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7 Possible Names For Greg Gutfeld’s Muslim Gay Bar

We are very excited for the groundbreaking of Fox News host Greg Gutfeld’s new Ground Zero gay bar aimed at Muslim men. So while Greg finds the space, a manager, and secures a liquor license, we consulted with some of the branding industry’s finest experts (read: to find out what sort of semi-offensive names he could use to name the place.

Allahu Akbar. Dude, it’s got “bar” in the title. ‘Nough said.

Fag Head. It’s time to take back that terrible “rag head” term and flip it into something equally offensive for the gays. And be realistic: This is exactly the type of name Greg would use.

Zobr & Zubber’s. We’ll pretend those are the proprietiers’ names, but in reality it’s how you’d say “Dick & Cock.” After all, “The Zubber” is already taken.

The Gutter. A semi-eponymous nod to the bar’s owner, it also connotes the feeling of a dive bar, which Greg’s venue most certainly will be. Unless:

Apparently that’s “The Roxy” in Arabic, and wouldn’t it be nice to see the rollerskating mega-club make its grand return in the Financial District?

Duong To Duong. It’s Arabic slang for “face to face,” as in how you meet guys (offline), but to English speakers it conveys the necessary cruise-y message.

R-A-M-Z-I. A basic way to say “gay,” but we can hyphenate it like London’s G-A-Y to be more awesome.

Okay, your turn.

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  • whatever

    Whoa, he became such a fatass. Wha happen?

  • adam

    the hell?

  • VagrantMan

    Yup, fighting ignorance with ignorance sounds like a great idea.

  • James Davis

    Call me ignorant if you want but I find great humour in the name Allahu Ak-BAR

  • Tallskin

    @James Davis – actually I think you stole that idea from the muslims hamburger bar – Allah MacBar

  • Don

    Hows about “The Cock Pit” in Arabic “W?ldyk ?frh”

  • Cam

    Personal opinion. Just name it something normal. The bar itself is going to be the issue. If you give it some cheeky name, anybody who protests it can always play the phony “Oh, I’m not a bigot, it’s just the NAME of the bar thats insulting” card.

    Ok, now that I got my little PC rant out of the way…if the bar has exotic dancers he could call it “The Gaza Strip”.

  • Roger Rabbit

    lol, fun!
    Either Akbar Akbar or Dante’s Inferno!

  • B

    How about “69 Virgins” (OK, so we are off a little).

    … it will sound kind of chaste being near to a mosque
    going up in the same area.

  • DX

    The whole idea of a “Muslim gay bar” is ridiculous. But not quite as ridiculous as this guy’s reasoning that he wants to open one because “Muslims are homophobic.” I would imagine most sane people realize that anyone holding fundamentalist religious views, whether Christian (in particular, Catholic), Jewish, or Muslim are all taught homosexuality is wrong and raised to be homophobic.

    How the hell would opening up a gay bar for Muslims turn the homophobes around? Out gay Muslims have either reconciled their sexuality with their faith or rejected Islam’s interpretation of homosexuality as evil, so I’d assume they go to all gay bars anyway. And I doubt straight Muslims are lining up to visit a gay bar to have their real or perceived bigotry slapped out of them.

    I’d love to see this guy’s business plan for raising money for this venture, unless he’s using his own money, in which case by all means…go for it.

  • menlo

    Veil of Queers?

  • James Davis

    @Cam: “The Gaza Strip” can be for the night with strippers.

  • RomanHans


  • Ogre Magi

    It won’t work at all.

    First of all, nobody is going to trek down to Lower Manhattan to go to a gay bar. There’s no night life down there and all the other gay bars are elsewhere.

    Second, it’s not like gay Muslims are sneaking around disguised so they won’t be recognized – this is frickin’ NYC, not rural Saudi Arabia. NYC’s gay Muslims attend the same gay bars that everyone else uses.

    Third, gays don’t just flock to a place because it’s gay – it has to be cool and popular. A bar where alcohol isn’t served run by conservative Republicans isn’t likely to have that wow-factor that sophisticated NYC clientele are looking for.

  • James Davis

    @Ogre Magi: I think you are missing the point. The point being that while just like the Mosque or Community Center, it is perfectly legal to open this sort of establishment with any of the offensive names we’ve mentioned it doesn’t make it the right things to do, and certainly neither are going to build any bridges.

  • B

    No. 12 · DX wrote, “The whole idea of a ‘Muslim gay bar’ is ridiculous.” Why is it ridiculous? I’ve met gay Muslims who like to drink alcoholic beverages. Let’s just say that they are not particularly religious, but they are technically Muslim if only so that their mothers won’t worry.

