fought for us. And Hillary made numerous groundbreaking speeches supporting LGbT rights to the UN, causing other nations to withdraw during her speeches. She has advanced the rights of minorities globally. And you either too naive or dumb to realize that.
@BJ McFrisky: Nobody gives a fuck what you fools in Twin Peaks or Shasta county think. The rest of California is on the correct path no thanks to you hypocrites. The last time you had a chance in Sacramento we ended up with Pete Dipshit Wilson and a shit grade B movie actor as governor (well two of these failures). Governor Brown would be the best idea for President but he is too old and ruled it out. He would blow Sanders out of the water.
lauraspencer
@Clark35:
You are correct! Bernie Sanders on the other hand voted against DOMA. He was progressive years before most other Democrats.
1EqualityUSA
Bernie will skim votes away from a truly viable candidate, much as Ralph Nader did with Gore. Repeat that mistake again and risk another Bush planted in the White House, no thanks. President Bernie hasn’t got a chance. Don’t waste your vote. Do not risk tipping the Supreme Court to the conservative side.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Yes, Hillary did make some great speeches to the UN about 10 years too late. She spoke up for LGBT rights when it was convenient for her to do so. The US population shifted their views on LGBT so Hillary starting speaking up knowing that she would still be able to garner the votes she needed. It would have been better for her and her husband to speak up and support LGBT issues in the 1990s, but at that time they did not.
Bernie Sanders support of the LGBT community was decades ahead of Hillary.
Sanders in 2016!
1EqualityUSA
lauraspencer, are you sure you’re not hired by Koch bros to try to sway the gay away to the fray? We need to win 2016, babe.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Damn you are clueless and a flip flopper. You supported Mitt Romney and now Sanders. Two polar opposites. Hillary was making those speeches before Biden or Obama said anything. Bernie is indeed a wasted vote. But it won’t matter because in the end you will end up voting for Jeb Bush, Laura. Hillary will win the nomination as Sanders has no chance, and since you hate Hillary so much you will vote Republican like you did in 2012. Liar.
Bob LaBlah
@lauraspencer: I saw him over the weekend and thought about a resurrected Lyndon LaRouche. I have to pass on him.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Yet looking at your voting record, you voted for someone who was all about bandwagons in 2012. Stop trying to skirt your past choices. We all know what you stand for. Asides from that, what is a economic conservative supporting someone like Sanders? Something tells me you’re doing that to cover your own ass.
You have NO integrity at all.
DimAsAnEmber
Sanders does seem to be closing the gap for the potential starting caucuses though. I know this is the state that she came in third in, but in Iowa a week ago Hillary had something like 65% of those polled, while Sanders had 16? And now it’s 52 to 33 percent. I’d much rather have him than Hillary, if he can bring it even closer people might consider him much more seriously than Clinton.
DimAsAnEmber
@DimAsAnEmber: *Hillary Clinton came third in 2008, that is.
lauraspencer
@1EqualityUSA:
I am not hired by the Koch’s.
I just believe in voting for who I think is the better candidate and not falling into the belief that someone doesn’t have a chance of winning so we should vote for the candidate who does have the chance.
Just because Hillary has a chance to win doesn’t mean she is the best for the job.
If we all followed this way of thinking many of us in our careers, dating lives, etc. would never take risks to get what we want. Nobody is better than someone else.
Hillary has already proven she doesn’t always win. She was positioned well in 2008 and look how that turned out. She was younger and healthier then. I wish more candidates would enter the Dem race to ignite Hillary and make prove to me that she really wants the job.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I am not a Jeb Bush fan. As I have stated previously I do not like family dynasties unless it involves the Carrington’s & Colby’s.
You are correct about Hillary making those speeches at the UN before Obama and Biden about gays in foreign countries. I’m glad she was voicing her thoughts on LGBT issues in other lands, but what do they say about cleaning up your own backyard??
