With Donald Trump obliterating the GOP field, the afterthought candidates who were on the debate stage Wednesday night don’t enjoy a lot of room to maneuver. They could unveil the most brilliant policy proposals known to man, and none of it would matter.
There’s no way they’re going to compete with Trump, so why even bother?
That seems to be the attitudes of the futile five — Ron “Don’t Say Gay” DeSantis, Nikki Haley, Vivek Ramaswamy, Chris Christie and Tim Scott — all of whom come across as JV players. They bicker over nonsense and are fighting for scraps.
Meow! Meow!
The testiest exchanges last night were between Haley and Ramaswamy, who clearly despise one another. Out of nowhere, Ramaswamy brought up Haley’s daughter, prompting the former U.N. secretary to call him “scum.”
Is it too late for Mean Girls The Musical to add a new number?
Haley speaks for the nation here…
— Gail Helt (@ghelt) November 9, 2023
When Ramaswamy wasn’t invoking Haley’s family or begging Tucker Carlson, Joe Rogan and Elon Musk to moderate the debate (thirsty much?), the unctuous businessman was talking about heels.
That’s right, heels. The biggest topic of the Republican Primary.
Over the last few weeks, long-held speculation about DeSantis’ footwear has reached a fever pitch, with the flailing Florida governor vehemently denying he wears platforms in his cowboy boots.
All video evidence points to the contrary, however.
On Wednesday, “Meatball Ron” struggled to find his footing when walking across the stage during a commercial break.
Obnoxiously online, Ramaswamy referenced the uproar over DeSantis’ alleged lifts when talking about foreign policy.
“Do you want a leader from a different generation who’s going to put this country first, or do you want Dick Cheney in three-inch heels? We’ve got two of them on stage tonight,” he said.
That’s actually…not a bad line! It would be funny if Ramaswamy weren’t so odious.
Speaking of odious, Haley wasn’t content to let that heel reference drop. Our girl wanted a piece of the action, too!
She posted her retort in real time.
“Vivek, I wear heels. They’re not for a fashion statement— they’re for ammunition,” wrote the ex-South Carolina governor.
Huh?!? Is she going to threaten to wear a boot on her head next? (Nope, that’s only DeSantis)…
nikki pls what does this mean
— Kat Abu (@abughazalehkat) November 9, 2023
I'm begging you, please stop using this line. It doesn't make sense.
— Charlotte Clymer 🇺🇦 (@cmclymer) November 9, 2023
Meanwhile, just 12 miles up the road from the debate in Miami, Trump was regaling his supporters with complete nonsense.
abfab
BORING!
So. I will start by congatulating our favorite Nanny of all time! Ms. Fran Drescher!!
She was working in a bridal shop in Flushing, Queens,
Til her boyfriend kicked her out in one of those crushing scenes.
What was she to do, where was she to go
She was out on her fanny.
So over the bridge from Flushing to the Sheffield’s door,
She was there to sell make up but the father saw more,
She had style, she had flair, she was there,
That’s how she became the Nanny.
Who would have guessed that the girl we described
was just exactly what the doctor prescribed?
Now, the father finds her beguiling, watch out C.C.,
And the kids are actually smiling, such joie de vivre
She’s the lady in red when everybody else is wearing tan.
The flashy girl from Flushing, the Nanny named Fran.
Kangol2
Our favorite Nanny just successful won a great new contract for countless SAG-AFTRA actors! Nanny Drescher don’t play!
abfab
She worked it! I am so in love with her, proud of her and want more of her. I thought there was going to be The Nanny on Broadway. She better go thur with it.
I wish someone would produce I Dream Of Jeannie for the stage. Imagine the possibilites! Her Bottle! All that pink smoke! Dr Bellows! And Jeannie’s devilish black-haired sister!
decrans
And the Barbara Eden songbooks you are sure to spout off as opposed to backing up your assertions like an actual person.
abfab
You’re just scum?
abfab
He walks like he has a few dildos stuck up his ass, How embarrassing!
ZzBomb
Joe Biden is so much more of a statesmen than anything slithering around the GQP presidential campaigns.
abfab
They all seem so uptight and dicombobulated.
ShaverC
LOL LOL. Joe Biden routinely mumbles and slurs his words and can’t remember names. He is constantly confused and can’t complete sentences. What a great statesman.
Cam
@ShaverC
LOL! I LOVE the Republican trolls and Fox news trying to deflect from Trump’s dementia by claiming Biden isn’t all there.
If that is true, then it’s even more sad he keeps pulling the rug out from under Republicans every single day.