  • Disgusted Gay American

    If this guy had any REAL intent of doing something to “mend Bridges”so it’s called…he’d open up some kind of LGBT/Str8 all welcome Community center. Call it Peace House.

  • Blue

    I’m Muslim but why on earth would I want to go to an exculsively Muslim bar without alcohol? I’ll go to a regular bar, get drunk and hit on cute guys. Seriously, it’s NYC. I’m not oppressed and I’m pretty comfortable with my sexuality. I still support the building of the Islamic center. It’s religious freedom. They can build whatever they like next to it. It won’t change a thing and I hope they don’t give in to pressure. Call me whatever you like, I’m entitled to my opinion.

  • hephaestion

    @DX: There is a gay Muslim bar in Amsterdam. It was featured on one of those travel shows on Logo.

  • Bubba

    The Towel Rack.

  • paul

    Actually, that bit of Arabic script reads, “in roxy.” “The Roxy” would be one word, with an “al-” prefix.

    Yes I took one semester of beginners Arabic. Yes I’m going to crow about it.

  • adam

    btw I’d like some more revealing pics of this guy.

  • Axel

    Insallah….God Willing.

  • Ryan

    NOM just announced that it will be building its new headquarters next to the ground zero Gay Bar…and it goes on and on and on. At this rate, ground zero will be completely rebuilt and it will look like a fun, colorful circus.


    @Ryan: If NOM is going to build there you just know Maggot Gallagher is going to insist on an all you can eat buffet resturant also that has to be open 24/7……….

  • Joe

    How about Xanadu-Koran’adu’

  • randy

    Akbar and Jeff

  • Nickadoo

    @DX: The whole idea of a “Muslim gay bar” is ridiculous. But not quite as ridiculous as this guy’s reasoning that he wants to open one because “Muslims are homophobic.”

    Ding ding ding. Yeah, of course it is. It’s an obvious troll and attempt at humor from a Fox News douche bag: “Let’s divert attention from Christian homophobia and point out Islamic homophobia.” Hardy-har-har. Can’t you see how FUNNY that is?

    I eagerly await a response from two Silverlake bars, Akbar (which is neither predominantly Muslim nor Middle Eastern) and Club Nur (which *IS* a Middle Eastern themed gay event).

    And need I point out the obvious joke names: Al Queer-da and The Queer’an?

  • DX


    OK, evidently you’ve interpreted my saying that the whole idea of a Muslim gay bar is ridiculous to mean that I’m implying the very notion is an oxymoron, which wasn’t my point at all. I simply don’t see any valid reason to have a bar exclusively affiliated with or aimed at patrons of a particular religion.

    Now couple this with the fact that it is not a Muslim who thought this was something that is needed for their community, but a non-Muslim who probably knows nothing about the spectrum of beliefs or values of his target clientele, and who is on record as saying he wanted to open one because Muslims are homophobic (while also mentioning he wants it to be a reconciliatory gesture!), and it becomes quite distasteful and condescending.

    I’d just rather we don’t have exclusive or exclusionary establishments in the gay community. I’d rather not go to a Muslim bar to meet gay Muslims just like I wouldn’t want to go to a Jewish bar to meet Jewish gays. While it might be an outdated hippie concept I’d just rather we all mix together until we’re a community of people with some kind of decent, shared values instead of erecting more and more effigies to our differences.

    Now the guy opening this bar I find particularly offensive because I don’t believe for a minute that he has any noble reason for doing what he’s doing. I think calling this place a Muslim bar is a cynical, opportunistic and pre-conceived effort at garnering free publicity for the place before it opens, and the minute he realizes the place won’t survive on this pretext, which will be pretty soon, he’ll drop the Muslim angle like a brick.

    And apart from the fact that you evidently misunderstood my point, the reasoning of your post escapes me. Of course there are gay Muslims who like to drink alcohol. What do you think they’ve been doing up to now, depriving themselves of the pleasure until Allah’s proxy on earth in the form of the Grand Ayatollah Greg Gutfeld issues the following decree:

    “My dear gay Muslim borthers (disclaimer 1: please disregard the fact that I’m not Muslim):

    The blessed day has finally arrived. By the power vested in me by Allah, I am opening a bar just for you long-suffering folk. But this isn’t just any kind of skanky gay bar like the evil Cock on Second Avenue. No, this is a MUSLIM gay bar, within praying distance of the soon to be built Corodoba Mosque. Here (disclaimer 2: and ONLY here), you righteous gay Muslims are free to come, socialize, suck cock in the bathroom and wash the taste out your mouths with as much alcohol as the tolerance Allah has afforded you.”

