Sports bond people together: gays and lesbians, fathers and sons, mothers and daughters, longtime friends.
But the same can’t be said for loathsome politicians and their unhappy constituents.
On Monday, Florida senator Rick Scott demanded answers from the College Football Playoff Selection Committee following its decision to exclude undefeated Florida State from the postseason.
At 13-0, Florida State became the first unbeaten champion from one of the major conferences to miss the playoffs. The committee’s unprecedented decision sparked outrage throughout the Sunshine State and college football world.
Scott tried to capitalize; but instead, the anti-LGBTQ+ politician faced backlash. As it turns out, jumping onto a sports cause doesn’t erase one’s record.
Who knew?!
You should keep this same energy regarding your politics
— Cam (@camdencwilson) December 4, 2023
People are starving, Rick
— b w 🧦🏛 (@monsieurmoscato) December 4, 2023
Hey Rick why don’t you work more on solving our country’s real issues.
— dax (@DaxKelm) December 4, 2023
Scott isn’t the first attention-seeking senator to threaten a showboat iNvEsTiGaTiOn. Ted Cruz is still hammering Bud Light for its partnership with Dylan Mulvaney… which happened back in March. (Just last week, Cruz announced he’s probing the ad agency that brokered the deal. Seriously!)
That’s not good company. In Scott’s letter, he orders committee chairman Boo Corrigan to hand over texts, emails and other written communication regarding the group’s decision.
Above all else, Scott wants transparency, which is ironic! When Scott was head of a prominent hospital company, he oversaw the largest Medicare fraud in the country’s history.
“Transparency for me, but not for thee.”
At Queerty, we would appreciate it if Scott stopped using sports to spread his right-wing agenda.
Prior to last year’s midterms, the ex-Florida governor presented his “11-point plan to rescue America.” In it, he calls for transgender athletes to be banned from competing in women’s sports.
In terms of pressing issues, trans athletes is up there with the College Football Playoff, as far as we’re concerned. But that hasn’t stopped Scott, whom Time dubbed the “least popular man in Washington.”
He’s made it a point to specifically knock transgender swimmers.
Scott’s plan, which also calls for national bans on gender-affirming procedures for minors and government forms that “include questions about ‘gender identity’ or ‘sexual preference,'” is even too anti-LGBTQ+ for the Republican senate caucus to endorse.
When asked about Scott’s ideas, Mitch McConnell dismissed him.
Undeterred, Scott said this year “transgender training” is the biggest threat facing the U.S. military.
It’s hard to one-up Ron “Don’t Say Gay” DeSantis on the embarrassment scale, but Scott is trying! When the NAACP issued a travel warning to Florida as a result of its hostile policies towards marginalized people, he responded with a ridiculous video.
“Senator Rick Scott here. Let me give you a travel warning: if you’re a socialist, communist, somebody who believes in free government, I would think twice—think twice—if you’re thinking about taking a vacation or moving to Florida,” he stammers.
“We know people who lived under socialism. It’s not good. It’s not good for anybody. If you’re thinking about coming to Florida, and you’re a socialist or communist, think twice. We like freedom, liberty, capitalism, things like that.”
What a display of charisma! It’s gonna take a lot more than pandering for Scott to get the people on his side.
The same goes for “Meatball Ron,” too.
What is it with these guys?
Kangol2
Useless, do-nothing, anti-trans, Medicare-fraudster Rick Scott, getting worked up about anything except issues that will actually help his constituents. Of course Florida State shouldn’t have been ignored, but i would be great if a lunatic like Scott could actually focus his job as a US Senator, help Floridians and Americans given all the challenges out there, and stop setting the lowest standard possible as a US Senator.
Den
Right wingers are neither bright nor people of integrity (Scott makes this very clear given his history, as do the right wing posters here). All they have as motivation is hatred, divisiveness, corruption and desire for power (Scott again is poster “boy” for this). Manipulating their equally dull constituents is easier than working for meaningful legislation that improves the lives of all Americans. Besides, the only lives they want to improve is their own and their corporate donors’.
