He’s glad he’s not effeminate? Well the feeling is mutual lady, I’m glad I’m not you.
I kind of feel like this is why I do what I do. Why I’m not just a homo, but A BIG ONE. Being an effeminate gay man still remains an unforgivable sin in our masculinity obsessed culture. I think about all the young sissy boys who return from school after being bullied and shamed day after day, perhaps returning home to the same treatment. I know because I was one of those kids. Was? I still am! I still get it in the neck for being who I am. I’ve spoken to so many non gender conforming youth who have the same recognizable look of despair on their faces . All they need to hear is that they’re fine exactly the way they are. That there’s nothing wrong. That they haven’t killed anyone . That they’re worthy of love and acceptance , AS IS. Perhaps if they heard that they’d stand up for themselves. Perhaps if they heard that they wouldn’t be four times as likely to commit suicide than their straight peers. Perhaps if we were all encouraged to love ourselves from the beginning we wouldn’t grow up to be gay men who treat other gay men like shit. I’m in no way outraged by this. I’ve been hearing this since day I could mince. It’s just disappointing . We experience so much discrimination from the outside world, wouldn’t it be great if we were kinder to each other in our own community? There are a billion reasons to feel actual shame and remorse. Being your authentic, fabulous, faggy self shouldn’t be one of them.
Sincerely ,
Alec Mapa
Professional Effeminate Homosexual for nearly 50 years.”
— The comic actor in a Facebook post referencing Russell Tovey‘s comment that he’s glad he’s not effeminate
Dev.C
Amen to that Mr. Mapa!
MisterDemand
Who?
MisterDemand
I think fem guys are fine the way they are. I also think masc guys are fine the way they are. Is there anything to disagree about here?
Giancarlo85
Who? Mr Mapa is an actor too.
Way to go Alec! Tovey is a tool with a peanut brain who deliberately alienated and insulted a group of people. I don’t think there is really anymore argument about what that idiot said.
demented
He’s a professional? He gets money from being effeminate?
Wilberforce
I don’t see the problem. Tovey was talking about playing straight characters, of which there are tons in Hollywood, and which you can’t do if you mince. Big whoop. Mapa is hilarious, but I think the queens are just looking for an excuse here.
DarkZephyr
@MisterDemand: MisterDemand, there is no claim that masculine gay men are not fine the way they are. Alec Mapa is merely speaking out against those who shame feminine gay men such as Russell Tovey who proclaimed about how GLAD he is that he is not a “prancing” effeminate gay man. If you are a masculine gay man who is not shaming feminine gay men then great! That statement wasn’t about you. 🙂
DarkZephyr
@Wilberforce: See, your words would have been more worthy of consideration if you had not used the word “queens” to refer to “fem” gay men. The fact that you think of your effeminate gay brothers as “queens” speaks volumes.
Giancarlo85
@Wilberforce: Tovey basically said that effeminate gay men are weak. His argument was terrible. Perhaps you should actually read what he said. But then again I don’t think the guy has much going on in his brain to begin with.
Tovey was attacking effeminate gay men like me and making us out to be less… going back to Stonewall, effeminate gay men, drag queens, trans and lesbians were the ones taking most of the abuse. They were the ones on the frontlines. And they still are to this day trying to make change.
KwisatzHaderach
Geez. All this manufactured outrage! Tovey didn’t say anything disparaging about femme gays, only that he was glad to be the way he was!
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: What manufactured outrage? His words speak louder for themselves.
He basically elevated himself above feminine gay men. Tovey is a disgrace and is no representative of anyone except his own distorted views.
lauraspencer
Let’s see how Tovey gets cast in roles in the near future. Not because he can’t play straight because he is so “masculine,” but because the femme casting directors (and there are a bunch of them)are going to show Tovey who really is the man.
KwisatzHaderach
@Giancarlo85: You’re a lunatic with a persecution complex. Tovey’s comments were only about himself. He didn’t make any judgement calls on other people. His life experiences (growing up in a working class area and school) made him into the person he is today and he’s happy with that. So what?
