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‘Gay Republican’ Is Not an Oxymoron. Wait. Right?

Gay Republicans are adorable! So are their coming out stories, sitting their parents down to tell them they … voted for Bush. Now that we’ve got two supposedly “leading” gay GOP groups (Log Cabin Republicans, GOPride), these folks no longer have to hide in the shadows. Come out, come out wherever you’re barred. Because while we accept you, we need you to explain to “those ignorant types” how you get off on identifying with a party that continues to actively discriminate against your kind.

The one argument we agree with: At the very least, gay Republicans force both parties to compete for our vote. And there’s nothing wrong with competition. Otherwise, we’re left with this by default.

By:           editor editor
On:           Jul 23, 2009
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  • 82 Comments
    • galefan2004
      galefan2004

      My guess is they like to be a big gay fish in a small gay pond instead of a small gay fish in a big gay pond.

      On the flip side, if they can actually get Republican votes for gay rights then they are very important to the cause.

      If they would just back up and let Megan McCain run the party then the gay Republican wouldn’t be such an insane concept.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 11:56 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      Why don’t you all just form your own party.

      I hear LGBT people say all the time the only reason they vote Democratic is for LGBT rights.

      NO OFFENSE…BUT IF THAT IS YOUR ATTITUDE DON”T BITCH LIKE BABIES WHEN THE AGENDA IS NOT.

      1. LGBT
      2. LGBT
      3. LGBT
      4. Everyone else
      5. Environment

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      My only problem with it NOW is this.

      Look, I don’t think many people would argue that government needs to take more fiscal responsibility. Controll their spending, be smart etc…

      HOWEVER the current republican party seems to be more focused on hot button social issues (Anti-Gay, Anti-Abortion, social controlling,) etc… Is not what the party used to be. If the party changes and goes back to worrying about fiscal issues I think it would be more attractive to gay people, but how can they claim that after Bush blew out the budget and spending earmarks from republicans skyrocketed while he was president?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:28 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @Cam:

      Do some reasearch…the Republicans have NEVER been fiscally responsible compared to the Democrats.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:31 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM:

      See, thats your problem, we ask for ONE thing “To be treated as equal humans under the law” and then we get people like you accusing us of Whinning like babies. That is because at your core you are anti gay, you don’t think you are, but if you REALLY REALLY accepted the fact that your brother was gay and that he should be treated like ahuman you would NEVER accuse him or us of being babies when we bitch that we can’t, for instance, prevent our partners relatives coming in and taking him off life support because our relationship isn’t recognized, stealing our house because we can’t leave prpoerty to each other as relatives, having foster kids that have been with a gay couple for years being taken away and given to a straight couple because in some states we can’t adopt, etc…

      So again, your little jabs here only prove that you haven’t yet dealt with that gay brother of yours. I can tell you that just because you went to a few pride parades that doesn’t excuse your condescending attitude towards the entire community. Additionally, if you HAD a hetrosexual life you most likely wouldn’t be on here, a gay blog posting every 5 min.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Dabq
      Dabq

      @SM: That is the biggest myth of all about the GOP and the easily duped that believe they are less government and spending when not one shred of proof says its true, I just wish there could be a viable third party for those like me who are registered Independents, the fastest growing group of voters in this country.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM

      @Cam:

      No…You see everyday I take the time to put a postcard in the mail to the White House asking Obama for your civil rights. EVERY DAY. It costs just a few cents to mail a post card and he gets one from me each day the mail goes out and will until my brother has civil rights.

      If the millions of LGBT who wanted rights could DO THAT and the WHITE HOUSE was getting millions of letters EVER DAY …people would take you seriously.

      I WORK HARDER FOR MY BROTHERS CIVIL RIGHTS THAN 99% of YOU

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM: You said “Do some reasearch…the Republicans have NEVER been fiscally responsible compared to the Democrats.”
      ____________________________________________________

      Arguing with you is like trying to tell a fart not to smell bad, but I will give it a go.

      Sweety, that balanced budget under Clinton? He was forced to compromise because the republican congress was passing legislation forcing deficiet reduction, he was forced to sign Welfare reform becuase of them which cut the spending down even more,. Additonally, the Congressional takeover by republicans was made possible in part by their promise (Contract with America) to balance the budget. You don’t really think that they won all those seats by attacking gays do you? No, that stupidity came later thanks to Karl Rove.