Baron Wiseman
@Den
You mean like today House Oversight Chairman James Comer on releasing subpoenaed bank records revealing Joe Biden received direct monthly payments from Hunter Biden’s business entity, Owasco PC.
Today, we learned Biden received $200K from his brother — a business partner of Hunter — directly into his personal bank account.
“Payments from Hunter’s business entity are now a part of a pattern revealing Joe Biden knew about, participated in, and benefitted from his family’s influence-peddling schemes,” Chairman Comer said.
The tens of millions in bribery and money laundering is finally catching up with the Biden Crime Family.
Den
So sorry you are too stupid to understand my answer, straight boy. It becomes clearer and clearer just how impaired your thought processes are.
There is a mountain of good writing out there about why people like you focus on male-to-female trans folks, but most of it is complex and you are unlikely to understand it. I have a number of trans friends (one of whom was competative level as a male) and we have discussed competitions at length. It is nuanced, which means it is way beyond your ken. I doubt you have knowingly even talked to one trans person ever. Cause that is how you right wing straight folks roll…
And you have no idea who I am or what I believe (though you regressives are pretty simple minded) , so take your “coward” accusations and shove them where the sun don’t shine.
Baron Wiseman
“In it, he calls for transgender athletes to be banned from competing in women’s sports.”
Does Senator Scott call for transgender athletes to be banned from competing in men’s sports?
Why not?
Den
Of course not. And since you are completely of the same ilk as him, I won’t waste my time explaining why.
I am surprised not to have seen a post from you congratulating the Russians for raiding Moscow gay bars. Perhaps you are saving your praise of Putin until they start putting Russian LGBT folks in camps.
Baron Wiseman
@Den
You won’t explain it because you are a coward.
Contrary to your ridiculous post that has no bearing on truth, I am not, nor ever been a Putin supporter.
Den
All you MAGATs salivate over Putin. Don’t lie (any more than you usually do). Even you heterosexuals.
I’m a coward? For not calling our the deep and pathological sexism of the right wing? Give me a break, fool!
M-T-F trans folks are seen as traitors to masculinity. F-T-M folks are seen as an acknowledgement that men are more valuable to society than women. That is intrinsic to your kind, which is why I didn’t spell it out. You straight folks are all woman haters to some degree, and your homophobia comes from that: conflating homosexuality with femininity.
I really fail to understand why your kind comes to a site like this to harass people you hate. We know what you are and when we have no respect for it. You dream of the day the right loads us on the cattle cars. It is really obvious. As a Jew and a gay man you and your ilk are the face of the enemy.
Baron Wiseman
@Den
You didn’t answer the question.
So Senator Scott has not banned transgender athletes from competing in men’s sports because “F-T-M folks are seen as an acknowledgement that men are more valuable to society than women.”
You didn’t answer my question and if that truly is your answer; you are either delusional or dishonest.
We all know why he hasn’t banned transmen from competing but you are too much of a coward not to give a bull$hit word salad answer.
Den
“So Senator Scott has not banned transgender athletes from competing in men’s sports because…”
Because he is, like you not driven by intellect or empiricism. Why do you suppose people like him, and most right wingers are obsessed with gay men but care little to nothing about gay women? It is essentially the same thing. Do you have any idea how tiresome you heterosexual scumbags are when you come here to harass gay people?
Try (if possible) to learn a little about trans people. They are actually as fully human as you are. I know that might surprise you but it is actually true. And I’m willing to be most are brighter and more socially engaged than you are. It is hard to be socially engaged when ignorance, hate and division are your goals.
inbama
Nobody cares about f2ms in men’s sports because they are as disadvantaged competing with actual men as actual women are competing with m2fs who’ve been through a male puberty.
The whole point of women’s sports was to protect women. It wasn’t until ten years ago that we had people insisting that intact male transvestites were actually women – and people on the left stupid enough (or too afraid of being labeled transphobic) to believe it.
Fahd
“Loathsome politician” and “least popular man in Washington” are very apt for this character.