1EqualityUSA
Younger, healthier, though now, more experience. Presidents come and go, the Supreme Court Justices are on the bench for lifetime appointments. Do you really want a Republican changing up the court? Christie is already speaking about the Supreme Court and how it needs to be made more conservative. We need to be all in for 2016. We squeaked by on this last one. Citizens United, Hobby Lobby, gutting the Voting Rights Act will be just the tip of the iceberg if a Republican takes 2016. Obama has done a good job despite having weights put around his neck for eight years. If a Republican had successfully killed Osama Bin Laden, Faux News would still be showing footage of it. It seems odd that you feel change is necessary. Things are looking up, jobs numbers are improving, Gays are equal Americans, Affordable Care Act is getting disenfranchised citizens into care before health problems worsen, costing more in the end. Now people can avoid costly dialysis, because they will have had their blood pressure controlled sooner, rather than waiting until an ER visit in end-stage failure. If you are gay, I don’t see how you would consider voting for a party that does such financial harm to the country and wants to roll back our rights. It’s sick. Why?
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: He’s not closing up anything. Pay attention to the actual primaries. Sanders has no chance. Some people are so ignorant.
@lauraspencer: You’re not voting for the better candidate though, and you certainly failed at that in 2012. You failed miserably. You voted for the ticket with “Paul Ryan” on it. The same Paul Ryan that gutted financial reforms. And now you’re claiming you’re supporting Sanders… could you be any more back-ass-wards?
And if you want to talk about younger and healthier, you would be talking about a YOUNGER candidate. Sanders last I checked is NOT younger than Hillary (and he doesn’t look to be in good health either).
@lauraspencer: Hillary was talking about LGBT people before democrats even were voicing their concerns. your accusations against her are false.
Sanders has no chance.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You hate Hillary so much you will vote for a republican. That is proven fact. You hated Obama enough to vote republican in 2012. What did Obama do in 2012 that was so awful that made you vote for the same ticket that had Paul Ryan on it? You’re spouting bullshit everywhere you go and you know nothing about the political issues. I’ve never seen somebody so ignorant of reality.
You wanted Paul Ryan as Vice President… that just goes to show how little concern you have for this country. And don’t say “well that’s the past”. That was only three years ago. I’m sure your ignorance has continued.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Let’s see:
This is the one for NH- He’s 8 percentage points behind Hillary there.
http://www.ibtimes.com/closing-clinton-bernie-sanders-receives-key-new-hampshire-endorsement-narrows-gap-1995880
And this is the one for Iowa, which says exactly what I did about his recent poll figures.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/02/bernie-sanders-gaining-on-hillary-clinton-in-iowa-poll-shows/
There you go.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: Not paying attention to reality. There are many other states, and Sanders will never close up that gap because he won’t be able to convince voters. Two bullshit polls though.
Giancarlo85
If you think Sanders will somehow “close the gap” you’re more clueless than I suspected. California, for example, is a state that will definitely go to Hillary in the primaries. Game over.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: How are these bullshit polls? They’re taken from the most recent data on the primaries.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: Total bullshit polls with major margins of errors and lots of percentages unaccounted for. Stop trying to stoop up two insignificant polls to importance. You seem to have major dementia.
Giancarlo85
It’s like this dimwit character and Lauraspencer want a republican in office. That’s why they are supporting Sanders. Ultimately these two want a republican in the White House. Pretty obvious!
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Not at all. I think that Sanders overall is less polarizing than Clinton, mostly because of his middle-ground position on gun rights. He seems more ambitious than Clinton, to start, and although his ideas are radical, they are based on the policies of countries where more taxes, free healthcare and free at all stages of schooling have been successful, such as the Netherlands. And although this may upset the Republican-controlled Senate, he seems much more willing to compromise on issues in order to get things done. He doesn’t seem like a president that will essentially go on standby for four years until they’re sure they’re going to be reelected.
1EqualityUSA
naive
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: Middle-ground position on gun rights? That’s an automatic “NO WAY” from me. There is no “middle ground” position on that. Sanders is more polarizing than Clinton actually just based on what you described. Hillary Clinton is the right person for the job and she will win the nomination. Sanders doens’t have a chance.
