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Pope Denounces Gay Marriage As End Of Society In World Day Of Peace Message

There is also a need to acknowledge and promote the natural structure of marriage as the union of a man and a woman in the face of attempts to make it juridically equivalent to radically different types of union. Such attempts actually harm and help to destabilize marriage, obscuring its specific nature and its indispensable role in society.These principles are not truths of faith, nor are they simply a corollary of the right to religious freedom. They are inscribed in human nature itself, accessible to reason and thus common to all humanity. The Church’s efforts to promote them are not therefore confessional in character, but addressed to all people, whatever their religious affiliation. Efforts of this kind are all the more necessary the more these principles are denied or misunderstood, since this constitutes an offence against the truth of the human person, with serious harm to justice and peace.”

From Pope Benedict XVI‘s message for World Day of Peace 2013 (on January 1) entitled “Blessed Are the Peacemakers,” though it could easily be renamed, “Oblivious to Irony Is the Vatican” (via ANSA.it).

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87 Comments

  • Dakotahgeo

    Notice how Pope Poopey’s evil eyes almost gleam when beckoning the “little boys” to come to him?!? And the RCC swears it is doing all it can to change the church’s stance on pedophilia… un HUH!!!

  • Dionte

    Not surprised, he looks evil. Eyes are the gateway into the soul, I believe is
    how it goes.

  • 1EqualityUSA

    Our neighbors are not harmed. They think we are the best neighbors one could have. We neither harm them nor disrupt peace in any way. This is slanderous.

  • Caleb in SC

    I have the perfect way to promote world peace — abolish the Catholic Church. Hell, for that matter, abolish all organized religions.

  • Dakotahgeo

    @Dionte: Thank you, Dionte! Alas! Where do the eyes go when they hit a dead end… no soul; even worse… no heart!

  • Jonathonz

    How egotistical he is to think that he has some sort of special insight into the “truth” of humanity. He doesn’t have any insight whatsoever into my truth. He’s as blind as an old bat.

  • gppm1103

    This from a stupid man that was part of the Nazi youth. Benedict, please just commit suicide. That’s what the Romans did that you are pretending to have replaced. Not all the Romans of course just the losers in the power game.

  • jwrappaport

    His argument could be dismantled by a third-grader: How does he know homosexuality is unnatural? Even if he did, why does that make it wrong, let alone dangerous to humanity?

    Also, can someone photoshop the pic and add Sith lightning? Palpatine lives!

  • GreatGatsby2011

    @jwrappaport: Beat me too it!!! “Give in to the dark side… of the Roman Catholic Church.”

  • 2eo

    I think fucking kids is evil, why do so many of your closest followers do it so often?

    You sick catholic fucks.

  • alexoloughlin

    Facts please, Pope! Same-sex marriage is legal in 11 countries and growing. Provide us with the evidence to substantiate anything you say? Who was responsible for one in two hetero marriages failing prior to SSM? Who was responsible for the adultery that caused many of them to end in divorce? Oh and who invented divorce? Why, straight people of course! Go pick a bone with them, damned imbecile. This from a morally bankrupt cult

  • Cam

    I have two comments.

    1. How did society do when the Catholic Church had control over it? If you remember, when the church basically ruled Europe, that period later became known as “The Dark Ages”.

    2. The neverbeen married head of an all male celebate organization. Yeah, there’s somebody who can speak about marriage with authority.

  • Mr. Enemabag Jones

    @Dakotahgeo:

    That’s one thing you can say for Pope John Paul II–he never looked like an evil bastard, the way this guy does.

  • erikwm

    The Pope’s comments on marriage and homosexuality are always gibberish. They are devoid of any sense of logic.

  • balehead

    So Creepy and out of tune with the real world…

  • balehead

    Susan Sarandon was so right about this guy!!

  • Ken A.

    Why do people quote him. Who cares about his opinion. If he studied the history of marriage he would know that it was not about one man one woman but a business relationship. People ignore him.

  • brent

    @Caleb in SC: I agree let’s abolish all religion. But when you do so don’t forget to abolish the global warming religion and the cult of Al Gore.

  • loren_1955

    I have read the bible for half a century. There is something in the words and stories of Christ about homosexuals. He lovingly healed the servant/lover of the Roman Centurion. He did not condemn their relationship.