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: You’re a hypocrite. Did you actually read his comments? When talking about himself, he compared himself to others. He did make judgment calls on others. You must be one of his fanboys… incapable of realizing he is wrong. By the way, dude… I grew up in poverty and in public schools. And even I will say he is wrong.
I doubt Tovey is going to do much after these comments… his career is going to be hurting after these dumbass comments.
KwisatzHaderach
@lauraspencer: Maybe those femme casting directors can hire Alec Mapa… for something? When was the last time he worked? That Subpurgatory show?
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: Oh yes like the hypocrite you are go after another actor…
Seems like you are just like him…
Can’t stand the two faced hypocrisy that exist in the gay community.
KwisatzHaderach
@Giancarlo85: And growing up in poverty and public school obviously turned you into a angry and resentful individual who easily takes offense. Tovey, instead, used those experiences to make himself a better actor. As someone on Reddit said, being closeted and “covering” (in the Kenji Yoshino sense) is like constant improv acting. It’s why he is able to convincingly play straight.
jwtraveler
Big applause for Alec Mapa. The world needs more like him and fewer Russell Toveys and fewer femophobes (I think I just coined a new term) like the many we, unfortunately, see commenting here.
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: Err wrong. You seem to be more upset and angry that people are criticizing your favorite actor. What do I easily take offence to? Tovey is a terrible role model for LGBT people. Being closeted and covering doesn’t help one to be a good actor. There are many examples of out gay men who play straight roles just fine.
Russell Tovey has a lot of internal homophobia it appears. I hope he gets the counseling he needs.
Giancarlo85
And please don’t cite reddit again. That site is trash. If you think an out gay feminine man can’t act in a different role than himself you are hugely ignorant.
KwisatzHaderach
@Giancarlo85: Mapa is the one who inserted himself into this conversation. Like seriously, WHO?!
jwtraveler
@KwisatzHaderach: If I declare publicly that I’m glad I’m not a Muslim or a woman or a gun-toting redneck, am I just talking about myself? Would you argue that I’m in no way disparaging Muslims, women or gun-toting rednecks? See if you can answer without sounding like an ass.
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: Just like you inserted yourself in this conversation to show how much of a fem bashing bigot you are. Hypocrite. You really are an ass.
KwisatzHaderach
It’s too bad that Eric Stonestreet beat Mapa out for the role of Cam. Maybe if he had steady work, he wouldn’t have time to write attention-seeking Facebook posts…
KwisatzHaderach
@jwtraveler:
He didn’t say he was glad that he wasn’t effeminate only that he was happy being the way he is.
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: You really are a big fan boy of Tovey… Who is a mediocre actor at best.
KwisatzHaderach
A mediocre actor with more range than someone like Alec Mapa… which was the entire point of Tovey’s response in his interview.
Giancarlo85
@KwisatzHaderach: The fanboyism continues… Insult Mapa in order to build up Tovey. My point isn’t even about Mapa anymore. You are a condescending ass, that’s all. You can’t stand effeminate gay men. We get it.
Toveys career will nose dive after this. Trust me.
KwisatzHaderach
Maybe when he’s out of work, he can go have Sunday brunch in WeHo with Mapa and Sean Hayes, really hash this out. They’ll have nothing better to do I’m sure…
cajuninvegas
Oh for the love of everything evil!!! Everyone has the Freedom of Speech. I know, I went to war to help provide it to each and every American citizen. The Russell has he Freedom to say what he wants when it concerns him. If anything, Mapa needs to un-bunch his panties and pull them out of the crack of his butt and live and let live!!!!! Jeez, STFU already!!!!!!
Giancarlo85
@cajuninvegas: And people have freedom to criticize dumbass comments too. And nobody is silencing Tovey. He is free to stick his own foot in his mouth all he wants. In fact I love freedom of speech… You find out the stupid ones real fast!
So… Maps should keep his mouth quiet and Tovey should say all he wants? Double standard.
