Sometimes other gays get us hot and bothered… and sometimes they just get us bothered.
In terms of the latter, dozens of Redditors had irritations to share on the r/AskGayMen forum this month when one person asked, “What do other gay guys do that annoys you, or that you find tasteless?”
There were some one-off quibbles—e.g. using the 🥵 emoji too much, drinking “shitty wine,” and something called “the bear face.” But as the discussion continued, themes started emerging.
Here are some of those recurring topics, with comments tidied up for readability.
Inappropriate touching
“Inappropriate touching. I had my crotch grabbed twice by the same guy on a night out a few weeks ago. I sort of know him socially, never had any idea he had a crush on me. He knows I am married, too. First time it didn’t register immediately, as I was in conversation. Second time it did, and it made me feel uncomfortable, so I left. I’ve had this happen a few times over the last couple of years. A guy came up to me outside a bar and touched my cheek on my face and said ‘handsome’ whilst my husband stood opposite me, and in the middle of a pandemic. Not cool. Read the room, gays!”
“Yeah, I hate that sh*t, the uninvited touching. I haven’t been to a gay club in over two years, but I was recently on vacation, so my partner and I decided to go out. I was working my way back from the bar with a couple of drinks though a crowded area and had multiple guys grab my ass, one even trying to shove his f*cking finger up my crack. If I wasn’t carrying two full drinks and unable to move… ugh, I was so pissed off.”
“[Being] too touchy at first meeting. I’m talking at a bar, not a date or hookup.”
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“I’m dead wrong for this, but when their profile says ‘twink’ and they’re not.”
Categorizing and stereotyping
“The constant ‘top and bottom’ rhetoric. If you’ve found that you enjoy only doing one or the other, good for you! I’m glad that those labels exist for those who want them. But holy sh*t, it goes way too far sometimes. Turning it into a personality trait, defining others by it, acting like tops and bottoms are two distinct groups of people who fall into clear-cut categories, it’s getting f*cking old. I’m tired of being told I ‘must be a bottom’ because I’m short and soft-spoken. I’m tired of being told I ‘must be a top’ because I’m hairy and like going fishing. I’m tired of our community essentially creating gender roles 2.0 in relationships. Labels have their uses, but stop using them instead of your brain.”
“The categories in the gay male community. And if you don’t fit into any of them, then people aren’t interested. For example, I’m not skinny, short, or smooth enough to be a twink. I’m not muscly, so I’m not a gym bro. And I’m not beefy/stocky or hairy enough to be a bear. And I’m way too young to be a ‘daddy’. Sometimes it feels like we can’t be individuals anymore to be seen; you have to fit into a category. Quite frankly, I don’t want to be a twink, muscle gay, bear or ‘daddy,’ either.”
“I hate people who want to put me in a category with a passion. I mean, if you see yourself as a bear/twink/hunk/jock/etc., good for you! It’s simply not my case. Stop trying to push me into the ‘twink/femboy bottom’ category just because I’m trans. I’m neither femme nor bottom! Categories can be fun when they’re used lightheartedly, but there are too many gays who are way too serious about them. And yes, this includes top/bottom. Some people believe way too much in ‘bottom personality’ and ‘top personality,’ and it’s so annoying and sad.”
“Why is it that white gays are called twinks, jocks, otters, bears, etc., but black men are almost only described as black or defined by race? I can’t speak for Asian or Latino men, but I feel like they experience this as well. The categories are stupid, but I think this says a lot.”
“Assuming that since you also are gay that you are exactly alike.”
“Generalizing and treating groups of people like a monolith.”
Boundary-crossing
“The type of open couples that don’t respect monogamous marriages and instead view the opportunity as a conquest.”
“The fact that I can’t make any lasting gay male friendships, because it eventually turns out that they wanted to sleep with me the entire time and were just waiting for their moment to pounce on me, but I only ever saw them as friends. So, they end up ruining the friendship. And I don’t even think that I am attractive at all, so maybe they think that because I am ugly that I am easy, or something. I don’t know. I’m just bad at picking genuine people, I guess.”
“Pursuing straight men even though they know they are straight.”
“Being pushy when I’ve said no. This is a male thing, and it’s annoying.”
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Over-sexualization
“Saying hi on dating apps by sending literally just a picture of their assh*le to start with. Why do you think that would ever be a good choice as an opener?”
“Making things about sex. I just want hugs and cuddles.”