    On the other hand he did with force condemn those that don’t protect the children. Based on the words of Christ I believe the greatest condemnation and travesty among today’s religions is the horrible unforgiveable use of children by the Catholic priests around the world.

    Pope, clean up your own flock before judging others who, quite frankly, want nothing to do with you and your kind.

  • jmmartin

    I leave it to others to catalog the insane fallacious “reasoning” of this pontifical sap. See what happens when you take an old Nazi Youth German and vote him pope so that he can rely on a long tradition of Goebbelsian obfuscations and dogmatic rants — note his apologist tone. It smacks of talking down to us. After all, he is “the Holy Father.”

  • Billysees

    @Jonathonz: 6

    I feel like saying what I really think of these “costume wearers” but not now.

    But, I can say that the long-suffering of many, unrecognized as worthy by these people, will accomplish more for our own well being undeterred by all of their fancy worded cynicism.

  • Billysees

    @alexoloughlin: 11

    Say it again friend…….say it again…..

  • 1EqualityUSA

    loren_1955, I love you.

  • queerty1958

    To me, the pope is just a man who is no better than anyone else. I ignore his evil and ignorance.

  • GayBacon

    yes, because we’re all going to take a beyond old man who wears a giant egg on his head every day seriously.

  • MK Ultra

    As others have mentioned, this man isn’t just rotten on the inside. He physically looks evil, like a short Nasferatu. Everything about this man screams villain.

  • Atomicrob

    This war on gay America is getting old very fast. Someone should speak out against this obvious bias.

  • 2eo

    @Atomicrob: The funniest thing is the bible mentions literally NOTHING on homosexuality, and repeatedly pans the notion of a heirarchy in support of god. The pope is more anti christian than any homosexual.

  • TxHeat

    Nazi Razzi the Evil Old Nazi Pope is trying to continue Hitlers work. I found some good images by typing in Nazi evil pope in google image search.

  • avesraggiana

    The more pronouncements this old fucker makes, the more irrelevant he becomes.

  • Chris-MI

    His church is dying, and he’s looking for a reason. “We’re corrupt” and “We’re wrong” just isn’t on the table.

  • MartinDK

    The only problem with your hatred for religion is that human psychology is intimately tied up to it. What happens when you substitute “Reason” for “God”? Reason is also the capacity for lying, deceit and all the awful things that can follow from it if it serves your reasonable interest. Burning down a forest to exploit mineral wealth underneath makes perfect sense to the people who benefit. When they have power they will do it as in James Camerons Avatar.
    Religion is not perfect but it is a vital source of guidance and ethics. The modern day churches are too often too far removed from the original beneficial contents of the religion.
    Just be careful what you wish for. Some of the greatest butchers in this world where self-proclaimed atheists that swore only to Reason…

  • MartinDK

    Oh and tell me just how it is reasonable to devote a great deal of societys ressources to the care of the infirm and hopelessly mentally ill. People who no longer know they exist. Why is it not more reasonable to euthanize that problem away? Perhaps some things need to remain sacrosanct? Working to change religious expression is so much preferable to abolishing it. Christianity has divided on so many issues before, it can do it again. Jesus is in our head, and he loves us, love him back :P

  • 1EqualityUSA

    MartinDK, The church is dabbling in politics. The Church will suffer for this unholy alliance, as compromise will no longer come to the church through discovery, but rather political whim. If the Church had talented teachers to spread the word the way Christ did, passing futile man-made laws through worldly political might, laws that stand to be over-turned in time, would be seen as an unwise use of resources. The church could win hearts, but not using this avenue of hateful oppression and political twisting. A transformed heart is way more powerful than temporal laws passed under pressure. Any Pastor, Priest, or religious leader, tugging on the coattails of Senators, have little faith in their own Father’s Word.

  • jwrappaport

    @MartinDK: Reason can’t be substituted for a religious deity or object precisely because reason describes a process, a means for us to make sense of the world we live in – it has no moral or ethical content. The argument is not that religion should be replaced by a new dogma of reason (quite the contrary, as reason/skeptical inquiry is flexible and adaptable by its very nature), but rather that appeals to the supernatural (i.e., religion) are not a necessary condition for ethics, morality, or truth, and that they never have been.

    Also, please connect the dots for me: Hitler and Stalin (whom I presume you implicated by “greatest butchers”) swore only to reason? There was nothing “reasonable” about Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia: Each replaced religion with the state, god with a dictator, and gospel with fascistic demagoguery. Religion was not destroyed, but rather co-opted to serve the government.

