Of course, in a million years, no sensible person would support Donald Trump’s candidacy for president — and yet, every now and then, we can see his appeal as a person who speaks his mind, rather than indulging the mass hallucinations of politics-as-usual.
The latest fun, or not-so-fun, Trump news: he really doesn’t care what’s in the party platform, including the wildly homophobic language that caught nobody but the Log Cabin Republicans by surprise. Trump, of course, has aligned himself extensively with homophobes.
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It’s sensible for him not to care, of course, because the platform really does not matter that much. It’s just attractive window dressing, like that of Diane Lane’s character in the movie Lady Beware. But the dressing itself goes largely ignored, unlike that of Kim Cattrall’s character in Mannequin.
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“Right now, the platform is largely a Trump platform!” he told Fox News. This isn’t exactly right — the platform is far more specific than trump has ever been, and quite a bit more hostile to anyone who is not a straight white Christian. But the actual document itself is pretty meaningless, now more than ever, since the party’s nominee is just going to do whatever he feels like doing. So as rudders go, Trump’s a lot stronger than whichever conservatives wrote up the platform.
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At one point, the interviewer pointed out that the party platform opposes medical marijuana, and Trump seemed surprised, as if he hadn’t actually read it. He almost certainly has not. Why would he? He didn’t come here to make friends. Though, he added, “I think what’s happening with the platform is very good.”
But we’ll see how Trump’s likely running make, Mike Pence, handles this kind of talk. Trump just signaled this morning that he’ll be campaigning with Pence (who, you’ll recall, signed Indiana’s loathsome turn-away-the-gays bill). As a career politician, Pence is far more likely to adhere to the party line.
1EqualityUSA
Undercover boss…
DCguy
Let me guess, all the Log Cabin sell outs will come in and start screaming about Muslims and that lgbts should vote for Trump because……Muslims are scary!
They’ll say anything to avoid the fact that the GOP is just as anti-lgbt as any Saudi Cleric or Vatican Bishop.
dwes09
@DCguy: And they will blame progressive gay and lesbian folks for being too strident and not waiting till the time was right for our heterosexual overlords to grant us the privileges of marriage, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
In their world Trump is our champion if we would only have the wisdom to “know our place”, and stay there; whereas those progressive politicians who have come around to support for us are somehow corrupt because they can evolve over time.
DCguy
@dwes09:
I think you are being too kind. I don’t think they even bother trying to pretend that our rights will move forward, they are too busy trying to just avoid the topic of lgbt rights under the GOP. They have basically turned into an anti-lgbt group sadly enough.
GayEGO
I have been watching the progress of our LGBT community since the 1950’s and we have been advancing forward since those days. There will always be some nut cakes that refuse to learn, apparently they have been brainwashed by their religions. But they will be dragged, kicking and screaming into this century unless they dig their heels in which they will bury themselves in the past, dark ages.
Who knows what Trump really believes, he only says what he thinks, (or not), to get support from whoever, usually the frustrated unthinkers.
gayspud-1
need to stop gop dead in their tracks.get these low life gops out of office for good.cause they are the ones that are spreading hate and bigotry around the country
dwes09
@GayEGO: I first began coming out at university in 1968. Although the movement for gay rights began in the US essentially began with the 1950 founding of the Mattachine Society, progress was glacial until very recently. A change in the SCOTUS, quite possible with a republican victory in the upcoming election, could cause a massive setback. Trump would be proud to be the source of this is one can trust his rhetoric at all.
James
Log cabin club, what a bunch of useless sick neurotic losers.
James
@GayEGO: Who knows what Trump really believes? Wake up and smell the coffee !!!!!!!!! He hates muslims, he hates gays…….. how many Klu Klux Klan neo nazis, and antigay people does he need to surround himself with before you get a clue.
Mack
Can anyone explain to me why any LGBT would even consider voting for Trump or any Republican for that matter? I know the LCR will say something but lets be realistic, the GOP HATES OUR F–KING GUTS.
dwes09
@Mack: They don’t hate our guts, they are Christians…they love us. They just think we are filthy disgusting perverts who deserve “tough love”. so they’s like to re-criminalize our “sins” for our own good.