And yes, you’re incredibly naive.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Okay then, think what you’d like about the candidates. But do NOT call me a troll. Those are my views, there’s no “underlayer” of me wanting a Republican, and you shouldn’t have to make up lies to invalidate my opinion.
lauraspencer
@DimAsAnEmber:
Hi DimAsAnEmber. Giancarlo never listens. You can say you want Sanders and he will scream that you are a Republican. You can tell him that you voted for Bill Clinton, Gore, Kerry & Obama and he will still scream that you are Republican. In his young mind (I think he is 30 so we know he has a lot of life experience and has voted in maybe two presidential elections)unless you support Hillary you are viewed as a Republican. Even though Hillary is quite moderate, slightly left of center and part of the DC establishment she is a Democrat who deserves to win and Sanders in Giancarlo’s mind IS NOT.
I personally was excited about Elizabeth Warren and wanted to see what she could do and learn more about her, but sadly she didn’t throw her hat in the ring.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
I do not hate Hillary. I don’t “hate” anyone. By looking at your comments and your tone you are the one capable of hate. Not I.
If Hillary is the nominee I will have to consider other options. That doesn’t mean a Republican candidate. I am not a Bush fan as I have said numerous times.
DimAsAnEmber
@lauraspencer: I suppose that makes me insane, expressing my opinions and expecting a discussion more than once, instead of a political rant laced with personal attacks. He’s really not going to win anyone over that way.
Ronbo
@Curty: He was dragged kicking and screaming… as he “evloved”. He asked Nancy Pelosi to NOT address DADT. Luckly, she pressed forward; had she delayed as he requested, it would have never happened with a Republican House.
Facts do matter. http://www.newrepublic.com/article/112457/obamas-false-dont-ask-dont-tell-narrative It isn’t just the Clintons whose morality changed to be more with the public.
Ronbo
@1EqualityUSA: I love a good argument for moving to the right and being Anti-Sanders. Clinton supported both DADT and DOMA when her husband signed them.
lauraspencer
@DimAsAnEmber:
You are not the crazy one! Don’t expect to have a respectful discussion with GC85. I have tried for months and have been patient and respectful. It has gotten to a point that I don’t care much anymore. He doesn’t want to hear anything that veers off his personal life script.
Giancarlo85
You two are the biggest most ignorant liars on here. And then you are now slandering mu name because you two have no real argument. Laura, you have no clue about present day issues. What other options? A Republican? A third party candidate? And can you see why nobody takes anything you say seriously?
Sanders is a no go candidate. He won’t be able to attract voters or even democrats. I look at it from a practical standpoint.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: How is it slander if it’s true? You told us we want a Republican in office this term, and neither of us do, which we’ve expressed already. Therefore, you’re lying to invalidate my opinion. Look at it PRACTICALLY.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You are lying about me. I have stated the truth about you. Laura said she would consider “different options”if Hillary was the candidate. That either means a third party candidate that would help a republican get elected, or a republican candidate. This is why two are intellectually dishonest and you are also big time liars. And please don’t take my words and try to use them against me ever again. Nothing you do is practical.
You two are the biggest ignoramuses on here. Your actions, if replicated, will guarantee a republican victory in 2016.
@Ronbo: Oh puh-lease. Republicans haven’t evolved out of the 1950s, yet I don’t see you saying anything about that.
@lauraspencer: And there you go attacking my age again. You sure know nothing about the issues… so you have to attack my age. You sound like that senile Ronald Reagan. You are completely ignorant and naive. You don’t seem to have much experience or wisdom at all.
“If Hillary is the nominee I will have to consider other options. That doesn’t mean a Republican candidate. I am not a Bush fan as I have said numerous times.”
This is the gem of stupidity. What other options? You are just dishonest.
And again, how can an “economic conservative” even begin to support Sanders? You’re a back tracking buffoon!
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Really? Because if they’re replicated enough, we’ll just have Sanders as President!
DimAsAnEmber
@DimAsAnEmber: And if you’re so sure that Hillary will get the nomination, why are you bothering to argue with us?