DuchessOfMilton
@cajuninvegas: I suppose the irony of braying like a jackass about “freedom of speech” for Tovey while telling Mapa to “STFU” is too complicated and nuanced a concept for your fly’s mind to grasp. OK, carry on, dear.
DuchessOfMilton
@cajuninvegas: Also, no, you didn’t “go to war to help provide [free speech] to each and every American citizen.” You’re full of shit. Freedom of speech for Americans has never been threatened, ever. So sit down and have a nice soda and a Moon Pie and follow your own “STFU” suggestion.
Kangol
Yesssss, Miss Thing, preach!
Xzamilio
@cajuninvegas: Yeah but then doesn’t Mapa have that same Freedom of Speech? And don’t start that “defended our freedom” crap because I served in Iraq and Afghanistan, and I can tell you now, our freedoms were never in jeopardy. It’s called free speech, not consequence free speech, so please don’t with the red herrings.
Paco
@cajuninvegas: cajuninvegas said: “Stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!! !!!!!!!!”
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Freedom of speech doesn’t work that way, sunshine. It doesn’t mean freedom from being criticized because of your speech.
jwtraveler
@KwisatzHaderach: Really, is that what he said?
“I feel like I could have been really effeminate, if I hadn’t gone to the school I went to…. I thank my dad for that, for not allowing me to go down that path.”
MisterDemand
@DarkZephyr:
I do not think Tovey shamed or put down anyone with his comments. If you read the full article his intention is very clear. He’s talking about himself and only himself, and how he’s balanced his masculinity with other factors and struggles in his life,( body image, being attacked with a knife etc) There are numerous gay performers and outlets singing the praises of being “fabulous”, “queeny”, and not to mention drag-culture.
I find it curious every time a gay star like Tovey or Tuc Watkins talks about the positives of masculinity or how they like being masculine, it gets tons of backlash.( including in the Queerty comments that slammed Tovey has being a stupid, muscular, homophobe)
demented
@cajuninvegas: Freedom of speech refers to not being censored or punished by the government, not that you can say whatever you like without repercussions.
@jwtraveler: Yeah, replace “effeminate” with any negative quality, and the tone remains the same. Pretty judgy, I think!
@lauraspencer: Actually he kind of sucks playing straight. In “Being Human” he had no sexual energy with the actress playing his wife.
DuchessOfMilton
@MisterDemand: Are you seriously trying to suggest that there’s something radical, or groundbreaking, or brave, or epic in touting “the positives of masculinity or how they like being masculine” in a culture that demeans and degrades femininity in men, and exalts masculinity to the skies? Seriously? Come on now. Give your head a shake, sunshine.
Paco
@MisterDemand: “I find it curious every time a gay star like Tovey or Tuc Watkins talks about the positives of masculinity or how they like being masculine, it gets tons of backlash.”
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I find it curious why so many self-described masculine gay men are unable to speak about the positives of masculinity without also contrasting it by mentioning effeminate men and specifically the stereotypes of effeminate men. Both Tovey and Watkins did that. If self-described masculine gay men don’t want backlash from effeminate gay men, then they need to stop using them as a negative comparison to cover up there own feelings of inadequacy. Compare yourselves to other masculine men, or are you guys afraid you won’t measure up?
DuchessOfMilton
@Paco: Oh yes. ^ That. Thanks, Paco.
Arcamenel
Love Alec Mapa and he hit it out of the park with this. Screw Tovey.
DarkZephyr
@KwisatzHaderach: “A mediocre actor with more range than someone like Alec Mapa… which was the entire point of Tovey’s response in his interview.”
It doesn’t matter if you are “effeminate” in real life if you can act. This was not about acting range at all.
IvanPH
Alec who?
He’s an actor according to this article. So how is being a sissy gay man worked for him as an actor? I am not even aware of any movie or TV show he was in.
Acting masculine has helped Russell Tovey land many roles (gay or straight) and a household name especially in the UK.