The Log Cabinettes agree with that conceptually (or entirely, if their self hatred is strong enough).
dwes09
@dwes09: They (the self described “traditional republican” Log Cabin girls) always say they decry “big government”. But what they mean is that they decry spending which supports and aids the least among us or furthers human rights and freedoms. They LOVE government spending when it extends the control of the oligarchs, undermines the advances of minorities or improves infrastructure not in their immediate neighborhood.
Brian
Trump does not have a boyfriend. He has never had homosexual experiences to my knowledge.
Tobi
@Mack: I think for some, it’s that they’d rather be unequal and alive, than equal but dead. I don’t agree to giving in to fear but I do understand that it happens. I’m in the UK and when I look at Europe freely admitting millions of people that have no intention of assimilating but insist on importing their own cultures and religions that proudly and loudly announces that we should be killed, I get why some people vote the way they do.
dwes09
@Brian: “Trump does not have a boyfriend. He has never had homosexual experiences to my knowledge.”
And in fact not one word implying that he did has been posted on this board or alluded to in the article.
Bob LaBlah
Since he thinks that position is going to get him elected why is anyone shocked? The only thing Trump is going to do for those idiots who support him is take their money.
dwes09
@Tobi: Most, if not the overwhelming majority, of Muslims will assimilate so long as they are not herded into poverty haunted projects in the suburbs and denied a living wage. Disenfranchise people and of course they will not assimilate, but feed on their own resentment. The source of radicalization in Muslim youth is not that the religion is “bad”, or that they are intrinsically disdainful of the west. It is the pressure cooker of the poor neighborhoods, the high unemployment and the racism/nativism of the host country. It is those things that allow radical Imams to gain traction. In the US where the Muslim population is more upwardly mobile there is a great deal less radicalization. The sad thing though is that it only takes one individual to wreak havoc with a gun or (as in Nice) a large truck!
If you are fleeing oppression and uncertainty and find yourself simply trading one set of hobbles for another why would you embrace the culture that you find yourself isolated in and disappointed by? Most of the refugees in Europe were middle class. Political & religio-political events have plunged them into poverty and desperation. When they feel that their new home is not to keen on letting them back into the middle class, where is the incentive to adopt the culture or assimilate. Why would not the kids who are growing up marginalized become radicalized?
DMRX
@dwes09: Please don’t feed Brian, the troll. Him bringing up something random is a fairly regular thing.
dwes09
@DMRX: You’re absolutely right, i should simply ignore him. But sometimes he is so maddening in his foolishness that I cannot resist responding.
Me2
@dwes09: Good assessment! I can see many parallel’s to the current state of race relations here in the U.S.
joeyty
Trump is the best bet we have for the future of gay survival in the U.S. I know a lot of people are not single-issue voters, but I do think it’s a pretty crucial time for this issue.
joeyty
@dwes09: Yeah, that’s why Muslims in the U.S. have already attempted the mass murder of gays three times, FINALLY succeeding in Orlando. And this is just the beginning.
joeyty
@James: Get a clue about that hat.
joeyty
@DCguy: “Muslims are scary!” They are ! Anybody that lives in modern Saudi Arabia with electricity and elevators, etc, yet STILL puts people on trial for witchcraft and beheads them with a sword if convicted are….pretty scary. And anybody that executes consenting adults for same-sex relations are scary.
joeyty
@DCguy: “lgbts should vote for Trump because……Muslims are scary!” Another reason gays should vote for Trump is because Hillary would let exactly three and a half million scary Muslim refugees into the U.S. Has she gotten an inkling yet of the rape problem in Europe from these same refugees ???? And she’s supposed to….care about women ?
Mo Bro
@Mack: Why would a gay man vote Republican? Intelligence and decency, of course. Allow me to explain . . .
If a Republican doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a Democrat doesn’t like guns, he wants guns outlawed.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants meat products banned.
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
If a Republican doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand those they don’t like be shut down.
If a Republican is an atheist, he quietly chooses not to go to church.
A Democrat atheist wants any mention of religion silenced, while at the same time treating atheism itself as a protected religion.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he shops for it, or chooses a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands the rest of us pay for his.
Most importantly,
If a Republican is gay, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is gay, he demands legislated respect.
And finally . . .
If a Republican reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will flag it and post a nasty comment, because he’s offended.
DCguy
@joeyty:
My comment in an early post:
Let me guess, all the Log Cabin sell outs will come in and start screaming about Muslims and that lgbts should vote for Trump because……Muslims are scary!