ShaverC
ZzBomb, I never claimed Biden was a master of anything. He couldn’t make a cheese sandwich without screwing it up.
ZzBomb
Either way, Biden’s legislative accomplishments and judicial appointments prove anything but dementia. LOL
You’re welcome for the infrastructure bill Trump couldn’t even do!
ShaverC
ZzBomb, Trump still did fulfill “many of his key 2016 economic campaign pledges, such as cutting taxes, slashing government regulations and revamping America’s international trade deals.”
The bar you set for a president is extremely low. If he panders to the alphabet mafia, he’s your guy, despite his very real cognitive decline.
ZzBomb
Oh yeah and Trump killed 1 million Americans b/c he couldn’t be bothered to protect America from a once in a century pandemic.
OUCH!
Baron Wiseman
@ZzBomb
Not a great talking point considering more Americans died from COVID under the Biden Administration.
Never the less, I’m sure you took the vaccines that were created under Trump’s tenure.
ZzBomb
@Baron
Remember when Trump said “the COVID numbers are going down” and then more than 1 million Americans died b/c he lied?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers!
Baron Wiseman
@ZzBomb
Statesmen, huh?
A statesmen doesn’t get us into two wars by his own feckless leadership.
A statesmen doesn’t lead us into a world war which we are currently facing.
Have 20 shell companies laundering millions of dollars from China, Russia, Ukraine, Romania and Kazakhstan.
Abandon our border leaving it wide open and vulnerable to terrorists and fentanyl.
Try and jail his main election challenger and leaving the other one vulnerable to assassination.
Destroy our energy independence.
Send tens of billions of dollars to our enemies Iran and Hamas.
Record inflation, 8% mortgage rates, doubling of gas prices and groceries.
Have world leaders canceling meetings at the last minute.
Shower with your young daughter. (Ashley’s diary pages 67-68)
Have American citizens as hostages.
On and on it goes with the “statesmen.”
There is a reason that 73% (CBS News/YouGov) of Americans believe things are going badly in America – a new record high.
ZzBomb
@ Baron
Nothing you listed just now is remotely true. Not in the least. Get a grip on reality.
Baron Wiseman
@ZzBomb
Do you like your Trump COVID shot? How many have you had?
ZzBomb
@ Baron
LOL I love when people like you mention this:
“Record inflation, 8% mortgage rates, doubling of gas prices and groceries.”
It’s so tell me you don’t understand the economy without telling me you don’t understand the economy.
ZzBomb
@ Baron
There is a reason that 73% (CBS News/YouGov) of Americans believe things are going badly in America – a new record high.
Yet Tuesday seems indicate it’s b/c of Republicans people feel that way. Hence why we are winning, and you’re whining.
Bosch
“more Americans died from COVID under the Biden Administration”
Yeah, unvaccinated MAGAs.
decrans
Here’s where ZZdumba$$’s logic begins to fall apart. *Shocking, I know.
He’s talking about presidential polls versus local races. Get this: The presidential race has a smattering of independent candidates. And more Americians (i.e. me) classify themselves as independent than any other point in recent history. How did Jill Stein and Ralph Nader work out for ya, ZZdumba$$? Keep running your fat mouth.
ShaverC
Baron Wiseman, You stated 100% facts and ZzBomb just hid his head in the sand. That’s what they do… Zz, I suggest you look into the points Baron outlined so nicely and read up on them, and not just at MSNBC which is a Democrat propaganda machine. Try reading more independent writers and maybe you’ll start to see the truth.
There was nothing people could do when Covid first hit, but Trump was right when he said that masks don’t work… even the great almighty Fauci admits to that now. As with any new disease it hits the weak and elderly first, then starts to peter down. The figures now show that most “Covid deaths” reported in the early days were people with other underlying conditions. So, literally, if a man went into the hospital for a heart attack, contracted Covid when in the hospital and then dies, he was counted as a covid death, even if the heart attack was more responsible.
Keeping kids at home longer than necessary stunted their education and businesses collapsed and that’s a direct impact from Biden “hide” policy.
decrans
ZZbomb was probably first in line for his Trump shot, Baron Wiseman. The hypocrisy is bottomless. Don’t trust the Trump administration. And then, these same idiots are chomping at the bit to roll up their sleeves with the other side of their mouth.