Giancarlo85
@MisterDemand: You just don’t get it. Those effeminate actors talk about themselves. Tovey did not. When Tovey made these comments he mischaracterized a whole group of people. Maybe that wasn’t his intention, but that is what happened.
And yes I did read the entire article and that is what I saw. As far as him landing big roles and such because of his masculinity… I doubt it. It is more about connections… And I doubt after this he will do well at all, considering he really is just another run of the mill mediocre actor.
blessingyou
@cajuninvegas: The first amendment limits THE GOVERNMENT’S right to impede on our free speech. THE GOVERNMENT cannot make a law that prohibits our assembly or impinges on the rights of the press. Sure, the government cannot limits Tovey’s right to communicate his thoughts, despite that he’s a narcissistic mo-fo. However, companies can choose not to work with him for his hate speech, and people can choose not to go see his work because of his hate speech. People can also choose to bring him down a notch by criticizing his unenlightened views. In fact, it’s important to do so. There are, I assume, a lot of young fem boys reading this website, and internalizing the homophobia inherent in Tovey’s words. It is important that anyone who sees through this hate speak that so these youngsters, or anyone affected, can have help in offsetting their own shame or internalized homophobia.
blessingyou
And thanks Alec Mapa. I hadn’t heard of you, but you have a new fan!
Kieran
I support Alex Mapa’s right to be as effeminate and camp as he wants to be, just as I support Russell Tovey’s right to be as masculine as he wants to be. This shouldn’t be controversial. There are as many different types of gays as there are types of straights. Vive le difference!
Giancarlo85
@blessingyou: Exactly.
To put it directly… freedom of speech means one can criticize something stupid someone else says. Freedom of speech doesn’t put a protective shield around someone.
If somebody says something stupid, like what Tovey has done, people have a right to criticize him. Freedom of speech goes both ways. Some conservatives (like cajuninvegas) like to hide behind freedom of speech in order to protect their hate speech from critism.
nightside23
This is all so stupid, and it’s not Toveys fault anymore. This is a high school scenario where a female jock is glad shes not a girly girl, and the girly girls are taking offense. So he said something that offended you. That doesn’t make him a bad person. I’m sure you all have friends that say offensive things all the time, but I highly doubt you will vilify them like you have with Tovey. It’s people like @Giancarlo85 who are not thick skinned and have to lash out at anything that could be remotely offensive that give all gays a bad name. They represent the bitchy queen that people love to stereotype and vilify because they are bitchy and overreact to any insult. Grow the fuck up.
If you actually read between the lines in the article, you will understand that he is saying that if he had grown up more effeminate at his school, he would have been bullied even more that he had been. His way of dealing with the bully was to become more masculine, and he is now happy that he is a masculine guy. I’m happy that I’m a masculine guy. The fact that people are reading into this too much is sad. Was he thinking about his statement overly much when he made it? Probably not. But now anybody that thinks this is offensive are taking it out on him because they can. Freedom of speech wont protect you from backlash, but it will show the true colors of those that attack him. But people that don’t want to see it that way wont. Such is the powers of self delusion.
Giancarlo85
@nightside23: You don’t even know how to read. I am more thick skinned than some uber masculine fake like you. Lets see how you handle that! You are the one that needs to grow up you immature insecure ass. I can’t even begin to describe how stupid your comments are. Do you know me? I have had a tough growing up and apparently I am more secure in myself than an arrogant fool like you.
And if you think I am a bitchy queen you are a bigger tool than I thought. Grow up and leave feminine gay guys alone, you insecure little man.
Giancarlo85
Freedom of speech shows the true insecure morons like nightside and Tovey, those insecure tools who need to justify their fake masculinity.
nightside23
@giancarlo85, I’m not insecure, I know exactly who I am and I know how other people work as well. You, from your comments and (supposed) insults toward me, never left high school. Resorting to name calling shows you can’t even be civil over something this trivial. It’s sad.
You know who you remind me of? Bill O’Rielly and Fox news. Anytime somebody says something they don’t agree with, they attack that person in the exact same manner as you are done right now. They, too, also like to take the part of any article that works for them and runs with it, without acknowledging the entirety of where they got it from.