In addition to asking “what is it with these guys?”, I’d ask, what is it with the voters of Florida?
Den
Except for a few liberal and educated enclaves, Florida is like a subtropical Arkansas. All too often voters have no idea how to support their own self interest.
Baron Wiseman
@Den
They were smart enough to leave California!
Den
So you really don’t know the difference between ‘smart’ and ‘foolish’? Florida has higher inflation than California. And it exceeds Florida in most quality of life metrics, though admittedly not all. In 2022 22,000 Californians moved to Florida. THAT IS 6,000 LESS THAN THE NUMBER WHO LEAVE FLORIDA EVERY MONTH. Get a brain het boy.
Baron Wiseman
@Den
Wrong.
FACT: California has the nation’s highest out-migration.
FACT: Florida has the nation’s highest in-migration.
California has the highest poverty rate in the nation.
California has the highest gas taxes in the nation.
California has the highest state income tax in the nation.
California has the highest homelessness in the nation.
I’ve lived in Los Angeles since 1987 and it should be criminal what Gavin Newsom and the Democrats have done to this city and state. Have you been to San Francisco lately and seen Gavin’s handy work there? Keep spinning, Den.
Den
Why do you keep lying? Give it a rest. And go to the Daily Wire where your kind is appreciated (unless you are bothered by the fact that it is helmed by a Jew…albeit a stupid one).
Den
“California has the highest poverty rate in the nation.”
The highest poverty rate is in Mississippi at 18.7%.
California ranks 25th at 11.5%
Another lie.
California has the highest out migration, but also has the largest population. FLORIDA RANKS 3RD. And both states have a similar proportion of yearly out migration.
And you accused me of spinning? Damn.
“California has the highest homelessness in the nation.”
California, New York, and Florida have the largest homeless populations. Though you probably can’t understand, it is a complex problem. It is going to get much worse in Forida as their home prices are skyrocketing.
“California has the highest state income tax in the nation.”
California ranks 8th in state income tax, considerably lower than New York, which is the highest. Lies do not magically become true when you post them!
What is with you regressives, you lie like rugs!
decrans
From Forbes Magazine’s recent list in 2023.
Here’s what they found:
10 states people are moving to:
1. Texas (red)
2. Florida (red)
3. South Carolina (red)
4. North Carolina (lean red)
5. Georgia (purple)
6. Tennessee (red)
7. Nevada (blue)
8. Maine (blue)
9. Delaware (blue)
10. Idaho (red)
10 states people are leaving:
1. California (blue)
2. New York (blue)
3. Illinois (blue)
4. Pennsylvania (blue)
5. Massachusetts (blue)
6. Washington (blue)
7. Colorado (blue)
8. Indiana (red)
9. Michigan (blue)
10. Wisconsin (blue)
decrans
What does it say about your political philosophy that more Americans are moving to red states in 2023? The numbers don’t lie.
decrans
US World Reports stats form 2022:
These are the 10 states with the most homeless people, according to the Annual Homeless Assessment Report:
California (171,521)
New York (74,178)
Florida (25,959)
Washington (25,211)
Texas (24,432)
Oregon (17,959)
Massachusetts (15,507)
Arizona (13,553)
Pennsylvania (12,691)
Georgia (10,689)
decrans
Once again, I’ll be damned. The blues outnumber the reds! Doesn’t your party constantly natter on about being the party of the poor, downtrodden, and the working-class? What does it say about your party that homelessness is slanted in blue states? Things to consider. Check in with yourself in the mirror, Michael Jackson.
Den
“What does it say about your political philosophy that more Americans are moving to red states in 2023? The numbers don’t lie.”
It means several things but of course you right wing folks cannot deal with nuance or subtlety.
1. Retirees tend to go to specific states where the climate suits them and home prices are low.
2. These people will change the political nature of the states they move to, as they are in no way repudiating their political beliefs.
3. Corporations often move to states where they pay fewer taxes and are not required to be equitable members of the civic community…and employees are often forced to move with them if they want to keep their jobs.
