Christian pop artist Amy Grant claims she first became aware of her gay fanbase when she was 18 years old. 34 years later, she’s addressing her gay following in an interview with PrideSource, her very first for any gay media.
Though she hasn’t gone on record with an official stance on gay marriage, Grant happily embraces her gay fans and believes they’re attracted to her music’s all-inclusive message.
“Everybody is outside of some circle,” says Grant. “But what I’ve always wanted to do is have a message of honesty and welcoming, and being willing to say this is the good, bad and the ugly.”
When asked about her “feelings on gay marriage”:
“I think my response is, I have had so many occasions in my life where I have felt really strongly about something – but that feeling has changed. Those feelings change about different situations, and so because I’m a public person – and because I want always to bring people together – I really do say this is a world that’s unfamiliar to me and I am always trying to observe with compassion.”
It’s 2013. Is straddling the fence on marriage equality still acceptable?
You’re either for equality or you’re not.
She married the man she cheated on her first husband with. I don’t think she gets to decide who gets married and who doesn’t.
I guess I am more forgiving. For me, as long as you are not working against the forces for equality, you can stay in the closet, stay neutral.
That’s what I told my 90 year old grandma whose values are so ingrained, there is no hope of her coming over to our side. But if she wanted to keep seeing me when I am in her town, she better stop hating on the gays for no reason than that’s how she grew up. She stopped.
I kinda feel the same way for Amy. I know that its not ideal but people who are like her provide a template for young gays who live in conservative areas… to survive while still a minor and living in a hostile family, for example. These kids don’t have to come out and show their support until they are strong and ready.
How the hell cares what this Jesus loving homophobic bitch has been has to say? Is this the only way she can get press. Get lost Amy, you suck.
@Dixie Rect: Nice Christian response! You are in no position to even comment with an ‘attitude’ like that! Be gone, bufa!
I have followed Amy Grant since 1986 and her openness to the subject at all gives me great hope. Her type of attitude in the type I can sit down with over coffee and have a heart to heart visit with. No matter what she has done in her past, or that WE have done in our past or present, has any sway over me. The fact is, Amy is willing to admit her wavering and willing to be open. I can be very tolerant with these people! She is an awesome singer and witness to her beliefs! Can we all say the same?
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Hospital-Hospice Chaplain
I don’t recognise your posting names, but I would just like to say that you are ALL spot on in with your assessment, we’ve given the religious centuries to grow up and stop the violence and sheer hatred, and they’ve done next to nothing. The time for pandering and tea parties is over, it’s time we got the right to be considered equal humans, anything remotely less [or indifference] is a spit in the face of every human everywhere. Bar nobody.
@Dakotahgeo: He damn well is in a right position to comment, the religious “moderates” pretending to be nice while doing nothing about the extremes has gone on too long without being called out as the implicit condoning of hatred that it absolutely is.
You don’t get a free ride because you think you can play the “ohbutyou’reintolerantofpeoplewhohateusmakingyouexactlyasbad” card and not expect to be called on this utter trite drivel as exactly what it is.
It is a black and white issue, you either view us as human or you do not. We deserve equality, we all deserve equality. People have the right to be equal. Ideas and religions do not have any rights at all, and will be treat as such where necessary.
To be against equality is to be anti-human. Indifference from humanity is nearly as bad.
@2eo: As your MPs say, “hear, hear!”
@2eo: 🙂 You do realize, of course, that neither your or Dixie Rect’s comments have any meaning to me, or other GLBTIQ people who have an adequate positive outlook on life AND ourselves. We simply refuse to have an instant ‘pity party’ every time we feel slighted. We’re the people who have worked toward the many and various inroads of the GLBT movement, while you ‘boys’ have played your tiny little violins and danced on the tops of your pins in tears. Get to work, Fellas! Sober up and GET CRACKIN’! Time’s wasting away and there’s plenty of work to do. Now GIT!
(This time I’ve been ‘gentle’ with you… don’t pi$$ me off!)
At least she got something right… If you can’t say anything nice, don’t say anything at all. Accepting the Gay community is enough; that is a Christian value.
I first say her in a concert in 1982 in Wilmore, KY. I enjoy her music. Her polical stance I really do not care to know.
Amy Who?…who is this broad?