    Is your argument that the reason both were such monsters is because they were atheists? If that’s so, then you implicitly must argue that belief in the divine is either a necessary or sufficient condition for morality. The crusades would tend to militate against the latter, and the existence of atheists such as Bill Gates, likely the single most generous humanitarian in the history of the world, would negate the former.

  • jwrappaport

    @MartinDK: Also, you don’t need a divine injunction to tell you that it’s moral to care for those who can’t care for themselves. Hippocrates understood this almost half a millennium before Christ was said to have come along, and physicians today still repeat his words before they receive their MDs.

    I’m certainly not saying that religion should be abolished or that you shouldn’t be free to worship – it’s one of the most important elements of any free society, not to mention a cornerstone our intellectual and artistic history. What I am saying (along with other secular humanists I imagine) is that we all have the power to be merciful, kind, honest, just, and moral without the specter of divine retribution or injunction.

  • Ken A.

    It is not religion I’m against, but those in power–not just the Pope–in those religions who use their power–as ill gained as it is–to influence hatred. He just blessed Uganda’s leader who swears to pass the Kill the Gays Bill. They must be stopped of course. Same sex marriage is not the business of religion or religious leaders. They should stick to saving souls, helping the infirmed and the down trodden. Cloth the naked and feed the hungry.

  • Guillermo3

    What do you expect from a Kraut pope?Maybe I. Farben can help with some aspirin,or gas!

  • MartinDK

    @jwrappaport: haha omg!! Do you really think i dont know this song? I used to believe in it myself. That is until i began to study psychology. The God-image is the image of the total personality, our humanity in effect. Kill it and you kill our humanity.
    Bill Gates? Humanitarian? He is one of historys greatest monopolists and all time wealthiest. He has plenty to spare for what he has given.
    It is true that the peoples of dictatiorial Russia and Germany worshipped the leader, but who did Stalin and Hitler worship? Both communism and Fascism were products of filosophy and reason, and its when we pin our hopes on reason alone and least suspect the hand of the Devil that he is most dangerous. Hitlers logic told him the moment was ripe (and he was very nearly right), and with no checks on reason history ran its course. Inquiring science did its best to help the project along in Germany and in Russia. Dr Mengele etc actually ensured that Nazi Germany was equipped with better weapons for most of the war (but quantity has a quality of its own as Lenin said…).

    I think it is fun to use this religious language. I could substitute a psychological language instead, however the you study these things the more appearant it becomes that religion is a natural part of us and corresponds to things in the psyche that definitely exist, even if they can only be experienced subjectively. More than 95% of the worlds population profess to some sort of spirituality, all of which are founded on the archetypes…

  • MartinDK

    @Guillermo3: you probably know better than that remark. All people carry god as well as the devil inside, and all people are equally capable of killing and war. America starts more wars than any other nation…

  • jwrappaport

    @MartinDK: Your response isn’t completely coherent to me, and you didn’t really address my criticism, namely that you have not demonstrated at all that a belief in the divine (let alone the divine itself) is necessary for morality or ethics. As I understand it, that’s what your essential claim is: religion is a necessary check on evil and that we cannot be moral or ethical without it.

    You have an unfathomably high burden of proof, and pointing to Stalinist Russia and Nazi Germany as object lessons in what happens when you remove religion from society doesn’t cut it. Not only did one of them (Nazi Germany) maintain its religious identity, but also both exhibited what I believe to be the most insidious aspect of religion: The infallibility and omnipotence of the person in power – questioning their legitimacy is either sinful, illegal, or both. That’s called tyranny, and I don’t buy its arguments any more now than I did when I was in CCD/catechism as a child.

    A minor quibble, Mengele was a physician and had nothing to do with weapons research, and much of his “work” was medically nonsensical.

  • Guillermo3

    @MartinDK: No,unfortunately I don’t,
    MartinDK,but I do know history.Living for 36+years here in
    Quaker/Krautland hasn’t helped,either.Between German Protestants and German Catholics,it’s almost a toss-up,but German Catholics are clearly worse.

  • MartinDK

    @1EqualityUSA: Beautifully expressed!! I agree 100% Carl Jung (my guru) actually said almost the same, and added that it is unfortunate that the people of faith have fallen back on dogma and tradition to justify their religion, and are content do defend what they already have, rather than expand their building and teach the value of symbolical truth.