“Some guys act as if they are somehow owed sex. You talk to them about a potential hookup, and they start telling you how ‘there are too many time wasters,’ etc. While I’ve never canceled on anyone, I find that extremely off-putting, and I don’t think I could be relaxed enough to enjoy my time with someone with that sort of attitude.”
Bigoted behavior
“I hate how bigoted gay men can be because we think being gay somehow excuses it. Like, yes, I agree asses are hot, but I don’t agree about being racist.”
“Making racist or transphobic jokes.”
“Transphobic behaviors.”
“Telling me that my bisexuality is just being fake-straight”
“Unexplored internal homophobia. Coming out is only the first step—there is more work to be done, gentlemen. Please start.”
“Refusing to value anything that isn’t straight-looking, able-bodied and white. Refusing to acknowledge their participation in oppression while claiming to accept everyone.”
“The normalized femmephobia. ‘I’m a MAN who likes MEN. If I wanted to date a WOMAN, I’d be straight!’ Who cares if a member of our community plays with fashion and gender norms?! We’ve all got a limited time on this earth, and the homophobes aren’t going to make the distinction between femme or masc.”
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Louis
For me, it’s when one gay guy refers to another as “she”.
Unless the other gay person uses she/her pronouns OR does drag and they’re referring to the drag alter ego, I just see no reason to refer to another man, regardless of their sexuality, as “she”.
SarcasaticMisanthrope
Look Miss Thing, when I came out in 1980 all the Leather Guys called each other “She” or Miss Thing. Get over yourself.
Shanester
So totally with you on that. Pronouns do have agency. It’s a cheap wine hang over from the 20th century. Fast forward to 2023…it is an echo of a linguistic relic. First amendment always tho today it mainly “fits” in drag culture.
garyinla
How about calling someone “Mary?”
Doug
For me it’s the way much of our community doesn’t allow individuals to form their own opinions… we’re told that we have to embrace the latest trend or worship a music diva, and if we don’t we’re automatically branded as either unsupportive or homophobic.
Openminded
Do you also extend this to politics? It’s awfully hard to be a Conservative Bi male, especially here on Queerty.
charlietex
@openminded, if by conservative you mean that you support the Republican Party, no, you don’t get a pass. Supporting a political party that works to literally take away your and my rights is not something that people should ignore. There is an actual plank in the Republican platform which says that gay relationships should not be state sanctioned, nor do gay relationships equal straight relationships. So, if you are one of those, it is really hard to understand why you would be “conservative”. If, by conservative, you mean something other than being a republican, then perhaps.
PhillyProud
Funny… Not being “allowed” to have their own opinion is usually what a gay republican would say when called on it. You are allowed to have whatever opinion you want. But, you don’t get support for your internalized homophobia or ignorance of fact when it comes to siding with a party that wants to remove us or minimally our rights. I’ve heard gay republicans believe they can effect change from the inside, out. So far, I’m not seeing much change. I think it’s Stockholm Syndrome. They seem to loathe themselves so much that they’d vote for someone who invalidates them.
winemaker
They forgot one very important thing that sadly affects many gay men, at least here in San Francisco the so called ‘friendly’ gay mecca: being rude nasty, obnoxious and giving ‘attitude’ for no reason or because the other guy isn’t your type. There’s an old saying, ‘you get farther in life being pleasant rather than nasty’. To put this in perspective, how many of us have been approached by some guy you weren’t interested in for whatever reason, he was polite and not obnoxious and you were rude to him? Sometimes it takes a lot of courage to approach someone and being rude and nasty shows your lack of class. On the other hand, how does it feel to approach someone in a friendly and polite manner and get nasty, rude and ‘attitude’ in response, for no reason? Whenever I’m approached by a guy I’m not interested in and he’s polite, I say “thanks but no thanks” or” I’m dating someone” ( true) but thanks for the compliment. Most people will back off yet there are the obnoxious ones that won’t take no for an answer. When this happens, this is my license to be abrupt but firm. Many years ago the gay men in San Francisco were friendly and open without so much drama. You could go into any bar in the Castro and the men didn’t give you attitude and actually talked to you, and sometimes the conversations were’nt always about sex. Miss those days. Over the years San Francisco has become more and more unfriendly sad to say.
