OUT NYC Hotel owners Ian Reisner and Mati Weiderpass’ private dinner Ted Cruz is back in the news, and not in the way they would like.
Page Six reports that last weekend, Weiderpass (pictured here with the awful GOP presidential candidate) was kicked out of a Fire Island gay bar after his mere presence got on everyone’s nerves.
The disgraced hotelier was sitting with some friends at Sip-n-Twirl on Sunday.
“One guy got up and asked him what the rationale was to have dinner with Cruz,” bar patron Evan Lobel tells Page Six. “They got kind of heated and before you knew it, there was a lot of people yelling.” Not the kind of thing that usually happens in a gay bar, safe to say.
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That’s when owner P.J. McAteer approached the table. He told Weiderpass to leave or he would call the police.
“Upon their departure, the crowd cheered,” Lobel said.
Coincidentally, at the same time this was unfolding, a gay rights group was flying a banner over the island calling for people to boycott Weiderpass’s ex-lover-turned-business-partner Ian Reisner’s Fire Island business development.
After the incident, Weiderpass released the following statement: “P.J. McAteer is condemning me for what he perceives as my thoughts and beliefs by asking me to leave a venue open to all. As small-minded as that is, I have been and will always be an advocate for LGBTQ issues.”
Except, of course, for that time he hosted a private dinner for one of the most vocally antigay Republicans in America.
brandon
Bye bitch! I live in New York and a ton of people have been boycotting XL nightclub as well. Get this douchebag outta here.
Maximo Ramos
Too bad there is no video. …
AtticusBennett
amen.
this was no mere “let’s build bridges!” dinner. and has Cruz lessened his anti-LGBT bigotry? not at all. he’s increased it.
suck it, boys. you effed up, and your pathetic attempts at “apologies” show who you really are – insecure broken money-grubbing conservatives who need to pay boys for company, because nobody wants you. in any way.
Henry Benavidez
Good for them! That’s right.
Gerald GeeLocke Panuthos
#ByeFelicia!
ait10101
Maybe if he thoroughly denounced Cruze and admitted he made a big mistake he could redeem himself. Maybe.
Cam
“After the incident, Weiderpass released the following statement: “P.J. McAteer is condemning me for what he perceives as my thoughts and beliefs by asking me to leave a venue open to all.””
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No, actually it’s because you held a fundraising dinner which raised tens of thousands of dollars for somebody who has directly stated that their goal is to take away gay rights.
This type of person only understands their own comfort, once things start becoming inconvenient for him, i.e. not being able to go out to a gay bar to pick up twinks without getting thrown out, THEN we will finally see another phony apology, but probably better written than the one from his partner.
Chris L. Reynolds
This is a creepy photo-op!
TheAngryFag
Bye Felicia!
McShane
Good.
Mati left the Sip-n-Twirl that night humiliated and incensed. Stepping out into the star filled night he inhaled the warm salty air of the Atlantic. He stared blankly into the dark void of his own putrid soul and softly whispered to himself, “crab people… crab people, taste like crab… talk like people.”
Kevin J Desmond
Bye Bye Bitch
Jason Harris McBroom
Bye heffa’! You’re either for us or against us, and if it’s the latter – you best stay out of our way! To quote Marie Laveau
DonW
I hate the guy but is kicking people out of bars really the best tactic? I mean, how can we ask “Christians” to bake cakes for us if we won’t serve drinks to assholes from our own community?
Cam
@DonW:
Because Christians need to follow non-discrimination and public accommodation laws, that they agreed to when the applied for a business license. Refusing to serve somebody who has raised tens of thousands of dollars to directly attack your civil rights is apples and oranges.
James Martín
An old adage: â??You reap what you sow.â?
onthemark
So much for the theory of some here that “a boycott will never work.”
(Also, isn’t Weiderpass a dandelion killer sold exclusively at Home Depot?)
Mack
@DonW: I’m incline to agree with you. While I despise Ted Cruz and all of the Tea Party Republicans, I don’t think it was right to kick him out. And I agree if we’re going to ask bakers to bake our cakes even if it’s against their religion (supposedly) then we have to turn the other cheek on our kind who supports the enemy. Everybody could have just ignore them and make them feel shun, but I don’t think we should kick anyone out because of their political leanings, no matter how stupid they are.
Peter Taylor
Smallest violin in the world playing right now….
Cam
@Mack: said….
“I don’t think it was right to kick him out. And I agree if we’re going to ask bakers to bake our cakes even if it’s against their religion (supposedly) then we have to turn the other cheek on our kind who supports the enemy.”
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These comments are ludicrous. Comparing expecting somebody to give customers equal service, with not wanting to do business with somebody who has raised tens of thousands of dollars to directly attack you are not the same thing. There are far too many people apologizing for being gay who think that it is somehow terrible to ask for civil rights, so much so that we should allow bigots to be bigots or else we’re being rude.
When a business says, “We don’t make cakes for Asians, or Black people” that isn’t the same as the same business saying “Hey, Tony Perkins, you have spent millions of dollars trying to directly attack me, get out of my store.”
If you can’t see the difference there are only 3 possible reasons.
1. You are a right wing troll, know there is a difference but don’t care.
2. You are so self hating that you still think being LGBT is something to apologize for.
3. You ate a lot of lead paint chips as a child.
Bob LaBlah
““P.J. McAteer is condemning me for what he perceives as my thoughts and beliefs by asking me to leave a venue open to all. As small-minded as that is, I have been and will always be an advocate for LGBTQ issues.”
Too bad he didn’t add “for the LGBTQ community with the ability to pay, that is”. He’s lucky. This is the time of year when gays who think they can afford it flock by the thousands to Fire Island. Even if you live in NYC the transportation costs to get to and from Fire Island approach $85 round trip. Thats why I have never been nor ever wanted to go out there. I figure why go out there just to lie around on a beach with nothing but those lonely little boys from the gym who can’t even pay their monthly gym membership dues on time.
buddy-x
I will never understand or accept a gay person supporting the Republican party…ever.
DCFarmboi
@Mack: From a standpoint of law, race, gender and (in some places) sexual orientation are protected catagories. Political opinions are not.
Now, apart from the law should we voluntarily not discriminate based on political views? Listen, thousands of LGBT people contribute to Republican candidates every election. I may not agree with them, but I see no reason to be impolite or uncivil towards them. For me, the line is when you present yourself as a LGBT leader or public advocate. If the two of them just ant to socialize in the gay community but not call themselves gay advocates or leaders and otherwise lead a quiet life, so be it.
throwslikeagirl
He wasn’t initially kicked out of the bar. There was no discrimination. He was kicked out after his appearance caused a disturbance. Arguably, the man or men who confronted him should have been kicked out, too.
lykeitiz
@Cam: You Go, Brother! Perfect answers to both@Mack: and @DonW: .
And I would just add that he wasn’t thrown out simply for who he is. It’s a gay bar, not a bakery. He was thrown out because he was in an argument that escalated. And hopefully it will happen again and again…..until he sincerely admits he was wrong & apologizes. Key word: sincerely.
enfilmigult
@DonW: I can’t help but agree. If he didn’t start the fight, the fact that he’s a horrible person just isn’t enough reason to kick him out. That’s plain old victim-blaming with a new paint job.
