Ted Cruz wins the award for stupidest response to the Supreme Court’s latest anti-LGBTQ+ ruling
By Graham Gremore · 65 comments· Updated on January 26, 2024
Just when we didn’t think Ted Cruz could possibly get any dumber, he issued a statement in response to today’s Supreme Court’s ruling that grants private businesses the right to deny goods and services to LGBTQ+ people.
Colorado web designer Lorie Smith argued before the court that the Bible says she can’t provide her services to a same-sex couple looking to create a wedding-related website, even though no same-sex couple has ever asked her to.
(We’re pretty sure the Bible doesn’t say anything about same-sex marriage, and we’re 100% sure it doesn’t say anything about websites, but we digress.)
Though Colorado state law prohibits discrimination against LGBTQ+ people, Smith said the non-discrimination statute violates her right to free speech. The conservative court agreed in a 6 to 3 vote down ideological lines.
In the statement, which nobody asked for BTW, Cancun Cruz tried spinning the whole thing as a win for people of all faiths–Muslims, Jews, you name it!
“Before today’s ruling, the state of Colorado wanted to compel the speech of Christian artists and business owners who declined to use their God-given talents to celebrate views that run contrary to what their faith teaches,” Cruz said. “This law wasn’t just a threat to Christians either.”
He continued, “Should a Muslim artist be compelled by the government to draw the image of Muhammed? Should Jewish artists be forced to create art that is antisemitic? No, absolutely not. The Supreme Court’s decision in this case is a victory for the First Amendment not just in Colorado, but all across the United States.”
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RELEASE: My statement on the Supreme Court’s Decision in 303 Creative v. Elenis
Last we checked, nobody in the government was demanding that Muslim artists draw images of Muhammed. And, come to think of it, we haven’t heard of very many Jewish artists be forced to create antisemitic art either.
Christians using their faith to justify discriminating against LGBTQ+ people is definitely a thing that happens, however. And, unfortunately, it will continue to happen thanks to today’s SCOTUS ruling.
Here’s how folx have been responding to Cruz’s statement…
I’m going to bookmark this tweet because you will be the first one screaming when a business denies service to MAGA supporters.
“She was never penalized for rejecting a same-sex couple — and it’s unclear if she ever did — but sued on hypothetical grounds.” So now we can sue on things that never happened because they might happen? Hmmmm.
Wait I thought that discrimination was bad? Or is that only when it can affect straight white people like affirmative action? Or is discrimination based in faith a good thing?
In the dissent, Justice Sonia Sotomayer noted that today’s ruling comes amid a “backlash to the movement for liberty and equality for gender and sexual minorities.”
“New forms of inclusion have been met with reactionary exclusion. This is heartbreaking. Sadly, it is also familiar,” she wrote. “When the civil rights and women’s rights movements sought equality in public life, some public establishments refused. Some even claimed, based on sincere religious beliefs, constitutional rights to discriminate. The brave Justices who once sat on this Court decisively rejected those claims.”
The Supreme Court ruled Friday that it’s effectively legal for private business to refuse service to LGBTQ+ people.
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Not a problem for me. I refuse to do business with anyone who doesn’t like who I am. This goes on everywhere, everyday. It’s not right, but it’s just best to let them shoot their own foot off. Many people aren’t “pretty” enough to be allowed entry into some night clubs and nobody is stopping that. If this was essential services being denied to people, I would stand up against it, but take your cake order down the street to somebody who appreciates your money.
Well yay for you! Since it does not affect you specifically, then who cares? Right? I mean why should you be bothered with the fact that as a gay person you are treated like a second class citizen and not afforded the whole American experience. Why should you care that someone’s religion trumps your existence? Yay for you!
cc423, YES, YAH for me!! Yah that I am mentally stable enough to realize which fights are worth fighting and stable enough that I don’t have to neither have nor be the biggest dick in the room. There are much bigger and better fights to be fought, IMHO, than the fight to force some cake maker to bake me a cake. I’d much rather fight for someone’s medical needs than someone’s cake maker. You are obviously a Karen that is delusional enough to believe that somebody actually does get to experience “the whole American experience”. Get over yourself and learn to be happy for what little life does give you, then go out and earn the rest like most of us guys over 60 have done.
That’s the beauty of a free-market economy. You can vote with your dollars. And I feel like this post is indicative of Glenn Greenwald’s dissection. It involved the evolution of the LGBTQ+ movement from fairness under the guise of gay marriage to self-centered retribution of political adversaries (see: punishing parents for not trans-ing their children with mandated state directives.) Go buy your wedding cake at a business that wants your money. It would be a better experience for all. Why does self-centered ideological bickering trump upsetting the quality of life for all actors involved?
No one is punishing parents for, as you put it (and in a way that, once again, throws doubts on your claim to have been trans) “not transing” their children. On the contrary, states like Florida and Texas are trying to punish parents for trying to get their children care.
Nope. You’re wrong again, Dave Matthews. That legislation is in the batting cages with the support of Scott Weiner right now. That’s what radical California Democrats are pushing down the pike. Google and read up on the news occurring in your home state. Put down the mimosa at drag brunch and pay attention to what’s happening in your backyard.
Just to clarify, the California bill pointed at misleadingly by decrans is AB957, which would require courts to consider IN CUSTODY BATTLES whether or not each parent recognizes the gender identity of their child “as part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child.” It’s very narrow, and it’s limited to custody cases. No one is being “punished.” Stop making stuff up.