      So love them or hate them traditionally they tended as a party to run more on fiscal/crime/military issues than the democrats who ran more on societal/environmental issues.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Miss Understood
      Miss Understood

      “George Bush doesn’t define me as a Republican”

      Yeah, you say that now but I’ll bet you voted for him fuckface.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:37 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM: You said “No…You see everyday I take the time to put a postcard in the mail to the White House asking Obama for your civil rights. EVERY DAY. It costs just a few cents to mail a post card and he gets one from me each day the mail goes out and will until my brother has civil rights.

      If the millions of LGBT who wanted rights could DO THAT and the WHITE HOUSE was getting millions of letters EVER DAY …people would take you seriously.

      I WORK HARDER FOR MY BROTHERS CIVIL RIGHTS THAN 99% of YOU”
      __________________________________________________________

      See, once again, it’s all about you isn’t it? I bet you are just SO MUCH FUN at cocktail parties telling everybody about all the wonderful things you do.

      And listen here, have you ever fought off a group of townies attacking you while your boyfriend was bleeding down his face because they saw him grab your hand? Have you ever had to defend your relationship to a committee at work becuase they didn’t really know how to judge whether or not a gay relationship could be proven committed before offering insurance? Have you ever had a Mormon friend get cut off from his entire family because of his being gay? All of this, yet we can laugh, have fun, and donate time and money to advance our rights.

      And yet you sit here, with your little post cards and claim that not only have you done more than 99% of us, but then you go on to call us babies etc…? Sweeties, us comming out to our co-workers took more guts and does more for the cuase then a years worth of your postcards. Thanks for the few sense, but if it comes with your attitude I’d rather have you on the other side irritating them.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @Miss Understood: Sooooooo True~!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Cam:

      I’ve never been to a LGBT high dollar fundraiser cocktail PARTY for LGBT rights you arrogant no nothing idiot.

      See….YOU KNOW NOTHING

      Jul 23, 2009 at 12:55 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM: you said “I’ve never been to a LGBT high dollar fundraiser cocktail PARTY for LGBT rights you arrogant no nothing idiot.

      See….YOU KNOW NOTHING”
      _____________________________________________________________

      I never said that you did, my statement was “See, once again, it’s all about you isn’t it? I bet you are just SO MUCH FUN at cocktail parties telling everybody about all the wonderful things you do.”

      My statement was pointing out that all you ever do is trupet every little thing you do to try to gain approval from people, i.e. you don’t really give a shit about gay rights, but you think that it makes you look good. The phrase, “You must be so much fun at cocktail parties.” is mocking you as somebody that can’t hold a normal conversation, who any time you have a chance will turn the conversation into a lecture about what is wrong with other people or into a monologue about how wonderful you are.

      You may want to read something twice before posting here. By the way, when your brother comes over do you tell him how wonderful you are for opening the door to him?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:01 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Cam:

      You are an idiot. I do not scream every little thing I do for gay rights. I DONT HAVE TO DO A FUCKING THING AT ALL.

      If my brother dose not get his rights faster…it will not be because of Obama….it will be because of ASSHOLE LOSERS WHO ARE MEAN, CRUEL, FAKE, SELFISH, ARROGANT, LIKE YOU!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:06 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @Cam:

      Here is a FACT CAM.

      Reality SUCKS…but here is a BIG DOSE OF REALITY.

      Obama is not causiing you not to have your civil rights yet.

      LGBT people do not have civil rights in this country because they CANNOT get their act together and WORK FOR THEM. Civil rights are EARNED. There are MILLIONS of LGBT in this country and the White House should be getting MILLIONS of letters a DAY. Maybe then people would take you seriously! EVERYONE OF YOU!!!

      LGBT people are the reason you do not have full equality!!!!!!!!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:13 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM: you said “You are an idiot. I do not scream every little thing I do for gay rights. I DONT HAVE TO DO A FUCKING THING AT ALL.

      If my brother dose not get his rights faster…it will not be because of Obama….it will be because of ASSHOLE LOSERS WHO ARE MEAN, CRUEL, FAKE, SELFISH, ARROGANT, LIKE YOU!”
      ______________________________________________________________

      You’re exactly right, me disagreeing with you on here is MUCH more powerful than being the president of the united states. I don’t know why I never saw it before.