    Give me a break. Gay Muslims in New York who want to drink, drink at the hundreds of gay bars already in the city. You’ve probably bumped into scores of them. This may surprise some, but most of the time you really can’t tell who is Muslim just by looking at them; you know, like the gays.

    But in a time in the US where there is such rampant Islamophobia that even the Anti-Defamation League opposes the building of a mosque, I don’t think further “othering” Muslims by graciously opening a Muslim bar so they can mingle apart from “us” is in either their interest or New Yorkers at large (if we don’t simply take for granted that we are all-welcoming and open-minded and actually try to be). We all just limit ourselves by doing this. So, I have no idea what to name this misguided enterprise, but I would like to see a plaque placed at the entrance quoting the great mystical Persian poet Rumi:

    “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

    Apologies for the long rant.

  • B

    No. 33 · DX wrote, “@B: OK, evidently you’ve interpreted my saying that the whole idea of a Muslim gay bar is ridiculous to mean that I’m implying the very notion is an oxymoron, which wasn’t my point at all. I simply don’t see any valid reason to have a bar exclusively affiliated with or aimed at patrons of a particular religion.”

    When you simply say, “The whole idea of a ‘Muslim gay bar’ is ridiculous,” that’s a pretty cut and dried statement. But otherwise, why not have a bar that is aimed at patrons of a particular religion? That’s not fundamentally different than gay bars or clubs in San Francisco aimed at Latinos or Asians (although of course everyone is welcome). It’ll probably be a bar with decorations reminiscent of Islamic cultures in some way.

    Also, they plan to put it next to the new mosque, for whatever that is worth. Some guy can go the mosque with his family, arrange to stay late so the others will go home first, and then duck out and into the bar for a fun evening. Sounds rather practical for some individuals.

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  • Nickadoo

    @B: There are no bars that cater to religion. “Muslim Gay Bar” is as ridiculous as “Christian Gay Bar” (or “Muslim Bar” or “Christian Bar” for that matter).

    Bars may cater to certain pop-cultural aspects of certain races and ethnicities. But “white” culture doesn’t mean “Christian” culture, “Asian” doesn’t mean “Buddhist” or “Hindu,” any more or less than “Middle Eastern” means “Muslim.”

    A club that plays Googoosh is about as “Muslim” as the club that plays Madonna is “Christian.” It’s patently ridiculous regardless of how you look at it.

  • ewe

    Anyone like Gutfield who has dirty Matt Sanchez as a guest is only using gay men to get back at religion. It is not funny. Gratefully as one commenter posted earlier, no gay men go that far downtown at night to socialize.

  • B

    No. 36 · Nickadoo wrote, “@B: There are no bars that cater to religion.” not exactly true – heard of one in Amsterdam with a “Christian Hell” motif, complete with satanic go-go boys, or something like that.

    If there aren’t, however, that means a marketing opportunity.

    This guy wants to put the thing right next to the new mosque.
    A gay guy goes to “pray” with his family, ducks out, goes to
    the nearby bar and gets on his knees for something a little
    bit different (OK – I’m exaggerating). Seriously, though,
    if they are putting a mosque there, there must be a fair
    number of Muslims living nearby, so why not try a bar that
    would cater to them (a non-alcoholic floor for the more
    religious and a regular bar for those who are more assimilated).

    If it turns out to be a bad idea, he’ll go the way of most
    startups, but if he wants to try, why should I object? It’s
    not like I’m investing in it.

  • D'oh, The Magnificent

    There are already bars for gay Muslims:

    “Six men whirled faster and faster in the center of the nightclub, arms slung over one another’s shoulders, performing a traditional circle dance popular in Turkey and the Middle East. Nothing unusual given the German capital’s large Muslim population.”

    “European Muslims, so often portrayed one-dimensionally as rioters, honor killers or terrorists, live diverse lives, most of them trying to get by and to have a good time. That is more difficult if one is both Muslim and gay.”

    “Islam, as one of the Abrahamic religions, along with Judaism and Christianity, has rejected homosexuality from the religion’s beginning. According to mainstream Islamic beliefs, God sent the prophet Lot to the people of Sodom to preach against their wicked practices and urge them to worship God. Among these practices (as mentioned in the Quran) engaged in by the people of Sodom were homosexual acts performed out in the open. Hence, the word sodomite. The Quran (Surah Al-‘Ankabut> Verse 29) recounts what was preached to the Sodomites. “Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway? And practise wickedness (even) in your councils?”