4.People often move back to where their families are as they age, or as parents age. Many in California have come from other parts of the country originally. I have a friend who recently moved BACK to North Dakota as he needs to be near family while under treatment of illness caused by burn pits in Iran (you right wingers refused to support increased medical support for vets like this because, like Trump, you’d rather vets DIE than return home injured or disabled).
5. Some have actually moves because of the jobs made available through the infrastructure act, the Chips act and the inflation reduction act…things that you regressive all opposed because you hate this country so much.
Sad that you regressives lack the intellect to really analyze anything. Glad that the world is not as simple as you folks wish it was.
decrans
And the home prices are low! Thank you for bolstering my argument. In blue states, the home prices aren’t low typically (despite your incessant blathering about being the party of the working-class.) And the taxes are low. Correct again, which leads to (get this) MORE JOB OPPORTUNITIES WITH LOWER COST OF LIVING. You admit my arguments and the answers are right there in your pathetic attempts to spin and paint me as ‘right-wing.’
decrans
And Den, no one is forced to do anything. In your statist utopia, shouldn’t the government provide overcorrection for corporations wanting tax breaks and take jobs to another state? If your party is the oh, great defender! of the working-class, shouldn’t the statist politicians have more ideas than just throwing up their hands and going ‘oh well!’ It is what it is, gurl. And you still vote for the same crap.
dbmcvey
How shocking that homelessness relates to population. What a shock!
How stupid is this troll?
abfab
I love it when he ends with ”things like that”. KEEP OUT!
Man About Town
Yes, it’s right up there with “and whatnot”!
abfab
And ”left wing shenanigans”.
Ronbo
My favorite: “That being said….”
Den
It amazes me that a man as corrupt, and dishonest as Scott has the nerve to present himself in public as someone whose opinion matters. Like so many of his MAGAt peers, he is less worthy of respect than a slime mold (which are actually impressive life forms compared to him).
Baron Wiseman
@Den
Deep.
Den
So you support a man who was responsible for the cases of medicare fraud in our nation’s history? I’m not surprised at all, always figured you were scum as well.
Den
It always amuses me how regressives choose names. Diplomat is the least diplomatic poster here. and “Wiseman” is as far from wise as one can get (the baron part is just stupid). It does bother me that is sounds like a Jewish name, because I am willing to bet he has issues with Jews, as we are overwhelmingly liberal or progressive.
Den
Should be “Responsible for one of the larges cases of Medicare fraud”
Baron Wiseman
@Den
Do you ever get tired or feel shamed for your own bigotry?
My best friend is Jewish and I know quite a bit about Judaism. My friend is a conservative Jew. Apology accepted.
Den
I do not believe you for a second. Is that kind of like “I have black friends so I can’t be racist?”
You will not get any apology from me. I recognize enemies to the gay community, and you are one. There is no denying that . So don’t even try. You will cheer when the Right recriminalizes homosexuality. You will put your supposed friend on the cattle car that takes him to the camp. I have no doubt!
Diplomat
Trans activists and their supporters don’t do diplomacy. They fart alot then disappear, refuse to answer questions and get irritated and vicious when put on the spot. They minimize real women like they are not real then speed off in their broken down ideology based on denial. They can’t come to the table to express a hint of diplomacy bc they have no argument that holds water.
Basically they just need to be managed through legislation due to their arrogant and violent nature, destroying the gay community in its destructive path.
Den
“Trans activists and their supporters don’t do diplomacy. They fart alot then disappear, refuse to answer questions and get irritated and vicious when put on the spot.”
How many trans people do you know? How many have you actually even spoken to? You regressives love your lies and myths. You regressive heterosexuals love to demonize anyone different. There are probably thousands more Proud Boys, White Supremacists, Dominionists, KKK folks, Hate filled evangelicals than the tiny number of extreme trans activists. But not surprisingly they scare the daylights out of simple minded folks like you. Trans people constitute at most .5% of the population, and most of them just want to live their lives free of the hatred and violence folks like you are eager to subject them to. Get over yourself, you should be embarrassed by your backwardness and fear!