      You hear that gays? If The White House and Congress do not move foreward on our rights, do NOT blame them, it is my fault for dissagreeing with SM on here. So you all have my apology for that.

      Looking back it really was silly of anybody to think that the President and Congress had any say at all in these matters.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @Cam: The Republican campaign strategy has been all about the Culture War issues since the 80s.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • ggreen
      ggreen

      “The Republican party; where the insane have an equal place at the table and much more clout than the sane.”

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:23 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @SM: Civil Rights are earned? Oh right, only for minorities. Straight white guys just get theirs at birth.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • adamblast
      adamblast

      The republican agenda is so egregious in my mind that it’s hard to celebrate *anyone’s* political activism from that corner.

      Still, it is a good thing to have folks pushing for gay rights from wherever they fall in the political spectrum. To the extent I’m glad republicans exist at all, I’m glad gay republicans exist.

      So I will give them my tolerance. Just I can “tolerate” religions that preach being gay is wrong–so long as they are not working to oppress us socially and politically as well. But how often is that the case?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Peter
      Peter

      Civil rights are not something that is earned. Civil rights are guaranteed in the Constitution of the United States of America. We do not have them because a majority of americans voted that “they” “think?” that we should not have them. They, for the most part, are religious bigots.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      So many insults going back and fourth as the Obus heads directly for us to run us over!

      SM- I hope your post cards work!

      My post cards have not.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @GrrrlRomeo: You said “@Cam: The Republican campaign strategy has been all about the Culture War issues since the 80s.”

      _________________________

      Agreed, Trust me, I’m not defending their platform. My comment was along the lines of “If they actually were what they claimed to be it would be different.”

      Right now, being gay and supporting them, when being against gays seems to be about 70% of their campaigning platform is incomprehensible to me!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @GrrrlRomeo:

      African Americans, Women have all fought and earned civil rights in this country. There was a time when women could not even VOTE.

      If LGBT had their act together, they would have stood behind the President and PUSHED the Matthew Shepard Act through the House and Congress. It should be DONE by now. Obama put the weight of his Administration behind it months ago and you all let them get lazy.

      You all would be standing behind the President on the biggest issue in years! HEALTHCARE that willl help many LGBT Americans and give you leverage on your issues.

      The system in America is not perfect but it is all we have and they we you are act towards Obama and your supporters is A FUCKING JOKE.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:30 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      It doesn’t matter that there are gay Republican voters because the overwhelming majority of elected Republican politicians do not vote in favor of gay rights.

      We can’t bring ENDA or repealing DADT or DOMA up for vote because Republican filibuster is likely and we can’t get 100% of Democratic votes for the 60 needed to defeat a filibuster. So, because we can only get 85% of the Democratic Senators…it’s the Democrats fault and not, oh, the 90% of Republican Senators that are anti-gay.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @GrrrlRomeo:

      Are you writing letters DAILY?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @GrrrlRomeo:

      SM’s heterosexual. She hasn’t a clue.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @SM: I know history, and I certainly know about Women’s History.

      My point is that while Civil Rights are certainly worth fighting for, that you believe you must earn them rather than believe they are in alienable right is the reason LGBTs have been apathetic.

      I don’t know what this “You all” crap is…I was pushing Obama way back when he picked Rick Warren for the Invocation.

      It doesn’t seem to me like you pay attention at all to what LGBT activists do.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @GrrrlRomeo:

      Ahh…the Rick Warren hate…even though he was UP FRONT ABOUT IT and NONE OF YOU CARED WHEN HE WAS AT HIS CHURCH 2 MONTHS BEFORE THE ELECTION!

      I’ve stood up for LGBT rights for years. I’ve also followed Obama and can read through the NEWS spin.

      I do know LGBT activits LOSE A LOT OF BATTLES they could be winning! I saw it right here in OC as I was dodging bottles being thrown from trucks on November 3 so don’t preach at me!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @TANK: Ah well, that explains SM trying to tell a gay woman about Women’s Lib. LOL Ugh. Heterosexual privilege.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @GrrrlRomeo:

      By the way, LGBT activists in OC PRAISED Rick Warren as a man who would come to the table and talk to LGBT people about their issues depsite their differences of opinion…up until he was invited to the inauguration.