See Jared, this is why you should research your claims before coming on here and just spreading lies that you read on conservative, anti-gay propaganda sites.
I didn’t say anything misleading. The parents would be punished in custody battles. What Glenn Greenwood stated is correct. The LGBTQ movement has shifted from equality to retributive justice (much like the 1980s Falwell conservatives).
I actually have arguments and evidence. At a certain point, your weak ideology crumbles, and Queerty neoliberals resort to schoolyard insults. I back up my assertions with real-world evidence. And that’s the difference, sweetie. Dave Matthews whinges and whines all over these threads. It’s spectacular to watch.
NO. As soon as you settle for being treated less then, you become a target for far worse treatment. Look at how the gays were rounded up in Nazi Germany under the guise of protecting the community… it started with laws like this that allow YOU to be treated like a second class citizen with less rights than those who want to punish you for your existence. If you think this is just about a wedding cake or website then you are an ignorant fool. Wake the hell up.
You seriously think Nazis are rounding people up? Liberals have said this for years. George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Pat Buchanan. At a certain point in my adulthood, it was like the boy who cried wolf. People stop believing your grasp of reality.
Jared, if it weren’t so evil I could almost admire your deep commitment to your delusion. You say something, it’s shown to be wrong, but you just keep on believing your own lies. It’s the sign of a true zealot.
Thank you for your feedback. I sometimes fell like Meghan McCain penetrating through left-wing groupthink talking points on a daily basis. Since The View became unwatchable, this is my replacement.
she looks like she ate a lonely fag hag. and yes fat shaming is not acceptable. It’s a shame she’s fat – maybe she would have less hatred for others if she wasn’t fat and miserable
No one had asked this woman to design a website, and she didn’t design websites for a living. If the Supreme Court hadn’t been the activist court they are this would have been dismissed for lack of standing.
The fear now is, what other services can we be denied? Today it’s a wedding cake or a website, tomorrow it’s medication and healthcare. This court is completely corrupt.
Exactly. Let’s start vetting clients / customers and if they’re gop/right wingers DISCRIMINATE against them. Turn the tables. Claim they’re offending our 1st Amendment rights !!! They’d be so full of faux outrage cry baby tactics it would be actually funny to see them squirm, Turn about IS fair play !!
the man who supposedly emailed her about making a website for his gay wedding was interviewed today and as it turns out he never made such an inquiry and he is straight! Married for fifteen years to a woman. So either someone sent a fake email with his name or someone is lying! Turns out nobody contacted this man over the six years this case has consumed. No fact checking – nothing- and it went all the way to the Supreme Court!
Hey frap, there are conservatives who are trying to pass laws that healthcare providers do not have to serve LGBT+ people because of “deeply held religious beliefs” so roll your eyes all you want but don’t be surpised when you’re turned away in an emergency room.
Personally I think all Republican “christians” should be refused any service. Base it off their hatred being against your religion. It would be interesting to see what the rightwing bullshit Supremes would come up with then.
This is the worst Supreme Court the United States has ever had. I´m not sure the nation can survive another few decades of this. I hope the backlash comes sooner than later, and, really, Democrats if there ever was a time to work on a plan to enlarge the court that time is now.
Also, I noticed no one had posted this yet, so…
I do not like that Senator Cruz
I do not like his far right views
I do not like his stupid chin
I do not like his smarmy grin
I do not like him with a beard
I do not like him freshly sheared
I do not like what he just said
I do not like his boxy head
I do not like him wearing glasses
I do not like him greeting kids in classes
I do not like his stupid suits
I do not like his cowboy boots
I do not like him when he sneezes
I do not like him eating cheeses
I do not like him in the leaves
I do not like him when he feeds
I do not like him by a wall
I do not like his tattoo at all
I do not like him in a room
I do not like him in Cancun
I do not like him playing ball
I do not like his face at all
From John Oliver
For people who say vote with your dollars, the reality is that not everyone lives in a place (community, area, etc.) where there are multiple options for every kind of business. Moreover, once you open the door to one kind of discrimination like this, what’s to stop other kinds, all justified by “religion,” or some other category?
We’ve seen the horrific effects of this in the pre-Civil Rights USA (and even after that), in Nazi Germany, etc. Also, when it comes to allow people to discriminate based on religion, we’re only a few steps away from the Mullahs’ Iran and the Taliban’s Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia, etc. The right-wing justices have opened a Pandora’s Box of legalized discrimination and they are making quite clear they don’t give a d@mn about the consequences.
Here’s where the LGBTQ movement failed. They sold the idea that gender and sexuality exist on a spectrum. That weakens the argument that this demographic should be a protected class. And I’m Exhibit A. Started off gay, a failed gender transition, bisexual and an attempt at evolving into heterosexual.
Here’s where Jared is lying again. He keeps bringing himself up as an example, but he’s just an example of failure. He can’t hold a job, he lies nonstop, we can’t take anything he writes seriously.
Jared, no one denies that a small number of people detransition, but they should not be used as a bludgeon against all trans people. You using your alleged history as some kind of wall against other people transitioning is just gaslighting. There are many, many more people who transitioned and are happy, and even say it saved their lives.
Also, Jared, there are a lot of people who detransition without becoming anti-trans, anti-lgbtq+ zealots. There are people who detransition and just go on with their lives without trying to prevent everyone else from living their lives as well.