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: No we won’t because he won’t attract enough voters, nor will he get the nomination.
You seem to be stuck in fantasy land.
You’re just a dumbass.
Giancarlo85
You two in the end will vote for a third party candidate. That’s how it goes. You don’t realize the damage you’re doing to this country by giving the republicans a chance.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
You prove exactly what I stated earlier. You believe that everyone has to vote for Hillary because there are no other options. That isn’t true. Did you get upset back in ’08 when Obama won? There was another option then and people voted for him. You seem to believe that if anyone votes for an independent candidate that must mean they are Republican. That is not true.
You call me and DimAsAnEmber the two biggest ignoramuses on here. Really? What about Masc Pride, McShane, etc. etc. There are plenty of others you attack over and over. We all do not have to agree with each other. You know that rainbow we all like to think of as a symbol of our “community”? It is a bunch of different colors for a reason.
As for my bringing up your age I know it isn’t nice, but if you act like a child I will treat you like one.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: I know what your opinions are, I’m just going off what YOU said earlier, about how dangerous it is if my ideas were replicated. And I personally think that it’s hilarious that you’re repeating the same things Republicans are using to defend their arguments. “My way is obviously better, your opinions make you a dumbass so shut up and do what I say.” You’re defending your arguments religiously, and yes, I’m using that word. Because just like religion has done and is doing, you lash out at every opinion that won’t agree with yours.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: Being full of shit is like second nature to you. When Hillary wins the nomination, there aren’t any other options. Voting third party is redundant and quite dangerous. I was fine with Obama winning the general election in 2008. I knew John McCain was senile and that batshit crazy running mate he picked should not be anywhere near the White House.
If you vote independent, you might as well give money to a republican. Only an idiot votes for a third party candidate in a general election.
You really don’t know anything about any current events or issues. You are completely ignorant of what is going on in this country (hence why you call yourself an “economic conservative” – check out how austerity has successfully fucked over nations please!).
The community would be better off without you. You’re the one acting like a child. You are a nasty immature little prick.
@DimAsAnEmber: Your views are INCREDIBLY dangerous and will guarantee a republican presidency in 2016. This is why they must be avoided at all costs. I am defending my arguments with facts and evidences (something you have never done). You’re a naive idiot. You are the one acting like a fundamentalist. Just fucking look at yourself!
Giancarlo85
The LGBTQQI community is inherently left wing. Right wing gays can stay in the closet and kiss conservative ass all they want. Maybe you two need to have a history lesson. And please don’t bring up Sanders, Laura. You’re a damn economic conservative.
You two will essentially guarantee a republican white house in 2016 if you had your way. And yes, you can kiss all the progress we have made goodbye! Self centered egotistical fools… all you can think about is how much you hate Hillary.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: No, if I had my way I’d have Bernie Sanders in the White House in 2016! And I haven’t seen any evidence from you, just broad assertions that you haven’t backed up with articles or literature. Just saying something isn’t enough to convince other people. “Just fucking look at yourself!” Oh no, is someone a little mad? Maybe you should look at yourself as well, and accept the fact that diversity of opinion will occur no matter what, and no one political statement will always be absolutely correct.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Oh, and when did I say I hated Hillary? I said she was my second choice.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You don’t really have a clue what you’re talking about. You’re pushing a politically unviable candidate who wouldn’t be able to attract the vote. Sanders would get defeated in a general election. You would in the end give republicans a big advantage. I have backed myself up. You have never done so, so it’s funny you demand I provide proof. you are a classic case of a hypocrite. Do you actually follow any current events… or anything going on in the world? Beyond what Kim Kardashian is doing?
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Then tell me how you’ve backed what you’ve said up, and don’t just say “facts and evidence.” Show me your sources. I showed you mine on how Sanders is closing poll gaps. If you’d like, I can quote all of your insults, or you can just look at them, seeing as how you wrote them, or Sanders’ political positions, as they’re displayed on several websites. And you’ve evaded the following questions so far:
How is slander if it’s true?