    Diverse perspectives on homosexuality exist amongst new liberated Muslims, ranging from condemnation through to the Muslim Canadian Congress’s welcome for legislation redefining marriage to include same-sex partners. In the documentary, a number of Islamic scholars assert that the Qur’anic verse, “we created you as partners”, need not be limited to male-female couples. The documentary shows Muslim gay marriages (nikah) in the United States, Canada and India. It states that this diversity may lie at the heart of traditional Islamic practice. In the formation of the different Islamic schools of thought, which have now become different denominations, such as Maliki and Shafi, scholars accepted there could be different interpretations of Qur’anic Arabic and people could align themselves to whichever they felt represented them most. The documentary asserts that the modern-day call of the politico-religious right for a homogeneous Islam is a new invention, and not at all fundamental.”

    “Much of the issues in Islamic countries relate to a) economic oppression and b) dictatorships trying to stay in power. Gays are an excuse like they are in the West for conservative interests. You this whether it is conservative Jews, Christians or Muslims.

    A Jihad for Love (2007) is the world’s first documentary film on the coexistence of Islam and homosexuality.[2] The film is directed by Parvez Sharma, and produced by Sharma and Trembling Before G-d director Sandi DuBowski.

    The film has also been known under the working title In the Name of Allah.”

    “The title A Jihad for Love refers to the Islamic concept of jihad, as a religious struggle. The film seeks to reclaim this concept of personal struggle, as it is used in the Western media almost exclusively to mean “holy war” and to refer to violent acts perpetrated by extremist Muslims.

    The film has gone by several titles, beginning with the official working title, In the Name of Allah.[5]

    Among Muslims, the phrase (bismillah in Arabic) may be used before beginning actions, speech, or writing. Its most notable use in Al-Fatiha, the opening passage of the Qur’an, which begins Bismillahi r-Rahm?ni r-Rah?m. All surahs of the Qur’an begin with “Bismillahi r-Rahm?ni r-Rah?m,” with the exception of the ninth.

    Producer DuBowski’s previous film, Trembling Before G-d, on Orthodox and Hasidic Jews, also included the name of God, written with a hyphen as in Jewish tradition. Allah is the name of God in Islam, and it is often used among Muslims and monotheists residing in Muslim countries.”

    I see a lot of ignorance at this site. It took me about 10 minutes to Google the above info. its not as inflammatory, but it seems to reflect reality better.

    This does not mean there isn’t a lot of gay oppression. it just too easy to blame one religion over another rather than face the fact that we are assaulted and killed by many of them.

  • Ryan

    Gutfield’s a Republican thug homophobe. He’s not actually going to build a gay bar. He thinks he’s making a point by saying a gay bar is as offensive to Muslims as a Mosque is to Christians. He’s a piece of shit.

  • Jake

    Put this on BTB, but I’ll add it here too

    Naughty Arabia
    Molotov Cocktail

    That’s all I got for now.

  • reason

    @Blue: Apparently the people on here are so poorly socialized that they think that all Muslims want to behead gays at first site. Clearly they don’t have any straight Muslim friends. Also they must think that gay Muslims don’t exist, or they are for equality for their gay side and discrimination for everything else. They only remember gay Muslims when there is a picture of them hanging so they can use it to attack the entire Muslim culture. All this on a site were people are fighting for their own equality and against being discriminated against, it is ironic to see them maliciously attacking a community with slurs. They should rename the site Queertyfront, Queerigotry, or Queertidiocy. A lot of people on here do not deserve equality.

  • Rashid

    As a liberal Middle Easterner, who appreciates good humor, I find this extremely distasteful.

    Some advice? The folks at Queerty should probably take elementary Arabic before writing a story that cites the roots of certain Arabic words and what they mean. I’d be happy to tutor.

  • D'oh, The Magnificent

    @reason: Like with being African American (which i am), I have learned that gay doesn’t equal enlightened or even a willingness to go beyond cherished beliefs. Its weird in an age of easy access to a lot of information people still cling to ignorance.

  • reason

    @B: You should be ashamed of yourself for engaging in such discriminatory antics, your generally a voice of anti-discrimination. I am surprised and disappointed. I have read your post defending Christians, which I am, and figured you were above the hypocritical religious bigotry that flows from these pages. Maybe you are only against discriminating against characteristics or things that you are or like? I will let you explain.