Maybe take a little time and learn what these people have to go through to transition. I know you’d rather they all just kill themselves, but a little thought, intelligence and humanity might do you good if you can actually muster it.
Baron Wiseman
@Diplomat
Your post is spot on. Den can’t even answer a simple question because he is so wedded to a politically correct narrative that he can’t even answer a question that everyone knows the answer to. Really sad.
When someone is so blatantly dishonest what is the point of conversing with them? I wish I knew half as much as he thinks he knows.
Den
“Den can’t even answer a simple question because he is so wedded to a politically correct narrative that he can’t even answer a question that everyone knows the answer to. Really sad.”
I have answered every question, so sorry that you are too simple minded or mired in dogma to understand. You know nothing about my political stance, and nothing about any “narrative” I might have (narrative a stupid term used by folks who do not understand empiricism at all). I speak the truth, you tell the lies you are fed and lack the critical intellectual capacity to evaluate. You have both demonstrated repeatedly an inability to separate right wing talking points from reality. I have nothing but pity for you. And am growing bored by your stupidity. Give the folks here a brake and go back to X and Truth Social where you belong.
Openminded
Den, “Trans people constitute at most .5% of the population,”
Why should less than one half of one percent of the population (an overinflated estimate IMHO) be allowed to skew the competitive fairness of women’s sports? If it doesn’t really hurt to have a biological male compete against a biological female, why do we even have separate men’s and women’s sports. Think of how much money we could save by having all co-ed sports teams. Maybe you can educate me on the “subtle and nuanced” answers to this question without getting off topic.
dbmcvey
Yeah, Baron’s really stupid.
Den
“Have you been to San Francisco lately and seen Gavin’s handy work there? Keep spinning, Den.”
I have lived in San Francisco since 1973, with 12 years years in the Oakland Hills. And I work in the Bicycling industry in Palo Alto, commuting by bicycle and Caltrain. Your bullshit is wasted on me. The most damaged parts o California are those run by Republican mayors and legislators. Certainly SF has its issues, just as it has in the past. But those issues are no different and no worse than in many other cities. They are MUCH worse in red states.
Why do right winger like you lie so easily? What is that about?
Den
And since you clearly love Florida so much, why not move there? After all, the fascist leanings must appeal to you, the “don’t say gay” policies must really appeal to you, the denial of public health policies must be like heaven to you. At least until you get malaria, Chagas, Dengue, or Chickungunya… Currently present in Florida as a result of the climate change you folks don’t “believe” in.
Diplomat
It’s “don’t say trans”. Let’s stick to the facts.
Den
No, it is don’t say gay or trans. Why the hell do you regressives have to lie all the time? What is that about? Are you so far removed from reality? I would not be surprised, as you have to be either stupid or delusional to support Trump. But telling the truth makes things easier and allows people to actually respect you.
Diplomat
It doesn’t take rocket science to figure out the don’t say trans issue was in response to teachers telling kids they could be a boy or girl, and kids were forced to call a boy a girl if it wanted and that boys could use girls bathrooms etc. Fully funded by trans money buying off school boards. Gays were a sad collateral damage from a well funded trans Trumpian coup plot travesty. So Den, let’s keep the story straight. You know and I know don’t say trans would never have happened without the trans mud print.
Den
“So Den, let’s keep the story straight. You know and I know don’t say trans would never have happened without the trans mud print.”
Why do you folks always lie so much? Is it hat hard to be honest? Is it that hard to actually use your brain? I know trans people (you clearly don’t). I know what they go through while you don’t give a shit. Scumbags like you have no empathy for anyone ever. Go move to Russia, you will be much happier. The way things are going you could probably even get the chance to beat gay and trans people to death and get away with it. You’d love that, I’m sure.