You can’t seriously expect Amy Grant to ostracize her Christian fan base by supporting Marriage Equality. It would destroy her career. I think she basically said she supports gay people and appreciates her gay fan base. That’s a huge step for an Evangelical Christian.
I think having been married, divorced, and re-married she understands the cruel moral judgement of some Christians. She also received a ton of criticism when she started recording pop music and moved away from contemporary Christian music. I’m not sure what she’s singing now days. I think being a recipient of that sort of criticism helps her to empathize with LGBT folks on some level. I suspect she will come around if she ever starts to examine some writings of progressive Christian theologians. I respect that she is honest in her replies. Her heart is in the right place. She just needs to reconcile her evangelical theology with reality.
Caleb in SC
And next week, Amy Grant announces that she is running for Congress! Well, done! A response that is not a response.
I am truly ashamed of my community. As a gay man, I find it appalling that so many people are so willing to judge and spew hatred. We, of all people, should know what it feels like to be victims of prejudice. What do any of you know about Amy Grant other than the fact that she is a Christian singer? Do you know anything about her life besides the fact that she was divorced and has remarried? Has anyone on here even bothered to read the entire interview on PrideSource? If you have, you might know that Amy Grant was invited to sing for a gay wedding and very much wanted to do so, but had scheduling conflicts. You might also know that she speaks of having gay and lesbian friends. How can we ask others to accept us and not make assumptions about who we are and how we live our lives when we refuse to do the same. Harvey Milk said, “If they know us, they don’t vote against us.” Read the entire interview and you’ll see that Amy Grant is someone who truly cares about people. She wants to know us…
@bohemedude: Oh, play the world’s tiniest violin. I think we may have radically different definitions of “spewing hatred.” People are justly voicing criticism of someone who’s clearly ducking the question about whether she thinks we should be her legal equal. I don’t care if she says she loves us or has gay friends (haven’t we heard those ones before…) – she’s either not answering because she doesn’t want to alienate her base, or because she’s truly against marriage equality. Neither position is a morally defensible one.
I don’t know anything about her life, but it’s not relevant: her response is patronizing and insulting, especially where she says (in the full interview) that gay equality isn’t a cut-and-dried issue. Excuse me, but it is cut-and-dried: either you think we should be your legal equal or you do not. She has the luxury of “never talk[ing] about anything like that,” but unfortunately we have to because we don’t have the same status before the law that she does. This kind of nonsense is insulting to our intelligence – so too is your naive reading of an interview that pays nothing but lip service to openness and inclusiveness.
I prevail on the fair-mindedness of everyone here to read the interview and decide for themselves. I suspect they will see it for what it is: a wishy-washy equivocation whose words are not those of an ally, but of a passive bystander at best.
@Dakotahgeo: This isn’t a pity party – we’re just not content to have her pee on our leg while you tell us it’s raining.
Also, can we please have a thread where you don’t pontificate on how much more you do for gay rights than the rest of us or how superior your outlook on life is? This has to be the third or fourth time at least that I’ve read your words to that effect. Although you’re probably right with respect to me at least, either participate with us in good faith, or return to Olympus – you can’t have both. It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for you to complain about how much time we waste complaining on here…
@bohemedude: Thank you, Sir! Your common sense response will be sure to rub some people the wrong way here. That’s okay… they’re not used to hard work. On the other hand, there are many fine people responding here that show positive, if measured responses. That’s… kind of refreshing. Again, Kudos!
@jwrappaport: In response to your first sentence… ROFL. In response to your question in the second paragraph… No. 🙂 Nice try, Meathead. We also get Queerty on Mt. Olympus! You’re being tolerated quite well… so far! Queerty being quite satisfying, I might add. Git to work!
She gave a diplomatic response. Look, guys, the reality of this is that it some people just don’t understand it. It doesn’t mean they’re unaccepting; it just means they don’t understand this. If any of you meet people like this, have a dialogue with them. What you all are doing here is a bit outlandish. You can’t expect some people to get accustomed to this overnight. It’s a process, and it’s something that should be respected. If we were in the year 3000, and someone said something like this, we’d be having a different conversation here.