I read the entire article. It was in no way offensive if you read it as a whole, because it was solely about Tovey himself. Taking a few sentences from that article that could be construed as offensive by themselves and writing that that’s what the entire article about is miss informative to others. It is damaging to not only Toveys identity, but to the credibility of the writer that said it.
I don’t know you, but that doesn’t matter, as you readily reveal yourself in your comments. Your attack on anybody who either supports Tovey or says that what he said doesn’t matter is revealing a very angry person who is taking his anger out on everybody and not getting the help that he needs. Everybody is Entitled to their own thoughts and opinions. Attacking those thoughts and opinions is what the far right Christian nut job like to do, and you are a perfect example of their polar opposite. I don’t want to know you because from what I’ve read, your a very caustic person, like Perez Hilton.
You can say what you want about yourself and how hard your life has been. I honestly do not care. Saying you are thick skinned doesn’t mean you are. if you were truly thick skinned, you would never have responded the way you did.
Please read my last three sentences in my first comment, because that describes you accurately.
P.S. I don’t bother fem guys in the first place. The ones I know can a) stand up for themselves, b) take a joke, c) not be offended by stupid shit and d) be proud of who they are without attacking others.
Giancarlo85
@nightside23: You’re an insecure pompous ass who couldn’t help but take it out on me. You don’t know my history or who I am. Or what my past was like. You insulted me in a far worse way, but you know what? I don’t care. I’ve heard it a million times. Funny how gay men like yourself resort to homophobic attacks. You’re being conditioned by society and trying to downplay others in the gay community who aren’t you.
You are exactly like Bill O’Reilly. You’re a despicable wretched individual with a serious chip on your shoulder. Feminine men seem to make you all defensive because it’s an assault on your own world views of what a man should be like.
I read the entire interview myself and Tovey obviously doesn’t have much brain power. His tone was quite clear. Nobody took a few sentences out of context. It’s all there and quite clear.
And no I didn’t “readily reveal myself in my comments”. I criticize people who defend this douchebag Russell Tovey who seems to have issues with feminine gay men. I’ve seen feminine gay men who are more manly than he’ll ever be.
And I never said people weren’t entitled to their own opinions. Have whatever opinion you want. Keep in mind, it’s all fair game.
You’re a bigot and it’s quite clear in your anti-feminine stances and in your attacks on me as a person. No, you don’t know me and no you can’t pick up on who I am based on a few lines on the internet I wrote by a cell phone.
I am definitely thick skinned. You, however, are a little coward who hides under a fake persona because you’re not secure enough for the reality. You’re a hateful little man indeed.
“be proud of who they are without attacking others.”
Thanks for showing how much of a HYPOCRITE YOU ARE. If you were truly proud of yourself, you wouldn’t have had to insult me in your original post. You truly are a self hating hypocrite.
nightside23
You just don’t get it @ giancarlo85. And you never will. Sad.
As you said, you don’t know me, yet you obviously judge me on not much context. So that makes you just as much a hypocrite as it does me, or more so.
I’m at least empathetic enough to see it from his (Tovey’s) point of view, and the view point of all others. I feel pity for those such as you, stuck in their own worlds with their limited views on everything.
By attacking me again, after saying you dont care “You insulted me in a far worse way, but you know what? I don’t care. I’ve heard it a million times.” shows that you do, in fact care.
I don’t downplay people in the gay community (much), but I wont raise them up either.
Comparing me Bill O’Rielly after I compared you to him is pretty sad and unoriginal. You could have at least gone for Palin, Bhoener or any other idiot. I at the very least consider the opposing viewpoints. Just because I don’t write about them, doesn’t mean I haven’t thought about them.
And while I do have a bit of a chip (which i have no problem admitting), it’s a far more realistic one than the one you have.
Where was I defensive in my worldviews? Your the one attacking anybody that doesn’t agree with your opinion. None of my ‘attacks’ were homophobic. I was pointing out not only the obvious but also the general view of many peoples, though of course not all.