Jack Finley
Karma’s a bitch, ain’t it?
Casey Allen
Hahaha
Cam
@enfilmigult: said… “the fact that he’s a horrible person just isn’t enough reason to kick him out.”
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Actually as long as it isn’t about their race, gender, or orientation, yes, being a horrible person is a perfectly legitimate reason for a business to refuse service.
Businesses have history of refusing service to people in that way. There are multiple stories of OJ Simpson being refused service, David Duke, etc…
polarisfashion
Get out and don’t let the door hit you where the Good Lord split you on your way out!
KM201
@DonW: It’s more complicated than that. Mati was getting into fights with patrons and causing a scene. It was a disturbance and he was asked to leave. Anyone who causes such disruption should be asked to leave. It has nothing to do with discrimination and everything to do with keeping the peace (which is a law in many states). That’s why your analogy used to defend a anti gay supporting self hating bigot is wrong.
Mike Gerard
sorry, how are we any better if we judge others by discriminating against them for who they have dinner with? You can’t have it both ways LGBT and expect to have change. This action was wrong. No I am not condoning his actions but the man had a right to be at the bar regardless.
SteveDenver
Weiderpass sure has a big stupid mouth.
Glad to see his arrogance and stupidity is having its season.
jimontp
@DonW:
Yours is perhaps the most politically naive or willfully ignorant response I’ve read. This rich gay guy HOSTED A FUNDRISER DINNER for the single most hateful antigay GOP presidential candidate. Well I suppose in the GOP field, you could say the same for Santorum or Hucklebee, but for a gay man to HOST someone who would just as soon see all gay people denied their fundamental Consitutional rights, and then show up in a Gay bar. It is not at all like a business, supposedly open to all, deciding they will discriminate. This is a gay man who deserves all the scorn, disgust and business disaster his action has richly deserved. He should be shouted at whenever he sets foot in a gay establishment. Just google Cruz for all his virulent anti-gay stands, then marvel that this idiot rich gay couple would HOST him.
jimontp
@Mike Gerard: @Mike Gerard: He and his partner didn’t “just have dinner” with Cruz. THEY HOSTED A FUND RAISING dinner for the homophobic a–hole who would deny any Constitutional equal rights for ALL gay people. Ted Cruz would support sending any gay youths to “conversion” therapy, pass a Consitutional ammendment to ban gay marriages. Don’t you get that? He hates gays. To host a fundraising dinner for him??? The rich gay idiot who would do that to our communtiy (yes , yours too) deserves to be called out. You honestly don’t get that?
@Mike Gerard: @DonW:
Yours is perhaps the most politically naive or willfully ignorant response I’ve read. This rich gay guy HOSTED A FUNDRISER DINNER for the single most hateful antigay GOP presidential candidate. Well I suppose in the GOP field, you could say the same for Santorum or Hucklebee, but for a gay man to HOST someone who would just as soon see all gay people denied their fundamental Consitutional rights, and then show up in a Gay bar. It is not at all like a business, supposedly open to all, deciding they will discriminate. This is a gay man who deserves all the scorn, disgust and business disaster his action has richly deserved. He should be shouted at whenever he sets foot in a gay establishment. Just google Cruz for all his virulent anti-gay stands, then marvel that this idiot rich gay couple would HOST him.
oilburner
@Cam: # is my favorite. Thank you for your comment I can’t stop laughing.
Kangol
Weiderpass and Reisner sowed salt in the soil and now they’re harvesting the bitter remains.
That blood money to Cruz is the gift that just keeps giving to these creeps!
DuMaurier
@Cam: Was it a “fundraising dinner”? I keep hearing different things: it was a “private dinner” (as this article states), a meet-and-greet with no strings, a policy discussion about Israel, etc.
DuMaurier
@Cam: “…as long as it isn’t about their race, gender, or orientation, yes, being a horrible person is a perfectly legitimate reason for a business to refuse service”.
Usually, probably, and I’d guess where this happened; but it depends on the jurisdiction. There was a case in California (where I live)when two restaurant patrons who refused to remove Nazi insignia that was upsetting other customers were asked to leave; they sued and won on the basis that the state’s anti-discrimination law covers being that kind of “horrible person” (i.e., political beliefs)
Steve Hanson
Awesome, and I thought NY queers were lame rich assimilationists. You proved me wrong.
Mark McCormick
He made his bed. Now he can lie in it.
Carl McClanahan
Hit the door bitch !!!#
Finrod
These two are always going to perceive themselves as victims. Narcissists just suck the life out of you. Better to just turn around and ignore them. You’re never going to have a rational discussion with someone like that.
Bob LaBlah
@buddy-x: Is it safe to say that ol’ Still-got-something-hanging-down-there-Kardashian/Jenner is scratched off your list? lol
DimAsAnEmber
How are we doing anything better than what the extremist Republicans are doing to us? We’re ostracizing someone from our community because they hosted someone whose ideals don’t align with ours. Why should we judge them, before we even know what went on, aside from a donation? We don’t have to play trial by association, especially with people who, in the past, have been contributing to the cause of LGBT people. And why do we have to give a fuck? It’s Weiderpass’ opinion, and it’s one vote. The community vastly outnumbers him. TL:DR- Who cares?
DimAsAnEmber
@Cam: Actually, I think it is? It’s about denying service to someone who has held beliefs or actions that have nothing to do with the service itself. He wasn’t bitching about the bar, or causing a disruption. Weiderpass responded to a discussion started by another patron, and he should have kept his cool, admittedly. But this kind of reaction to someone who simply does something that we don’t like isn’t an excuse to slander them. Just say, I don’t care. It doesn’t matter if Weiderpass gives a few thousand dollars to Ted Cruz. Know why? Because he already has MILLIONS from other corporations and patrons. That money is worth almost less than nothing in the grand scheme. And we don’t know which of Cruz’s views Weiderpass supports, because we know nothing other than that he gave Cruz some money. I don’t think that his intention was to raise money to attack gay people, it might have been to support some of his other opinions. I honestly detest Ted Cruz, and I agree with nothing he says except term limits, and even his statements about that make me cringe. Just don’t assume, because that’s what people have done to our community before, and hasn’t it hurt us enough?
Clark35
Oh well.
enfilmigult
@Cam: Oh, not legally; political affiliation only comes into any kind of anti-discrimination law in a couple of states. I just think it’s a disappointing way to handle the situation, if I’m getting the correct impression from the description of events. He’s a complete dickbag, but not for walking into a bar and conducting himself reasonably, which it sounds like he was. If he was responsible for escalating it that’ll be one thing, but the description reads to me like he was just getting ganged up on. Sizing up the situation and deciding to kick him out instead of the people who started bothering him is like saying everyone else is literally powerless to do any better and it’s his fault for existing in the same room. Maybe that actually is true in a room where everyone’s drinking, I dunno. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth for a business open to the public to do that.
Ron King
Wish there was a video…she must of been plucked.
Tom Gouzoules
Actions have consequences…
Saint Law
This entitled dolt has lived a life insulated from the consequences of his own actions. But not anymore. His cozying up to Cruz is going to follow him forever.
dtlajim
When you choose $, power, and prestige over your own community, the community has every right to respond.