Your fictitious life story is not in any way an indication that the LGBT movement has failed. And nobody believes your bull. The number of people who de-transition is vanishingly small (as is the number of Trans folks is small), and most simply were not provided the gender affirming care (counselling, psychotherapy, and so on) that should have preceded surgical transition.
Again, nobody believes you…the assumption, based on your posts is that you are a lying right wing troll.
Perhaps you should use it as a guide to make transgender health care workable. Instead of lambasting my experience, as an advocate, you should be inquiring how to make it better. And if that happened, the Republicans wouldn’t have so much ammo to win these fights. But the SCOTUS case is coming round the bend. And I have held a job with progressive canvassing companies for the past year. I’m moving to DeSantis because he’s paying more than the libs. What does that say to you about your party, Dave Matthews? That’s the party of the working-class at $15 an hour in California.
The number of de-transitioners is growing as evidenced by the spike in users on Reddit’s detrans thread. And according to the NY Post, California doesn’t even have basic insurance codes in place for de-transitioner medical services. What does that say about the LGBTQ+ movement that they haven’t even bothered to put that into place?
And it has failed. Most average Americans have whiplash at two conflicting messages broadcasted from this community. You want these people on board, but they’ve received diametrically opposed ideas. How is that supposed to work?
Hey Jared, you’re the one trying to deny trans people care. Why don’t you use your experience to make things better rather than trying to shut it down for everyone.
What does it say when a demisexual non-binary TikToker who uses fae pronouns posts a meandering video about being misgendered? Is it possible some of these people in the LGBTQ+ community are doing it for the performative aspect? Dylan Mulvaney? A person who parades around with the same ‘Price is Right” theatrics in both male and ‘female form.’ For the 63 percent of Americans who believe gender is fixed at birth, it looks suspiciously like the ersatz performance art you accuse of. This is another learning moment for you both. You’re both learning what the vast majority of Americans think of invented identities under the LGBTQ umbrella today.
Not to mention the fact that Dylan Mulvaney parades like a little girl. That is performative. You can’t transition back to girlhood. Maybe y’all should start addressing the performance art embedded in your very own movement.
What does it say that a grown a$$ adult womanfaces as Audrey Hepburn 24/7? The same person was awarded handsomely with millions of dollars. What average adult female is prancing around like ‘Breakfast at Tiffanys?’ Performative gender identity art, ladies and gentlemen. Maybe y’all should try staring deeply into the mirror before throwing out ‘attention-seeking’ labels. There’s an entire cottage industry built up around fake identities in the LGBTQ movement. Audrey Hepburn is dead, gang. A wig ain’t bringing her back.
And once again, Dave Matthews, let me re-state this tidbit. It’s almost as if you tune out my rebuttals! For people like me, there aren’t any insurance codes for de-transitioners in blue states. Is the LGBTQ+ community on board with investigating this and getting to the bottom of it? Of course not! If health care is a human right as you say, that would entail YOU to get off YOUR rear and start rectifying the two as opposed to spouting jingostic memes you read on Facebook. You say that healthcare is a human right, correct? Again, there’s a disconnect in your brain that needs to be addressed. It’s not a one-way street here. It goes both ways when you trot out phrases like that.
Jared, you are supporting politicians who want to prevent trans people from getting any treatments. They will not stop at children (who are not getting the treatments you keep claiming they are).
You continually lie about what we are doing in California and even when you’re corrected you double down.
You continually use lies from right wing anti-gay propaganda sites and even when you’re corrected there you stick to the disproven claims.
Making trans people pariahs and illegal won’t help a single one of them get a job or healthcare.
It might get you a job as an anti-trans activist but it doesn’t seem to have happened so far.
I support organizations such as the LGBT Center in Los Angeles and others that offer real healthcare and services. What do you do?
Aw, Dave Matthews! Good for you for doing the bare minimum as a privileged white person! Should I break you off a piece of Meghan McCain’s cookie? From Reddit: “They’re also pretty packed in their schedules, so if you want to get gender therapy specifically, you might have to wait quite a bit of time.” And I do have an issue with their informed consent model. I realize your viewpoint is allowing people with severe mental illness to disfigure themselves. Yay, trans rights! That’s a large loophole in informed consent. Republicans want to make things safer for mentally ill adults WHO CANNOT CONSENT with informed consent models.
More LA LGBT Center horror stories from The Internet. Don’t worry, gang. Dave Matthews donates $20 to the Center every Christmas! He wants to help the downtrodden trans.
“When a friend had reached out for help/resources regarding MPox, he called and the operator was reluctant to help. He was told that since he was not an existing patient, they could not help him at all. How is an organization like this going to try and be a leader in a crisis and hold virtual town halls and launch landing pages dedicated to the matter, but deny basic information or resources for someone asking for help?”
“This is probably the worst place you can go if you’re lgbtq. They clearly don’t give two shits about anyone but making a profit I’ve had bad experience after bad experience and I would never recommend to come here. I scheduled an appointment for today over a month ago and I came in on time just for them to tell me that the doctor called in today and they can’t take any patients. How does that make sense?? They can’t accommodate me in anyway and they rescheduled me for another month in advance and there was “nothing they could do.”
“was sent the The Gay and Lesbian center by my primary care provider to help with ADAPT.
the number that was provided (on their website) for the mens health department, the person who answered the phone to assist unfortunately did not know much about the services, I was put on 3 long holds to get answers. they also didn’t know CD4 count was. which was disappointing considering this is a place that provides HIV health care.”