And the way people write, words they use and the tone of their writing can all reveal how you feel and think. Psychology 101. or 102. Not sure which one you learn that in.
By attacking people for their opinions, you are saying their opinion is worthless/inaccurate and they are not entitled to it. Prejudiced people like you always attack others opinions. This is a fact. Perfect example are quite a few Republicans and, again, Fox News.
I have never had an anti-feminine stance, just an anti-intellectual and anti-ass stance.
I am proud of myself for. I am embarrassed as a gay man because of you and how you are currently acting. I feel like I should be apologizing to people for how you are behaving and acting. Temper tantrums such as yours are an embarrassment to everybody.
Where have I hid under a fake persona? None of what I have written is fake for me.
I am quite happy with myself. Don’t project your issues onto others. It is very unbecoming of anybody.
Giancarlo85
@nightside23: You really are just a douche… I don’t even know why I bothered wasting my time typing up that reply. Everything you have said reeks of ignorance and stupidity.
Tovey’s point of view is bullshit. Lets just keep it at that.
Go ahead and respond to me again. I’m done with this. I don’t have the time nor the energy to reply over and over again and keeping up this flame war.
My only advice to you is get your head out of your own ass and learn that people like me will always exist. And we’ll always be more out than someone like you.
I guess I’ll compare you to Dubya. Too stupid to make a real argument and too dull to keep a coherent thought. And yes you were highly homophobic in your criticism on me and you attacked my personality (insulting feminine men in the process). I guess you’re just too stupid to realize it.
And it’s funny you say you’re “anti-intellectual”. Yeah, that rings quite true in your posts. I think the phrase you are looking for is “pseudo-intellectual”. That would describe you quite well.
I don’t need you to feel embarassed for me. You are a complete utter idiot and I won’t be apologizing to anyone. If anything, you owe me an apology for assuming one too many things about me.
Go cry in the corner kid. You have obvious psychological traumas and that isn’t my issue.
Giancarlo85
By the way, Mr Anti-Intellectual (you said it yourself)… my world views are far greater than your own. You are a closed minded bigot who likes to pick on vocal feminine gay men. We get it already…
Deal with your internal homophobia and then we’ll discuss this another day.
McShane
Wow, welcome to the Tonight Show with Giancarlo85. Tonight’s guests include, Giancarlo85. With a special appearance by Giancarlo85, and musical guest Giancarlo85.
Whatever, Alec Mapa is right.
nightside23
Ok, I will say I made a mistake by saying anti-intellectual. I ment to say anti-anti-intellectual. Or, in you case, Anti- Bigot/Narrow mindedness/stupidity. Was thinking of something else while writing it. My apologies to smart people everywhere for that comment.
Giancarlo85
@nightside23: Considering you are narrow minded, bigoted and stupid, are you anti-yourself? That must suck.
grahambower
Gym muscles are one thing. Having the guts to be true to yourself is real strength.
Loved every word of this post. Bravo.
MufferawJoe
@IvanPH: I second your motion !
Jacob23
lol! These effeminate “faggy” men (to use Mapa’s own word) don’t seem very secure in themselves. All the wailing and whining. They obviously care what others think about them. Well, they are just re-learning what they already knew: 99% of the world is mildly nauseated by male effeminacy. It will never be adjudged equal. And it shouldn’t. It isn’t an immutable part of a man’s being. Mannerisms change. That you sashay down the hall or snap your fingers is not a fixed aspect of your life. People like Mapa pretend that it is because it gets them off the hook for their masculinity fail.
PS
Mapa was on a short-lived TV show called “Some Of My Best Friends.” It aired about 15 years ago and it lasted maybe 6 episodes. Mapa played the wacky, over-the-top upstairs neighbor. I think that clips from the show are on Youtube. Tovey is doing quite a bit better for himself.
Giancarlo85
@Jacob23: Mapa has been on other shows other than that one.