Cam
@DimAsAnEmber: said…
“””@Cam: Actually, I think it is? It’s about denying service to someone who has held beliefs or actions that have nothing to do with the service itself. He wasn’t bitching about the bar, or causing a disruption. Weiderpass responded to a discussion started by another patron, and he should have kept his cool, admittedly. But this kind of reaction to someone who simply does something that we don’t like isn’t an excuse to slander them.””
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You are either a right wing troll or an incredibly misguided and willfully ignorant person. Let’s break down your statement.
1. Only a right wing troll would say that beliefs or actions that have nothing to do with the service mean that the person shouldn’t be kicked out. Really? So if a man who beat up your friend, or your sister came into a bar you owned you could not kick him out? Actually, yes you can. This man, supplied funds to somebody targeting and attacking LGBT’s directly. That isn’t a “Belief” that is an attack. And you think that targeting the civil rights of the owner directly don’t have an effect on their business?
2. You said that type of behavior isn’t an excuse to “Slander” them. Do you realize that slander is a lie. If what people say he did “Donating to Cruz, organizing a fundraiser for him” is the truth, then saying it isn’t slander. But how funny that you seem to care so much about HIS beliefs, but nothing for the victims of the attacks his money will fund.
You see what happens when you try to talk about things you don’t seem to understand?
Again, Weiderpuss didn’t walk into the bar and say “I’m a republican” and get kicked out. He was exposed as directly funneling tens of thousands of dollars directly to a man with the stated goal of directly attacking every LGBT in the country. Again, if you defend that, then my vote goes for Right Wing troll rather than willfully ignorant.
1EqualityUSA
why are these people in that bar to begin with? That place should be a ghost town, save the log cabin twits.
NoCagada
Take it out and shoot it
DimAsAnEmber
@Cam: I’m sorry if I was unclear before. All I wanted to say is that we shouldn’t ostracize him for something that will have very little eventual impact on us. And what you said makes me think that you might have a couple facts wrong, as well. In all of the articles I’ve read on this blowout, it appears to have been a small “informal dinner” of some sort. And Ian Reisner contributed $2,700 to Cruz’s campaign. Why do they have to earn back our trust, after years of donating to LGBT causes and creating safe spaces for the people within our community? I think it’s awful that we’ve learned nothing but to be as cynical and hateful as the people who’ve fought against us. And I’m not a right-wing troll, but thank you for thinking that my ideas were well-formed, if not inflammatory.
Jonathan26
@Cam: It seems clear Reisner & Weiderpass are responsible for “directly funneling tens of thousands of dollars” to far right politicians more aptly described as gay bashing monsters. At the same time, though, why is so little being said about the invaluable access Reisner & Weiderpass provided to their rarefied world of wealth & power and vast pools of donor money waiting to be tapped by cash hungry candidates like Cruz & Johnson? The $2,700 max out donation by Reisner was the tip of the iceberg. Another point lost in the discussion is that shortly after the Cruz dinner, Weiderpass attended another event where he met the Senator yet again. This is not man who is prepared to show any contrition or remorse for his behavior. He is a lifelong Republican operative & along with Reisner cares about one thing only – turning on the GLBT revenue stream. They have lost all credibility in the community & doing business with them or patronizing their businesses as is indefensible as their behavior.
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: These two haven’t done shit for the LGBT community. They have clearly worked against us politically and have a long history of donating to right wing causes and politicians. They donate to PACs too. You think the $2,700 personal donation to Cruz was all that there is? Whatever minor donationss they do for LGBT causes is far outshined by the major donations and large chunks of money they funny into right wing PACs and such.
These blowhards need to be called out for what they are. Disgusting idiots who are betraying the community and the entire country by supporting candidates that want to hurt everyone except the super wealthy.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *Funny lol? I mean funnel.
startenout
@Cam: Just to play Devil’s Advocate (because I’m really fine with him being thrown out and unsubscribed from the XL mailing list today when I got all their info about events during Pride week since that’s just hypocritical), it kind of is about his orientation since this would not be getting this kind of press if he wasn’t a gay couple who had hosted the party.
Erik Anderson
Bye bye, Boo Boo Kitty!
Karl Johan Uri
Such BS get over yourselves
ScottOnEarth
@Mike Gerard: Mike, these two ass-kissers hosted a fundraiser for a vehemently anti-gay asshole. Why on earth would any of us tolerate that on any level? And then one of them has the nerve to show his pasty face in a gay bar? No way.
mikelphx
Are we going after our own now? I am no fan of Ted Cruz and this is getting out of hand. Many wealthy people including gays tend to vote Republican. Neither party has done us any favors and both sell out to get votes. Once gay marriage passes all this politics crap will finally go away.
Giancarlo85
@mikelphx: he’s not one of our own. And many wealthy people don’t vote republican. Republicans are bad for everyone and bad for this country and economy. Democrats have done better than republicans, so spare us all this “both are bad talk”. Republicans are bad… and have traditionally led this country to recessions and wars.
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Yes, he is. If that man is LGBTQIAA (Did I get all of the letters?) he is part of our community, by simple right of genetics. I’m a moderate Democrat myself, and I can say that we contributed a fair amount to the overspending that led to our debt, although the Democratic party has done much better on the social side of things. The Republican party is much more moderate than it appears, because of extreme Republicans like Ted Cruz, Mike Pence, and Michelle Bachmann. And with the whole thing about wealthy people and their voting habits, it’s probably true for both of your statements. Many wealthy people vote Republican, and many wealthy people vote Democrat. And maybe elaborate on “Republicans are bad…” If the LGBT community had to pick a political group to target, I’d vote for the Tea Party.
Jim Guinnessey
Not a civilized thing to do! If anything is going to drive some Gay men and women into the Republican voting column it’s things like asking Weiderpass to leave Sip and Twirl. Everyone, including Gay men and women have a right to his/her opinion even if at times it proves offensive and confusing to mainstream Gay men and women.
Dee Omally
This guy is not gay, but an no-so-undercover-now Republican….
Blake Paris
Makes you feel great doesn’t ? Being just as hateful? No. No it doesn’t.
James Hart
Although I’m a gay Democrat who supports gay marriage, I think that this smacks of totalitarianism – gay totalitarianism. Is this the Soviet Union, circa 1975? Or are we reliving the McCarthy era; do we now have a “black list?” Is this the beginning of a gay McCarthyism? Is “1984” here?
James Hart
@Mike Gerard: I agree with you.
Dion Daly-Susino
Wish I was there.
James Hart
@James Martín: Jesus said that.
billywonka
Mati Weiderpass = another ‘ho for Cruz.
Dennis Mitchell
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: Bullshit! He is not one of our own. He has nothing to do with me. I don’t identify with anything about him at all. By the way, everyone is a human being, but you don’t see me identifying with certain people.
” and I can say that we contributed a fair amount to the overspending that led to our debt,”
Bullshit. Most of the debt is because of republicans. Look at the source please. Don’t even try to deflect that one. Most of the excessive spending in recent times is because of budget plans passed by a republican controlled Congress. Democrats passed such bills like the Frank-Dodd reforms that were gutted by republicans that reigned in financial irregularities.