Joeyty’s resonse
@joeyty: @DCguy: “lgbts should vote for Trump because……Muslims are scary!” Another reason gays should vote for Trump is because Hillary would let exactly three and a half million scary Muslim refugees into the U.S. Has she gotten an inkling yet of the rape problem in Europe from these same refugees ???? And she’s supposed to….care about women ?
Notice how I point out that the Log Cabiners have ZERO defense to how anti-gay their party is, I predict that they will come in here and scream “Muslims are Scary” and they do it. Even when their tactics are called out, they don’t have anything else.
As for the “Rape” problem in Europe, you mean that problem where a bunch of German women were raped by German guys and Germany did nothing to change it’s outdated rape laws, but when women there were raped by German guys AND non-German guys, suddenly Germany decides that maybe they’ll change them?
And again, So lets see, Muslims are Scary and Dems love Muslims. Hmmmmm, Bush’s family has close ties to the Saudi and Kuwaiti families and let Bin Ladin Live in Pakisan, AND disbanded the CIA’s Bin Ladin group. Obama doesn’t have ties and killed Bin Ladin. Ok I get it, you are deranged, and have painted Democrats in your head as some scary evil think because you have a desperation to be different. But if you are just going to flat out make up facts, at what point do you see a therapist or rethink your mindset?
The GOP Platform is an attack on lgbts no different than what religious leaders in many “Scary Muslim” countries say. Telling us to be scared of some foreign boogeyman is useless when we have a political party here that is on the warpath against us, AND has a history of allying with the governments of those same countries you keep trying to tell us are “scary”.
DCguy
@Mo Bro: stated:
@Mack: Why would a gay man vote Republican? Intelligence and decency, of course. Allow me to explain . . .
If a Republican doesn’t like guns, he doesn’t buy one.
If a Democrat doesn’t like guns, he wants guns outlawed.
Specifics please, because polls indicate that BOTH republicans and Democrats support gun control Ooops, sorry, facts are pesky.
If a Republican is a vegetarian, he doesn’t eat meat.
If a Democrat is a vegetarian, he wants meat products banned.
Specifics please, because I seem to see plenty of Republicans that want to ban ANYTHING they don’t like, you know, like gay people not being fired, Religions-they don’t like. etc…
If a Republican is down-and-out, he thinks about how to better his situation.
A Democrat wonders who is going to take care of him.
That’s interesting since the majority of food stamp recipients are White, and multiple counties in Kentucky, West Virginia etc… that vote in the 90% GOP ALSO have food stamp recipients in similar numbers. In other words, apparently Republicans WILL demand handouts, but then scream about other people getting them. Oh, and remind me again, how many of these older Republican voters are “taking” Medicare? hmmm, ALL of them? Really!?
If a Republican doesn’t like a talk show host, he switches channels.
Democrats demand those they don’t like be shut down.
Really, you mean the way all of those conservative groups picket to shut down shows as varied as Married with Children or NYPD Blue because they were “offensive”?
If a Republican is an atheist, he quietly chooses not to go to church.
A Democrat atheist wants any mention of religion silenced, while at the same time treating atheism itself as a protected religion.
You left out the part where if a Republican is religious they want to pass laws that force others to live by the rules of their religion, attacking lgbts, women, and any people that disagree with them.
If a Republican decides he needs health care, he shops for it, or chooses a job that provides it.
A Democrat demands the rest of us pay for his.
The rest of us pay for it? You mean the way the GOP Patient bill of rights provision that Bush put in that outlaws medicare from using capitalism? Every other country can negotiate the price of drugs down, but Bush and the GOP handed the Pharmaceutical companies a law (After being paid by lobbyists) that says that Medicare will pay whatever they ask. Funny, THAT doesn’t seem free market.
Most importantly,
If a Republican is gay, he quietly leads his life.
If a Democrat is gay, he demands legislated respect.
By legislated respect, hmmm, you mean, being allowed to purchase goods in a public business with a public license? Being allowed to rent an apartment? Being allowed to have a job and not be fired because another employee is a bigot? So in other words, you are saying that a Republican “gay” will stay hidden and try not to offend any bigots with how “disgusting” they are. You just wrote the label for the current Log Cabiners better than I could have.
And finally . . .
If a Republican reads this, he’ll forward it so his friends can have a good laugh.
A Democrat will flag it and post a nasty comment, because he’s offended.