This is probably the worst place you can go if you’re lgbtq. They clearly don’t give two shits about anyone but making a profit I’ve had bad experience after bad experience and I would never recommend to come here. I scheduled an appointment for today over a month ago and I came in on time just for them to tell me that the doctor called in today and they can’t take any patients. How does that make sense?? They can’t accommodate me in anyway and they rescheduled me for another month in advance and there was “nothing they could do.”
And lastly, Dave Matthews, I have an interview scheduled with a prominent gay journalist next week to talk about the horrorshow I encountered in California’s “exemplary” trans health care system. (Two job interviews with the DeSantis campaign next week, too.) Another jingostic phrase y’all love to trot out: Trans Lives Matter. It certainly didn’t matter much with the Trans Latina Coalition placed me in a house with violent ex-cons and I escaped within an inch of my life. So no, these little LGBTQ organizations have their own host of problems. But doling out $20 every Christmas ain’t solving sh!t in your home state, Dave. That’s some of the work you could be doing as opposed to sitting on your a$$.
Here’s a few more Yelp reviews about the LA LGBT Center for Dave Matthews
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But these last few years the LGBTQ Center’s original mission statement of helping all and being kind to all and embracing all with love – has long changed to a disorganized and “fake friendliness” appearing business structure with people working various costumer service windows, expressing a well rehearsed attitude that feels uninviting and sometimes even rejective.Throughout 2022 there has not been one month where my doctors prescriptions have been filled correctly, neither on time nor sufficient… it’s impossible to call the pharmacy within a timely manner (one has to endure a 7minute tirade of information before being able to leave a message) – the hold period for a person to response is 45min average. Do not leave a voicemail; you will never receive a call back. Appointments are being cancelled with ease and rescheduled to an extend that a most needed checkup might take several month to utilize.”
“Absolutely the worst service anywhere. Arrogant people who are just there to collect a check and who don’t follow through on anything. The place needs a MASSIVE overhaul and mass firings.”
“f I could give zero stars I would. This place is horrible.as a trans women DO NOT COME HERE. I called and ask if they were accepting new patients they said yes so I switched over to them as my primary physician. at the beginning of the month I call to schedule an appointment and they say they are booked for 4 months out. HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO GET MY MEDICATION? MY HORMONES? MY T BLOCKERS? They shouldn’t be accepting new patients if you are on a 4 month wait… now I have to find another provider and switch which won’t be affective until the beginning of NEXT month and go a month with my medicine because of them. Avoid this place especially if you are already on hormones because you’ll have to go without it for months. And the receptionist don’t care. ”
“Honestly do your research before making this a primary care doctor. They never answer the phone, the don’t follow up with you, if you need something done your best bet is to just show up but even then you’ll be going in circles. It takes months to see a doctor even for a medical emergency, I highly suggest you look into other care facilities.”
“The clinic is a disorganized and understaffed disaster. You’ll wait for hours on hold, and if you request a call back they’ll just never do it. They’ve been unable to find my most basic medical records, and have actually entered medical info I’ve given them incorrectly. They’ve scheduled 2 appts with me and had no idea what the appointments were for when I called in, and I’ve never seen my primary physician (although it’s been changed 3 times in the last 4 months). The Follow My Health portal was a great idea, except it has no useful information and they don’t respond to messages there (going on more than a month with no responses).”
I’m adding one last thing before preparing for my interview with the gay conservative journalist. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, “How’s that hopey-changey Medi-Cal system workin’ out for ya, Dave Matthews?” California is TEEMING with systemic healthcare problems that haven’t magically been solved by Gavin Newsom. And again, a child’s brain cannot conceptualize a systemic bureaucracy failure. So no, I firmly still believe that we shouldn’t give children and teenagers puberty blockers and hormones. They can’t purchase alcohol. They can’t drive cars. They can’t smoke. Some of them aren’t legal to enter the military yet. This is what 63 percent of Americans believe. That’s why the demographics have shifted with this issue. Again, I am Exhibit A with my medical gender transition and subsequent de-transition. It’s life, baby.
Please all you so called “Christians” like Cruz and pandering to born again fundamentalist Southern Baptist, Pentacostal types……… Do not call yourself Christians as if you represent the religion….. you only represent a denomination or political agenda. We have many other Christians celebrating and loving and embracing the Rainbow. My church flies the trans and gay pride flags . We call all to the Eucharist at Mass. You cannot compare a Baptist to a progressive Episcopalian when it comes to social justice. Even Roman Catholic parishes differ.
It was a ruling misinterpreting the First Amendment. If you believe that “without it [the First Amendment] we, the gay community, would be no where,” you truly are mistaken about the past and present, let alone the Supreme Court. Please read some LGBTQ history as soon as you can. There are audiobooks and great documentaries if the books are too hard to get through.
It was a case about artistic expression and the state compelling her to speak a certain viewpoint. How Orwellian that you believe someone should be compelled by Big Government to acquiesce to certain viewpoints.
The UK is squalid, but America is bat sh1t crazy. At least our highest courts are never driven by political allegiance, and DEFINITELY not religious. The USA is no better than the Muslim states it despises in terms of racism, misogyny and homophobia.
As an American, I find it hard to believe that anyone with the slightest education could put up a solid argument against what you have stated in respect to our highest court. However, I would like to try to believe that the majority of the American people don’t hold these racist, misogynistic, and homophobic views.
