For those of us who endured homophobic bullying as kids, it’s common to ponder what we’d say if we were ever confronted with an opportunity to speak with those who harmed us. But what if your former bully wanted to sleep with you?
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That’s the bizarre proposition John Brammer received one night on Scruff when he was visiting his childhood home in rural Oklahoma.
And rather than spark some sort of repressed fantasy scenario, it mostly just dredged up all the hometown growing pains Brammer lived through.
In a first person Buzzfeed essay, he writes:
“The last time I went home, something strange happened. A blank profile messaged me from about a mile away.
Given that this was during the dead of night, my first instinct was to open the blinds of my windows and check to see if I could spot a glowing light out in the field. A mile in rural Oklahoma is too close for comfort. It might as well be coming from inside the house.
‘Hi,’ the message read.
Curious, I responded. ‘What’s up?’
A few minutes passed.
‘I think you know me lol.'”
And that’s when things got weird.
‘We went to school together,’ the blank profile continued.
‘We did?’ I replied, on edge. ‘Who are you?’
‘You probably don’t like me… haha. I was a little mean to you.’
A familiar feeling bubbled up in my gut: Panic.
Finally, Mr. Blank Profile sent over a photo. There he was — once of the boys who’d mercilessly bullied John — staring up from within Scruff.
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“‘Are you mad?’ the profile asked.
‘Yes,’ I said.
Unable to control myself, I decided to ask him if he remembered anything he’d done.
‘No lol,’ he said. ‘But I was a real asshole back then.’
And that was it. All those years of remembering, carrying, and suffering over this person, and he probably never thought about me at all after I moved away.”
Beside himself, John left the house for a long walk, trying to process this new information in light of years of nightmares surrounding his middle school experience.
“This person wasn’t the one-dimensional villain I’d made him out to be. All this time, he’d been closeted. Just like me. Yes, he had hurt me. Yes, he was wrong to hurt me. But I realized he was a victim too. In the town he and I had grown up in, being gay was seen as one of the worst things you could be. You might as well not even be human.
…
I didn’t know it at the time, but he and I were caught in the same system, a cycle of violence that perpetuates itself — one that leaves in its wake people who are in turns the victim and the villain. Someone made him hate himself. He saw himself in me. And so, he hated me.”
And yet, for all the rationalizing, there was no “forgive and forget” option for John.
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Especially not when his phone buzzed again with a new message:
“I was busy thinking all these thoughts when I received another message on my phone.
‘Want to fool around?’ he asked.
I didn’t know how to tell him that this was a nightmare I hadn’t even considered. It would probably take weeks to scrub that image from my mind, the thought of ‘fooling around’ with someone who had traumatized me.
‘No,’ I said. ‘Have a good life, man.’
I meant it.'”
Read the full story on Buzzfeed.
Nickolas Levi Hare
Didn’t expect to know who this person was when I clicked on the story.
Martin Steele
I think if my bully was offering kink… I might get tempted
Rob Ridings
The absolute worse part of this story was the guy seemed to have no remorse at all. He just LOL, I was an asshole back then. Well, sounds like you still are. Ugh…what a vile excuse for a human. Let him go back in the closet we don’t need gays like him.
Captain Obvious
Honestly it’s interesting when people turn former bullies into victims. They made a choice to hurt others. There’s really no excuse for that. If you were driven to suicide by him there would be no excuses given. And the bs about not remembering what he did comes after saying “Are you mad?” clearly he remembers.
A former wannabe bully of mine moved back to town and took up a normal job after proclaiming he’d be some big star making a ton of money. Every time he sees me he just has to be the person to come up to me. I even watched he stop a guy who was coming over just so he could handle my purchase. I pretended not to remember him and he pretended not to remember me. It’s the weirdest thing ever, like some game of chicken, but with Alzheimer’s.
At least the guy chose not to forgive and forget. Any man who would hurt you when he has a crush on you is capable of worse when you let your guard down. Gay men do get caught in abusive relationships too. A former bully could easily start all over again for any reason. They’re lacking normal human empathy.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Dear reader, I married him
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
Fantasy revenge lit for passive aggressives,
Buzzfeed “journalists” are the fucking worst evah. (with all due respect to Queerty)
Arcamenel
I read the conversation three times and didn’t read an “I’m sorry for how I treated you” or anything similar at all. He actually tries to downplay it with saying he was “a little mean”. I would have sent him a picture of my middle finger and then blocked him.
David Dewberry
Seems to follow a trend…
Cam
@Rob Ridings:
I didn’t take it that he had no memory or remorse, I took all those “LOL’s” as he was nervous, uncomfortable, and all that.