America is like watching a screwball comedy in real-time.
still_onthemark
Republicans have already lost at least one US Senate race because a few thousand too many of their dumbazz unvaccinated geezer voters died from Covid: see Catherine Cortes Masto (D-Nevada) versus Adam Laxalt in 2022.
abfab
ShaverC continues to make Polish Jokes but inserts BIDEN’S name into the punchline. I love the one about the cheese sandwich. Can you make one?
Kangol2
Baronin just vomits up FoxNews/Breitbart propaganda, ZZ, nothing they write even remotely touches reality!
Diplomat
It seems so trite to argue so much. Biden has the election in the bag. Serial liar Trump who murdered police officers in his insurrection stint, will never rule anything but his fellow autocrats in the rat bin called the R party.
The Rat party is over. Rs will probably never take the presidency again. Their reputation for murder and autocracy has them butchered at the onset. And their abortion misstep has them again scrambling like rats to find a platform. But they can’t find one. Boohoo.
Why sweat over dime store thugs? America won’t have it.
The upcoming election is the Biden/Kennedy ticket. A sure winner.
PS Shaver, trying to be so clever about Trump’s tax cuts. To clarify, Trump’s tax cuts benefited only the rich, his favorite fan club, not the everyday American. Trump’s tax cuts were a total fail.
ShaverC
Diplomat, The tax cuts absolutely benefited the middle class, you lie about that and you lie about the “murder” of “officers”. One officer died by suffering two strokes the day after, and a stroke is caused by a blood clot. Nice try.
abfab
ShaverC. Rotten to the core. You’re just a bad man. Who raised you?
Diplomat
Here Shaver, eat this…
From Google:
“On December 22, 2017, President Donald Trump signed into law the so-called Tax Cuts and Jobs Act (TCJA), a $1.9 trillion tax bill favoring corporations and wealthy Americans. At its heart is a large cut in the corporate tax rate. “Corporations are literally going wild over this,” Trump said upon signing the bill.” Dec 19, 2019
Anyone who died from J6 was murdered by Trump, the mob boss. Don’t try and slice it any other way. You look like a fool.
Kangol2
@Diplomat, Trump’s tax cuts gave $2.2 TRILLION to the billionaire class. Not million, not billion…but trillion! Don’t let Shaver try to con you. Middle class and working class Americans were an afterthought.
From Americans for Tax Fairness, September 27, 2023
“The collective fortune of America’s 748 billionaires topped $5 trillion in September 2023, a near record high, and up an astounding $2.2 trillion (77%) since enactment of the Trump-GOP tax law—a reckless handout so heavily slanted towards the rich that it undoubtedly contributed to billionaires’ eye-popping wealth growth over the past nearly six years. Parts of the Trump-GOP tax law have already expired, or are scheduled to expire at the end of 2025, but Republicans want to make the whole package permanent at an estimated cost of $3.8 trillion—billions of which will undoubtedly flow into billionaires’ already bursting bank accounts.”
Also: “A prior ATF analysis of leaked billionaire tax returns data found that they paid an effective federal income tax rate of just 4.8% over six years. Yet despite the evidence that billionaires and other wealthy elites are not paying their fair share, Republicans are working hard to cut their taxes even more.“
ShaverC
Diplomat, Here’s the headline from an article from The Hill December 4, 2021, “IRS data proves Trump tax cuts benefited middle, working-class Americans most” I find the Hill one of the least biased outlets these days. and then you can do additional research on top of that.
You got your data from CAP (The Center for American Progress) which was founded by John Podesta… a staunch Hilary Clinton supporter and staunch Democrat… so I believe their articles might be extremely biased.
And I have to say firmly NO, USCP officer, Brian Sicknick did not die due to anything that happened to him on Jan 6. His unfortunate death was due to a stroke, due to a blood clot.
Diplomat
Kangol,
Good infill of data.
All insurrectionists: to include Shaver and Baron, are cons. Their cred is worthless.
Cam
All you nee to know about anything Republicans do is ask yourself if it will benefit Russia or Saudi Arabia. If the answer is “Yes”, then Republicans are for it.
No electric cars, keep oil prices high
Stop giving help to Ukraine
Kill our Soy deal with China, helps Russian farmers,
Etc…
Covid Hermit
And don’t forget the ultra rich! Those of us in the peasant class are of no interest to them. If it benefits multi-billionaires, they’re all for it.
abfab
Which is why Sarah Huckabee clings to him………..like all MAGAs, they (still) believe the riches of Donald Trump will cascade over thier bodies by voting for him.
Man About Town
In the lastest episode of points-for-consistency, Ramitswamit also spent much time criticizing and interrogating the moderators rather than actually engage in the debate.
