When you have to couch an argument with “I’m not homophobic, but…,” chances are you’re about to put your bias on full display.
That’s precisely what one Redditor just proved in a post blasting the Netflix show Sense8, and Hollywood in general, for “really shoving the gay propaganda down our throats.”
Here’s what “ggezlol_” just needed to get out of his system, in a forum dedicated to the show:
No, in real life not almost every single person is either a tra*ny, gay or the like. In fact I haven’t even met a single gay person in my life because guess what, they are actually quite rare.
I am currently watching season 2 and it feels like the entire show is revolving around the sexuality of lito at this point. It starts getting annoying quite frankly, which is a shame because the concept of the show is interesting.
No I am not homophobic by the way, but the sheer volume of content related to one sexual preference or another is getting very boring.
Setting aside the fact that the show’s creators, Lana and Lilly Wachowski, are themselves trans, his supremely flawed logic did not make it very far out in the web before being smacked down, then smacked down again. Then really, really smacked down, just for good measure.
How about we take this to the next level?
Our newsletter is like a refreshing cocktail (or mocktail) of LGBTQ+ entertainment and pop culture, served up with a side of eye-candy.
First up, this pitch-perfect message from a straight ally:
I gotta say as a straight dude, I am not even slightly bothered by this. Sure, the gay sex isn’t what I’m into, but I can always alt-tab it for a minute or eat some popcorn. For the rest…it’s about people being happy! Caring about each other! I like all these characters and so it makes me happy when they are happy.
And further, most of my friends are gay or trans* or brown. They aren’t 90% of the world’s population but they do tend to know one another, in little local groups or across the world. In fact the idea of a “cluster” tends to resonate with these people because, for many of them, the only friends they have who really understand them are their friends on other continents, time zones, cities, not their family, their classmates, their coworkers.
This show is for them. Not me. Not you. We just have the additional gift of being able to see it, because they’re happy to share it with us. Respect that. Respect that you’re a guest in someone else’s story.
(also, from a story perspective, Lito’s arc IS about his sexuality, because being a gay celebrity is HUGE in Mexico. So yes, it’s about his sexuality, and if you don’t like it, that’s not a problem with the story.)
And while that just about covers it, others weighed in with some equally valid points:
–Maybe you should stick to watching the thousands of other heterosexual shows that cater to what you like.
–Pal if you honestly don’t think you qualify as a homophobe then maybe you need to re-evaluate your life or get some therapy.
–YES you ARE homophobic AND transphobic. If you don’t like it then don’t watch. It makes you uncomfortable because you’re insecure with your ever so delicate “masculinity”. What a laugh.
–Out of the main characters in the show (including the main 8 and their family/friends) Lito, Nomi, Hernando, Amanita and Zakia are explicitly part of the LGBTQ+ community. That is 5 people out of around 25-30 characters who all get pretty consistent screen time, or, at least, have their character fleshed out. Meanwhile, the plethora of heterosexual relationships in this program is actually quite consistent with mainstream media. Will/Riley, Kala/Wolfgang, Kala/Rajan, Capheus/Zakia, Sun/Mun (to an extent) – which, i might add, is not a bad thing! It’s normal. In fact, this season (not including the christmas special) includes two sex scenes (in one) which are between two heterosexual couples. Lito’s story is merely 1/8 of the entire story, so don’t pretend that you aren’t biased/homophobic or uncomfortable with gay people/stories when you try to claim that Lito’s story is taking up the entire show, that the existence of these people is “actually quite rare” and when you use words like “tranny”
And one commenter even managed to find the silver lining:
You know I gotta say, although the OP is shitty, I really feel a great deal of positive support coming off this sub in response and I think that’s awesome.
Related: ABC canceled her favorite Tim Allen show, so she went on a homophobic Facebook rant. Makes sense.
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strix1
Dude has way too much time on his hands to “rant” that much! I like the show, it is what it is…great job Wachowski’s!
salumbre
“In fact I haven’t even met a single gay person in my life because guess what, they are actually quite rare.”
ROFL
paul dorian lord fredine
my thought exactly but i’d want to add ‘wanna make a bet?’.
alanballs
Homophobes, religious terrorists and bigots can’t conceive that the world is gayer, more sexually diverse, and gender fluid than their little, narrow minds can begin to conceive. They feel secure in their ‘numbers’, believing that they will forever be the ‘norm’, the ‘majority’ and maintain their delusional, yet apparently comforting status quo……they are DEAD WRONG.
