While you’ve got groups like Geoff Kors’ Equality California signaling they’re gonna wait until 2012 to push for a ballot repeal of Prop 8, Rick Jacob’s Courage Campaign says it’s still aiming for a 2010 effort. According to their latest e-blast, they just need to hit the $100,000 fundraising mark … in the next 60 hours. Or, uh, YOU’LL HAVE TO WAIT TWO MORE YEARS. Or something.
To be sure: Jacobs — who’s been furious with the original No On 8 organizers since well before the election — says he’s already $58,033 for the cause. But they need to hit the $100k mark (or $41,967 more) by August 13, a self-imposed deadline. But that’s still only halfway to the $200,000 total figure required for “research, polling and focus groups” to “determine … the initiative language and messages that will move voters to support marriage equality.”
It’s not clear what happens if the August 13 deadline (which is Thursday) comes and goes without hitting the $100k mark. Does the Courage Campaign quit right there, or charge along underfunded?
The second half of the two-hundred-thousand dollars, meanwhile, is not to be raised by Courage Campaign members, but by the org’s partners, including Marriage Equality USA and Meet in the Middle. What happens if they don’t meet their end of the bargain? That scenario is also unclear — which explains some supporters’ concerns about the fundraising details.
But for now, there is a group of activist organizations to support if you do want to push for a 2010 repeal. Otherwise, start saving your pennies, and reach out to the Equality Californias in a couple years to see if they need some cash. The answer, of course, will be yes.
ASSociated Pressss
Of course you meant to write “….or the 2010 ATTEMPT to repeal Prop 8 is dead.”
The children of all ages behind 2010 who keep speaking as if putting it on the ballot guarantees the result they want have confused Election Day and the crap shoot of a vote with Christmas and Easter and the certainty of a present from Santa Claus or Cadbury eggs from Grandma.
trickytoro
Equality California’s requests for donation e-mails are relentless.
Gorbeh
HRC has money, let them donate.
youcanthandlethetruth
Go ahead ant throw your money away.
Californians don’t want homosexual marriage and they aren’t going to change your minds.
In fact they were turned off by the lies put out in the No on 8 ads, and the bullying of Gavin Newsom and his “whether you like it or not” comment.
InExile
@youcanthandlethetruth: Your church needs to be taxed. Obviously it is not a church, it is a political organization. What is the name of your church so we can file a complaint with the IRS???
youcanthandlethetruth
@InExile: I agree with you to some extent, there are plenty of charlatan “televangelists” ripping money off people by blatant fraud and unscriptural “buy a blessing” deceit.
If Benny Hinn ends up doing time I won’t feel any sympathy for him.
InExile
@youcanthandlethetruth: Any Church that gets involved politically should be taxed. So, what is the name of your church? Don’t be shy……
youcanthandlethetruth
@InExile: It’s the Christian Church
InExile
@youcanthandlethetruth: Which one? Our government needs more money for Wall Street welfare, please post the official name and address.
InExile
@youcanthandlethetruth: And the telephone number, if you don’t mind. LOL
Mark C.
Tell them to ask Cleve Jones for the $200,000 he’s raised. There isn’t going to be a March (or Birthday Party). There may be an investigation soon, so hurry.
MackMike
Hopefully, the lawsuit mounted by Olson and Boise will render the preference of Californian’s moot. We have never been a pure democracy, and had we been we would still be relying upon minority labor to pick tobacco and cotton. We had been a democracry based upon a system of checks and balances, thus an uninformed, religiously intollerant, Biblically clueless majority could not wield political oppression against a minority. This is what enabled the judiciary the ability to render inter-racial marriage legal. With an eye to equality and true justice, Olson and Boise will successfully argue a separation of Church and State, and that an false insistance that equality exists for those in the GLBT community–who, like me, who find sexual intimacy with someone of the opposite sex repugnant, and the charade of intimate love with someone of the opposite sex a lie against God and an abuse against a potential partner.
If they are unsuccessful, I shall entertain offers of marriage from those who would not mind a life with a resentful partner, who shall be more than happy to express his anger and frustration with her and the family that they create together for sheer sport alonge. Hopefully, “youcanthandlethetruth” will have a sister or daughter available for me to spread this love around.
M Shane
No. 5 · InExile `I’m beginning to think that the gay contingent planned all of this entirely wrong.