To quote Holly Golightly, Quelle Beast!
abfab
I love that they still call these spectacles debates. They are all violent people, the Republicans. But them in a ring…..no holds barred. No punches pulled. Rip each other to shreads. Pay Per View.
Fahd
DeSaster’s walking in heels cannot be unseen – he might as well be on stilts; what are his long-term plans? How much longer will he keep up this charade? Will he reappear in the 2028 race five inches shorter (2 inch boot heels + 3 inch internatl lifts)?
Christie reportedly had barriatric surgery and now looks like this? The sickness from eating so much as to override the effects of the surgery is very real and debilitating. One has to have a real addiction to food that controls one in order to go through that sickness; not great presidential material, even before mentioning Bridgegate, etc.
Hawley is an amoral careerist.
Sen Tom Scott is an African American Republican who will not reveal the identify of his girlfriend (an invisible friend?)
Vivek Ramaswamy seems like a HUGE fan of the tangerine Palpatine. As Eric’s father, Ramaswamy seems to think that insult comedy is the way to win these debates.
Which decent person in their right mind would ever vote for any of these circus characters? Not me!
abfab
Nikki is extreamly irritating. Scary. A Karen.
abfab
New Jersey has way to many tempting old school diners so how can anyone blame Crispy Cream Chrissy for the constant ballooning. Well, idiots voted for Donald….the blimp with baby hands………so who can say.
Kangol2
Tim Scott unveiled his “girlfriend,” and the chemistry between them was so chilly and fake you expected snow to start falling! When she pulled her hand away after the embrace he looked embarrassed and tucked his hand in his pocket. I just hope whoever’s writing her checks makes sure they’ve got lots of zeroes attached!
abfab
Very cringe worthy…the entire GOP and their supporters are the cringiest. Esp the Gay ones.
abfab
Kitara must know him well. He’s a little queeny if I do say so myself. A manly man!
Baron Wiseman
Tim (not Tom) Scott was on stage with his girlfriend last night at the debate.
still_onthemark
Yes, and it’s amazing how quickly a homophobic, religious Republican can find a “girlfriend” when he REALLY needs one!
abfab
He’s so dumb and quite ugly. Very gummy and very nervous. Weak.
Kangol2
“Girlfriend”…yeah, right, more like “girl” friend. And they didn’t seem to know each other that well!
abfab
Imagine this man slobbering all over you at Denny’s. Isn’t that where he ”dines”?
dbmcvey
I still think Ramaswamy’s whole campaign is performance art.
abfab
How on earth does he expect right wing conservative Republican hicks to vote for him……….with a last name they can’t pronounce with terrorist overtones from a shithole country?
still_onthemark
Wait til they find out he’s a vegetarian!
abfab
Vegan of just vegetarian? They don’t know the distinction between the two.
Kangol2
Nikki Haley is the only one of these clowns to have even a shred of sense and not be utterly repellent, which isn’t saying much and definitely isn’t enough for me to consider ever voting for her. Christie was a failed governor who left office in disgrace; DeFascist is a lying, racist anti-LGBTQ fanatic; Ramaswarmy is just a brat and a phony; and Tim Scott, fake girlfriend and all, comes off as a wannabe lunatic who has no chance of getting the nomination, just like Asa Hutchinson, Doug Burgum, the chair in the corner, and whatever else desperate GQP billionaires throw in the race to try and stop Don the Con. I’m no fan of Haley but she towers over these MAGA goons like Mount Washington over the New Hampshire countryside!
abfab
So in other words, a great group of people. Truely, the great unwashed. The Republican Party, people!
LumpyPillows
I didn’t watch the debate. I didn’t even read the article. I’m in a spot right now where I can’t even focus on learning about these lightweights. Nothing presidential about any of them. And then there is Donny…the biggest threat to the planet since Hitler.
Baron Wiseman
@LumpyPillows
Yes, we were constantly told how Trump is going to crash the economy and get us into a world war. It was the furthest thing from the truth. Except now we actually do have a president that has crashed the economy and put us on the brink of World War III.
Kangol2
Don the Con did crash the economy. Badly. The US lost millions of jobs and was in economic freefall in 2020 heading into 2021. More specifically, the US economy lost a net of 2.9 million jobs, and the unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%.
Also, Don the Con’s military head had to contact China to let the Chinese know the US would not launch a nuclear war against them. Anyways, Don “Drink Bleach” the Con waged his war against Americans for four years, leaving hundreds of thousands of Americans dead from Covid-19. He then waged a failed coup to overturn the 2020 election, which he lost soundly. He was a disaster!