This has nothing to do with the story but one of the comments. Am I the only one that finds it weird that pastors come and get their news from queerty? I mean its cool if you do, but stop there. Don’t sit here and belittle and bitch at the people you fantasies about. Basically: “straight” pastor coming to a gay based news site to preach how we’re wrong. Seems like someone’s a little self conscious…..
@tardis: Thank you, tardis. It never hurts to listen to another person’s struggles when discussing GLBTQI subjects. Many simply have not been educated about these areas, and some (if not quite a few) have been raised in environments where they have been brainwashed since they were small children. That’s a lot of garbage to filter out, in order to have fresh, clean, truthful lessons take root. As a gay ordained Baptist minister, I and many other ministers have met very arrogant people who simply don’t know what they’re talking about in reference to GLBT lifestyles or subjects. I tolerate ignorance well towards those who are not on board with information. Arrogance, never! Anger, never! Impudence, never! But I will always take time for those who need a listening ear and are willing to learn. It is that simple.
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Hospital-Hospice Chaplain (Retired- at times).
@tardis: Telling people you’re not sure if a class of people should be legally equal to you isn’t diplomacy. I understand that many people need time to personally come to terms with gay equality, but you surely cannot expect us to stand idly by while they do it as we remain their legal inferiors.
@Dakotahgeo: Meathead? I’m flattered – I’m far less jocky and butch than you give me credit for.
I think your explanation here is the most accurate.
I think being a public personality, with many types of followers, causes them to hesitate to reveal their true thoughts.
@Dakotahgeo: You’ll do what exactly?, is that the best you can do, resorting to veiled threats, how utterly typical of a christian practitioner, how absolutely in character for a preacher of your religion.
I expected better, and you fell below even my meagre expectations of you.
I understand where you’re coming from, how dare I believe in the absolute right that every single person has the right to exist equally, I understand that you and your ilk are petrified of people like me, with the knowledge and ability to fight back against centuries of your beliefs sheer hatred of good, moral and intelligent people and progressives.
Your faith has failed you, and you’ve let everyone down by living up to that failure.
@2eo: Ohhhhh myyyy!!! What….eva! Your comments mean… nada! Christianity has gotten along quite well without you so I’m not in the least bit skeered of you or your… intelligence, or lack thereof.
Stop acting as if Amy Grant is some kind of politician, hater or possible oppressor – simply because this is a topic she would rather not make any absolute value judgement on. People have the right to be not be comfortable, sure, or even indifferent about the subject. That “You’re either with us or against us” mentality is petty and childish. Not every issue is important to everybody. Believe it or not, but not everyone sits around and ponders same sex marriage so much that they have an absolute opinion about it. Getting on a pseudo soapbox, and and acting as though anyone who does not come out as a clear and present ally in the struggle for same sex marriage is no better than those who are blatantly against it is thoroughly obnoxious and counterproductive. Save the angry tangets for when Amy slanders the gay community, or makes an absolute statement against equality…until then, if she would rather talk about the weather instead, then so be it.
What I haven’t seen mentioned is that she is a Christian entertainer as in someone who follows the teachings of Christ. You know what Christ says about homosexuality? Nothing. You know what he says about adultery and divorce? Quite a bit more. (Check the Bible if you don’t believe me). Not that I really care about what this woman thinks one way or another, but it seems to me people who live in glass whorehouses shouldn’t throw stones. She should have just kept her yap shut instead of trotting out the “some of my best friends are….” tired tune if she didn’t want to be called out.
Why is there this assumption that she’s got a significant “gay following”? Obviously there are gay people who listen to her, but is it disproportionate enough to mention?
I guess I live in a bubble? I don’t never know anyone who cared about her. I also don’t socialize with religious extremists gay or otherwise.
@CM79: You don’t have to be a politician. It suffices that she’s a public figure whom people listen to. No one is denying her right to an opinion and certainly no one can rightly call her a hater or oppressor, just that her opinion is problematic: She’s ambivalent about whether an entire class of people should be entitled to the same rights that she is. I don’t respect that, and you shouldn’t either.