Openminded
Den- “They are MUCH worse in red states.” According to CBS news, as of 2/2022 The top 10 most dangerous cities in America were ALL under DEMOCRAT party control with the overwhelming majority of the to top 65 deadliest cities being controlled by Democrats. That stat doesn’t sound “worse” to me. I’m fairly neutral on gun ownership and gun controls, but appears to me those Republicans may be right about the idea of guns in the hands of more citizens will help control the criminals. God knows our government isn’t doing much to control them.
dbmcvey
Most dangerous cities according to Forbes.
St. Louis, Missouri
Birmingham, Alabama
Baltimore, Maryland
Memphis, Tennessee
Detroit, Michigan
Cleveland, Ohio
New Orleans, Louisiana
Shreveport, Louisiana
Baton Rouge, Louisiana
Little Rock, Arkansas
Oakland, California
Milwaukee, Wisconsin
Kansas City, Missouri
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Richmond, Virginia
Hmmm.
Den
So…I have a good friend who is a Trans woman athlete. After she transitioned she was asked by various cis-gendered teams to join them. She agreed to instruct, coach and referee. Her feeling was that her previous years of competition made it unfair for her to compete alongside cis women. In these sorts of situations decisions must be individual , especially where high levels of competition are concerned. At lower levels, it is not that important. But right wingers want to hurt and marginalize trans youth rather than investing the energy in learning about them.
I truly believe that some of them (including two of the posters here, who are pretty obvious) would rather see them kill themselves than invest the intellectual energy in understanding them.
inbama
If all m2f athletes had ethics like your friend, there would be no issue, but as Lia Thomas and all the m2fs dominating women’s cycling show, that is not the case.
The other aspect to this issue is that most of the m2fs wanting to compete with women (and change in their locker rooms) are intact heterosexual (aka autgynephilic) trans determined to be accepted as lesbians while swinging their ladydicks.
Diplomat
Ah so you say you’ve answered every question. I call that coming to the table Den. So answer us this: how do you justify a trans identified male shocking women in their dressing rooms and showers by fully disrobing w dik flopping openly in women’s showers, causing the women intolerable discomfort by violating their personal safe space? Fully male Lia (William) Thomas did this repeatedly.
decrans
Oh, please. It’s not like you want to invest any energy learning about the experiences of de-trans individuals. You’d rather virtue-signal in the Queerty section. Decisions must be made by the individual. Sure, Jan. State funding and governing bodies come into play. That’s how society runs. And if teenagers are being sent to the hospital playing against male-assigned at birth opponents, parents are gonna have a problem. Now, you can take out your little Gender Unicorn booklet or wake and smell god–amned reality. That’s when the tables will turn for your ‘side,’ honeybun. When you have something more to bring to the table than ‘let’s hold hands’ and look at this Gender Unicorn picture book. Please. Get a grip.
decrans
And to add on Baron: Should female rape survivors like Paula Scanlon have a say about re-living their PTSD by seeing some swinging dong in the locker room? They should all just sing kumbaya in your little utopia bubble, shouldn’t they, Den? Get real.
Den
“how do you justify a trans identified male shocking women in their dressing rooms and showers by fully disrobing w dik flopping openly in women’s showers, causing the women intolerable discomfort by violating their personal safe space? Fully male Lia (William) Thomas did this repeatedly.”
Let’s see reputable journalism covering this. I’m not going to just accept the hate filled bullshit of a heterosexual troll like you. So,…links, or it didn’t happen.
Plus, if it did, than Thomas should be censured. I don’t doubt that there are people out there with emotional problems. If you believe that casts aspersions on all trans women who want to compete at all levels, you are even more of an idiot than I thought.
And you know, you right wing idiots (if you actually are gay, which is not likely), are supporting those who want to strip us of equal protection. Why then are you worthy of anything but ridicule ans excoriation?
Den
“Oh, please. It’s not like you want to invest any energy learning about the experiences of de-trans individuals.”
If, in fact, you are one of the very few who regretted transitioning (and went through the long process necessary prior to surgery, rather than running off as a “medical tourist” to someplace like Manila), you have my compassion. Trans people represent less than .5% of the population. Those that regret transitioning represent 1% of that group, and that number has been falling as evaluation techniques improve. Of those who “detransition” prior to surgery, most go back to the Trans identity and complete transitioning. I have a number of trans friends, most M-T-F, only one F-T-M. They all seem to be a lot more with it than you. You seem to me to just be a trans hater like Inbama, rather than a detransitioned person.