“The Republican party is much more moderate than it appears”
More bullshit. That isn’t true at at all. Their core is extremist. They are an extreme right wing party. The democrats are right of center. We all know how this works. There is nothing moderate about the republican party, who are socially conservative and corporatist in nature.
” And maybe elaborate on “Republicans are bad…” ”
Because their economic record is shit, they gut good reforms like Frank-Dodd and continue to sell this country out to white collar criminals. Their political party is also tied to Sheldon Adelson, who is allegedly tied to Chinese organized crime.
@James Hart: Nonsense. Do us all a favor and look up totalitarianism. There is no black list. Somebody was called out for spewing constant bullshit (much like what you are other right wing brownnosers do on here). You can have all the opinions you want, but people have the right to criticize them.
Some people here need to get their heads out of the clouds and come back to reality!
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: By the way, I am leftist much on the same wave length as the Green/90′ Alliance or perhaps even the “Die Linke” (Far Left) in Germany. I also view Alexis Tsipras as a hero for standing against the corporatism trying to conquer this world. The republican party is linked with corporatism and want to mortgage everyones future so they can line their pockets.
The American political system isn’t moderate. The democrats are right wing. The republicans are far right wing (they make the French right wing look moderate! Remember that old nut Jean Marie Le Pen? He looks rational compared to the republican party!).
You are NOT a moderate. You are a fraud.
blackberry finn
Devil’s Advocate:
1. If he was just sitting at the bar quietly, he shouldn’t have been harassed. He didn’t commit a crime.
2. We don’t know his motives for “chumming up” to Cruz. It’s possible he is trying to get in good with Cruz as a way to impact Cruz’s view of gay people. Sometimes you have to put your head in the mouth of the wolf.
3. Moderation has always proven to be more effective than radicalism in the long run.
Kevin Steele
What I don’t understand is…the GLBT community is supposed to be inclusive and respectful of everyone’s beliefs – political and spiritual – yet the second someone expresses a belief completely different /radical then y’all are the first to exclude them?! This is why I am so ashamed of the gay community!
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: First off, that’s your opinion on Weiderpass, fine. But is there some way that we could discuss this civilly? I much don’t appreciate your calling my opinion on the matter bullshit, or your description of me as a fraud. I am in favor of gun control, stronger definition between what is religious liberty and what is not, and that corporations shouldn’t be able to evade paying the correct amount of taxes by simply moving revenue offshore. I would call that fairly left, in the frame of reference of just this country. And in response to your statement about the Republican party, it seems to me that the whole of Congress operates on a spectrum, ranging from far-right to far-left. Yes, there are extremes on both sides, neither of which are very appealing (though I’d take the Democrats any day.) But there are still more moderates within the system than there are the people you described. And the very nature of Congress is to backtrack and screw up laws that were as good as they could have been from the start. It only takes just over 1/3 of Capitol Hill to bring everything to a grinding halt, at which point those people are free to make demands, because they have no problem. TL: DR- I would very much like to think that I am moderate, because I think compromise is how we’re going to make progress, not by allowing both parties to refuse to acknowledge the ideas of the other.
1EqualityUSA
DimAsAnEmber, Always consider who the Republicans would want for the Supreme Court. We cannot have another ScaliaThomasAlitoid. Presidents come and go, SCOTUS is for life.
lauraspencer
@James Hart:
I agree with you Mr. Hart, Mike Gerard & James Martin.
Thank you for your respectful posts. I am a Democrat, but if you think differently than many on this board you get attacked. I have said on numerous posts that as a community we are often hypocrites. We are doing the same thing to our own that have been done to us. We want to be different and accepted, but don’t want to extend the same courtesy.
MoochO
So much for acceptance & inclusiveness. This may as well have been a redneck bar. I don’t understand the lack of tolerance with dissenting opinion in our community. We expect tolerance from the straight majority, yet we can’t give any to a brother…?! If I remember correctly, Obama came-a-courtin’ RIGHT BEFORE HIS LAST ELECTION. And I never heard of Cruz’s old tricks dying off like flies, either. What was the name of that dive, The Borg Cube…?!
lauraspencer
@DimAsAnEmber:
Don’t let Giancrazy85 get to you. My political beliefs are similar to yours and I get attacked constantly on this board for not seeing things the way they want me to.
Please keep posting your thoughts, but don’t expect Giancrazy85 to be civil.
As for my renaming Giancarlo85 “crazy” it is childish, but it seems to be the only way to interact with him….on his level.
Cam
@James Hart: said… “Although I’m a gay Democrat who supports gay marriage, I think that this smacks of totalitarianism – gay totalitarianism.”
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You can always tell the right wing trolls because they feel that they have to try to announce their lie “Although I’m a gay Democrat who supports gay marriage…..”
Nice try troll, but if you REALLY were, it would never occur to you that you had to announce that. not to bright are you??
@Kevin Steele: said….. “What I don’t understand is…the GLBT community is supposed to be inclusive and respectful of everyone’s beliefs – political and spiritual – yet the second someone expresses a belief completely different /radical then y’all are the first to exclude them?!”
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Could the right wing stop trying this B.S. line? It didn’t work for the Mormons during Prop 8 and it doesn’t work here. The “Beliefs” you are talking about is somebody holding fundraisers to raise tens of thousands of dollars for somebody who has directly stated that they want to attack gays civil rights. That is an attack, not a “Belief”, but nice try.
@Jim Guinnessey: said….. “Not a civilized thing to do! If anything is going to drive some Gay men and women into the Republican voting column it’s things like asking Weiderpass to leave Sip and Twirl.”
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LOL!!!!!! Oh, THIS is the best one. YEAH, sure, so lets see, the GOP has as part of it’s platform that gays should have no rights, be second class citizens, and what rights we do have should be attacked and stripped away, but sending somebody who gives money to people attacking us is going to make gays join a group of political gay bashers.
Could the little interns working for Weiderpass and Reisner just give it up? Your attempts to try to excuse their behavior isn’t just pathetic, it’s embarrassing to see.
Next are you going to come on here and attack women who want rapists put in jail because that is offensive to the rapists “Beliefs”?
Giancarlo85
@DimAsAnEmber: “I am in favor of gun control, stronger definition between what is religious liberty and what is not, and that corporations shouldn’t be able to evade paying the correct amount of taxes by simply moving revenue offshore.”
Except these aren’t even that left wing… at all. In other developed countries, you’re still a right winger.
“And in response to your statement about the Republican party, it seems to me that the whole of Congress operates on a spectrum, ranging from far-right to far-left.”
Bullshit. There is only center right to far right. There is no far left in this country. There isn’t even a center left that is viable. The Green Party has been in decline for years.
“But there are still more moderates within the system than there are the people you described.
Not true. There are no real moderates within the system, and certainly not within the republican party.
“I would very much like to think that I am moderate, because I think compromise is how we’re going to make progress, not by allowing both parties to refuse to acknowledge the ideas of the other.”
Except this doesn’t work. President Obama has been incredibly weak in this regard. He thinks he needs to talk and compromise with the republicans. That’s how the viable Frank-Dodd rules got gutted. Obama relented and republicans got what they want. You just don’t get it. You cannot compromise with republicans. They will do everything to undermine you and this system. This is where Obama has failed miserably at. He wasn’t confrontational enough with this extremist right wing party (which is mainly extremist with no so called “moderates”). The so called “moderates” you talk about in the republican party left in the 1980s.