Do you watch Mad Men? There’s a scene I’m reminded of in which Betty Draper says offhand to her black nanny that she doesn’t think the country is ready for the Civil Rights Movement and that it’s probably not supposed to happen yet. It exposed just how self-centered and clueless Betty was, caring nothing about anything but her own interests. We’re not asking that everyone make gay equality their number one issue, just that they recognize our existence as their moral and legal equals. On that there is no compromise – you either believe that we should be legally equal or you do not. Ignorance is not an excuse, especially considering how how visible the gay equality movement is and how instantly information is available to just about everybody in the US with a computer or a library card.
It is not the Jerry Falwells or Rick Perrys who are the only serious enemies to gay equality, but also the Betty Drapers who just don’t give a damn. Elie Wiesel said it very well:
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
@Miss Understood: I was thinking the same exact thing.
But, since she decided to make her opinion, or lack thereof, about this known to the general public, I see no reason why she shouldn’t be called out for it here or anywhere else. I can only imagine she’ll get far worse from the homophobic, Christian, far right lunatics, than she is from the few of us here that think she should take her compassionate observations and shove them up her ass.
@@Dakotahgeo: : You still haven’t told me what exactly you are going to do to me, considering I did nothing to provoke your threat towards myself.
Sad really, though I generally get that level of threat from pious regressive types, considering the death threats I’ve had from CofE members, BNP, EDL and MCB your threat ranks a lot lower than you would hope it would.
@jwrappaport: I’ve already explained this twice, and now you have twice, it isn’t going to sink in. They are unwilling to grow and adapt to the facts, because it challenges their world view.
And one time I went to the shops and a car went through a red light. I live dangerously.
@2eo Two thumbs up
@Dakotahgeo you write in a very childish and hateful way. Nice to see your christian values coming through Chaplain!
Honestly, Amy Grant kind of reminds me of my dad here. When I first came out, he did not want to discuss it or hear anything about it. But it’s been 8 years or so and now he is willing to discuss it and has even told me that he really wants me to meet a nice fella and settle down. 10 years ago my dad would have had a seizure if I said I wanted to marry another man, today he is waiting eagerly for a wedding invitation.
We have to allow people to come to us sometimes. Amy is on her way.
Ah yes, the divorced and remarried Christian Amy Grant, who had an affair and then And she’s not sure gays should be allowed to get married? The answer sounded diplomatic- read between the lines and you’ll find she’s the worst of the worst- a hypocritical Christian bigot who’s willing to craft media savvy answers rather than tell people what she really thinks, for the sake of her popularity and career. She doesn’t give a damn about inclusion. She wants people to keep buying her music.
*had an affair on her husband of 17 years (with whom she had 3 children) and then married the other man.*
@dsp: Why, thank you. Coming from you, I consider that a compliment. Kudos. 🙂
@Dustolio: Your comment is right on the mark, Dustolio! All people evolve in their thinking, either forward… or backward. As in mourning the death of a loved one, everyone has their time of grieving and it is different for everyone. Some things just can’t be hurried and it is not our business to set that time for anyone. Good job!
Fuck her. She has been aware of gay fans since she was 18. She had NO PROBLEM taking their money. THAT part doesn’t seem to have given her any hesitation.
So she is a bigot or she isn’t. Until she isn’t, she can go fuck herself.
@ Dakotahgeo so you have proven that you are a bigger hate mongere than I could have imagined! Kudos. 🙂
@Dakotahgeo: You want to threaten me over nothing. Let me fire a warning shot in return.
George M Melby, Kansas City, MO 64133. Hatton public school class of 1962. You holiday in Brazil regularly. You were a music teacher.
@dsp: Nnnnnnno, actually not. I DO pity people like your type and you are in my prayers :). Hate is such a nasty thing… not worth my time. You ‘boys’ on this site are merely cheap entertainment for me.
@2eo: And your point is? LOLOL. I have moved and I teach/taught English as a Second Language in Brazil AND Asuncion, Paraguay. Again, your point is?? 😉
@2eo: Ohhh, I forgot, since you brought it up… I was a
K-12 music teacher in instrumental, choral, general, and keyboard classes for 25 years, church organist/choir director for centuries before I retired, AND I taught private music instruction for 40+ years. I’m damn good at my job and probably could argue circles around your puny efforts if I wanted to waste my time and energy. Frankly, you ‘boys’ lost this argument before you even signed in on this blog. Now… if you ‘boys’ can grow up and actually mature enough to use intelligent, common sense bases for your argument(s), then… you might be taken seriously! Try it… it works! Do have a good day!