  • reason

    @D’oh, The Magnificent: Speaking of African American this community pulled out pitchforks after Prop8 harping about how people that have been discriminated against could discriminate against others. Low and behold some people on here, a gay advocacy site, are aggressively slurring and attacking a group of people. Were getting closer to the psychology of Israel vs. Palestine everyday.

  • REBELComx

    Allahu Akbar would only be appropriate if it was actually a conversion center disguised as a gay bar…”IT’S A TRAP!”

  • Kev C

    Greg Gutfeld’s Red Eye
    Greg Gutfeld’s Fat Fanny Farm
    The Faux Hole
    Hannity’s Man Hole
    Glenn Beck’s Stud-IO
    Bill O’Reilly’s F* It, We’ll Do It Live Dive

  • Cam

    To all the people claiming that this bar will be offensive. It would only be offensive if gays themselves are somehow offensive. And if you are defending that line of thought then you yourselves would be homophobes.

    Just because somebody is doing something TO offend somebody doesn’t make what they are doing offensive to a reasonable person.

    If somebody built an Ethiopean cultural center next door to the Ku Klux Klan headquarters, sure that would be OFFENSIVE to the Klan, but only because they are bigots. This situation is easy, if the Imam and the people at this cultural center are offended, then they are bigots and homophobes and I don’t care what bigots and homophobes thing. If they are NOT offended, then this will be a huge step in reconciling some of the distrust gays have of mainstream Islam. Seems pretty win/win to me.

  • Jason Paris

    Gaza Strip Club.

    Although, the name was already tried in Toronto and got people in a tizzy.

  • D'oh, The Magnificent

    @Jason Paris: I can see why that would piss people of since the point is to use a concept that’s actually about a group of people being oppressed for you own personal comic relief.

    I mean- its clear you don’t give a shit about Muslims, gay or otherwise- so of course you would list that.

    By your way of thinking, one would be okay having a club called “Jewish Ovens Strip Club’ etc. these sort of games are deliberately designed to inflame. There’s a difference between a gay Muslim bar which might piss off people because they don’t like gays, and name a club something that you are trying to use because you don’t like Muslims. In both cases, hate flows. But in different directs. In one scenario- where you are trying to create a space for gay Muslims, there’s not hate on your part. In the other, where you are trying to attacking Muslims, again gay or otherwise, you are clearly the instigator of hate.

    Again, none of this will get through to the bigots, but I thought someone should clearly state the racism here and why you have more income with the bigots against gay people than you think. One since if you had the same power to harm people’s lives as the bigots against gay people- that you would. That in a nutshell sums up the problem.

  • mark

    I wouldn’t play along with this lame Gutfeld’s cr*p.
    It doesn’t take mush smpling at Michelle Malkin’s sites, Breitbart to see the Tea-klanners are MOIST because this concept allows them to marry bashing fags and bashing Muslims.

  • mark

    much sampling…typos

  • ewe

    @mark: Bravo. Thank you sincerely for telling the truth.

  • ousslander

    keep it simple , like Mohammed’s or Mo’s for short or Mecca.

  • reason

    @Cam: You clearly don’t get it, the people that are proposing this Bar see this thing as sickening to their stomach offensive that the Muslims have the audacity, Obama loaned them, to build a worship center so close to ground zero. In-turn they want to put the most disgusting thing that comes to mind “us” next to the Muslim center to repulse them. This was reinforced when the man was on Glenn Beck, and Glenn Beck is just like no you can’t be serious, I wouldn’t want them anywhere near my place of worship. Basically he saying that putting fags next to them is just so revolting that it goes way beyond his supposed anger at them building their mosque at the site. The very idea so crazy that he just can’t be serious. If this man can be angry over flotus taking a vacation he is likely apoplectic over this Muslim debacle, but gays oh no that is descending into the pits of the sewer system were there is a first class ticket to deliver thee to the gates of hell. Then there is people like you that are gleefully mucking threw their feces to report to duty as their whipping boy, but hey you momentarily got to feel like one of the bigots when joining in on the derogatory slur making bonding activities.

  • mark

    Queerty I am angered and embarrassed you play along and do a damn AUNTIE TOM act for Gutfeld and those who hate us.
    Do you think they would have hesitated for a second, after prop 8 saying they would build a MORMON temple, or Black church next to OUR biggest bar?
    This is a MAJORITY using Muslims as scapegoats….cuz they CAN.
    If we don’t stand up against INJUSTICE ANYWHERE against ANYONE we are no better than Gutfeld.