Jack Meoff
@alanballs well that is after all what the church has spent centuries trying to control. They had successfully diminished and controlled peoples sexuality and driven undesirable behaviours underground until recent years when we have all decided to take it back. People weren’t o uptight before the churches taught them to be. They are losing control. About time.
kuma6963
That dipshit doesn’t get that he *has* met plenty already; they aren’t saying so to this guy. That’s a good litmus for homophobe/safety right there IMO. His own people don’t tell him.
yaletownman
I think the responses to the rant pretty much covers it. If all the guy can negatively focus on are the LGBTQ fractions of,the show and not see that their is still plenty of straight representations then he’s got some issues within himself that he needs to deal with.
mrbillybear
The guy needs to get out and meet people. He may have met gay people, but maybe they don’t scream it out. He may be surprised to know that being gay doesn’t rule how some gays act or how they treat other people. We are normal in all ways. Please don’t type cast us all, by a few!
J123
He probably thinks he hasn’t met any gay people because he’s a huge homophobe, so most LGBT+ people would rather not be around someone like that. Or at least not be out to someone like that. I’m a lesbian and I wouldn’t want someone like that in my life.
Curtispsf
Dear Netflix,
Please cancel ggezlol’s account until he gets parental consent to watch shows with mature content. Thank you.
pattygale
These kind of rants crack me up! I don’t like prison movie or war movies so I avoided Private Ryan and don’t watch Orange is the New Black. I gag every time I see or hear about KK, so I don’t watch ANY of the shows involving ANY of the family. Seriously, Bud, it isn’t difficult. What is it these days that people need everyone to think the way they do and like what they like!! Get over yourself!!
mujerado
Most gay people are pretty sensitive to homophobic vibes, so maybe this guy “hasn’t met” any gay people because the ones he has met simply don’t waste their precious time on him.
radiooutmike
I think you might be on to something there.
toronto
The show is so bad anyway, no great loss. I think I just hate watched episode 5, and told myself, “no more! you are a nice person! Do not punish yourself by watching this garbage.”
Even how hot Wolfgang is cannot overcome the pain my brain endures to watch this trash.
KaiserVonScheiss
Agreed. Something about the show is just seems off to me.
J123
“I haven’t even met a single gay person in my life” Whenever a person says they don’t know any gay people, it’s usually a really bad sign. It often means nobody they know feels safe to be out as LGBT+ around them for some reason. That reason is often – you may have guessed – homophobia! And the thing he said (and the words he used) shows that. Besides, there’s a lot of focus on Riley and Will, and also on Wolfgang and Kala, who are having their straight relationship issues. But, of course, that’s not noticed, because it’s seen as the norm.
Richard 55
I don’t know – I think sex scesnes should be secondary, not primary, to a show.
What about plot development and script?
By the way, homosexuality is a quality, not an identity. Men with homosexual qualities are everywhere, and often want nothing to do with the Left Wing homosexual identity called “gay”.
scotshot
Being gay is central to one’s identity just as being str8 is.
Go home Brian.
Mo Bro
You’re absolutely right.
Labeling oneself as “gay” these days is tantamount to labeling oneself “hardcore lefty, likely with daddy issues, who hates straight white men and prides himself on his cattiness.”
Few of us seem to understand that certain behaviors are more hurtful than not.
Doughosier
Why is one guys comment the top news story here?
alanballs
Sense8 is a great show. I’m grateful to the creators for sharing it with the world. And yes, if homophobes can’t take it, there are thousands of shows that cram heterosexual propaganda down their uptight throats.
scotshot
They always say they’re sick of having gays jammed down their throats.
They should stop going to bookstores.
Richard 55
Every man has the seed of male homosexual desire. If you water it, it will sprout.
Evji108
The reason he has never met one single gay person in his entire life is because he hangs exclusively with a boring socially non-diverse heterosexual crowd and because gay people have the sense to avoid an obviously homophobic loudmouth asshole.
Kenney G
lol That idiot doesn’t know there aren’t any gay people on that show, I hear they are all bisexuals
crowebobby
A little late in replying, but I worked with an Irish girl from Belfast, who told me she’d been sure she had never known a gay man or even seen on in the city, then someone opened a gay disco on the outskirts of town and it was packed to the rafters every weekend.