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Openminded
Not a problem for me. I refuse to do business with anyone who doesn’t like who I am. This goes on everywhere, everyday. It’s not right, but it’s just best to let them shoot their own foot off. Many people aren’t “pretty” enough to be allowed entry into some night clubs and nobody is stopping that. If this was essential services being denied to people, I would stand up against it, but take your cake order down the street to somebody who appreciates your money.
cc423
Well yay for you! Since it does not affect you specifically, then who cares? Right? I mean why should you be bothered with the fact that as a gay person you are treated like a second class citizen and not afforded the whole American experience. Why should you care that someone’s religion trumps your existence? Yay for you!
Openminded
cc423, YES, YAH for me!! Yah that I am mentally stable enough to realize which fights are worth fighting and stable enough that I don’t have to neither have nor be the biggest dick in the room. There are much bigger and better fights to be fought, IMHO, than the fight to force some cake maker to bake me a cake. I’d much rather fight for someone’s medical needs than someone’s cake maker. You are obviously a Karen that is delusional enough to believe that somebody actually does get to experience “the whole American experience”. Get over yourself and learn to be happy for what little life does give you, then go out and earn the rest like most of us guys over 60 have done.
dbmcvey
But Shaver says he’s an ally.
decrans
That’s the beauty of a free-market economy. You can vote with your dollars. And I feel like this post is indicative of Glenn Greenwald’s dissection. It involved the evolution of the LGBTQ+ movement from fairness under the guise of gay marriage to self-centered retribution of political adversaries (see: punishing parents for not trans-ing their children with mandated state directives.) Go buy your wedding cake at a business that wants your money. It would be a better experience for all. Why does self-centered ideological bickering trump upsetting the quality of life for all actors involved?
dbmcvey
No one is punishing parents for, as you put it (and in a way that, once again, throws doubts on your claim to have been trans) “not transing” their children. On the contrary, states like Florida and Texas are trying to punish parents for trying to get their children care.
You’re trying, and failing, to gaslight us again.
decrans
Nope. You’re wrong again, Dave Matthews. That legislation is in the batting cages with the support of Scott Weiner right now. That’s what radical California Democrats are pushing down the pike. Google and read up on the news occurring in your home state. Put down the mimosa at drag brunch and pay attention to what’s happening in your backyard.
GentlemanCaller
Just to clarify, the California bill pointed at misleadingly by decrans is AB957, which would require courts to consider IN CUSTODY BATTLES whether or not each parent recognizes the gender identity of their child “as part of the health, safety, and welfare of the child.” It’s very narrow, and it’s limited to custody cases. No one is being “punished.” Stop making stuff up.
dbmcvey
See Jared, this is why you should research your claims before coming on here and just spreading lies that you read on conservative, anti-gay propaganda sites.
decrans
I didn’t say anything misleading. The parents would be punished in custody battles. What Glenn Greenwood stated is correct. The LGBTQ movement has shifted from equality to retributive justice (much like the 1980s Falwell conservatives).
decrans
And lastly, Glenn Greenwald is gay.
decrans
And before Dave Matthews says anything, my autocorrect typed Greenwood instead of Greenwald.
dbmcvey
No, Jared, you didn’t say anything misleading. YOU LIED.
And you continue to lie. You’re a liar.
dbmcvey
Also, Jarod,
Greenwald being gay doesn’t mean anything. He’s a shill for rightwing causes. He’s lost any credibility he used to have. He’s as bad as Dave Rubin.
Gay people can lie too, you should know that, assuming you really are gay and not just a liar.
decrans
That’s all you have again. Name-calling. Very Trump-ian.
dbmcvey
Jared, you accusing people of name calling? You do see the irony right? In addition to being a liar you’re a hypocrite.
Bosch
“That’s all you have again. Name-calling. Very Trump-ian.”
Oh that’s funny. As if people can’t read your messages. Hypocrite.
decrans
I actually have arguments and evidence. At a certain point, your weak ideology crumbles, and Queerty neoliberals resort to schoolyard insults. I back up my assertions with real-world evidence. And that’s the difference, sweetie. Dave Matthews whinges and whines all over these threads. It’s spectacular to watch.
cc423
NO. As soon as you settle for being treated less then, you become a target for far worse treatment. Look at how the gays were rounded up in Nazi Germany under the guise of protecting the community… it started with laws like this that allow YOU to be treated like a second class citizen with less rights than those who want to punish you for your existence. If you think this is just about a wedding cake or website then you are an ignorant fool. Wake the hell up.
decrans
You seriously think Nazis are rounding people up? Liberals have said this for years. George W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, Pat Buchanan. At a certain point in my adulthood, it was like the boy who cried wolf. People stop believing your grasp of reality.
frapachino
@decrans thumbs up to your post!
dbmcvey
Jared, if it weren’t so evil I could almost admire your deep commitment to your delusion. You say something, it’s shown to be wrong, but you just keep on believing your own lies. It’s the sign of a true zealot.
decrans
Thank you for your feedback. I sometimes fell like Meghan McCain penetrating through left-wing groupthink talking points on a daily basis. Since The View became unwatchable, this is my replacement.
mildredspierce
Hmmm….she looks like a lonely fag hag to me.
Fname Optional Lname
she looks like she ate a lonely fag hag. and yes fat shaming is not acceptable. It’s a shame she’s fat – maybe she would have less hatred for others if she wasn’t fat and miserable
dbmcvey
No one had asked this woman to design a website, and she didn’t design websites for a living. If the Supreme Court hadn’t been the activist court they are this would have been dismissed for lack of standing.