@lauraspencer: Because you’re a right wing libertarian fanatic who tries to mascarade as a moderate too. You’re the only one that is crazy here. You have crazy inane viewpoints like being “conservative economically”. Nobody is like that in any other developed country. Heck, even conservatives in other countries are left wing compared to you. So yeah, the only crazy one here is you. You keep chiming in with useless thoughts too.
Giancarlo85
@Cam: You are right. We have many right wing trolls in this thread screaming about how they are getting discriminated against. Last I checked if you post a dumb opinion it can be criticized. They think their viewpoints are protected from criticism and if someone criticizes them they are being victimized.
@Kevin Steele: And I’m ashamed of right wing sell-outs like you who will do anything to kiss right wing ass like so many others under this article.
@MoochO: Oh how sweet… another troll! Did you ever realize that people funding and supporting right wing social extremists aren’t going to be well accepted in the community? This has nothing to do with dissenting opinions. I guess your misinformed opinion needs special protections because you’re sensitive to any form of criticism.
That crazy lunatic Lauraspencer, these two trolls and this Dimwit character don’t have much in the way of substance. It’s all the same nonsense from the peanut gallery.
Giancarlo85
@Giancarlo85: *masquerade
onthemark
If it helps anyone here, Ted Cruz is going absolutely nowhere. His prospects are bad in Iowa, NH & SC (the first 3) so he’s counting on the loser Giuliani-style “strategy” of waiting for the later primaries, which never works, or the mythical unicorn of a “brokered convention,” which never happens. So aside from causing themselves a lot of trouble, Reisner & Weiderpas wasted their money. (This still leaves the problem of which maniac WILL get that nomination, but at least it won’t be Cruz.)
@lauraspencer: I get your general point, although I’ll never understand why you voted for Romney in 2012! If you consider that a moderate position, I doubt there are many here who’d agree with you on that one.
As for Giancarlo, he spends so much time crowing about what a real leftist he is, and how there’s no longer a real left anymore in the U.S. compared to “other developed countries” (which is true IMO), while at the same time he supports Hillary (and insults Sanders) which is by any standard the “moderate” Democrat position. He never addresses Hillary’s support of the Iraq invasion, which is the exact reason Obama is president right now instead of her.
I have a new theory: Giancarlo is actually a PAID, RIGHT-WING troll, whose employers intend for him to piss off literally everyone here in an attempt to turn LGBT voters against Hillary!
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: I reluctantly support Hillary as the only viable alternative to the republican party.
Too bad Ralph Nader is like 81 right now lol. And Jerry Brown is in his mid 70s. Hillary is too cozy with the corporations, like the entire democratic and republican parties. I’ve even had a bit of criticism for Jerry Brown recently as he didn’t take tough enough action on certain companies contaminating local water sources.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-fracking-water-20150311-story.html
He hasn’t got a passing grade from me in this regard. How can we allow these companies to contaminate our water supply, when we are going through a drought?
I never really did insult Sanders. I just don’t view him as a viable candidate. There is no such thing as a moderate in this system though.
” Giancarlo is actually a PAID, RIGHT-WING troll, whose employers intend for him to piss off literally everyone here in an attempt to turn LGBT voters against Hillary!
Really? Have any proof for that? Or is that one more of your air headed claims? I am very much on the left wing and I’m a green. I’m not even that big of a supporter of Hillary. I only support her because the lack of viable alternatives (and Bernie Sanders is not a viable candidate, despite some of his views being attractive).
You love spouting off bullshit, offthemark, much like the crap you gave me in the other thread insulting my background. And my employers? I work for a public utility which is apolitical. While certain employees are permitted to donate to political causes of their choosing, the company itself cannot.
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: Okay. That’s a remarkably CIVIL reply, for you! And I agree with you on every point.
I will probably, happily vote for Hillary (not that it really matters in my state) and just need to decide whether to donate anything early on, or if Sanders might accomplish something worthwhile. Btw I have many relatives in CA and go there often.
Giancarlo, I’ll give you a clue – sometimes I’m joking. I knew I could get a rise out of you with that “theory.” I don’t really believe it. (Yet!)
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: You have a lot of growing up to do. And you need to gain some global perspective. I have nothing further to say to you here. You say you’re a certain age, but you act like you’re 15.
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: “I have nothing further to say to you here.”
Promise???
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: Nope. I never promise anything certainly not to you.
But I am off to see the Pride Parade.
Have fun being immature and alone.
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: Typical – I totally agree with you and you’re STILL insulting.
I hope you’ll let your slave, I mean “boyfriend” out of his chains for a day!
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: But you have to understand, you can’t compare America to other developed countries, simply because they are on such a different level than we are. All of them have more parties which do have more influence, which allows for a much wider range of political positions to be expressed within a central government. My opinions are left, because they align with the “left” wing of Congress. I can agree that globally, the interests of America are far more aligned with and revolve around revenue and capital. But from the viewpoint of people who have only had this system their entire lives, these views are “left.” And seriously, do you really have to insult my ideas on politics? They might be wrong, but that’s not an excuse to call them bullshit or dimwitted. (Although that was clever wordplay.) And sorry about the people insulting you, it doesn’t make sense that we can’t have a civil discussion.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: And you’re the one talking about a lack of respect. My boyfriend and I are on mutual terms. I treat him as my equal. Just waiting for him to get back home from his parents then I’ll be off. He loves his family too. You, however, are a scum bag.
@DimAsAnEmber: You don’t get the point I was trying to make. It completely went past your head. Your opinions are right wing. Deal with the reality please. No, the interests of America are aligned with white collar criminals and corporatism. Don’t try to use powdery language please.
And when something stinks, it’s most likely bullshit. That’s what I think of your arguments. And the moment you said “we should compromise with republicans”. I’m sorry but you lost me there. How can you compromise with a nasty extremist party that doesn’t want compromise to begin with?
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: Flagged.
@DimAsAnEmber: I get your general point. It’s great to have a “global perspective” (and it’s funny he thinks I don’t know anything – I’ve spent a lot of time in Japan for instance and I’ll bet anything he’s never been there, of course).
But we’re in the U.S. dealing with our own wacky system. Unfortunately we don’t have a parliamentary system like most normal countries. I wish more & more that we did.
“Deal with the reality,” well even GC does this by “reluctantly” accepting Hillary as the best option. What are we even arguing about, then, past a certain point? (Reading these comments, you’d forget this article was about Ted Cruz and Mati Weiderpass.) GC excoriates everyone here for supposedly being “right wing,” but he’s going to vote for Hillary, and so are almost all of us who he’s insulting, so what the hell difference does it make if anyone knows who Alexis Tsipras is or Eugene V. Debs was, we’re almost all going to vote for Hillary anyway.
Yes, in an American context, you are not right wing – and even if in a “global” context you were, who the f*ck cares? You live here, not there. And so does GC even though he hates Americans so much. What does he do at Pride, tell all the gay people how much he hates them?
lauraspencer
@onthemark:
Giancarlo, will you please make the same promise to me?