      You all just want someone to blame.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • prissysissy
      prissysissy

      Aah .. the usual bitch fest going on here. The usual suspects are all here. :-)
      SM – yelling and calling people names does not help get your point across. But then, your behavior is appropriate considering the venue.

      Anyways, most of the regulars here are GOPers, so asking them to step out of the closet is redundant.
      Btw, those who claim GOP believes in fiscal discipline, consider this: Dubya presided over the largest expansion of the US government since the New Deal. And created a the largest-ever deficit ~ $9.3T.
      But don’t let facts get in the way of your arguments.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:57 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Yeah, heterosexual privilege is splashed all over every post she makes. She doesn’t talk intelligently or knowledgeably about gay rights activism or activists, and blames gay people for institutional oppression that they suffer. And then when you call her ignorant ass out on it, she talks about her aids infected brother…to the tune of “black people love me”… Meanwhile, she’d defend obama even if he were to wake up next to a dead child prostitute. This person is fun to slap around, though–because it’s crazy.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @SM:

      NOw that seems like a lie. LGBT “activists” praised rick warren? LMAO! Of course they did. Now you’re just lying.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 1:59 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Uh….I live in the OC and they have. Besides LGBT in California voted for a CLINTON in the primaries and the Clintons were guests at Saddelback as speakers LONG BEFORE OBAMA!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @SM: The main thing you need to learn is that the group responsible for fixing inequality is the group that created the inequality in the first place.

      We are not the cause of our own oppression. Women are not the cause of their own oppression. African-Americans are not the cause of their own oppression. LGBTs are not the cause of their own oppression.

      Sexism is a problem that men need to fix. Racism is a problem that whites need to fix. Homophobia and Straight Supremacy is a problem heterosexual people need to fix.

      So, what you need to do is give up your heterosexual privilege, and that starts by YOU stop telling US what WE need to do. And you just go do what YOU need to do.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:03 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • prissysissy
      prissysissy

      @TANK: Melissa Etheridge did come to his defense. A simple online search will get you the information. You need to check your facts before accusing others of lying.
      This should not be construed as me coming to the defense of any other commentator here. Let the cat fight continue – this is fun!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:07 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @prissysissy: To be honest though, I don’t really consider Melissa Etheridge and activist. She’s a musician that thinks it’s okay to try to represent the gay community without first consulting with the gay community. An activist wouldn’t just start speaking without checking the pulse of the community.

      Rachel Maddow however doesn’t call herself an activist and was right on the money about Rick Warren. But, maybe that’s because she’s been an activist.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @prissysissy:

      Right, and when is melissa etheridge (in what possible universe) a gay rights activist? I don’t need to check my facts. She’s a fucking entertainer…LOL! Get a fucking clue.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Monday, June 16, 2008
      Gay advocacy group thankful for Saddleback Church meeting
      ‘The Saddleback staff was very friendly, welcoming and very attentive,’ one attendee says.
      By ALEJANDRA MOLINA
      THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
      Comments 16| Recommend 3

      LAKE FOREST – The conversation dealt with transgendered individuals, homosexuality, and theology.

      Representatives of the gay community today shared their “coming out” stories and discussed religious attitudes toward homosexuality with Saddleback Church staff.

      “I feel the foundation is being built for other dialogue between Saddleback and the gay community,” said Richard Finch, a Lake Forest resident who participated in the session.

      One person talked about being transgender and Christian, attendees said. Another individual talked about being in the brink of suicide because of his childhood church’s views on homosexuality.

      Pastor Rick Warren and his wife were unable to attend. It’s part of an effort to initiate dialogue with mega-church congregations across the nation. Members of the project — The American Family Outing — have now visited six such congregations including Saddleback, which was their last stop in an effort that began in May.

      Warren — who founded Saddleback Church — has called the fight against AIDS one of the church’s signature issues. In an e-mail, he described marriage as a “binding covenant between a man and a woman. The meaning should not be distorted to signify any other kind of relationship.”

      Finch, 38, who was banished from his church after coming out with his homosexuality 15 years ago, said he was grateful for the opportunity to meet with church leaders on the issue.