barryaksarben
This is a huge problem that. many dont notice. I have a very large circle of dear friends and we have been close for decades going through the AIdS pandemic way back together losing many dear ones. What I have found in many of their friends who they introduce us all too if their friend is a guy who isn’t interested in you as a sexual partner he will basically ignore you, being rude. There are many many times I was introduced to other gay men I didnt want to have sex with but you dont act like an ass. It makes you look cheap and transactional. One of my friends has done amazingly well for himself and now. owns an apt in NYC and a condo in Scottsdale. We have been Tod for. years that we could be twins so when the same guy found out about Bills money he was all over him and I wanted to puke. It takes guts to approach a stranger and say help so the very least show some basic manners and acknowledge them, thank them and explain why even if it is “Im sorry you are just not my type.Do not ignore them do not belittle them or laugh at them. Not everyone wants to sleep with you. Just be kind. being gay is hard enough and you need all the friends you can get. As we learned after losing so man.
Joshooeerr
The top/bottom rhetoric and the invented culture around it is utterly toxic. There’s a whole generation now that has partly or largely accepted this nonsense, and many have shoe-horned themselves into roles without ever fully exploring the freedom to operate outside such narrow confines. Sadly, Queerty has endlessly promoted this mindset all kinds of stupid articles about what it means to be a top/bottom, usually without any nuance that might reflect the actual behaviour of real people or the apparently radical notion that you don’t have to identify (of be) either.
Darson
Being told repeatedly that I am phobic when it is merely preference. As a gay male, feminine beauty does not arouse me. If you are a male who enjoys make up, nail polish, and over the top clothing…good for you. Live your life. We can be friends but I will not be sexually attracted to a man with a face full of make up. Now a hairy muscle man who likes garter belts and stockings really cranks my tractor! Transfemales with dicks..hard stop. Cute boys with vaginas…yes thank you. You may now begin to deconstruct me.
PhillyProud
@Darson, I’ve struggled with that. But, basically have come to the same conclusion. I’m attracted to more traditional masculine energy. Personally, I think men who are not gender conforming are more man than I could be. But, I’m not attracted to them physically.I just don’t see any shame in any of it. I’ve also come to the conclusion that if I connected with a trans man, I’m all in.
scotty
when someone says “irregardless.”
HiKo73
Ms. Fox should put you in your place 😉
andrewmpls
I have a friend who says irregardlessly just to be ironic.
ggore
Back in the “day”, if you didn’t get your ass or crotch felt up at least 3-4 times, you didn’t have a good Saturday night. 99% of the time the guy was just being friendly or forward and the move came in handy if you were somehow oblivious to the fact he had been too shy to make contact by walking up and saying Hi. Most of the time you just crossed it off as flattery. Nowadays, any uninitiated physical contact is considered horribly rude, a total sea change.
1898
yes, it’s so terribly sad that we don’t tolerate and promote sexual harassment and sexual assault the way we did in the old days
/sarcasm
SUPREME
when drag queens have beards and mustaches and visible chest hair.
PhillyProud
When I was coming out in the mid-80s there was a lot of shaming around body hair. It was after the onslaught of AIDS and our image went from the 70s mustached, jeans, t-shirt look to the buff, hairless “masculine” man. I think Michael Signorile wrote about it being a reaction to seeing us as ill.
Now, in my late 50s, one of my good friends, the same age, dives on younger men (25+). It’s predatory, I think. He always involves me and is like, “what do you think of so-n-so? Do you think he’s interested?” It’s not an attractive look. This is one of my pet peeves.
305Ghuy
I’m a black guy and consider myself to be an ‘International Lover’ (Lol)… meaning I’m attracted to ‘particular’ men of ALL colors and from ALL cultures.
If I think you are cute, handsome, hot; sure I want to ‘get with you’. If however I happen to be in a largely GWM environment; and I am not interested in YOU ‘brother’… black man. You should not say “Oh. You’re into white guys.” “Naw ‘Bro’. I am just not attracted to YOU!”
I admit I can be picky to the point of leaving a club alone, but I don’t feel guilty for not having hooked up with ANY available human with a penis.
Since I’ve probably annoyed some readers already I’ll let my thoughts flow. Most black folks (M/F) know ‘The Nod’. That tilt up or down of the head when you are in a space feeling ‘out numbered’ when passing another black person that says “we are not alone”. Regardless of who you may be attracted to or not, the obvious turning away so as not to make eye contact is really not necessary.
Don’t assume that all black men are attracted to you so it is ok to be polite; nor are they the competition for the attentions of some white/Latin boy.