The fear now is, what other services can we be denied? Today it’s a wedding cake or a website, tomorrow it’s medication and healthcare. This court is completely corrupt.
Invader7
Exactly. Let’s start vetting clients / customers and if they’re gop/right wingers DISCRIMINATE against them. Turn the tables. Claim they’re offending our 1st Amendment rights !!! They’d be so full of faux outrage cry baby tactics it would be actually funny to see them squirm, Turn about IS fair play !!
Fname Optional Lname
the man who supposedly emailed her about making a website for his gay wedding was interviewed today and as it turns out he never made such an inquiry and he is straight! Married for fifteen years to a woman. So either someone sent a fake email with his name or someone is lying! Turns out nobody contacted this man over the six years this case has consumed. No fact checking – nothing- and it went all the way to the Supreme Court!
frapachino
“Today it’s a wedding cake or a website, tomorrow it’s medication and healthcare. This court is completely corrupt.” hard eye roll here!
dbmcvey
Hey frap, there are conservatives who are trying to pass laws that healthcare providers do not have to serve LGBT+ people because of “deeply held religious beliefs” so roll your eyes all you want but don’t be surpised when you’re turned away in an emergency room.
Mack
Personally I think all Republican “christians” should be refused any service. Base it off their hatred being against your religion. It would be interesting to see what the rightwing bullshit Supremes would come up with then.
Invader7
Let’s start with all gop Supreme Court justices. They’d be screaming discrimination at the top of lungs. Cry baby wussies…!!
dbmcvey
If enough of us did it, why not. Remember all the whining when the restaurant ask Sarah Sanders to leave?
Fahd
This is the worst Supreme Court the United States has ever had. I´m not sure the nation can survive another few decades of this. I hope the backlash comes sooner than later, and, really, Democrats if there ever was a time to work on a plan to enlarge the court that time is now.
Also, I noticed no one had posted this yet, so…
I do not like that Senator Cruz
I do not like his far right views
I do not like his stupid chin
I do not like his smarmy grin
I do not like him with a beard
I do not like him freshly sheared
I do not like what he just said
I do not like his boxy head
I do not like him wearing glasses
I do not like him greeting kids in classes
I do not like his stupid suits
I do not like his cowboy boots
I do not like him when he sneezes
I do not like him eating cheeses
I do not like him in the leaves
I do not like him when he feeds
I do not like him by a wall
I do not like his tattoo at all
I do not like him in a room
I do not like him in Cancun
I do not like him playing ball
I do not like his face at all
From John Oliver
whereshouldistart
ANY religious bigot can go before the SC and use their “beliefs” to demand that they be allowed to discriminate against the LGTBQ+ population.
They should also have to prove they follow EVERYTHING in that Bible.
No goods/services to divorced couples, or people who are having sex but aren’t married, etc.
Now try to sell your goods/services after you’ve eliminated 90% of the population.
Openminded
Good point!
Kangol2
For people who say vote with your dollars, the reality is that not everyone lives in a place (community, area, etc.) where there are multiple options for every kind of business. Moreover, once you open the door to one kind of discrimination like this, what’s to stop other kinds, all justified by “religion,” or some other category?
We’ve seen the horrific effects of this in the pre-Civil Rights USA (and even after that), in Nazi Germany, etc. Also, when it comes to allow people to discriminate based on religion, we’re only a few steps away from the Mullahs’ Iran and the Taliban’s Afghanistan, or Saudi Arabia, etc. The right-wing justices have opened a Pandora’s Box of legalized discrimination and they are making quite clear they don’t give a d@mn about the consequences.
decrans
Here’s where the LGBTQ movement failed. They sold the idea that gender and sexuality exist on a spectrum. That weakens the argument that this demographic should be a protected class. And I’m Exhibit A. Started off gay, a failed gender transition, bisexual and an attempt at evolving into heterosexual.
dbmcvey
Here’s where Jared is lying again. He keeps bringing himself up as an example, but he’s just an example of failure. He can’t hold a job, he lies nonstop, we can’t take anything he writes seriously.
dbmcvey
Jared, no one denies that a small number of people detransition, but they should not be used as a bludgeon against all trans people. You using your alleged history as some kind of wall against other people transitioning is just gaslighting. There are many, many more people who transitioned and are happy, and even say it saved their lives.
dbmcvey
Also, Jared, there are a lot of people who detransition without becoming anti-trans, anti-lgbtq+ zealots. There are people who detransition and just go on with their lives without trying to prevent everyone else from living their lives as well.
Den
“Here’s where the LGBTQ movement failed.”
Your fictitious life story is not in any way an indication that the LGBT movement has failed. And nobody believes your bull. The number of people who de-transition is vanishingly small (as is the number of Trans folks is small), and most simply were not provided the gender affirming care (counselling, psychotherapy, and so on) that should have preceded surgical transition.