      “The Saddleback staff was very friendly, welcoming and very attentive to letting each person share their story of coming out and reconciling their faiths,” said Finch, who grew up with the Pentecostal church. “Even though we have our theological differences, I appreciate them being open to discourse.”

      Larry Ross, a spokesman for Saddleback Church, declined to discuss the meeting in detail.

      “Because it was set up as a private meeting, we need to honor that commitment,” Ross said.

      Jeff Lutes, executive director of Soulforce — a gay rights advocacy group that organized the project — said the issue of homosexuality has divided the American faith community.

      “All of these churches have lots of gay and lesbian members who are there,” Lutes said. “Some are deeply in the closet and the church is really missing out on the gifts that they can offer the church. You can’t offer all of your talents if you’re pretending to be something you’re not.”

      Attendees said the issue of gay marriage was not a major topic of discussion.

      Robert Goodman, a Los Angeles resident who has a husband and a six-year-old son, spoke about being on the brink of suicide.

      “I didn’t want (church members) to keep going forward not knowing the impact that their position has,” Goodman said.

      “I think our desire was to really engage in a theological discussion on the issue of homosexuality,” Goodman added. “We a have a theological position on that and they have one… our desire was to discuss our differences with them but they were unwilling to do so.”

      Overall, Goodman said they were successful in creating a dialogue with the church.

      “They seemed willing to continue to speak with us and be in dialogue with us,” he said. “I feel good that we accomplished that much.”

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:11 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @prissysissy:

      Was roy cohn a gay rights activist, too? What about celebrities that just happen to be gay like melissa etheridge? Jodie Foster is no more a gay rights activist than melissa ehteridge, only she didn’t support rick warren…so I guess that means she’s smarter.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:12 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @SM:

      And that’s like saying that fred phelps is representative of christian america.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Friday, June 13, 2008
      Gays seek dialogue with Saddleback Church
      Pastor calls AIDS a signature issue for his congregation.
      By ALEJANDRA MOLINA
      THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
      Comments 76| Recommend 7

      LAKE FOREST – When Richard Finch, 38, was banished from his church after coming out with his homosexuality 15 years ago, he somewhat lost faith in the God he believed in for so many years.

      “When you grow up in the church and you’re ingrained in that culture, to have that all of a sudden ripped away from you… you become kind of a nomad,” said Finch, a Lake Forest resident.

      The Pentecostal church had been an everyday part of life for Finch. His father was a pastor for 30 years and he attended a Christian college.

      On Father’s Day, Finch and other families in the gay community will gather at Saddleback Church, part of an effort to initiate dialogue with mega-church congregations across the nation about religious attitudes toward homosexuality. Members of the project — The American Family Outing — have visited five other such congregations so far. This is their last stop in an effort that began in May.

      A group of about 50 people will attend Sunday worship at the church. On Monday, a smaller group will meet with Saddleback leaders to discuss issues such as faith and family, sexual orientation and gender. Pastor Rick Warren said he and his wife are unable to attend. They will be celebrating Father’s Day with their family and will be out of town to receive awards from two universities.

      Warren — who founded Saddleback Church — has called the fight against AIDS one of the church’s signature issues.

      “Everyone is welcome to hear the gospel and experience the friendship of Saddleback,” Warren said via email. “Through our ministry to people with HIV/AIDS we’ve developed great relationships with many in the gay community and some come regularly. We’ve listened, disagreed, cried together, and loved without compromising God Word.”

      Regarding gay marriage, Warren said: “Since human history began, every culture and every religion has defined marriage as the binding covenant between a man and a woman. The meaning should not be distorted to signify any other kind of relationship.”

      Jeff Lutes, executive director of Soulforce — a gay rights advocacy group that organized the project — said the issue of homosexuality has divided the American faith community.

      “”We hope we can get past the fear which leads so often to misunderstanding,” Lutes said.

      Lutes said Christian literature talks about homosexuality in a very theological way that tends to dehumanize the gay community.

      “All of these churches have lots of gay and lesbian members who are there,” Lutes said. “Some are deeply in the closet and the church is really missing out on the gifts that they can offer the church. You can’t offer all of your talents if you’re pretending to be something you’re not.”