We should have seen first of all to take ” take God out of the mix”. Not only should churches, especially those that use money to follow their own selfish agendas be taxed profusely, but ,and I have thought this at different times, the people who breed unnecessary new additions to our overcrowded population should be taxed per head of children. That way they can start permitting the building of better secular schools.
In fact everything should be secularized, first and formost. No mention of God whatsoever anywhere related to the State. Then this follishness wiould not have been a bother.
InExile
@M Shane: I agree, I used to resent paying for schools via property tax when I had no children. Adding insult to injury, my daughter a doberman was not permitted to run on the local school grounds because she was classified as a dog even though she behaved better than the children. Unfair taxation is what it is.
These Churches that try to block gay rights are making themselves political organizations and should lose their tax exempt status. Wall Street needs their money for bailouts and we need the money for health care.
galefan2004
@youcanthandlethetruth: Say what you want, but we get to spend our money however we want. If we spend it pissing people like you off enough that you feel no other recourse than to come here and preach your rhetoric of “love the sinner hate the sin” stupidity over and over then I will gladly donate my fucking life to the cause. We will outlast you, we have the drive.
galefan2004
@InExile: Churches should be tax exempt just like any other non-profit. You are kidding yourself if you think that churches don’t do good works. You are also kidding yourself if you think people like this jack ass and Dutty Barb speak for their whole church unless by some strange coincidence they both belong to Fred Phelp’s (I’m an asshole that gives every Baptist church a bad name) crazy assed “Baptist” church.
galefan2004
@M Shane: This is funny because my father is a HUGE fan of the “head tax” when it comes to paying for public schools. You will never convince me that a church needs taxed unless you can prove to me that they are not doing just as much to help people as any other nfp (if not more so). Nfps should NOT be taxed regardless of what they are putting out politically as long as the aim is to help people and they are actually doing it.
I personally don’t have a problem with homophobes. Its when those homophobes desire to attack me that it crosses the line. People should be allowed to believe what they want, and taxing a church because it preaches a message you don’t agree with is incorrect.
InExile
@galefan2004: You are living in fantasy land if you think the other people from thier Church do not think like they do. Churches get financial aide from “faith based initiatives that they then funnel to destroying the lives of gay people.
Maybe some churches do good but the ones that invade our government politically should lose their tax exempt status and be taxed as political organizations. These same Churches that are fighting against gay rights are the same that fought against treatment and research for people with AIDS. They are cold blooded killers with blood on their hands. Gays not having rights gives them joy and satisfaction, their hearts are full of hate. The Churches that do good do not hate gays.
InExile
@galefan2004: One more thing, if they care so much about doing good, why do they spend millions to take away rights from gays? That same money could be used for the sick, the poor, or other things other than trying to evangelize everyone. They need to be taxed, period.
MackMike
Youcanthandlethetruth has left a lot of the truth out of his remark, which should suprise none of you. In 2000, Proposition 22 won 61.4 percent of the total popular vote, among those who visted the voting booths that day. In 2008, only 52.24% of all voters voted for the anti-gay, anti-gay marriage measure. Extrapolating the data, it is not too much to suggest that the absent 2% of voters won’t come around and see the horrendous disservice to equality that Proposition 8 was in the year 2010, but the great news is that by 2012, California voters are all but assured a vote in the favor of gay marriage. In fact, just the influence of younger voters should guarantee a victory for gay civil rights–and horror of horrors–the kind of victory that most frightens those of youcanthandlethetruth’s sorts….it will be a victory of the popular vote, who understands the justice behind it.
Greg Theron
HAHAHAHAHA OMG IM IN THAT PICTURE! I’m the one in front of the sign with the Raybans, my goodness. I look hideous.
Brian
@Greg Theron: Body Fat Percentage at about 18%? Or do you have more pics?
Greg Theron
@Brian: HAHA! Love the humor, you were close, its actually 68%.
Brian
@Greg Theron: You owe me some “healthcare” dollars. See you at the gym.
Greg Theron
@Brian: Sounds good. Do you take credit? Can I bring my friend Kirstie Alley along?
Brian
@Greg Theron:
She’s way FAT. Use a forklift.
Look, your health IS important. Get fit, get laid. It’s simple.
Greg Theron
@Brian: Thank you for the fabulous advice. I believe I have made progress. I’ll contact you back when I’m “fit”, and we can talk.