@Dakotahgeo: Imagine that… a self-labeled “christian” turning his back on truth (and Jesus) in a vain attempt to conceal his personal insecurity and opposition to equality under the law.
2eo is spot-on. George enables hate, then applies a veneer of christianity with a transparent call for “prayers”?!? You remind me of the Churchlady on SNL. Only you make everyone sad.
@Ronbo: Thankfully, your comments mean nothing to me. Unlike 2eo, dsp, Ronbo, et al, I use my REAL name, not some pseudonym. Dakotahgeo is simply my nickname. What are YOU ‘boys’ ashamed of, eh? 😀
@Ronbo: He threatened me earlier in this thread, yet hasn’t responded with anything but self righteous glibness when asked if he’ll act on it. He’s a coward and a liar, and thinks his christian beliefs render what he thinks absolute and his religion is bulletproof.
He’s also appears somewhat [email protected] in favour of racial profiling, unless you’re a WASP [White Anglo Saxon Protestant]. Because only they’re prosecuted apprantly.
It’s hilarious when someone makes threats then thinks he has some kind of righteous high ground because of his belief in something that doesn’t exist. Yawn, I’m an adult, and I hold people responsible for their actions.
If your comment was hateful and spiteful then you are the reason she can’t decide! I personally think if your first reaction is to spew hate, then you are the problem. AS for Amy, I’ve been a fan for many years. I don’t know what others views are maybe because they haven’t shared them. I still like them. She was honest but left it open. Be bitchy and make her say NO she doesn’t support? Or continue to show her that her fan base is diverse and make her understand who we are? I think I will continue to hope she chooses correctly.
@billygfa: Thank you, billygfa. People who listen to reason and education on GLBT issues are worth our time, absolutely. People who are bashed, as in using the Bible as a weapon of mass destruction (WMD), usually don’t gain the higher ground.
@2eo: Had you bothered to copy/paste ENTIRE article, you would have realized that my comment made perfect sense. As usual… you FAIL! No surprise there.
@2eo: As for you and your little band of internet elves, quite frankly, your comments only serve to humor me. Your diatribes are nothing but… used toilet paper! Give it up and save face, please… for your own good. (You won’t win this argument, really. I’ve had tougher, MUCH tougher, opponents than you, heh heh heh!).
@Dakotahgeo: How sad. You’re in your 60’s and this is what you have to offer, vague threats and self righteous moralising and apologist drivel. No wonder people are leaving religion by the million.
ROFLMBO! And I’m RETIRED,” LOLOL. Imagine what I could do if I… oh, never mind… you wouldn’t understand, heh heh. Actually, I’m busier than I want to be at the moment. I thought, surprisingly, that things slow down when one retires. My fellow ministers advise me that “Ministers NEVER retire!” I’m beginning to believe they are correct! I do travel a lot!
@2eo He is a joke; old, full of hate and loathing. He can only attack others and always spews out junk like, you humour me, your comments mean nothing to me and so on etc…, and No matter what he says we can’t understand since he is much more educated than anyone of us little band of internet elves. May he find peace with his imaginated Jesus and his fake God. For someone who other’s comments mean nothing to him, interesting how he continues to comment himself! Oh well! And Dakotahgeo! I am Daniel S. Preus. dsp are my initials!
“If your comment was hateful and spiteful then you are the reason she can’t decide! I personally think if your first reaction is to spew hate, then you are the problem.”
I just LOVE bigots who claim that if ONE person says something to a bigot that they don’t like then THAT is their excuse for being bigoted. Sorry Billy, but your comment is as idiotic as saying that because some guy doesn’t like the waiter in a Japanese restaurant that is a fine excuse to support putting Japanese people back in Internment camps.
If Amy Grant is a bigot, then she is a hateful evil person and is welcome to go fuck herself. If you agree with her then please feel free to join her on the journey.
I wasn’t aware that Amy Grant had any sort of gay fanbase, but thank you, Queerty, for opening my eyes.
For somebody who claims that what these other folks say on here is unimportant you sure post a lot. If something is unimportant to me I don’t bother with it. And yet you keep responding, desperately saying how unimportant what the other person is saying is and claiming that you have already won the argument.