Onthemark, I voted for Romney because I wasn’t happy with Obama’s first 4 years. He ran on “change” and presented himself as not the typical politician. His first 4 years when he had the power of a Democratic house he didn’t do much for change and he showed himself to be like most politicians.
If I had an employee who was in his/her role for 4 years and their contract was up and I wasn’t happy with their performance I would let them go and try something new.
Romney (like all politicians) wasn’t perfect but I thought I might as well give him a chance. If he didn’t perform in 4 years I would vote against him as well.
onthemark
@lauraspencer: Didn’t Romney’s and Ryan’s anti-gay positions bother you?
DimAsAnEmber
@Giancarlo85: Okay then. Have fun at the Pride Parade, hope you have a good time.
lauraspencer
@onthemark:
No, their “anti” gay positions didn’t bother me. I believe most Republicans who position themselves to be against gay issues truly aren’t. They only use the issue to pander to what unfortunately has become a voting demo for them….the religious right.
Public opinion on gay issues has changed drastically over the past decade (think about the polls back in 2004 when marriage was being discussed in MA a state once governed by Romney). Older generations have passed on and younger generations are more accepting. Our “community” isn’t going to be thrown into concentration camps as some would want us to believe. Culture has shifted in the US and the new generations accept LGBT rights. This shift was evident a couple years ago and that is why the Dems (Clinton, Biden, Obama, et. al) who never spoke for gay rights all of the sudden were in favor of them. They knew public opinion had shifted so it was safe for them to now stand on our side as well.
The gay issue has never been at the top of my list when it comes to voting for a President. I’m more concerned about International Policy, Economy, Defense, Education, et. al. My life and most everyone else’s would be affected more by the above issues than the gay one. I try to vote more for what I feel is better for a group and not just myself. I’m more than just a gay man.
Have a great day!
James Hart
@lauraspencer: As a community we say we stand for freedom. But freedom is not just a theory, it must be practiced. Therefore, we must accept that others will disagree with us but that doesn’t make them monsters. “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the end your right to say it.”
James Hart
@Cam: I am gay and I am a Democrat in NYC. You just don’t like it when others think for themselves and refuse to sing from your songbook. By the way, if you’re so smart, you should know the difference between “to” and “too” when you write.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: I’m accepting Hillary as the only viable candidate because that’s the nature of the system. I understand you have mental issues, but that isn’t my problem. Honestly I may not even vote at this point. Hillary is probably the only viable candidate. That’s all I’m saying.
“And so does GC even though he hates Americans so much. ”
Another stupid piss ant response. I never said I hate Americans. I can’t stand the political system though, and I think quite a few people in this very country hate it.
And go ahead and flag whatever the fuck you want. It’s obvious to me you don’t have a real argument.
@lauraspencer: Oh come on that’s silly. You were unhappy with Obama, so you voted for a corrupt hypocritical clown who picked a running mate who was willing to gut every government program out there? Bravo. You really did just show your true colors.
This wasn’t just about Romney’s positions on gay people. It was about how his positions in general. He was a terrible candidate with a shitty record. Just ask people in Massachusetts how they feel about him. They hate him. He left with approval ratings that would make George Bush depressed. I believe over 60% of people in that state disapproved of him.
You voted for Romney because he supposedly would do “better on the economy”. Which is just a joke in itself. A crappy candidate. But I’m pretty sure you’ll be voting republican in 2016 anyways. That’s almost a guarantee.
It’s funny you can’t really name us why you voted for Romney. And then you come up with this tidbit of nonsense:
” I’m more concerned about International Policy, Economy, Defense, Education, et. al.
IF you really were, you wouldn’t be voting republican because republicans fail in every part of that.
“My life and most everyone else’s would be affected more by the above issues than the gay one. I try to vote more for what I feel is better for a group and not just myself. I’m more than just a gay man.”
This again. For one, I am more than just a gay man too, and that is why I would never trust a republican with handling international policy, a dollar, the future of our kids or anyones health. How can you justify voting republican on ANY of those issues anyways? Explain to us HOW. Do you think they are better for the economy? Because we all know they aren’t. Take a look at the last three republican presidencies, and the last two republican candidates (McCain and Romney)… shit all around.
Giancarlo85
@James Hart: Oh you think freedom is just a one way street. You think any form of criticism is bad and that certain right wingers need to have their speech protected from criticism. Sorry to burst your bubble but “freedom” doesn’t work that way. If you’re going to espouse stupid viewpoints and support idiotic and dangerous candidates, people will criticize you.
And wake up, nobody is taking anyones right away to voice their views. But you want to take away the right of people to criticize certain viewpoints because you think that’s dangerous to freedom. You’re a hypocrite.
James Hart
@onthemark: You really think he has a bf? Who could stand living with that harridan?
Giancarlo85
@James Hart: Says the guy who can’t handle a bit of criticism in his life.
You’ve never dated anyone. I doubt you’ve even kissed anyone before.
James Hart
@Giancarlo85: I don’t believe that a misfit like you has a bf. Or did you dream him up in one of your psychotic episodes?
Giancarlo85
@James Hart: You want misfit? Take a look in the mirror. I’m not the one kissing republican ass all day like you do. You’re the real psychotic queen here. Keep living in the closet. I know you don’t want to offend those christian conservatives you look up to.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Did you already get kicked out of Pride? That was a quick visit to the parade.
I don’t see any Republican candidates at this point and time who interest me so for now I’m still waiting for a Democrat or Republican to step up and earn my vote. As I said in previous posts I wish Elizabeth Warren was running. I would like to see more and learn more about her.
You do realize who was responsible for the sub-prime mortgage mess that caused much of our economic downfall in 2008 do you not? As for international policy and defense Republicans tend to be more supportive of the military.
James Hart
@Giancarlo85: Too little, too late, Gia.
James Hart
@Giancarlo85: Sweet Gia: I’ve been out of the closet for 35 years and I’ve voted only for Democrats. Anyone who espouses as much vitriol as you must really hate himself. Do get help. For your sake and the community’s sake.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: I didn’t go for long. 2-3 hours at most at the Parade. That was it. It was quite hot. Always holier than thou with the attitude.
Romney was shit on multiple issues, including the economy. I still don’t get how you can say he would have been good.
“You do realize who was responsible for the sub-prime mortgage mess that caused much of our economic downfall in 2008 do you not? ”
Republicans because they did most of the deregulation in the 1980s. Don’t even try to blame democrats for that. What caused that mess were republicans, and the prior republican administration made it worse.
” As for international policy and defense Republicans tend to be more supportive of the military.”
More misinformed nonsense. That’s why they send soldiers to countries to die in illegal wars. Doesn’t seem very supportive. Republicans also gut the already cash strapped VA and… there is this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/04/predatory-lending-military_n_7203762.html
Yeah, very supportive right?
You are so full of yourself on so many levels. And the way you try to blame democrats for the economic downfall in 2008 exposes your huge ignorance of issues. Republicans were the ones responsible and that goes all the way back to the Reagan administration.