  • MartinDK

    @Guillermo3: So how did the US treat the indians? With honour? Please dont talk about history like that. Except for Finland theres hardly a nation or a people whose hands are not red with blood spilled in aggressive war

  • MartinDK

    @jwrappaport: the “divine” is an archetype, collective unconscious content that is autonomous and not associated with the ego. All conscious contents are associated with the ego that is why they are conscious. Christianity expresses the archetype of The Self and Christ exemplifies this archetype:

    ” As the highest value and supreme dominant in the psychic hierarchy, the God-image is immediately related to, or identical with, the self, and everything that happens to the God-image has an effect on the latter. Any uncertainty about the God-image causes a profound uneasiness in the self, for which reason the question is generally ignored because of its painfulness. But that does not mean that it remains unasked in the unconscious. What is more, it is answered by the views and beliefs like materialism, atheism and similar substitutes, which spread like epidemics. They crop up wherever and whenever one waits in vain for legitimate answer. The ersatz product represses the real question into the unconscious and destroys the continuity if historical tradition which is the hallmark of civilization. The result is bewilderment and confusion.” Jung AION 109
    ” (…) the destruction of the God-image is followed by the annulment of the human personality. Materialistic atheism with its utopian chimeras forms the religion of all those rationalistic movements which delegate the freedom of personality to the masses and thereby extinguish it. The advocates of Christianity squander their energies in the mere preservation of what has come down to them, with no thought of building on to their house and making it roomier. Stagnation in these matters is threatened in the long run with a lethal end.” Jung AION 109

  • jwrappaport

    @MartinDK: That’s what we call in the law a non-responsive answer. I’m not interested in your cut-and-paste of Jung – I’m interested in you justifying the claim that religion is necessary for ethics and morality, let alone that your metaphysical beliefs are worthy of being believed.

  • MartinDK

    @jwrappaport: Aha i would have thought it was most revealing :D
    Ok sorry. It is NOT a question of metaphysics. It does not matter if God exists as a “thing” or where paradise is located in space. These things have a psychic existence. The science you now came about the time of the renaissace. It differs in that it is critical to the immediate psychic impression of the world but it is psychic all the same. Everything exists only as will and idea said Schopenhauer because everything begins in your head. You cannot get away from it. Your science is a model thought up. It will be replaced later.
    The archetypes are part of our unconscious and are a guidance system telling us how to be “human” and not “horse” or something else, that predates consciousness.
    In Space odyssey 2001 the pillar symbolises consciousness. First human consciousness in the monkey scene then the attainment of computer consciousness when it is found on the moon. As is expressed in the film consciousness is the original sin, the snake in the paradise that gives us (and the computer Hal) potential for evil.
    Animals are morally superior to man. They do not lie. They are probably guided by images similar to those produced by our unconscious, visible to us in dreams and art. These images tell us what is what is proper, what is human(e). It is from here ethics and morality originate.
    They contain “psychic energy” (the ability to produce an effect) and we are consequently impressed by them and worship them accordingly as “gods”.
    Trust me i can give convincing arguments for every statement but space here is limited and i refer you to Jung. It is a very rewarding experience, one that explains religion and human nature very very well.

  • MartinDK

    So as the archetypes express human Nature (being a mother, son reproduction, family etc in the distinctly human way as opposed to the “crab” way. They express whatis “right” or moral for us. People have since the beginning of reckoning brought this knowledge on to the following generation with great ceremony, there you have RELIGION. Do not fight it. Live with it in a sensible way. It is who we ought to be. What will makeus happy…

  • MartinDK

    We are guided by these images or series of images with a plot (a myth). They form a foundation for our morality that escapes and transcends science. You cannot explain scientifically why Baldur the Norse God had to die, and why the mistletoe killed him. Why did it do that? He was only good, nothing evil in him. The mistletoe killed Baldur because he was the personification of a mothers image of how her son ought to be. Nicely dressed, well-behaved etc, but the real son, the mistletoe (that was too young and consequently not taken into oath not to harm Baldur by Baldurs mother Frigg). Has a right to shape his own life and thus kill his mothers idea of who he should be. These things were expressed long before critical science, as religious myths that tells us how and why (begründen in german, no corresponding english word).