      The effort, he said, has been in the planning stages for months.

      “Essentially the leaders of the evangelical movement have gotten older and a the same time there is this new group of emerging evangelical leaders who are coming up and filling in the gaps,” Lutes said.

      Lutes said the effort is targeting mega-churches because they are hugely influential within the communities of faith.

      “They have such an enormous capacity to create a safer world for our children and our families,” Lutes said.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      Of course you’re going to get loons in every community, and there are some “activists” in the gay community who deny aids and think that rick warren’s a great guy…they’re insane, and not at all representative of the mainstream.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      And are you calling soulforce and the groups that met at the saddleback church to have a healing love in with rick warren gay rights activists? What rights are orgs like soulforce fighting for? THe right to be accepted by evangelicals? That’s an insult to gay rights, when activists are, right now, fighting for things like employment nondiscrimination and equal housing protection, the repeal of DADT, and hate crimes legislation. Soulforce has its own agenda, and one that has very little to do with substantive gay rights.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:21 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      Your beloved HILLARY CLINTON that you all voted for in the primaries has visited Saddleback too.

      http://presidential.freedomblogging.com/2007/11/26/clinton-to-appear-at-saddleback-church/

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:22 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      is hill dog a gay rights activist too, sm?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Obama is Ohio right now telling people he reads their letters.

      I suggest you tell the MILLIIONS of LGBT people in America to start putting a postcard in the mail to their President DAILY about how important thier civil rights are to them.

      He’s in the Washington Bubble now.

      I suggest you get mad at the MILLIONS OF LGBT people not telling him DAILY! LAZY! I can do it!!!!!!!!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:40 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @SM:

      I already mailed him my diary.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      I don’t know millions of gays. Wow, that would be really hard.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Go buy a binky…

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:43 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • County Sheriff's Department
      County Sheriff's Department

      A WARNING TO THE PUBLIC

      A notorious patient of our local mental asylum has escaped again after medications to treat her inbred imbecility and political Tourette’s Syndrome failed to work.

      Goes by name “SM”-photo below. If seen, please call the troll-free Cockroach Hotline immediately.[img]http://www.satanspace.com/m_pictures/185664-Insane-Clown.jpg[/img]

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:44 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @County Sheriff’s Department:

      That’s so funny…I’m going to copy it for my blog. Democrats can decide on thier own if they want to continue to support your causes~

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:46 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      your blog must be really popular if “democrats” will decide on thier own. Is it dailykos?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:49 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Nope…I know bloggers that appear on the Huffington Post and elsewhere.

      It would be fun to copy several threads here concerning TANK and let Democrats decide for themselves.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      @TANK:

      Tank…Queerty has a low class reputation all over…I’ve asked.

      You all sink your own ship~

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:52 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @SM:

      Hey, it’s the only blog I’m allowed to post on.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:54 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • TANK
      TANK

      @SM:

      I’ve been banned from commenting on huffpost, too. And I’ve met Arianna Huffington, for fuck’s sake. Pictures taken.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 2:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • County Sheriff's Department
      County Sheriff's Department

      Attention is porn to SM. And the more negative it is, the harder she cums.

      One can imagine her literally rubbing her pudenda against her PC monitor everytime someone responds to her.

      Remember what the Orkin man told your parents: don’t leave food out and the cockroaches will stop coming back.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:00 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @SM: You said “”@SM: you said “You are an idiot. I do not scream every little thing I do for gay rights. I DONT HAVE TO DO A FUCKING THING AT ALL.

      If my brother dose not get his rights faster…it will not be because of Obama….it will be because of ASSHOLE LOSERS WHO ARE MEAN, CRUEL, FAKE, SELFISH, ARROGANT, LIKE YOU!”"
      ___________________________________________________________-

      You know what I find interesting SM? The fact that you come on here, call us all babies, you have said that we don’t deserve civil rights because we don’t agree with each other, and that we are al idiots for not sticking by the President inspite of his actions.