And I actually see it the other way. I think these masculine men are the ones that are quite insecure, always lashing out at feminine men. And lovely set of stereotypes you posted… It is quite true some gay men are conditioned by society and homophobic themselves. What have these masculine closet cases done for the gay community anyways? Effeminate gay men are the ones on the frontline and changing minds. Certainly not Russell Tovey.
By the way, many gay men are naturally effeminate. Maybe you need to learn a thing or two.
DuchessOfMilton
@Jacob23: Jacob, first lesson for you: truly masculine men don’t talk about it at all. In fact, you sound like someone who is struggling to keep your feet on the floor. No authentically masculine man would spend as much time as you just spent on your badly-written post declaring how awful “faggy” gay men are. Did you happen to notice the army of masculine straight men shutting down the Internet asserting their masculinity as part of this story? No? You didn’t? You know why, don’t you…? Because they aren’t.
Secondly, in addition to having just done the festival circuit with ALEC MAPA’S BABY DADDY, Mapa just co-starred in a children’s movie. He’s also busy doing something that you’ll probably never understand the value of: raising a family. Now, how about you just pour yourself another gallon of Femme-B-Gone and do a few more pushups? Your own pink is showing, however hard you wish if looked like blue in this light.
JROBGF
Yup. Jumping on the definition bandwagon is always laudable – and as appropriate as Mr. Tovey’s comments. ‘Girls, girls, there’s enough high heels for everyone!’ Maybe we all might be better directed to embracing our diversity than degrading ourselves by hissy-fits. This event? Still respect Mr. Tovey. Can’t say I feel the same about Mr. Mapa (and I always used to appreciate his take-me-as-I-am attitude!)
JROBGF
@DuchessOfMilton: That sound? My two hands clapping!
JROBGF
@Giancarlo85: Just gotta say – very naïve! You will come to discover that the most ‘butch’ of men – you seem to appreciate the labels – are the biggest bottoms you will ever meet. That nelly old queen that works at the post office? One raving heterosexual. Thing is – Mr. Tovey’s comments may have been ill-conceived – I do not believe in his supposition about environment anymore than I believe that my Mother made me a homosexual – but his comments were off-the-cuff, and, as far as I can discern, honest. It was Mr. Mapa who hauled out the soap box. And, need I mention, hauled in some press! Best embrace who you are – once you figure that out…
JROBGF
@blessingyou: Sorry. About to retire about this all, but your comment about never having heard of Mr. Mapa? Kinda one of my points, and it just proves why I have lost respect for him – you never heard of him until he whipped out his soap box in outrage over some comment an actor with a currently successful career made in an interview? Opportunist, thy name is bitter failed sit-com fourth banana!
JROBGF
@MisterDemand: Mapa. You know – he auditioned for ‘American Idol’ a couple of years back.
JROBGF
@lauraspencer: Okay. Been doing film, theatre, and television for over thirty-years. Am actually on IMDB – not that that means anything – but, fact is, in all those years? Never ONCE meant a casting director with a penis. And if you ever read film credits (like any good film person does – we’re always those guys blocking your way out at the end of ‘Despicable Me 14′) you might realize that most casting directors do have good reason to use the ladies’ room. Mr. Tovey is an actor. Mr. Mapa is a punch line.
ApolloDionysus
Oh please, he knows damn well if he could be masculine and attractive he would be it in a heartbeat. But he isn’t, so all he has is whining and being envious.
Giancarlo85
@JROBGF: You have no clue what you are talking about. I don’t like labels. His comments were moronic and crude.
DuchessOfMilton
@ApolloDionysus: Are you really so simpleminded and unsophisticated that you think “masculine” and “attractive” automatically go together? Mr. Mapa is certainly attractive—very much so, and certainly to his husband. Really, are you masculinity-obsessed queens entirely sure you haven’t just crawled out of a time machine from 1950?
And sorry…”whining?” He isn’t whining, he’s owning. It’s insects like yourself who can’t tell the difference who usually wind up riding headlights on the Interstate.