Just a few hints….
1. If something is unimportant to you, you wouldn’t have continued posting multiple times.
2. Claiming that you already won the argument because you cannot actually find a proper response never works.
3. Typing “LOL” to try to pretend that you just find it all so amusing also doesn’t work when you have posted frantically multiple times.
Just thought I’d help out because it was actually getting uncomfortable and I was starting to feel sorry for you reading all your responses.
If you think that somebody being a bigot is just a simple “Slight” and you are older and retired, I get it, you grew up in a time when many saw themselves as damaged or being gay as a bad thing. I understand that is where you come from, but please don’t unload the baggage of the past onto us and then wonder why we don’t want it.
@Cam: I should feel bad for schooling someone who was a teacher for as long as I have lived. Frankly my inner critic is pleased he decided to resort to trite threats and ad-hominem attacks, really vindicates my feelings that just under the surface of all religious preachers is the vicious werewolf of dismissal and the feeling of invincibility that comes with faith in unreality.
Plus it’s passed a boring as hell day at work, anyone who has even rolled out a major bespoke backend knows the mind numbing tedium, least it broke it up a bit. Quite funny making a veteran lose his marbles and resort to threats of violence so quickly when questioned.
Though a little sad, because if you got past that he says some pretty good things, but faith is the ultimate poison, as it always is.
Well, you didn’t need any help….but watching him flounder was getting uncomfortable the way watching somebody bomb an audition for a reality show gets uncomfortable. lol
@Cam: Thank you… I’ll keep your points in mind… tomorrow.
@2eo: It wasn’t boring for me until you arrived… then it became hilarious! Thank you for providing me with “challenging” bufa. I’m indebted to you. Good day! 🙂
Not every day a 28 year old computer geek from the north of England give a 65 year old man a lesson in life experience.
Soak it in, on the scale of victories this ranks somewhere between guessing right on a push/pull door and not getting splashed when using a public restroom sink.
@2eo: Guessing right on a door in London is impossible. So many push doors going in, and so many hidden green exit buttons. I got stuck in a building lobby on Tuesday for 10 minutes before I saw the button. Are they a European thing?
@Cam: I lost that baggage a lonnng time ago… perhaps even before you were born. But I’ll keep that in mind… I’ll think about that. 😉
@2eo: Um…I agree that Christians who aren’t anti-gay should make clear that they oppose those that are, but I think Grant clearly–for the most part–did that in the interview. Except for dodging the marriage question, of course.
But I definitely have to part company with you when you say “ideas and religion have no rights”. Aside from an obvious, pedantic referral to the First Amendment, freedom of speech and religion is as much a basic right of humanity as LGBT equality.
@DuMaurier: You’re confusing the argument. It is not that people don’t have the right to beliefs or free speech, it’s that those beliefs and that speech in an of themselves are not necessarily entitled to respect.
@jwrappaport: Of course I agree with THAT; but the thing about ideas and religion having “no rights” was a direct quote from 2eo. It may have been hyperbole but I took it at face value.
@DuMaurier: They don’t, the very idea they do debases the inalienable rights for us to be equal as people.
Earlier this week another news site (sorry, I don’t recall which one) quoted Amy Grant as saying she doesn’t comment on public policy issues, including same sex marriage. That is her privilege.
I don’t know if the above quote is accurate, and I will not form an opinion.
@2eo: I’m still not exactly where you’re coming from, 2eo, but if you are saying that you don’t believe in freedom of speech and religion I’m going to side with the First Amendment and respectfully disagree.
Amy Grant and Vince Gill did not have an extramarital affair with one another. Here is an article in which they discuss the false rumors: http://tasteofcountry.com/vince-gill-amy-grant-marriage/.
I think your quote is very meaningful —
“Elie Wiesel said it very well:
We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented.”
Amy Grant has made the world a better place through her music and her life. Millions have been touched by her kindness, generosity, and compassion. I have seen first-hand the love that she has for all people. May we each try to understand each other a little more and the different paths we all walk. Love will Find A Way. It always does. I appreciate that her music makes the people come together. EVERYBODY is truly welcome.
All she have to do is sit on my Log Cabin, and see the second coming of the ass. AdamHomo
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