All of your commentary is on the childish level of a 5th grader “One side evil, other side good”. That plus the fact that you can offer no specifics shows it is just a sad attempt to what….
Oh THAT’S right, this post is about the frontal attack on lgbts from the GOP platform, funny how you didn’t want to talk about THAT even though it’s the topic of the post. It’s almost like you were…..TRYING TO AVOID THE SUBJECT
Dave084
@joeyty: I don’t know who you are or what planet you’re from but you obviously are missing a functioning brain. Trump good for gays? How completely laughable. Trump doesn’t give a damn about anyone but himself, including those “Christian” dumb-asses who are being duped by him. He is a narcissist who is in this strictly to stroke his ego. Even if he could save anyone from the scary Muslims (which he can’t) his sick party is biting at the bit to strip us of every protection that has been won. They are thrilled at the thought of throwing us into the cesspool of putrid Christian shit they refer to as God’s love. I would rather not be subjected to the repulsive slime of many of those Christian leader who celebrated with glee at the deaths of the 49 in Orlando and only regretted that it wasn’t more. So if you think Trump cares about keeping us safe and you don’t care about the fact that he will destroy everything else he touches as well then please have that tumor removed from you brain before November.
Mo Bro
@DCguy: Well, I appreciate you responding with a novella-length comment it took you an hour to write, but like most liberals, your logic is skewed by feelings rather than facts, and you rant too much on what a victim you are without addressing real issues. Here’s a hint about national politics: It’s not all about you.
Mo Bro
@Dave084: But I bet you embrace the “religion of peace” that murders non-believers (see Orlando, San Bernardino, Paris, Nice, Brussells, etc) and aims to eradicate homosexuality from the planet by wiping us out, right? Or are you a rational type who recognizes that all religion is bad for us?
DCguy
@Mo Bro: stated: @DCguy: Well, I appreciate you responding with a novella-length comment it took you an hour to write, but like most liberals, your logic is skewed by feelings rather than facts, and you rant too much on what a victim you are without addressing real issues. Here’s a hint about national politics: It’s not all about you.
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1. Since I only added a response to each of your points, complaining about the length is an obvious distraction attempt.
2. Since you claim my logic is skewed, please feel free to do something you never do and provide specific details where I was wrong.
3. Please point out where I stated anything about being a victim, except where I pointed out that the GOP platform is an assault on the rights of lgbts.
4. Please explain why you continually refuse to address the actual GOP platform and it’s commentary on lgts rather than continually putting up off topic deflections.
joeyty
@DCguy: No I’m talking the mass rapes by Muslim refugees throughout Europe. Everyone who doesn’t know about it has to look up Rotherham (UK); Germany; Sweden….. then wonder if one really wants a president who will bring in three million of those same refugees.
joeyty
Don’t fall for it guys. Do NOT let the self-hating older gay generation try to talk you into accepting any political party (in this case the Dems) that is more interested in votes than your real safety. If Hillary Clinton becomes President, I’ll hope for the best, but the chances of more Orlando incidents will go much higher.
DCguy
@joeyty:
So in other words, you still refuse to talk about the GOP platform, it’s attacks on lgbts, AND you are lying about the other topic.
And please remember to try to stay on at least ONE topic, is it that lgbts should love the GOP because they hate Muslims, and Muslims hate us, but wait, when I point out that the GOP platform is as anti-lgbt as any Muslim cleric, now you start screaming about rapes in Europe, even though Germany’s antiquated rape laws have caused outrage among women’s groups for decades, but no GOP person has ever complained…….until now, when you need to try to find another way to deflect from talking about how anti-lgbt the GOP platform is.
Again, if you are trying to defend a party, but have to constantly hide the truth by dodging and weaving onto whatever desperate topic you can find, ask yourself why do you REALLY support them other than perhaps a nasty case of battered spouse syndrome.
passingthru
@DCguy: @Mo Bro: Very intelligent, factual and respectful responses to Mo Bro’s very delusional, inaccurate and ill-informed nonsense. Thanks!
Hussain-TheCanadian
@joeyty: Interesting; you have a quote from Hillary Clinton that says she’ll bring in “3 million (Muslim) refugees”?
If she is, then you need to start with the Iraqi ones, the same Iraq your government and military destroyed for a pack of lies.
Tobi
Hmmm… a steely-eyed mental-heath nurse or an oompa-loompa with a dead ferret on its head. Decisions. Decisions. 😉