The thing is, the guy is such a backward fool that he thinks by pretending he doesn’t remember that will excuse it. No douche, if you don’t remember anything, then how do you remember being mean to him, and how do you remember that you were an ass*ole back then?”
The guy should have just said “Hey, I saw you on here, and I’ve always felt bad and wanted to apologize.”
Chances are, the other guy would have kept talking to him. But what can you expect, it’s small town Oklahoma, can’t expect schools there actually taught manners, they were too busy teaching bigotry.
Masc Pride
Never endured any “homophobic bullying”, but I imagine if I did I’d probably be totally over it by hook-up age. That could’ve been a hot session if Brammar wasn’t so melodramatic and analytical. It’s just Scruff.
@PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID: This does seem kind of made up, like the “heteroflexible” guy and the girlfriend that eventually came around…and allll those stories based on annoying Whisper memes. Brammar’s story line could make a good Sean Cody or Men.com scene.
stanhope
Top him with a vigor that sends him into another realm. Dont concern yourself with his pleasure. After you get your’s say get out!
onthemark
@Masc Pride: You don’t know that. There are various degrees of bullying, true, but if you “never endured” any, you don’t know that you’d be over it “by hook-up age.”
onthemark
@stanhope: lol, now THAT sounds like a plan.
John Malin
Glad he had enough sense not to go meet the guy! He might have wound up dead on a fence like Matthew Sheppard.
Raphael Marquez
Hot
Cam
@Masc Pride:
So in other words, it’s all the victim’s fault.
Glücklich
@John Malin:
That’s where my mind went first.
The closest I get to thinking about such a scenario is more like indirect contact where I get to put someone through my company’s *notoriously* grueling interview process. Let ’em get through the multiple, increasingly difficult rounds, lots of panels, go beyond the references and alienate their contacts, then I’d conduct the final interview. Or rescind an offer.
AtticusBennett
the one guy in high school who really gave me crap was also Closeted. we ran into each other years after high school in a local gay bar, and he stumbled over to drunkenly blame me for everything his life. because i came out first, and i was at that time performing in a musical downtown. and, you know, gays who perform in musicals are like THE WORST. right? we’re “STEREOTPYES!” and the last thing a closeted gay man wants is to be associated with the type of gay man who can make a professional living on the stage. right?
it was odd – when i came out in high school people had my back. that one guy who kept trying to whip up “ugh, he’s GAY!” sentiments toward me was met with “yeah, so?” from pretty much everyone he tried to turn against me.
i felt bad for him. internalized homophobia is a poison that you never remove from your system if you don’t address it.
i’ve not seen him since, not even on Facebook. wherever he is now, i hope he’s even a fraction as happy as i am in life. and i don’t need an apology. i forgive him for everything he’ll never apologize for, or even admit to. his attempts to bully didn’t hold me back in life – his self-hatred only makes him miserable.
Osman Akkurt
â? best option no need to waist your time by seeing an asshole on the apps grid.
tham
@Martin Steele: same here, but that’s because I watch way too much porn…every time I order a pizza I get a boner.
alphacentauri
I’ll bet they did hook up, if this story is actually true.
mr mr
If the bully was a bottom, I would still fuck. I would make sure to make him feel like a real bitch in a passionate way. And then I would never talk to him again. Ignore his messages and everything. Treat him like the little Hoe Azz that he is. However, if the bully was a top, I would ask for a dick pic. Then I would tell him that he is too small or that his dick is ugly. I think this victim in the article could have swagger this situation out a little better than he did.
mr mr
“Swagged”
Transiteer
1. Homophobes are closet cases, otherwise being around gays wouldn’t bother them.
2. The Butch ones Always bend over First, is probably true.
Juanjo
I had a similar experience when I went back to my hometown for a visit and went to a gathering of some folks who had gone to high school together. This one former jock showed up which I was not expecting and he made a special effort to speak with me. He also made a special effort to be friendly as well as make unclear comments about his won sexuality. He was a real jerk in high school and was noted for claiming that the gay guys in the high school were always trying to come on to him. I have to say I was not nice when he started making passes but it soon became clear that he was miserable and trying to open a line of communication. I asked him out front if he were trying to tell me he was gay. He was trying to struggle with an answer but the closest he could come was saying, “well I have never married” as if that were an answer. I have to say I really felt sorry for him despite all the shit he had put me and some other kids through in high school.