Kangol2
Under Biden, Baronin thinks the president “crashed the economy,” which I guess is the case in FoxNews land.
In reality, however, Under Biden the US has created more than 11 million jobs, recovering the entire net total lost under Don the Con, including 800,000 manufacturing jobs. The unemployment rate is at a 50-year low, and a record number of small businesses have started since Biden became president. There currently are more than 9.6 million open jobs vs. all the ones filled, and in some places, like New York City, there are now more jobs than there were before the pandemic. And there’s a lot more to say, but them’s the facts.
abfab
Let’s wait while the Baroness von Dickwadd copies and pastes from his many ultra -right wing nationalist Proad Girls websites…………..something long, something never credited because she is too ashamed and embarased. (error alert Freddd)
Baron Wiseman
@Kangol2
Do you EVER tell the truth? Ever?
President Trump, as you know, did not crash the economy, the Communist Chinese Party along with their release of COVID crushed our economy. Just like most every countries economy was crushed by COVID. Before COVID hit, Trump had created one of our country’s best economies in the modern era.
And what has Biden done to address the hundreds of thousands of American deaths? NOTHING. NADA.
BIDEN CREATING JOBS!!! Are you kidding me!?! First, you state Trump lost all these jobs (which is because of COVID) and then Biden “created” all these jobs when people went back to work (because of COVID).
Really, how disingenuous can you be? Unbelievable.
dbmcvey
Notice the lack of self-awareness on the part of Oxymoron.
Kangol2
@Baronin, you also don’t read very well.
Go SLOWLY: “Under Biden the US has created more than 11 million jobs, recovering the entire net total lost under Don the Con, including 800,000 manufacturing jobs.”
THE US, Baronin. Under Biden. Not Biden created the jobs. Not Don the Con lost the jobs. US businesses and the US government. But facts are facts–you blame China, Covid-19, etc. but it was the gross mismanagement of the US government’s response that led to our economic crash under Don the Con (you can’t erase it, though I know you want to!), that led to the massive death toll (under Don the Con, beginning in 2020–and he lied to the American people repeatedly, despite telling Bob Woodward he knew it was a deadly virus!), and the social and political chaos he created, that nearly sank the country! Even a right-winger like Peter Thiel can see this. I know you are wedded to Don the Con, but reality is trying to issue both of you a wake-up call!
abfab
Baron. Do not ask others about TRUTH. Ever! You’ve lost that right.
Baron Wiseman
Mortgage Rates 2017 – 2023
Trump:
Jan. 19, 2017: 4.09%
Jan. 21, 2021: 2.77%
CHANGE of -32%
Biden:
Jan. 21, 2021: 2.77%
Sept. 7, 2023: 7.12%
CHANGE of +157%
source: freddiemac.com
dbmcvey
Yeah. Banks are bad and predatory.
dbmcvey
But also, it’s shocking that mortgages were down when the economy was faltering because of a pandemic. That’s so odd.
Kangol2
Baronin, you do realize the mortgage rate increase is a result of the FEDERAL RESERVE, right? The Fed Chair, who is independent, has repeatedly raised rates to stem the post-Trump crash inflation the US has experienced. As you probably realize, inflation has decreased year over year from 2022-2023, but rates are still high.
Nevertheless, since you’re incapable of understanding economics, I’ll write it again: “In reality, however, Under Biden the US has created more than 11 million jobs, recovering the entire net total lost under Don the Con, including 800,000 manufacturing jobs. The unemployment rate is at a 50-year low, and a record number of small businesses have started since Biden became president.There currently are more than 9.6 million open jobs vs. all the ones filled, and in some places, like New York City, there are now more jobs than there were before the pandemic. And there’s a lot more to say, but them’s the facts.”
abfab
Baron. CHILD—————-SIT DOWN.
Louis
Here in the UK, members of Parliament are not permitted to call others “scum” (even if they think it).
Angela Rayner (Labour) referred to Conservative ministers as scum and got in trouble for it.
I’m all for debate, but name calling is (in my opinion) beneath anyone running for a political position.
still_onthemark
The US Congress still has rules like that. Not sure if “scum” in particular would be verboten. But a party campaign debate is not a congressional debate, and three of the five candidates in this debate have never served in Congress (nothing similar would happen in the UK).
On the other hand, in both our legal systems “truth is a defense against libel” so Vivek is SCUM!
abfab
It’s not a very lady-like word, darling. Think about your bitchy vocabulary before you take to the stage. For next time………..if there is one.