Diplomat
Den. If you’re going to come to the table, come prepared. Do your homework.
I’m a dyed in the wool gay male democrat who thinks Trump should be shot and is over the top pissed at how your Trans community has dragged lgb through the mud with your psycho antics. I do give you one kudo for saying Thomas should be censured. That doesn’t do much for the sexualy abused girls who get triggered into ptsd by his mere naked presence in their showers. Women hate Trans for this.
Don’t think bc you are so uneducated about your own trans activists, that dems are letting you off the hook. Lesbians hate you for Trans women expecting them to suck your dicks. Well the list goes on.
Shall we assume your YouTube channel and Google search is absent from your computer? Yeah. Right. Care to try again?
I do thank you for speaking up tho, but try and stick to the facts without name calling. Rs aren’t your only enemy.
Den
“all the m2fs dominating women’s cycling show, that is not the case.”
Trans athletes are banned from competing in woman’s elite cycling events. So they are not “dominating.” And there are pretty strict rules regarding blood testosterone levels in UCI regulations. You are probably confused by the disingenuous article on Fox last October where the woman who was in the lead was unable to complete the race, but would have won. And this was an amateur event. The idea that transwomen are “dominating women’s cycling” is a lie. And absolute lie.
decrans
And here comes Den again. Popping a squat on that commode and shooting off mental diarrhea without proper fact-checking. Nope. The detransiton rates are actually rising. From Big Think: “Previous research based on data collected prior to 2015 found that just 1% of people detransition after undergoing gender-affirming therapy. However, studies conducted in the past few years find that the rate is likely between 2% and 10%. The apparent increase could be due to reduced scrutiny before starting hormone therapy.
Now, at least in the U.S., gender care professionals often begin treatments much sooner, worried that any delay could result in patients self-harming. It’s a delicate and difficult balance. Clinicians certainly don’t want to prescribe therapies with potentially irreversible physical outcomes to people who won’t ultimately benefit, but they also don’t want distress from gender dysphoria to drive their young patients to suicide.”
This is the WPATH activist model, Den! It’s what “trans ’em or they’ll kill themselves!” has wrought. YOUR political rhetoric has consequences for some people. It’s time you started accepting that.
decrans
And here you go with YOUR assumptions. I was a multiple rape survivor who extensively tried to talk about my gender struggles with therapists. In fact, I was provided with HRT right out of the gate with the informed consent model. Funny that, the paperwork didn’t mention me attempting to re-enact my rape trauma with Spiro. That wasn’t in the packet I signed, Den! Meanwhile, the WPATH propaganda-infused therapist never addressed this sexual dysfunction and kept writing more refills. So no, I don’t believe this works for everyone. More de-transitioners are coming out of the woodworks with the activist WPATH model. Why? Because it leaves no room for nuance and teens are looking at trans as a trend just like they did with heroin chic and cutting back in the 1990s. Teens don’t have fully formed brains! And hey, maybe some teens do know how they are. Most teens do stupid sh–, though. They also look to TikTok and their peers for validation. It’s a tale as old as time. As soon as you compassionate liberals remove your heads from your rear and begin to address the nuances with this subject, the sooner it could work out for the trans community as well. It’s called middle ground, Den.
decrans
And y’all: Notice how Den had zilch to say about women like Paula Scanlon ( a rape survivor herself) triggered by that one societal male body part in the locker room. Zilch. If you want mental healthcare to be better for everyone (as you claim), make it better for everyone. Otherwise, it’s just more ideological purity tests. And we have enough of those with Trump.
decrans
Re: Most de-trans people re-transiton.
Yeah. I’ve heard that meme 10,000 times before. You go around saying these ‘right-wing’ commentators aren’t thinking for themselves and parroting propaganda from The Daily Wire. Where did you pull that stat that we heard 10,000 times from? I’d like more neutral sourcing. I’ll do the same. It’s the main problem with our tribalism culture: bumper sticker sloganeering and jingoism.