If you’re so sure Hillary is getting the nomination, why are you bothering to argue?
When did I say I hated Hillary? I said she was my second choice.
How are these bullshit polls? (I’m including this one because if they have such large margins of error, couldn’t Sanders also be closer to Hillary than farther?)
DimAsAnEmber
@DimAsAnEmber: How is it* slander if it’s true
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You quote two BS polls that don’t amount to evidence. And he isn’t closing the gap in multiple states. You are ridiculously naive.
And what is true? You have no evidence for anything you say, asides some dimwitted assertions. That is the problem with your argument. You look like a Ron Paul supporter right now. The polls are bullshit because they are outliers and also have major margin of errors. No, it has nothing to do with being closer or further… It invalidates the poll itself.
You are a complete and total liar who has no grasp of major issues.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: And you’ve still managed to give nonanswers for most of my questions. And you’ve done the exact same thing. At least I can quote a website. All you can say is, “Republicans are BAD!” Just because I point that out doesn’t make me one. Like I said
So here are the questions you still haven’t answered:
How is my calling your arguments “laced with personal attacks” untrue?
When did I say I hated Hillary? I said she was my second choice.
Oh, and a new one! Are you unable to make any statement without attacking the person you’re talking with?
lauraspencer
@DimAsAnEmber:
Hi DimAsAnEmber. I appreciate your style in posting information and doing it with a respectful tone.
Don’t let GC get to you.
As you can see from his postings. If you aren’t 100% for Hillary then you shouldn’t be allowed to have a voice. With Giancarlo’s way of thinking I don’t understand why he even lives in the US. If you can’t have freedom of thought and diversity of opinion why not live in a Communist country?
McShane
@lauraspencer: Hey, don’t drag me into this. 😉 I’m just going to say this, and Laura already knows. Once you’re on his sh!t list, it’s permanent. Doesn’t matter what you say or do, you’re a lair or a Republican or a troll. Like I said before, he’s an insult filled drama tornado. Don’t get sucked in.
Get some binoculars and view the destruction from a safe distance.
Before he lashes out, and he will. Do I give a crap what he thinks of me?
https://youtu.be/0cgbZqR2AGI
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You are ridiculously naive. You don’t have any real evidence to back yourself up. Outlier polls are not evidence. Your word are not evidence. You are backing a highly polarizing candidate (Sanders) who doesn’t have the political saavy and know-how to sway voters. Again, I am a pragmatic.
@lauraspencer: You consistently prove you are full of shit. I am not even behind Hillary 100%. I would prefer Jerry Brown over her. Or even Gavin Newsom. And I am not denying or silencing anyone. Don’t pull that “oh poor me” victimization crap. Sounds like what Republicans are doing in reaction to the Court decision.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: And you still didn’t answer my questions.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You didnt’ ask any questions that are considered valid. I don’t answer loaded questions nor do I answer to your endless flow of bullshit.
@McShane: Oh look… it’s the hit and run troll. What else is new? Have anymore of the same crap?
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Wow, it’s so cute that you know how to use three syllable words! I bet if you asked any of the other commenters on this thread, they would agree that the questions I’ve asked twice in a row are valid. Go ahead if you’d rather not believe me! I dare you to even try.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: What questions did you ask? I haven’t seen any asides from the constant flow of naive bullshit. I’m still waiting. I’ll probably be waiting until you figure out how to construct a proper sentence.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Okay then, I’ll ask them for the third time in a row, okay?
1. When did I say I hated Hillary?
2. How is my calling your arguments “laced with personal attacks untrue?”
There we go, for the third time. And if you’d like to show me your sources on these answers, I would LOVE that. And just a general rule, if I didn’t say it, you’re only speculating on what you THINK I’m doing.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: This is like talking to a brick wall. You can never ask any real question to a brick wall personality. They just keep repeating the same crap over and over again. You have no sources, no evidence and nothing to back up your non-existent arguments.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Are you sure you’re not talking about yourself? Because you asked me to repeat the questions and I did. And you, yet again, haven’t answered them.
lauraspencer
@DimAsAnEmber:
Hi DimAsAnEmber 🙂 Don’t waste anymore embers. He isn’t worth it. GC will never answer a direct question.