Masc Pride
@onthemark: Quite sure of it. I try not to harp on petty stuff for long (definitely not for years). It keeps you stuck and makes you bitter. Brammer seems really emotional about this, and from the other guy’s responses, you can totally tell he’s just looking to get laid (which is really what Scruff is for). It all just makes Brammer seem kind of hypersensitive, melodramatic and a bit girly. He’s a big boy now.
@alphacentauri: Yes, Brammer on all fours (I’m assuming) getting sexual validation from his former bully is certainly more believable.
@mr mr: Bottomphobia? lol
Thomas
FAAAAAAAAAAKE
SteveDenver
I suspect that if he’d accepted the invitation, that essay wouldn’t have been written, but his corpse might have showed up in a field.
Quingcess
I would totes be all up on that.
I used to have fantasies about this one bully at school. Everyone shit themselves when they saw him. But he never bothered me so I wasn’t scared of him. And I was known by the entire school so if something were to happen his ass would be in jail.
Tommysole
You know, I’ve dealt with assholes like this in high school and the Navy.
They never show any remorse, or forgiveness, only try to laugh it off as something that happened years ago and don’t think they need to say, “I a sorry for everything I ever did.”
This asshat! ugh, “Wanna fool around?” Barf!
Paul
In highschool I had another guy in art class threaten to kill me on a regular basis! I moved out of that class to another class. If I ever encountered this guy again I would walk in the opposite direction!
Brian
Bullies can be great in bed.
alphacentauri
@Masc Pride: I’m sure the guy who did encounter the bully was a bottom as most men apparently are bottoms. I’m personally not a bottom and I was bullied in HS by bigots but I either fought back and punched them, or a threatened to do it when they least expected it.
Markusfittt
Two words: Donkey Punch.
Doughosier
People can grow from who they were in High School.
Andrew Allen
Funnily enough I have a similar story. At school I had to catch a bus home and always without fail this one particular guy at the back would yell “hey faggot” and laugh with his mates, always trying to get my attention.
I dreaded home time every single day. I just put my head down and always sat in the front ignoring him as best I could.
About maybe 5 years later a guy messages me on scruff and I see the same guys’ photo asking me if I want to have “fun”.
All I did was block him, but it just me so angry and upset
Karl McDougal-Orosco
Somehow I’m not surprised by this
Maleko
@Captain Obvious: The emotional weight of his crappy childhood is still beating him up; it can be a heavy burden that just never goes away. Forgiveness is the way out of this, the only way out of this. His anger, probably very justifiable, is hurting him, not the ex-bully. Obviously, you can’t forget, but forgiveness doesn’t have anything to do with forgetting; by forgiving you can remove the emotional burden you placed on yourself. Some things are so cruel that it seems impossible to ever forgive, I know that first hand. But stop and think, many of the churchgoers forgave the murderous shooter at the church in South Carolina earlier this year. I’m not sure how they did that so totally and so quickly, but they are better people than I. Amazing Grace was an act, not a song. (I really, really don’t like that song, btw)
dustashed
@Cam: i had the same thought. I place “lol” alot out of habit even in situations where it would seem awkward and weird. Sometimes a clear cut “i am sorry” is never there but the intention of reaching out and talking to the people you have hurt before is sufficient enough.
In my case, i have met a few of my former bullies in social settings with shared friends. There was never a “im sooo sorrry for what i did back then”. It’s just understood, he made a mistake back then and the way he engages and talks to you right now is not the same person he was back then. Or maybe im just a person who forgives easily.. Especially when i see that that bully of many years ago no longer exists. But then it’s a case to case basis as well, there are one or two specific bullies from my past why i just don’t want to deal with or bother to be “ok” with.. Especially since they are still the same person they were only older
Cam
@alphacentauri:
So you are saying that you fought back because you aren’t a bottom and bottoms don’t do that?
Funny that you claim you’re a top but you’very obviously never slept with a Marine, a Cop, an Army Ranger, etc…
Masc Pride
@Cam: They are both adult men now. Whatever happened before is most likely at least a decade behind them. If he chooses to be a victim in the present, then yes, that is his fault. Outside of the gay community, you won’t find many adult men that are totally into embracing being victims (and crying about it like they’re raped women). It’s pathetic.
AtticusBennett
@Masc Pride: and comments like yours are only ever made by homely, unimpressive perpetually-closeted lying cowards whose boastful claims of manliness are not only flat-out lies, but proven false with every anonymous, trolling, worthless thing they say.
you’re a textbook example of what happens to a man who never grows a spine. anonymous internet troll for life.
dustashed
Sometimes you just gotta forgive.. not because they asked for it, but because you deserve peace. Albeit i admit that some bullies are easier to forgive than others. Case to case basis i guess.