Giancarlo85
@James Hart: No, you’re very much a republican. You’re not a democrat. You’re also not out. Stop lying to us please. Nobody is believing it. You need immediate psychatric help. You are not mentally stable.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
And the Clinton Administration in the 90s (who I voted for twice)wasn’t responsible for the economic issues that caused the collapse in 2008 at all? So you blame Reagan in the 80s and then it jumps to Bush in the early 00’s? So Clinton didn’t do anything?? Hmmm. Look again into subprime mortgages in the 90s when Clinton was in office. Mortgages were given out left and right to people who shouldn’t have been given them because they couldn’t afford to pay them back.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You are a big liar of massive proportions. Much of the deregulation started with Reagan, slowed during the Clinton administration, and with Bush… those same ideas came back into play. You are a massive liar and you don’t know anything about the 2008 recession. The fact that you try to blame democrats for it shows how much of an ignorant idiot you really are. And if you think it was just subprime mortgages, you think wrong. And under much of the Clinton administration, who controlled the Congress? Sometimes people like you aren’t even worth anyones time because you are nothing more than a historical revisionist.
REPUBLICANS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 2008 RECESSION. Why? Because they controlled the Congress and the White House prior (until 2006). They were the ones passing bills that allowed Wall Street to do whatever they wanted.
Your ignorance of this subject is not particularly surprising.
Giancarlo85
And one other thing… If you think democrats are to blame for the recession Bush and his republicans Congress friends caused and made even worse. You need to re-check the history books too.
You’re just another libertarian who subscribed to ridiculously stupid viewpoints of economics. We all get it.
lauraspencer
@Giancarlo85:
Reading isn’t your strong suit dear. Where above did I lay blame on just the Dems? I’m not blaming Dems. I’m blaming both parties. They both had their hands in the mess. Politicians are all the same.
“Sometimes people like you aren’t even worth anyones time because you are nothing more than a historical revisionist.”
If I’m not worth your time then feel free not to respond to my postings. As I have said numerous times you are the one who jumps on my comments when I post. I never comment on your postings UNTIL you attack me.
DimAsAnEmber
@lauraspencer: At least someone (You) can respond calmly to an insulting response.
onthemark
@lauraspencer: Although I agree 95% or more with Giancarlo – not that it’ll do me any good, of course! – there is a grain of truth in what you say. Bill Clinton, for instance, signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act. That was a GREAT piece of New Deal legislation that prevented a lot of problems in banks. As soon as it was repealed, the banks started to spin out of control. Clinton was proud of signing that repeal, at the time, although he probably wouldn’t admit it now. (Nor would Hillary like to discuss it, I bet.) So that one wasn’t caused by the Republicans… oh wait, it kind of was because they controlled Congress at the time, so Clinton merely signed it, it was a Republican idea.
And then there’s NAFTA (Clinton) and TPP (Obama) but that’s another story…
onthemark
@James Hart: “You really think he has a bf? Who could stand living with that harridan?”
LOL. I’m agnostic on that point. It would depend on whether he could stay silent during sex. Or maybe he has a deaf bf.
Giancarlo85
@lauraspencer: You apparently don’t read your own bullshit you post… that’s sad.
““You do realize who was responsible for the sub-prime mortgage mess that caused much of our economic downfall in 2008 do you not? ””
You basically were saying the republicans weren’t responsible, even when it was republicans who were responsible for the lionshare of deregulation?
“I’m blaming both parties. They both had their hands in the mess. Politicians are all the same.”
Oh here we go with this garbage again. Democrats pushed the Dodd-Frank regulation and republicans gutted it. You then voted for a republican (Romney).
Your viewpoints are ridiculous and aren’t representative of reality! Clinton signed the repeal because he was forced to do so. Republicans controlled the Congress under his administration and had a veto override (much the same case with the DOMA). Clinton had no other option. But to blame the whole recession on that… is shortsighted and foolish.
@onthemark: And again with the bullying antics. Coming from a 60 something year old guy with no boyfriend and no husband… that’s kind of ironic.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: Here we go with that bogus “95%” figure. The other day it was 98%. How about 3%? That sounds more realistic.
Terry Green
Good! They do have the freedom to do and say what they want, but that does not mean it is free of consequences.
Irish Ryan
Lol
Steve Wyrick
Like my Daddy always said “‘At’ll learn ya”
Cory M. Warren
that is call private sector buisnesses taking a stand against big goverment intrusion… cause ted cruz and the republicans are for massive goverment, and massive spending.
Thomas Cowhey Fitzgibbon Jr.
Whoa.. I bet that was the biggest “Bye Felicia” there ever was!
dwes09
All the long discussion about who to blame the recession on is irrelevant to the issue art hand, and the comment: “As a community we say we stand for freedom. But freedom is not just a theory, it must be practiced. Therefore, we must accept that others will disagree with us but that doesn’t make them monsters. “I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the end your right to say it.” is disingenuous when used in this instance.
There is a huge difference between allowing someone to speak their mind and catering to someone who supports people actively seeking to strip us of civil rights and turn back any social progress made over the last few years. What Weiderpass has done in supporting and fundraising for Cruz is undermine democracy as well as actively work against LGBT enfranchisement. Those who think it is an issue of freedom of speech would do well to research Cruz’s Dominionist background! If he were to be elected, he would work actively to erode our constitution and replace it with “christian law”. He is not at all interested in what is best for Americans, but only in advancing a dominionist agenda, which ultimately would re-criminalize homosexuality.
Luis H. Ramos
Did he seriously believe that he would get away with it with no consequences just because he’s loaded and donates to LGBT causes? Extreme arrogance has a habit of blinding those it possesses.
Robert Young
Lol, great job guys!
1EqualityUSA
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Dan Nelson
So they booted him out of the business for being an idiot? Really? Yeah, the dude is dickless — but as LGBT, we’re looking for protections not to be turned away because of our sexual orientation. Now, here’s a guy who’s the biggest moron in the world — but really — should he be turned away for that? I think this will give the far right ammunition to say, “Well, if the gays are turning away people from business — then why can’t we?”
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: Do you even WANT people to agree with you? Or do you NOT want people to agree with you? Why are you even here? What is your purpose in posting so much here, do you just want to insult people? Is that all it is? Is there any point to what you are doing?
Btw I’m quite a bit younger than 60 – not that there’s anything wrong with being 60, you ageist troll – and I do have a boyfriend who often advises me & urges me to GET AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD. Obviously you don’t have THAT kind of boyfriend, in the unlikely event you have one at all. Sunday is the big eBay day and Monday is the big shipping day, so I tend to be here more on those days. You are here EVERY DAY and yeah I notice the time stamps – you post early in the morning before your job and then exactly 9 HOURS LATER you are back. I’m away from here for days at a time – easily checkable and Google-able.
At any rate, insulting people for (supposedly) being single is the worst kind of ad hominem attack. The last time I checked, single people are allowed to vote, and are allowed to have political opinions. Nobody believes anyone as horrible as you has a boyfriend so you really shouldn’t go there.
Cam
This is the line of the people coming in and defending this guy.
Hey gays, since you want people to tolerate you, you should tolerate rapists, murderers, people who kill gays, people who fund people who kill gays, and basically everybody else in the world who does terrible things.
When you cut though all of the B.S. that is what they are saying “Hey, gays, you think people should tolerate you? Well then that means you can’t say anything against people who want to harm or kill you, because of it.”