      What I find interesting is that I through a few hits back at you and just look at what you wrote. look at how freaked out and nasty you got. And yet you are attacking gays, for taking much worse than what I just gave you for DECADES. Why is it that you can freak out and become a completely unhinged attack dog after one or two shots from me, and yet the fact that gays get irritated after decades of neglect and abuse is cause for you to belittle, attack, and tell us we do not deserve our rights. You are acting incredibly hipocritical. But then again, you are straight, I guess you aren’t used to being held to task for your behavior. Is that it?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:02 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @SM:

      If only someone would sink yours! LOL

      Just sayin’…

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:14 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @County Sheriff’s Department:

      Taht is the funniest post (and picture) that I have seen in a month of Sundays.

      Well done! LOL

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:17 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GrrrlRomeo
      GrrrlRomeo

      @SM: You really have some prejudice issues. For real. “You all this.” and “You all that.” You’re trying to marginalize us. You’re not pro-gay at all. You stereotype us and talk down to us. You’re privileged and you think we’re beneath you.

      I’ve never voted for a Clinton. Not in 1996 (when I became eligible to vote), and not in 2008 primaries. I voted for Obama in the South Carolina primary, which was in January of 2008.

      The oppressed are not responsible for their oppression. We can’t sink our own ship. It’s not our ship to sink. We were put on it by heterosexuals.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • InExile
      InExile

      @County Sheriff’s Department: This picture just shows the face, where is the O tee shirt?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @Cam:

      County Sheriff’s Department is right on the money, Cam.

      SM is addicted to attention, and like any other drug addict, she just keeps coming back for another fix to get her kicks.

      As long as we keep leaving food out on the counter, the cockroach will keep coming back.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:32 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Cam
      Cam

      @schlukitz:

      LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your comparison was hilarious!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:34 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @SM:

      Tank…Queerty has a low class reputation all over…I’ve asked.

      Ah. Then that explains why you are on it!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 3:35 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • GBM
      GBM

      FUCK THE RETHUGHOOLIGANS!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 4:38 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Bill Perdue
      Bill Perdue

      With Democrats like these who really needs Republicans?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 4:41 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @Bill Perdue:

      Touché

      Jul 23, 2009 at 4:51 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • 7SK
      7SK

      @GBM: I don’t know what that means, but I almost peed.

      Aren’t there any fiscally conservative gay democrats? Like, yes to environmentalism and not so RAH RAH THE NAVY, but wanting to keep government spending down?

      A guy I once dated had a T-shirt that said “Fiscally Conservative, Socially Democrat, Sexually Liberal.” Is that not a political thing? Including the sexually liberal thing, cos y’know politicians are all whores, that’s well-documented on this site alone.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 5:24 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • SM
      SM [Different person #1 using similar name]

      “Oh Queerty, you are like the town drunk of blogs. But let’s talk about your lying, your poorly researched articles, race bating, misspellings, misconceptions, stupidity, childish ways and there’s more but I’ll stop there.”

      Jul 23, 2009 at 5:42 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Anthony Leon
      Anthony Leon

      Just take that quote from Jeff. Our votes are taken for granted by one party and ignored by another. I love that, plus he is hottttt!

      Jul 23, 2009 at 6:47 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Jason_M
      Jason_M

      This piece is well-done! Not discussed in film is why these guys are Republicans. What is it about the Republican Party that attracts them?

      As for SM, who cares?

      Jul 23, 2009 at 7:25 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Mike L.
      Mike L.

      Is Mr.s Chromzcak (?Spelling) talking economics with his faghag? (2:48)

      LOL It just popped in my mind when that scene came on.

      And yes there are sadly gay republicans. They should really move to the Libertarian party.

      One of my friends is a gay republican, who is in the closet (at least he thinks no one will know), yet he moves more like a girl than my mom, and niece combined. AND he’s against gay marriage (insert rights) b/c he’s an evangelical christian yes he’s fucking random guys he meets online the same day he meets them.

      “Hipocrasy” I say, he says “Oh hell no you didn’t bitch!”

      Whatev.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 9:26 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • AM
      AM

      I agree with Mike – fiscally conservative and pro-human rights, individual rights is Libertarian party. They are also anti-war.

      In defense of them though, many Libertarian-ish candidates run as Republicans because they have more of a shot at getting elected (ie, Ron Paul), so it makes sense to be registered as a Republican if they want to be able to vote in primaries, etc.

      Not to play down LGBT rights at all, but these people also might find it more important to vote on an agenda that they see as being able to help us in this economy, and might personally sacrifice by putting their right to marry, etc. on the backburner for now until we’re out of this crisis.