Julian Edward Domain
@InExile: ychtt is a seminary student working his way through school sabotaging us for the rr. That and what better reason to click on kinky links using theo-u’s computer. Did you get that dress from Cher ychtt? I also get gross spam if I complain about ychtt online, anyone else have that problem? Class action suit against the theo-u and we can make it a Queer studies campus.
InExile
@Julian Edward Domain: We need to find out which Church it is and report them to the IRS.
Forrest
Send money to Maine!
schlukitz
Equity California can go straight to hell for all I care. They fumbled the ball last time. What makes us think they will do any better this time.
I sent them $100. before Prop8 was voted on. I know that $100. is not a big deal, but as the old lady said when she peed in the ocean “Every little bit helps”. I am also a retired person living on a fixed income, so I do not have spare money to toss around like water.
The next thing I received from them, was a form requesting my name, my address, my home phone number, my cell phone number, my email address, my employer’s name and my annual salary among other things. It was not a government form, but one which they had created.
I had no problem with supplying all of the information they asked for until the one asking for my annual salary which I felt was no one’s business, least of all, Equity California’s and I sent them an email saying that. I was unaware that California State law required that the source and the amount of one’s income is required when making a donation.
Through a glitch in their inter-office email system, I received a reply, which included the comments of one of the officers of Equity California made to another person in the organization, which were less than kind, much less appreciative of my contribution.
Among other abusive comments I was called a “dumb fuck”, which even if I was, is totally uncalled for by any organization that is begging you for your hard-earned money.
If I send a form like the one they sent to me, maybe Jeff Kors will inform me how much money he makes a year?
NOT! Taht would just make me a “dumb fuck” twice over. LOL
Lloyd Baltazar
WOW!!! You are intensely stupid if you take your far-fetched ideas and compare them to Gay Marriage.
I do not understand why you keep comparing the dog marriage to gay marriage. Can a dog speak English and declare that it would like to marry its owner? NO. Can a child declare to marry under the age of 18? No. There’s the answer to both your questions.
As far as you claiming that Adam & Steve are anatomically similar and therefore cannot procreate—yes, that is true. So since they cannot procreate, are you also going to outlaw marriage for heterosexual couples who cannot produce children? Are you also going to prevent old couples from marrying because they can no longer procreate?
I’m sure you are one of those Christian nutjobs who in their sick mind believe that you are holding the primacy of the Bible & protecting the “sanctity” of marriage. This is AMERICA. You cannot dictate your morals on all individuals just because you and your religion says so. Have you never heard of Separation of Church & State? Furthermore, if you are going to follow the Bible, then at least OWN the whole goddamn package. The bible says, snakes talk, make raped virgins marry their rapists. stone children who lie to their parents, allow slavery, hate gays and ban divorce. Don’t cherry-pick your teachings for your own sick personal convictions. It makes you look like a BIGOT & a HYPOCRITE.
Society changes as society’s need changes. You cannot hold on to the old forever. This is a clear battle between Traditionalism VS Progressivism. If society never changed and remained under your Biblical laws, women would still be treated like animals, slaves would still be property, divorce would not be allowed and racial inequality would still be acceptable.
This is America. To deny a majority group of people [straight] and deny a minority group [LGBT] the right to marry is a civil right issue. To do so is UNFAIR and UNAmericanto law-abiding, TAX-PAYING, Americans who deserve the SAME liberties and privileges & equal protection and fair treatment in this democratic government. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!
schlukitz
@Lloyd Baltazar:
Excellent Post. I agree with you 100 percent.
Why don’t our legislators understand that?
Brian
@Forrest: I sent money to Maine. I’ll also have a lobster dinner this evening.
Brian
@Lloyd Baltazar: “Christian nutjobs.” Well said.
We do have the principle of “separation of Church and State,” mostly to protect us from the aptly defined “christian nutjobs,” but the separation of voter AND belief is the real challenge. These people did not choose those beliefs, they inherited them. The primary reason for gay mistreatment is the biblical license to hate – the whole “homosexuality is wrong, sinful and deviant.” That is our enemy.
We need to put Equality BEFORE Religion or we will never have equality. The idea that homosexuals are wrong is a biblical LIE – just like “slavery” was for a long, long time. Things change. Religion must change or be extinguished.