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Schwarzenegger Is Just Fine Letting a Federal Court Decide Prop 8


Following up his attorney general’s response, California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger submitted his own answer to the Prop 8 challenge filed by attorneys Ted Olson and David Boies. And guess what? He’s not trying to pretend the ballot measure is in any way constitutional.

Instead, he says the federal court challenge to the State Supreme Court’s ruling “presents important constitutional questions that require and warrant judicial determination.”

Yes, while the governor didn’t elaborate on his position — or declare whether he stands by two prior vetos that killed same-sex marriage legislation — the move has California’s chief executive wanting same-sex marriage decided not by legislators, but by judges! And fast!

Of course, Schwarzenegger has said before that while he thinks marriage is for one man and one woman, he doesn’t much care if same-sex marriage became legal. And his advice to gay marriage supporters? “They should never give up. They should be on it and on it until they get it done.”

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  • SM

    Too bad the gay community blew Proposition 8 off. They hurt their own equality movement more than anyone else.

    Then they look for someone else to blame.

  • Vanhattan

    @SM: Too bad Arnold vetoed the same sex marriage bills that passed California congress. So he can be fairly criticized for his part in the anti equality anti gay mess CA finds itself in.

    I do agree that the prop 8 campaign was a mess. Sort of don’t think that will happen again after the leaders of that campaign have been savaged by the G & L community.

    Yes there is plenty of blame to go around here so share the love.

  • Steve

    @SM: The present result of prop 8 is, a clear and unambiguous equal-protection violation is now before the federal courts. It is a very narrow case, concerning very clear violations of due process and equal protection, and is being argued by two of the strongest constitutional attorneys in the federal bar. If the federal court just follows the constitution, that case will result in equal marriage rights nation-wide.

    You don’t get judgments until you go to court. Other minorities have gone to federal court, and got their rights affirmed, decades ago. Gay people are long overdue.

    Equal protection is not a “liberal” value. It is also a traditional “conservative” value. The present case is so clear and obvious, it could easily yeild a unanimous decision.

  • PJ

    DOMA should be going up against the U.S. Supreme Court as a human rights violation.

    The Govenator has wisely decided to be impartial to this issue. Since he stands neither with gay rights advocacy nor against it, he is not posing an obstacle to it and will accept whatever the Federal Court determines. I think he has come a long way. Give the guy some credit.

  • Justin

    Anyone consider this is him playing the political game of an impending election next year? Gavin Newsom is going to be fierce competition for him if he doesnt begin playing the game.

  • edgyguy1426

    He ineligible to run again due to term limits so that’s moot.

  • edgyguy1426

    @SM: ok so here you are everyday, a straight man on the gay site to blame us for Prop 8 and to stop the Obama bashing. OK FINE. WE GOT YOUR POINT.
    But, the passage of Prop 8 has galvanized the national gay community, which otherwise might not have happened.

    See the glass.

    Now see it half full instead of half empty.

  • galefan2004

    @SM: WE FUCKING GET IT! It was only you and your straight friends that gave a shit about Prop 8 while all us homos stayed out all night, did drugs, and had numerous sexual encounters DLB style. If only all the gays and lesbians worked as hard as you. Saying it every chance you get doesn’t make it any more or less true to you than it already is, and the rest of us 1) don’t believe you and 2) don’t fucking care what you think.

  • galefan2004

    @Steve: In order for what you said to be true you have to take into account two things. 1) The US Supreme Court has to hear the case. 2) The US Supreme Court has to believe that the gay and lesbian people are a recognizable minority under the US Constitution. If either of those are false than all this is a waste of judicial dollars, or it could have the backlash affect of the US Supreme Court going on record that Gays and Lesbians are not recognized as a separate group by the constitution and therefore do not deserve the right to marriage. When you keep pushing indiscriminately without considering what can happen when there is a push back, you can screw up many things. This case was a CA case that involved the CA people, and it should have been settled at the state level.

  • galefan2004

    @Justin: With as screwed up as CA currently is both financially and politically, you would either have to have a real moron running in opposition of The Governator or be a state filled with insanity to keep Arnold.

  • SM


    Uh…I’m not a straight man. See you don’t know much with your ASSumptions now. If this site is going to bash a President I support I have every right to defend it.

    I have supported your equality causes more than gays have…I have every right to read this BS and how people respond to Obama and others to make a decision on if I will continue to use my time, money and energy on YOUR ISSUES because you all sure did ask for it!

  • Hannah

    Atta boy, Schwarzenegger. You keep being limp wristed on gay rights. California could’ve been the first state to have marriage equality through the legislature, but you let that title go to Vermont.

  • SM


    Hey ass….considering I have e-mails constantly asking for money to support your CAUSES I would chill out because you all make the delete key cool…

    Maybe I should start showing all my straight friends this is how you say thanks.


  • petted

    @SM: Have you tried anger management? Cause seriously – ranting day after day at everyone makes you into a caricature of yourself whoever you are. Side note might want to take a chance to read what you write before you hit submit “If this site is going to bash a President I support I have every right to defend it.” cause your not saying exactly what you mean to there. No doubt your response will come forthwith to correct my dreadful assumptions with your sophomoric wit – sadly I say this only partly in jest.

  • petted

    @petted: No reply? My my – too bad your not working on your temper as your still blithely insulting anyone and everyone you run across willy nilly.

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