  • MartinDK

    And now say but this pope and bishop did this and that terrible thing. Yes they did. They are HUMAN, not gods, and you already know that, you tell me. So why act surprised? Their humanity lays them open to temptation, but the truth in relgion is archetypical and autonomous and pure (or as pure as the profet who intuited these things, an approximation is the closest we will ever know of the “real” archetypical content)

  • jwrappaport

    @MartinDK: Animals cannot lie? You’ve never had a Labrador Retriever. They are masters of deceit, acting as though they haven’t been fed to steal seconds. To say nothing of cats. Or primates. In short, many intelligent animals lie, and they’re darn good at it. I digress.

    You make wildly bold claims, among them that religion is not only hardwired into us, but also good, natural, and right for us. Yet, we’re not really arguing about why humans create religion or what its psychological roots are. I think it’s reasonable to say that we’re superstitious, smart primates who need to have reasons for things that we observe or emotions we feel – that we often prefer junk theories to no theory at all, and will often distort reality to come to terms with things we just don’t understand or rather don’t want to. Religion fits this niche perfectly, and if I may namedrop myself, Freud expressed it best: So long as we fear death and the unknown, we will have religion.

    The issue before us is very clear: You said that religion is a necessary condition for man to be ethical and moral, and I say bollocks: I think we can be perfectly moral, good, and kind beings without invoking the supernatural or living in fear of it.

  • Charli Girl

    THE. TRUTH IS…. Because they are LOSING their battle! They speak out all they can..they are exposed!!
    Going down like the titanic…adios amigos!!!

  • Charli Girl

    HOLY BATMAN! I didn’t even look at this male and NOW I see his EVILness..Holy shit!
    Is it possible the gay community is harassed because WE ARE exposing their evilness????
    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

  • Guillermo3

    @Charli Girl:Nice thought,Charli Girl,
    [what did you do with Georgie,BTW?],but we shouldn’t give ourselves
    airs.We[everyone] should know,unlike the Weimar Germans that
    Evil is NOT an ILLUSION.

  • 2eo

    @MartinDK: “Trust me i can give convincing arguments for every statement”

    Funny how you posted hundreds of words and it was all, absolutely literally to a word useless. What an idiotic belief system you’ve got going on, it’s almost like you’ve made it up solely to exist as an internet persona.

    religion is and has never had anything to do with morality or the human consensus. The fact you’ve even tried to use this dimwitted rhetoric has completely overshadowed and rendered everything you think and say worthy of dismissal and nothing else.

    You do not have any answers, and the fact you think ridiculously highly of yourself is also telling. Troll.

  • Guillermo3

    @brent: What “[email protected]Billysees: AND:@Billysees:
    Merry Christmas,Billysees! Bravo for your”say it again”
    to Alex Oloughlin!
    You are obviously a good person,but,I’m afraid,
    more than a touch naive:Please don’t let that de-rail your goodness!

  • Guillermo3

    @brent: brent:What religion of
    global warming and cult of Al Gore?!? Global Warming is a Fact.
    It may destroy our world.I imagine you believe in the great
    benefits of shale “fracing” for natural gas?!
    Unfortunately you seem to remain the same naive right-wing fool
    as you have been in most of your previous posts!

  • Guillermo3

    @brent: brent:What religion of
    global warming and cult of Al Gore?!? Global Warming is a Fact.
    It may destroy our world.I imagine you believe in the great
    benefits of shale “fracking” for natural gas?!
    Unfortunately you seem to remain the same naive right-wing fool
    as you have been in most of your previous posts!

  • brent

    @Guillermo3: The alarmists have a long history of doomsday scenarios. In the 1960s they told us that the earth is overpopulated and that by the 1980s we would be starving because there would not be enough food and water. In the 1970s it was an ice age they were scaring us with. These brillant scientists missed the one thing that was happening. That we were headed for obseity, not a famine. Human’s do not control the weather in any way. People who think otherwise are religious nuts, that includes Pat Robertson and Al Gore.

  • Guillermo3

    @brent: And you,brent,once again,
    are a right-wing fool.I suppose,living in Michigan,you believe
    that anything that supports the automotive industry is good.
    Please do not reply:Further comments on this subject from you
    will be responded to as either No Response or as Deleted.I may
    respond to my own such responses as “Congratulations!”