      Jul 23, 2009 at 10:27 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Torch Singer
      Torch Singer

      All Republicans will burn in hell – Jesus told me that!

      Jul 24, 2009 at 10:27 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • Robert, NYC
      Robert, NYC

      There are several reasons why a gay man or woman would vote republican. There are some who are in the closet and succumb to oppression that the GOP is notorious for; there are some who’s preservation of wealth is more important than equality; there are some who don’t really care about equality as long as their bank accounts and investments get bigger and bigger; there are many who don’t want marriage equality and don’t believe that gays should be married; there are some who think that a gay politician voting against gay rights is the correct thing to do to avoid being found out (guilt by association), a lot of that in their party; and then their’s racism, a party that can’t get over the fact that they lost to an African American. Its the party of “hate” and the party of “no”. It wants to see this administration fail; it wants to see us get hit again, 9/11 redux, to vindicate the last eight years of lies and corruption. It wants to continue with the status quo, NO health care reform to protect more than 47 million uninsured Americans, no repeal of DADT or DOMA and one of the pieces of legislation they’d like to repeal is Roe v. Wade. The party now claims, according to Eric Cantor and Michael Steele, that their’s is now a more inclusive party. So, then that begs the following questions to gay republicans. Why is it that your party has NEVER authored one single piece of equality legislation for LGBT people, why? Why are you never allowed to take the platform at any of the coventions to address LGBT equality? The answer is, its NOT IMPORTANT and it DOESN’T MATTER.

      Jul 24, 2009 at 2:36 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • schlukitz
      schlukitz

      @Robert, NYC:

      As always, you’re right on the money, Robert. Well said.

      Jul 24, 2009 at 3:56 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • M Shane
      M Shane

      In looking at this situation, it seems important to relize that the Republican party was forced to be such a social issues party when when the leaders of what was the Party of the Greedy realized that only about %1 of the population owned everything, anyone else with economic interests in selfishness as a priority was ignorant of how things really worked. The social concermns were previously determined by the need to keep dispossessed groups of people(e.g. American Negro) on their knees and unable to get ahead.

      What happened over the past 20-30 years is that the Original Greed motivated folks had so few voters that they realized that it was the point to drag the ignorant Religious Bigots into their ranks and to make them feel important and aligned with the wealthy. Of course fags became a natural enemy. here because a veriety of religious fanatics, as far flung as Irish Catholics and Black Baptists and Mormons were combined in one party to(and this was never admitted)vote in the needs of the wealthy along with their egotistic bigotry.

      Of course many greedy white Gay people are just as ignorant as the rest of those republicans who didn’t have much but thought they might have a chance(Not knowing that there are no chances anymore in America unless you inherit what you get or are an entertainer).

      There is nothing that I know of but a generous and loving heart which will make people empathize and look for a future that we al l can enjoy-what Tony Kushner calls ‘Socialism of the Skin’, without feeling that we’ve brought misery into the lives of others.

      Jul 25, 2009 at 7:16 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • John JOhnson
      John JOhnson

      @SM: Sigh….this could be love.

      Jul 27, 2009 at 1:33 pm · @ReplyReply to this comment ·
    • J. P.
      J. P.

      You know, there is more to politics than gay rights, to be honest. I consider it a high priority, especially as it’s a bit of a “final frontier” to reaching complete equality. We have just about gotten rid of racism, nationalism, sexism and now we’re working on… Orientation-ism?

      Anyway, I don’t think a gay Republican is much of an oxymoron at all. I support a lot of Republican ideals and I agree with a lot of their end goals, and I’m able to comfortably mix that with being gay and all of the ideals that the gay community holds.

      On another note, I rather miss the old gay community, where people were nice and accepting and decent. Not where “if you aren’t totally gay, completely Democratic and undubitably liberal, you are a scumbag.” It’s gotten worse lately, too.

      (And for those of you attacking President Obama, can’t you cut him a damned break? Weren’t all of you the ones screaming his name and fainting at his speeches a few months ago? He hasn’t been in office more than seven months, and you all are expecting him to save the whole country already.)

      Aug 12, 2009 at 1:48 am · @ReplyReply to this comment ·

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