Have a nice weekend!
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You haven’t asked any real questions. And you keep restating the same old nonsense.
I’ve answered plenty of questions. I just don’t do loaded questions and bullshit. Lauraspencer is full of shit for example.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Really? Pressing you, who obviously does their research, to come up with a point where I said I hated Hillary is too hard for you? You keep saying that you back everything up, but how do you plan to do that with the aforementioned statement? All you’ve done is make statements. Again, show me your sources, I want to see! And how is Lauraspencer “full of bullshit?” Again, back it up by using, I don’t know, a QUOTE.
DimAsAnEmber
@lauraspencer: You, too, Lauraspencer!
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You have never done any research of any kind. Most of your responses are based on a naive and foolish understanding of politics and current events. You are just downright pathetic. You have no evidence. How old are you? 16 or 17? It really shows in your stupid statements. Where are your sources? And please don’t cite some garbage polls. Lauraspencer is an economic conservative, and by that definition FULL OF SHIT.
Giancarlo85
And it’s funny you’re demanding sources when you can’t even provide any of your own. Your arguments are that of a child who hasn’t experienced much in this world. Lauraspencer always attacks my age, but shows more ignorance and inexperience than a teenager.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: But you’re not denying that you haven’t backed up anything that you’ve said with evidence either. Here, I’ll answer your question for you. I never said that I hated Hillary, not even once, in this discussion. And it’s very obvious that you can’t talk to people with different opinions without insulting them. Here, I’ll back it up, right now, just for you!
“your stupid statements”
“You are just downright pathetic.”
“You are a complete and total liar,”
“You seem to have major dementia.”
Is this a lie? Or is it true that you can’t be anything but downright awful when you view something that you see as wrong? Because no, you don’t know 100% anything that you’ve written in this comment section. Because you can’t see with absolute clarity, despite claiming to be a pragmatist. And you can’t predict the future with absolute accuracy, so stop acting as though your opinion is totally right and supreme to all others. Oh, and if you can do both of those, then you better go see the Amazing Randi and get that $1 million, because you’re fucking supernatural.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: And again the dim wit is back at it. Trying to bring up old quotes now and taking statements uot of context. What I stated is not just an opinion, but rather fact about your condition. You’re not capable in grasping current events and important issues. Your ideas are simplistic and naive. You’ve said you can’t stand Hillary and you want some “no-go” candidate to win.
I am pragmatic and can see things quite clear. I know you’re just a naive know-it-all who thinks he has the answers for everything. You are a major hypocrite and you keep proving it over and over again, fucking moron.
Giancarlo85
“And it’s very obvious that you can’t talk to people with different opinions without insulting them. Here, I’ll back it up, right now, just for you!”
You haven’t earned any respect and the way you talk is reminiscent of a 15 year old. You haven’t earned shit and you haven’t backed up anything. You’re not capable in having an actual discussion! You just aren’t informed enough!
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: If you had treated me with a shred of it from the start, I may have been more receptive. And neither have you! You’ve called everything that you don’t like bullshit from the very start. And you think I’m repeating myself? You can’t seem to do anything but spout insults directly after trying to discredit my opinions. And how can I be a hypocrite if I’ve offered what I BELIEVE to be evidence for my cause, and then never gone against it? All you say is “no-go” “bullshit” “liar,” but you haven’t been respectful enough for me to take whatever you say seriously! The way you act in discussion is “reminiscent” of someone who’s six! What are you going to do next, call me a poopyhead?
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: You never fucking earned any to start with! Ever since I’ve seen you post, it’s all the same naive bullshit! You have so many childish ideas about this world. You have not seen much apparently! The same thing goes with Lauraspencer. It has seen very little of the world. You’re a fucking child and you have no real world knowledge.