  • Dez

    REALLY POPE? YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT JUSTICE? HOW ABOUT JUSTICE FOR GAYS, WHO ARE JUST ASKING FOR EQUALITY! AND TO NOT BE ATTACKED BECAUSE OF YOUR MISINFORMED AND HATEFUL COMMENTS AND ACTIONS.

    OR HOW ABOUT JUSTICE FOR THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED THROUGHOUT HISTORY AND STILL TO THIS DAY, ALL IN THE NAME OF VIOLENT RELIGIOUS ZEALOUSNESS CAUSED BY YOUR IGNORANT AND ANTIQUATED RHETORIC?

    GIVE US THE CHANCE TO LIVE OUR FU*CKING LIVES IN PEACE! AND GO HELP THE POOR AND HOMELESS PEOPLE OF THE WORLD LIKE YOU’RE F*CKING SUPPOSED TO DO!

  • Guillermo3

    @Dez: Hear!Hear!,Dez! I don’t want
    to attack religion in general,or the RMC in particular,but the
    Vatican’s history doesn’t help:I’m thinking of the 16th century
    Papal decree/law [which is still in effect,despite pleas from many,
    including the Dalai Lama,to remove it] declaring the right and
    responsibility of Christian Nations to convert,forcibly,if deemed
    necessary,
    All nonbelievers,or “heathens”[Protestants,Muslims,Jews,Hindus,
    Buddhists,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.]and to posses their lands and
    properties,to forbid the practice of native religions,native magic,
    native healing and to take or destroy their religious art and temples.
    The encouraged,approved of,and promoted centuries of European
    imperialism and colonialism and the huge exploitation of African,
    Native-American,and Asian slavery or servitude.MORAL LAW.

  • MartinDK

    @2eo: LMAO!! You sad thing. You troll this and probably other websites ramming “your” badly argued opinions down everyones throat, even when you have no business doing so as in the case of US domestic policy. Its not your country.
    Take one of your pills and stop trolling the internet…

  • 2eo

    @MartinDK: “even when you have no business doing so as in the case of US domestic policy. Its not your country.”

    You know it helps when you remember to use the proxy. Although the wording did give it away you’ve been pretty good at hiding the obvious tells in your posts, which is surprising.

    MartinDK is BJ, the addresses match. Server transactions show his address matches previous BJ posts and his address also logged out of MartinDK and into BJ’s account within a minute of each other.

  • Billysees

    @2eo: 29

    In many christian circles, the pope (any pope) is believed and understood to be the “Anti-Christ”.
    I think an “Anti-Christ” is someone who in certain ways replaces Jesus as the focus of our attention, knowledge, understanding, love and affection.
    Some bible verses, considered as prophetic scripture, point to the papacy as such a person.
    I understand that belief, but am not convinced of its importance.
    I see him as another, typically fallible, leader or head of a christian church.
    Congregants often “over-exalt” their church leaders.
    They “over-do-it” for various reasons.

  • MartinDK

    @2eo: Haha omg ROFL you are soo sad. I have been posting on topics that interest me for long enough and in a quite unique way that many regular users have seen my posts. Unlike you i restrict my commenting to items of general interest not politics in foreign contries.

    FYI stupid, I live in Denmark. Og jeg taler udemærket dansk og skriver med æ ø og å which are a bit har to find on US keyboards.

    You are just full of crap and try to impress people with you “hacker skills” which appearantly are as nonexistent as the public interest in your “opinions” You really should see a doctor…

    I also will report you to queerty staff for your behaviour in these forums. Your “exposure” of double personas (omg) is plain intimidation attempts and IMO we dont need that here…

  • Billysees

    @Ken A.: 38

    Very very well said.

  • Billysees

    @Ken A.: 38 again

    I would change the phrase “–as ill gained as it is–” from your comment to make it more accurate.

    I don’t think they’ve “ill gained it” but rather they “ill use it” to influence hatred.

    That would be the better way of saying it.

  • Billysees

    @Guillermo3: 58

    Merry Christmas to you also Guillermo, my Baltimore “sister-city friend” from Philly….lol…..lol.

    Yes, I thought alexoloughlin spoke well.

    I may be a “touch naive”, I won’t argue.

    I take a trust-all and a believe-all approach to things and that gets me to look kind of dumb or silly sometimes.

    No…..I won’t let anything de-rail my basic attitudes.