Again, nobody believes you…the assumption, based on your posts is that you are a lying right wing troll.
decrans
Perhaps you should use it as a guide to make transgender health care workable. Instead of lambasting my experience, as an advocate, you should be inquiring how to make it better. And if that happened, the Republicans wouldn’t have so much ammo to win these fights. But the SCOTUS case is coming round the bend. And I have held a job with progressive canvassing companies for the past year. I’m moving to DeSantis because he’s paying more than the libs. What does that say to you about your party, Dave Matthews? That’s the party of the working-class at $15 an hour in California.
decrans
The number of de-transitioners is growing as evidenced by the spike in users on Reddit’s detrans thread. And according to the NY Post, California doesn’t even have basic insurance codes in place for de-transitioner medical services. What does that say about the LGBTQ+ movement that they haven’t even bothered to put that into place?
decrans
And it has failed. Most average Americans have whiplash at two conflicting messages broadcasted from this community. You want these people on board, but they’ve received diametrically opposed ideas. How is that supposed to work?
Bosch
“And I’m Exhibit A. Started off gay, a failed gender transition, bisexual and an attempt at evolving into heterosexual.”
All this proves is that you’re confused about your identity, and you use this for attention.
decrans
Like most trans people. And the larger gay movement.
Bosch
“And the larger gay movement.”
Gay and trans people are more authentically themselves than someone with a gender identity crisis who is “evolving to heterosexuality”.
dbmcvey
Hey Jared, you’re the one trying to deny trans people care. Why don’t you use your experience to make things better rather than trying to shut it down for everyone.
decrans
What does it say when a demisexual non-binary TikToker who uses fae pronouns posts a meandering video about being misgendered? Is it possible some of these people in the LGBTQ+ community are doing it for the performative aspect? Dylan Mulvaney? A person who parades around with the same ‘Price is Right” theatrics in both male and ‘female form.’ For the 63 percent of Americans who believe gender is fixed at birth, it looks suspiciously like the ersatz performance art you accuse of. This is another learning moment for you both. You’re both learning what the vast majority of Americans think of invented identities under the LGBTQ umbrella today.
decrans
Not to mention the fact that Dylan Mulvaney parades like a little girl. That is performative. You can’t transition back to girlhood. Maybe y’all should start addressing the performance art embedded in your very own movement.
decrans
What does it say that a grown a$$ adult womanfaces as Audrey Hepburn 24/7? The same person was awarded handsomely with millions of dollars. What average adult female is prancing around like ‘Breakfast at Tiffanys?’ Performative gender identity art, ladies and gentlemen. Maybe y’all should try staring deeply into the mirror before throwing out ‘attention-seeking’ labels. There’s an entire cottage industry built up around fake identities in the LGBTQ movement. Audrey Hepburn is dead, gang. A wig ain’t bringing her back.
decrans
And once again, Dave Matthews, let me re-state this tidbit. It’s almost as if you tune out my rebuttals! For people like me, there aren’t any insurance codes for de-transitioners in blue states. Is the LGBTQ+ community on board with investigating this and getting to the bottom of it? Of course not! If health care is a human right as you say, that would entail YOU to get off YOUR rear and start rectifying the two as opposed to spouting jingostic memes you read on Facebook. You say that healthcare is a human right, correct? Again, there’s a disconnect in your brain that needs to be addressed. It’s not a one-way street here. It goes both ways when you trot out phrases like that.
dbmcvey
Jared, you are supporting politicians who want to prevent trans people from getting any treatments. They will not stop at children (who are not getting the treatments you keep claiming they are).
You continually lie about what we are doing in California and even when you’re corrected you double down.
You continually use lies from right wing anti-gay propaganda sites and even when you’re corrected there you stick to the disproven claims.
Making trans people pariahs and illegal won’t help a single one of them get a job or healthcare.
It might get you a job as an anti-trans activist but it doesn’t seem to have happened so far.
I support organizations such as the LGBT Center in Los Angeles and others that offer real healthcare and services. What do you do?
decrans
Aw, Dave Matthews! Good for you for doing the bare minimum as a privileged white person! Should I break you off a piece of Meghan McCain’s cookie? From Reddit: “They’re also pretty packed in their schedules, so if you want to get gender therapy specifically, you might have to wait quite a bit of time.” And I do have an issue with their informed consent model. I realize your viewpoint is allowing people with severe mental illness to disfigure themselves. Yay, trans rights! That’s a large loophole in informed consent. Republicans want to make things safer for mentally ill adults WHO CANNOT CONSENT with informed consent models.
decrans
More LA LGBT Center horror stories from The Internet. Don’t worry, gang. Dave Matthews donates $20 to the Center every Christmas! He wants to help the downtrodden trans.
“When a friend had reached out for help/resources regarding MPox, he called and the operator was reluctant to help. He was told that since he was not an existing patient, they could not help him at all. How is an organization like this going to try and be a leader in a crisis and hold virtual town halls and launch landing pages dedicated to the matter, but deny basic information or resources for someone asking for help?”
“This is probably the worst place you can go if you’re lgbtq. They clearly don’t give two shits about anyone but making a profit I’ve had bad experience after bad experience and I would never recommend to come here. I scheduled an appointment for today over a month ago and I came in on time just for them to tell me that the doctor called in today and they can’t take any patients. How does that make sense?? They can’t accommodate me in anyway and they rescheduled me for another month in advance and there was “nothing they could do.”
“was sent the The Gay and Lesbian center by my primary care provider to help with ADAPT.
the number that was provided (on their website) for the mens health department, the person who answered the phone to assist unfortunately did not know much about the services, I was put on 3 long holds to get answers. they also didn’t know CD4 count was. which was disappointing considering this is a place that provides HIV health care.”