Giancarlo85
AND YOU HAVE NEVER PROVIDED ANY FUCKING EVIDENCE. EVER. YOU HAVE NEVER SUPPORTED ANY OF YOUR NAIVE ARGUMENTS! How many fucking times do I need to repeat this?
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: And neither have you! You’ve spent so much time attacking my opinions that you have little defense for yours. And you yourself have never followed up on any of your statements with a why or how. Oh no, that Caps Lock is really cutting deep, honey. I have supported my arguments with credible polls that you brushed aside because it says something that goes against your opinions, and drew on political opinions of the candidate I’m sponsoring to form an argument. And as for your last question, I’d rather you didn’t keep repeating. It’s beginning to feel like I’m talking to a brick wall of indignation. Feeling mad? Go ahead, break your computer, I’m sure it would relieve some of the stress that pathetic and demented me is causing.
Giancarlo85
I have done more than you. I am so sick of seeing your ignorant and naive posts. You never make a point. All you say we should do is hug people who want to kill us. You’re just pathetic. You haven’t provided any “credible polls” and “polls” have nothing to do with building an argument (you need to provide actual evidence supporting points). The candidate you are sponsoring is failing miserably in countless states. You’re an idiot who just takes words I say and repeats them because you never have any original thought. You need someone to pound some sense into your head.
Giancarlo85
Your ideas will lead to a total republican take over. The House and Senate will solidify in republican hands and there will be a republican in the White House. Luckily your ideas will never be implemented and your candidate will fail miserably. Ever heard of blowback? Maybe you should look at your statements for a change!
Giancarlo85
I’m done with this. You make me sick. You continue what you’re doing. One day you’ll realize how fucked up you are. You remind me of Ron Paul supporters… blind, delusional and arrogant.
Go ahead and post a big stupid reply. I am done dealing with someone as low and pathetic as you!
1EqualityUSA
Others, besides Queertiers, read these comments. Inane bickering and in-fighting may even delight our opposition. Boys, go to your rooms!
DimAsAnEmber
@1EqualityUSA: I’ll admit I laughed at that!
1EqualityUSA
If this were neck and neck, if this election was too close for comfort, I’d be freaked, but the Republicans are pathetic and haven’t got a chance. Their candidates are road-apples.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Once again you don’t know what you are talking about.
As I have said in previous posts, my father was in the Air Force for 20 years. I was an Air Force “brat” for 14. I was born in California and throughout my childhood and teen years lived in North Dakota, Massachusetts, Guam, Arizona, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York. As an adult for work and pleasure I have travelled to Japan, Canada, Australia, France, United Kingdom and numerous other US states..Texas, Florida, Maryland, Virginia, Utah, Georgia.
Please do not suggest that I haven’t experienced the world. I have lived in more places and travelled more than most Americans probably yourself included.
DimAsAnEmber
@1EqualityUSA: You’re definitely right that the Republicans have no chance! I’m more interested in who gets the Democratic nomination. Who do you want?
1EqualityUSA
DimAsAnEmber,
Hillary Clinton. It’s her time. She’s tough enough to deal with the Washington scene, her husband will obviously be engaged in seeing her succeed, and women are really pushing back on the Tedious Right. Bill Clinton’s legacy was a bit frayed on the edges, so it’s sort of a second chance to make amends. I think they both really want to serve, they need it and have been positioning to win. (my mind is so blanking on the word I want to use) A chance to repair damage done to the Clinton name. Possibly their daughter would like to serve in this fashion. This is a chance to steer past the Republican minefield. They both have a lot of experience.
DimAsAnEmber
@1EqualityUSA: That’s fair! You’ve most likely seen who I’d like. Sanders is farther left than Clinton, but I think that the few positions he has that lean towards the center could help him connect to Republicans and maybe win votes from a Republican presidential candidate that people become disillusioned with. Hillary’s definitely my second choice, but I think the problem with her is that people who have made up their minds about Hillary won’t be swayed as easily. I wish that they would declare running mates earlier though, depending on who the players are running with might change my opinions.
1EqualityUSA
Debates will be interesting.