    Cheer…

  • 2eo

    @Billysees: Agreed, the saddest fact is he even looks evil. A lifetime of horrible, morally bankrupt thinking will do that to you, you become what you are and he is as close to a literal personification of evil as visible trait as anyone whose ever lived.

    Also the kid fucking, don’t forget that. The thousands of innocent children he’s [email protected] personally too.

  • Ken A.

    @Billysees

    The papacy was ill gained, the churches power was ill gained through fear and murder of innocents through history. People or sheeple are convinced Peter, one of Jesus’ disciple was the first pope. A fallacy as Peter never was in Rome, the church even went as far as to create a false tomb under the vatican and inscribe the name Petra. The inscription looked way too new to be 2000 thousand years old.

    I agree, they all abuse their power because people follow them blindly.

  • Words of Daniel

    As a believer I read your comments and all I have to say about them is people just repent and accept christ. All this foolish knowledge do not coexist with the word of god. Speak the truth and obey they word.

  • 1EqualityUSA

    Ken A,
    Is this what you meant?

  • Guillermo3

    @Billysees: Baltimore,Billysees
    _Close by!
    Thanks for your Christmas wishes and NO: Please don’t let
    life derail you!

  • Guillermo3

    @Words of Daniel: Nice,
    Words of Daniel,but what about those who don’t believe in Christ/
    who have some other belief,or none at all?
    Is knowledge of basic spelling and English grammar foolish knowledge?

  • Guillermo3

    @MartinDK: Nasty,MartinDK,
    unbelievably unkind!Perhaps it is you who is the TROLL.

  • Guillermo3

    @2eo: Curious,2eo.What is the
    source of your ‘knowledge’ about the “thousands of innocent
    children that he’s[this current Pope,I assume you mean] raped
    personally”?Sounds like something out of an18th/19th century
    gothic novel,George Lewis’ “The Monk”,for example.

  • Billysees

    A “threat to justice and peace” ?

    That’s a cynical statement of some kind from a religious organization that oftentimes propagates its own faulty views and behaviors upon the world.

    Gay marriage is simply a “good idea” that allows good people to partake of a super-great institution that’s super-essential to all cultures.

    Great great things like this should be allowed to be “shared” by as many people as possible.

    See these for clarity and understanding —

    1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage#History_of_marriage

    2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage

    Cheer…

  • Billysees

    @2eo: 10

    You’ll get no argument on that comment.

  • Billysees

    @Atomicrob: 28

    Think of all the friends we have.

    And those that’ll gladly help take up our cause.

  • Billysees

    @Charli Girl: 55

    Interesting comment indeed.

    Payback maybe, as you suggest ???

  • Billysees

    @Ken A.: 73

    I’ve heard about that tomb and really wonder, what is it ?

    It seems there’s much propaganda going on here with them.

    But after we’ve pointed out the multitude of faults and errors of this christian religion, we can’t ignore the good works they do.

    But I ask, “why can’t their good works extend “compellingly” across the board, i.e., towards us LGBT’s.

    What’s so difficult here for them.

    They bless a Uganda MP who wants to kill gays. That can’t be possible can it ?

    And then make disparaging assertions about the worthiness of LGBT’s desire for equality and acceptance, and yes, even marriage equality, which admittedly is the more difficult issue to be dealt with “easily”.

    It’s is new historically, and that’s why.

    But who cares how new it is, it’s a good thing and it can be done worthily and meaningfully and sucessfully.

    That’s what matters.

  • 1EqualityUSA

    Now that the Red Scare is over, they’re looking for a new source of fear-based-funding on the backs of LGBT. A fist full o’ dollars is what this comes down to.

  • Billysees

    @1EqualityUSA: 35

    I think you’ve expressed some simple truths here.

    The togetherness of church and politics is very equivalent to serving God and mammon.

    You can’t serve both cause you’ll wind up loving the one and hating the other.

    Those are not my words.

  • Billysees

    @1EqualityUSA: 85

    “…fear-based-funding…”

    Perfectly said.

    “Fear and scare” are used to move and motivate folks to give money and do things they would not normally “give or do”.

    It’ll be interesting to watch how much religious and political forces will bang their tambourines and blow their trumpets as the top court in the land weighs in on marriage equality and other similar issues.

    Let’s hope and pray their minds and thoughts will see this and not be moved by it.

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