  • mark

    btw the folks who OWN FOX are Saudis….they ain’t our (LGBTs) friends, and they blew up the f*ckin twin towers.
    American Muslims didn’t do sh*t at Ground Zero except die side by side with the gays, and women, and seniors, and Jews, and Blacks working in the buildings.

  • mark

    I suggest you read the comments on the RIGHT, their OTHER suggestions are having pork slaughter house or dog facilities next to the Mosque, then they couple pork with queer jokes.

    YOU are being used as much as a dog or pig….and with the SAME concern about our well being, or Civil Rights.

    but you are too dim to notice

  • ewe

    @reason: Bravo. No Cam does not get it but thankyou for putting it so succinctly. These idiots would willingly walk into an ambush and be victims of a hate crime the way they are supporting these vile right wing christian reactionaries. Rah rah rah. what a bunch of dopes.

  • ewe

    @mark: Bravo and there are numerous gay commenters who themselves are perfectly willing to hold hands with the Glenn Becks of this world to bash Islam because they irrationally think one billion people are out to destroy the world trade center again. Idiots! I do not know how to stress it anymore clearly than that. PS: Osama Binladen is dead and Benazir Bhutto was assassinated for telling the world that incovenient fact. It is hard to promote a war on terror when all the people who planned the 9 11 attacks are ALREADY DEAD!!! Damn bunch of ignorant pawns this country is full of.

  • OusslanDer

    @ewe: So you’re saying that the muslims would violently assault the gay patrons ne t door? And you’re not a bigot

  • ewe

    Let’s all just suspend all fucking intelligence and believe Sean Hannity why don’t we? Idiots. Plain and simple.

  • Carlos

    @ousslander: How about…You Mecca Me Hot

  • ewe

    @OusslanDer: No, whenever the fuck i talk about 9 11, i place the blame on those that did it not a billion believers who had nothing to do with it. Your question is out of left field. I said nothing of the sort you are accusing me of and your accusation resembles a fanatic twisting things around. I definitely do not believe some of the tenets of Islam but i am certainly not getting into bed with the likes of right wing ignorant christian evil using my sexual orientation to rub salt into a different religion they themselves want to destroy. That’s not American honey.

  • ewe

    @Carlos: wow, why don’t you play HangMan next? or Scrabble? If you don’t mind, some of us take this topic seriously. Of course, do feel free to side with Cam and call me ( a homosexual my whole life) anti gay if it makes you feel better.

  • Glen_RI

    Since the proprietor is a famous Fox News propagandist, it should be named “Fox News Hates Gays, and Isn’t Too Keen on Muslims either, but Come to Our Gay Muslim Bar Anyway”.

  • Miss Understood

    You have to be pretty naïve to think this bar is actually being built. This guy was just saying that ironically to make a point. A stupid ignorant right-wing point.

  • The Burgie

    How about Newt Gingrich and Dick Cheney (no joke his name really is Dick!) as guest hosts for openeing night!

  • reason

    @mark: Mostly good post, but the part about the Saudis is wrong. The Saudis have been a major supporter of U.S. foreign policy especially through the Regan years and beyond. They provide the funds for the bulk of the secret wars waged by the U.S. allowing the CIA and executive branch to carry out their actions with out involving Congress, “the purse,” or alerting people of their actions. One of the operations uncovered was Iran-contra which the Saudis were heavily involved in. Several Presidents also fought hard to provide the Saudis with some of the top military equipment that we possessed. Also under several presidents Prince Bandar and other Saudi officials had clearances and access to all sectors of U.S. security apparatus and the White house that would be reserved only for a high level U.S. cabinet secretary. The rise of Osama Bin Laden in his cohorts were part of a U.S. plan to destroy the Soviets in Afghanistan, they along side the Saudis decide to radicalize a group of Saudis and other Muslims with religious doctrine so they would fight the godless communist with the intensity and fearlessness that they need to win. They provide over 40 billion for the effort. After the defeat of the Russian Bin Laden offered his aide to Saudi to defend them from Iraq, which they declined fearing letting radicals like that back on to Saudi soil. They brought the U.S. and the coalition to fight the first gulf war footing such a large portion of the bill that it nearly bankrupted their state. Since, Osama has been determined to slaughter the Monarchy in Saudi just as much as he wants to destroy America. You can have your grievances with how they treat their citizens some which are horrific, but in some ways they treat them better than our government with free education and health care. As the Saudis told the U.S. they have to be careful about how fast they move in modernizing their country to avoid disasters like what happened in Palestine with Hamas coming to power or creating more people sympathetic to Bin Laden, but they have taken huge steps over time to moderate their society. Saudi is a complex society with the Al Saud family acting as head of state and all political matters but they share power with a religious order that they have to convinces to make changes to Islamic law. They are currently pushing to educate women and take their university out of the realm of Islamic law. While a number of their citizens may not hold us in high regard as a number of ours don’t hold them in high regard, but the Saudis State has proven time and time again to being one of our strongest and most ardent allies even to the point of endangering themselves being the spiritual center of the Sunni Muslim world while being so close to the west.