This is probably the worst place you can go if you’re lgbtq. They clearly don’t give two shits about anyone but making a profit I’ve had bad experience after bad experience and I would never recommend to come here. I scheduled an appointment for today over a month ago and I came in on time just for them to tell me that the doctor called in today and they can’t take any patients. How does that make sense?? They can’t accommodate me in anyway and they rescheduled me for another month in advance and there was “nothing they could do.”
decrans
And lastly, Dave Matthews, I have an interview scheduled with a prominent gay journalist next week to talk about the horrorshow I encountered in California’s “exemplary” trans health care system. (Two job interviews with the DeSantis campaign next week, too.) Another jingostic phrase y’all love to trot out: Trans Lives Matter. It certainly didn’t matter much with the Trans Latina Coalition placed me in a house with violent ex-cons and I escaped within an inch of my life. So no, these little LGBTQ organizations have their own host of problems. But doling out $20 every Christmas ain’t solving sh!t in your home state, Dave. That’s some of the work you could be doing as opposed to sitting on your a$$.
decrans
Here’s a few more Yelp reviews about the LA LGBT Center for Dave Matthews
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But these last few years the LGBTQ Center’s original mission statement of helping all and being kind to all and embracing all with love – has long changed to a disorganized and “fake friendliness” appearing business structure with people working various costumer service windows, expressing a well rehearsed attitude that feels uninviting and sometimes even rejective.Throughout 2022 there has not been one month where my doctors prescriptions have been filled correctly, neither on time nor sufficient… it’s impossible to call the pharmacy within a timely manner (one has to endure a 7minute tirade of information before being able to leave a message) – the hold period for a person to response is 45min average. Do not leave a voicemail; you will never receive a call back. Appointments are being cancelled with ease and rescheduled to an extend that a most needed checkup might take several month to utilize.”
“Absolutely the worst service anywhere. Arrogant people who are just there to collect a check and who don’t follow through on anything. The place needs a MASSIVE overhaul and mass firings.”
“f I could give zero stars I would. This place is horrible.as a trans women DO NOT COME HERE. I called and ask if they were accepting new patients they said yes so I switched over to them as my primary physician. at the beginning of the month I call to schedule an appointment and they say they are booked for 4 months out. HOW AM I SUPPOSE TO GET MY MEDICATION? MY HORMONES? MY T BLOCKERS? They shouldn’t be accepting new patients if you are on a 4 month wait… now I have to find another provider and switch which won’t be affective until the beginning of NEXT month and go a month with my medicine because of them. Avoid this place especially if you are already on hormones because you’ll have to go without it for months. And the receptionist don’t care. ”
“Honestly do your research before making this a primary care doctor. They never answer the phone, the don’t follow up with you, if you need something done your best bet is to just show up but even then you’ll be going in circles. It takes months to see a doctor even for a medical emergency, I highly suggest you look into other care facilities.”
“The clinic is a disorganized and understaffed disaster. You’ll wait for hours on hold, and if you request a call back they’ll just never do it. They’ve been unable to find my most basic medical records, and have actually entered medical info I’ve given them incorrectly. They’ve scheduled 2 appts with me and had no idea what the appointments were for when I called in, and I’ve never seen my primary physician (although it’s been changed 3 times in the last 4 months). The Follow My Health portal was a great idea, except it has no useful information and they don’t respond to messages there (going on more than a month with no responses).”
decrans
I’m adding one last thing before preparing for my interview with the gay conservative journalist. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, “How’s that hopey-changey Medi-Cal system workin’ out for ya, Dave Matthews?” California is TEEMING with systemic healthcare problems that haven’t magically been solved by Gavin Newsom. And again, a child’s brain cannot conceptualize a systemic bureaucracy failure. So no, I firmly still believe that we shouldn’t give children and teenagers puberty blockers and hormones. They can’t purchase alcohol. They can’t drive cars. They can’t smoke. Some of them aren’t legal to enter the military yet. This is what 63 percent of Americans believe. That’s why the demographics have shifted with this issue. Again, I am Exhibit A with my medical gender transition and subsequent de-transition. It’s life, baby.
Winsocki
Please all you so called “Christians” like Cruz and pandering to born again fundamentalist Southern Baptist, Pentacostal types……… Do not call yourself Christians as if you represent the religion….. you only represent a denomination or political agenda. We have many other Christians celebrating and loving and embracing the Rainbow. My church flies the trans and gay pride flags . We call all to the Eucharist at Mass. You cannot compare a Baptist to a progressive Episcopalian when it comes to social justice. Even Roman Catholic parishes differ.
frapachino
It was a ruling holding up the first amendment. Without it we, the gay community, would be no where.
Kangol2
It was a ruling misinterpreting the First Amendment. If you believe that “without it [the First Amendment] we, the gay community, would be no where,” you truly are mistaken about the past and present, let alone the Supreme Court. Please read some LGBTQ history as soon as you can. There are audiobooks and great documentaries if the books are too hard to get through.
decrans
It was a case about artistic expression and the state compelling her to speak a certain viewpoint. How Orwellian that you believe someone should be compelled by Big Government to acquiesce to certain viewpoints.
gothvixen
The UK is squalid, but America is bat sh1t crazy. At least our highest courts are never driven by political allegiance, and DEFINITELY not religious. The USA is no better than the Muslim states it despises in terms of racism, misogyny and homophobia.
Davidflys
As an American, I find it hard to believe that anyone with the slightest education could put up a solid argument against what you have stated in respect to our highest court. However, I would like to try to believe that the majority of the American people don’t hold these racist, misogynistic, and homophobic views.