The fact of the matter is this: We don’t have extensive studies on de-transitioners. A lot of them have been traumatized by the medical profession. From my lived-in experience, I haven’t had a primary care doctor in over a year. Let’s find a neutral source as opposed to a bumper sticker you read from the Human Rights Campaign.
still_onthemark
Where do you guys encounter all these trans people? I’ve only encountered three, in passing, ever: a transman at a Unitarian church and two transwomen at a Soka Gakkai Buddhist meeting (pretty good for an agnostic, I guess, but I’m unlikely to go back to those places).
abfab
In their dreams….
decrans
I’ve lived in LA and on a rural genderqueer commune in Tennessee. After I realized that my parents and the Fox News Channel were correct about Gavin Newsom’s failed model state, I hightailed it back to the Nashville suburbs. In my current life, I encounter zero trans people. My good friend was trans back in LA, but I find their political ilk mostly irritating, so, I keep to the rich Republicans of suburban Nashville. A former Monthly Review-toting socialist here. It was a gradual evolution.
Ronbo
Openminded conservatives need to flesh-out the basis of the facts – rather than present partial truths and half-truths. The South is warmer – we elderly like that. The South is cheap, the elderly need that. Gun ownership increases gun deaths: guaranteed.
Democrats are ELECTED by the populace, not by statistics. My theory is that Democrats dangle better carrots. What do you like better forced birthing or free education for the brightest and deserving?
BTW America NEEDS free education so that the smartest people can advance. By advancing mostly wealthy people (the ones who can afford college) we advance nepotism, not education. Ivy League politicians rarely focus on values that help the poor and middle class,
Those who think San Francisco is a mess have likely never lived in the country. Small rural towns have advantages as we grow up; but, as adults, most people leave for the cities. My experience is that in small towns most everyone is equally poor, so people don’t notice their lack of affluence until maturity.
Decrans, I’ve always thought that our community migrates to the city because of the numbers – for the community that isn’t present in rural towns. Besides, a small town closeted life smells like mothballs. And apparently you like rich Republicans more than the person in your mirror.
Openminded
Ronbo, “My theory is that Democrats dangle better carrots”. Problem is they only DANGLE them and like most of our gov’t, RARELY deliver them.
We have FREE housing for low income people, yet we still have tons of homeless.
We have FREE healthcare for low income people, yet we still have tons of sick/dying low income folks.
We have FREE birth control for low income people, yet we still have tons of unwanted pregnancies.
We have FREE education in the form of grants for low income people, yet we still have lots of stupid going on.
We have FREE HIV prevention drugs available to low income people yet HIV is still being spread.
We have FREE Drug/Alcohol/Tobacco cessation therapies for low income people, yet we still have huge numbers of people addicted to these substances.
These are all full facts and proof that funding more FREE stuff doesn’t really accomplish much except waste taxpayer dollars on proven failures instead of spending it on proven successes.
As for guns, Chicago experiences one of the nations highest gun death rates yet they have some of the strictest gun carry/ownership laws on the books. Having more guns doesn’t mean more gun related deaths. I don’t personally own a gun and don’t soapbox on gun ownership rights, but I do believe in letting the facts prove the case for those who want to own a gun.
Ronbo
Ronbo
All politicians dangle. R and D politicians stand on the same spot only facing different directions. Obama PROMISED single-payer healthcare and delivered the 1997 Republican alternative from the Heritage Foundation. Don’t be fooled by political parties – read how the founders warned us of the dangers.
You are severely outdated and uneducated about most issues – if you believe your post. You seem to be living in 1970s! Between Reagan and Clinton, most of the social safety nets mentioned were severely neutered or totally eliminated. But yes, there are more guns today and there are more gun deaths today. A new shooting spree happened today (everyday).
dbmcvey
Suddenly conservatives care about women’s sports?
Nah, I’m sure none of them support Title IX, They only care because they hate trans people.