It’s a stupid position and it didn’t work when the Mormons tried it during the Prop 8 fight, but apparently the interns that Mr. Weiderpass hired to pepper gay blogs didn’t get that memo.
lauraspencer
@Cam:
Interns?
Are you suggesting that Weiderpass is not only wealthy, but clairvoyant? Myself, onthemark, James Hart and many others have been posting on this site for months. So Weiderpass hired us in the past knowing that this was going to happen in the future?
It is crazy how people find it easier to disagree with posters by dismissing them as “trolls,” “interns” or being old and out of touch. It would be easier just to accept there are people who have different opinions.
onthemark
@lauraspencer:
@Cam:
Ho-o-o-o-old on there. I for one have not said anything here to defend Weiderpass. Far from it. I totally agree with what Cam has written about that.
There is ONE troll here and we all know who it is. Unfortunately this comment thread was hijacked by that lunatic Giancarlo, who I think didn’t even bother to address the Weiderpass/Cruz subject.
Getting too far off topic is IN ITSELF a violation of the Queerty comment policy.
Jonathan26
@lauraspencer: Weiderpass is not clairvoyant. He’s smart enough, though, to deploy a team in a desperate bid to salvage his & Reisner’s utterly shredded reputations. They have been exposed as lifelong Republican operatives who’ve aligned themselves personally, professionally & financially with at least two of the most dangerous, gay bashing politicians in America today. They’ve declared themselves leaders of the gay community while endorsing & funding efforts by Senators Cruz & Johnson to eradicate any progress made in the fight for GLBT equality & to re-brand our fight for basic civil rights as a “gay jihad” threatening the nation. The only thing Reisner & Weiderpass care about is turning back on the GLBT revenue stream. As Andy Tobias, Hal Rubenstein & other genunine leaders of the GLBT community have made clear, the best resolution is for Reisner & Weiderpass, who jointly own Parkview Developers through which they control a majority interest in 80% of the Pines commercial district, to divest themselves of their nominal investment & leave the community. Any qualified investor can take over the mortgage which the lender is likely to welcome given the sh*t show since Reisner & Weiderpass’s now infamous fundraiser for Senator Cruz & the inevitable damage to them as owners & operators of assets catering to a community they have betrayed, lied to, & insulted so egregiously that no measure of contrition or pocket change donation could erase. They have lost all credibility in the gay community and to continue patronizing their businesses is as indefensible & unacceptable as they are.
Cam
@lauraspencer: said…. “Are you suggesting that Weiderpass is not only wealthy, but clairvoyant? Myself, onthemark, James Hart and many others have been posting on this site for months. So Weiderpass hired us in the past knowing that this was going to happen in the future?”
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Actually I was talking about the new, never before seen screenames that jump in, defend him with a ridiculous comment, and head off.
The fact that you seem to have included yourself in the group I was talking about is interesting though.
James Hart
@Giancarlo85: Gia: You may not agree with me, but I’m just as much a Democrat as you are. By the way, you’re really crazy. Do get some psychiatric assistance.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: Whatever. I think I’m going to look into that poster talking about making instant cash. The spambot sounds more exciting than some of you trolls.
I don’t post so much on here. It appears you post more than me. And what were you doing on here today? Don’t you have a life? I was working out in 38 C degree heat (and yes I’ll use celsius, and if you don’t like that… not my problem!).
“Btw I’m quite a bit younger than 60 – not that there’s anything wrong with being 60, you ageist troll – and I do have a boyfriend who often advises me & urges me to GET AWAY FROM THE KEYBOARD. ”
There is absolutely nothing wrong with being 60. One of my favorite co-workers is 64. She’s been working for the company (public utility) for over 30 years and has given me so much useful advice in doing my job more effectively. So stop trying to call me ageist. I’m saying, however, you’re a miserable old man with no life and no boyfriend.
“Obviously you don’t have THAT kind of boyfriend, in the unlikely event you have one at all. Sunday is the big eBay day and Monday is the big shipping day, so I tend to be here more on those days.”
I do have that kind of boyfriend. We tend to watch movies together and just saw the underwhelming Jurassic World (overhyped, but it was alright). Big eBay day huh? Trying to clear out your house from all the crap you have? I didn’t know you were a hoarder! Thanks for clearing that up.
“At any rate, insulting people for (supposedly) being single is the worst kind of ad hominem attack. The last time I checked, single people are allowed to vote, and are allowed to have political opinions. Nobody believes anyone as horrible as you has a boyfriend so you really shouldn’t go there.
You are one nasty human being with a nasty attitude and the way you treat me shows how much of a miserable wretched person you are. And you wish you were younger… that’s why you lash out at me. Oh by the way, up until 5 years ago I was single for several years. I never said anything about single people. I said something, however, about miserable and desperate people like you though.
You are a pathetic person and you have no justification for any of the nonsense you say.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: The only lunatic here is you. You talk about ad hominems, yet you throw insults at me all the time. You are one miserable pathetic hypocrite with no life.
@James Hart: Except I’m not a democrat, you crazy right wing nut. Go back to watching Rush Limbaugh please. You need to get back on your meds.
By the way, democrats are too right wing for my tastes. I’m a real leftist. Not a fake one.
stanhope
@brandon: That’s MISS BITCH thank you. LOL
stanhope
@blackberry finn: get a grip…you’d be the same dumb ass that would tell a Black person to take George Wallace a waffle at the Waffle House LOL Girl you are a disgrace to pussy everywhere.
Ty Halen
Bye Felicia.
onthemark
@Giancarlo85: It’s easily provable by Google search that you post here more than literally any other poster, at much greater length, and almost every single day. And it’s amusing when you try to dispute these facts in your usual SEVERAL HUNDRED WORDS.
@James Hart: I’m going back to my theory that Giancarlo is a paid, right-wing poster!
Cam
@James Hart: said…. “@Giancarlo85: Gia: You may not agree with me, but I’m just as much a Democrat as you are. By the way, you’re really crazy. Do get some psychiatric assistance.”
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I don’t know about Giancarlo’s reasons, but the reason I don’t believe you are a Democrat is because that is all you have been posting. I’m a Democrat but…. And then you would attack the gay community by basically saying we need to embrace gay bashers and bigots.
The Mormons used to play the same game with Prop 8, they would come in here, post “As a gay man…. or As a lesbian, I disagree,
The fact that you feel you need to state a political affiliation and that it makes a difference is what is exposing you as a right wing troll, that and the fact that you are attacking the gay community for not rushing out to hand money over to this guy and Ted Cruz.
Giancarlo85
@onthemark: Nope. I do not. Many people here post a lot more than me. I don’t even post in most of these articles. It’s a given fact that you post more here than me in more articles, and so do some others. You are a lunatic who needs to be committed to a mental hospital.
I’m going to use your own theory. You’re the right winger. You’re most likely a libertarian who used to support Ron Paul (explains your mental imbalances) and now you support Rand Paul. You also think chemtrails exist and that Obama is planning to take over the entire world as part of the Kenyan Communi*st Islami*st So*cia*li*st conspiracy and to brainwash everyone lol.
This is what I think of you… you have many screws loose.
1EqualityUSA
Picture both their faces on the end of a caterpillar body. It’s kind of fun.