  • Bill Perdue

    Islamophobes are swine. It’s reasonable to call them swine but not to argue with them.

    You can’t really teach a pig anything, no matter how hard you try. You just end up irritating the pig and accomplishing nothing.

  • Bryce

    How many gay bars are in Vatican City?

    I don’t like gays being used a pawn, especially to promote veiled Islamophobia!

  • B

    No. 46 · reason wrote, “@B: You should be ashamed of yourself for engaging in such discriminatory antics” What discriminatory antics? I never posted a single word encouraging any form of discrimination. I didn’t even encourage them to put the bar
    next to the new mosque (I merely mentioned that this seems to be where it is going and that is simply what I read they were planning to do – whether it should go there is up to NYC’s planning commission, after all). That’s no more of a mishmash than what I saw at SF Pride this year – a booth (all in the low-rent area) for a group called “Meet Nude Men”, which was next to a booth for an anti-evolution/anti-religion group (they thought we were created by space aliens), directly across from a booth for the Quakers.

    I’ve actually been in an Islamic country (not Saudi Arabia) and people there sometimes distinguish themselves from “religious people” – i.e., they are respectful of the dominant religion but they don’t let it take over their lives either.

    If you meet real Muslims, you’ll find some who take prohibitions against alcohol seriously and some who don’t, just as you’ll find Catholics who take their church’s mandates about sex seriously and others who don’t. It’s not up to me to tell any of them what to do. If some guy is devout on Friday and a party animal on Saturday night, that’s his choice – in the U.S. he has a legal right to do that.

    Setting up a bar with an Arabic/Middle Eastern motif or having a non-alcoholic floor (one of multiple levels) for those who don’t want to be around people drinking alcoholic beverages is simply a marketing decision – its up to those running the business. If they guess wrong, they’ll go under, but that is the fate of many startups.

  • B

    No. 57 · reason wrote, “@Cam: You clearly don’t get it, the people that are proposing this Bar see this thing as sickening to their stomach offensive that the Muslims have the audacity, Obama loaned them, to build a worship center so close to ground zero. In-turn they want to put the most disgusting thing that comes to mind “us” next to the Muslim center to repulse them.”

    Guys, if they are proposing it merely to be rude to Muslims, it will not go up – there’s the undoubtedly high monthly rent, and quite likely a lease with severe penalties for bailing out early, not to mention the cost of remodeling the building to make it into a bar. It will only work if they can attract real customers, and hardly any gays are going to go there if its only purpose is to piss off their neighbors.

    If they are serious, and it is not appropriate in that location, the NYC planning commission (or whatever NYC calls it) won’t sign off on it.

    But keep in mind that in an urban area, you do get a mishmash of things very close together and you generally only want to restrict outward appearance. You can legitimately get some strange juxtapositions. For example, the San Francisco Opera once performed Messiaen’s “Saint François d’Assise” in the War Memorial Opera House. In the adjacent building, Herbst Theater, the Kinsey Sicks (at least) once performed their Christmas program. While both performances were not on the same day, that could have happened – you could have had an opera about a major Christian religious figure going on while the Kinsey Sicks were making wisecracks like, “30 years old, never married, hangs out with 12 guys, has a prostitute as a friend but never has sex with her … Bottom,” in which case you would no doubt find some religious person who really wanted to see the opera who and would be deeply offended by what was going on next door. That’s life. If you don’t like the diversity, don’t live in a city.

  • reason

    @B: I was referring to “how about 69 virgins.”

    Cost is not a factor to them. That is why he said he is looking for backers, and people have already started contacting him with interest. They see it more as spending on a campaign, not running a legitimate business. They want to attack the Muslims by any means possible and believe that a dirty homosexual is a good place to commence. Bigots out there are willing to cut large checks to open this place up and keep it afloat like the Saudis kept George W Jr. afloat buy funneling cash through business adventures that started with Arbusto Energy. They will resort to as many underhanded tactics as possible to try to provoke a response from the Muslims. These people want a war, that is their end goal. They want to fight and eradicate Islam. We are nearly a toxic weapon in their sordid game.

  • Halal Dong

    Mecca Dicca!

  • candle

    Allah Cockbar

  • whatever

    How soon will the anti-Muslim kristallnacht take place in the US? I say in under 5 years.

  • Bill Perdue

    @whatever: ^^^^^ Spoken like a true Nazi.

  • whatever

    @Bill Perdue: You fucking, abject moron. I wasn’t advocating it. This climate of Islamophobia where a groups constitutional First Amendment rights are even under debate will create it.

  • Bill Perdue

    @whatever: Calm down little obot.

    Advocating the mass murder of muslims, domestic or foreign, is part and parcel of supporting the islamophobic racism of Obama’s four wars for oil and mineral resources.

    It’s in character.

  • whatever

    @Bill Perdue: You nasty little commie cunt. You are just on autopilot now, aren’t you, repeating the same sparticist drivel that no one reads?

  • Bill Perdue

    @whatever: ^^^^ The shoe fits.

  • B

    No. 78 · reason wrote, “@B: I was referring to “how about 69 virgins.” … you claimed that was discriminating in some way, which it is not. It was simply a joke about a bar coming up with a slightly tasteless name that was a bit of a pun (for example, there is a gay bar in San Francisco named “Moby Dick”, and it does not attract a literary crowd).

    You may not like the joke, but it is hardly out of line with what you’ll read in mainstream newspapers – one cartoonist in the San Francisco Chronicle once did a strip with the premise, “U.S. has 48 hours to rescue 72 virgins before they have to satisfy al-Zachari”. Then there is where the number of virgins two terrorists get ends up being downgraded. There was no Muslim outcry about either – after all, the jokes has nothing to do with their actual religious beliefs: according to “mainstream Muslims regard this belief about 72 virgins in the same way that mainstream Christians regard the belief that after death they will be issued with wings and a harp, and walk on clouds.”

    BTW (regarding people interested in this bar idea), cost will be a factor to them once reality raises its ugly head.

  • Queer Supremacist

    What you Muslim apologists call “Islamophobia” is really just the natural, reasonable repulsion at the barbaric precepts of a hateful religion. Take away the misogyny, anti-semitism, homophobia, mass murder, and calls for genocide, and it would be just another religion. Same with Christianity. Notice no one but that dumb broad Cassandra bitches about “Christophobia”. Because her mealy-mouthed defense of Christianity just does not wash. We are repulsed by the barbaric precepts of that hateful religion.

    I don’t care what Gutfeld’s motives are, but anything that calls attention to Islamic homophobia which is worse than any that this joker could ever hold.

    @whatever: I’m more concerned about another Kristallnacht against non-Muslims.

  • Bill Perdue

    @Queer Supremacist: QuirkySkinhead, a sociopathic kapo, is several cards short of a full deck.

    “Author: Queer Supremacist
    Bill Perdue: I didn’t know Nazi Quislings were a race. But just keep wishing for your anti-semitic (sic, sick) fantasies to come true, and maybe someday they’ll happen.

    Jadis, ron, L. Fuck Anyone who supports Palestinazis or Muslims is a racist, a Nazi, and, if they are Jewish and/or gay, an Uncle Tom. If you are pro-KKK, you cannot claim not to be racist. If you are pro Nazi or pro-Palestinazi (same fucking difference), you cannot claim not to be anti-semitic (sic, sick). If you are pro-Christian or pro-Muslim, you cannot claim not to be homophobic.

    Christianity, Islam and Heterosexuality are the real Axis of Evil. And unless you are actively working to stop the Christo-Islamic Breeder menace, you are enablers.

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    There are no “Palestinians”. You’re nothing but an Arabist pig defending filthy genocidal homophobic Muslim camel fuckers, while perseverating (sic) (sick) discredited Stalinist tropes like a severely autistic parrot…

    Take your pro-Muslim blood libel elsewhere or I will report your IP address to the FBI for treasonous activity.

    The land of Israel belongs to the Jews, including the parts illegally occupied by goyische breeder terrorists. They have more of a right to exist than the United States…

    (I consider all heterosexual sex acts rape)…

    The only thing keeping Obama from becoming a dictator are the constitutional separation of powers…

    On the other hand, Israel’s founding, in a location where there was a Jewish state before the convicted thief Jesus and the child rapist Muhammad were even born, was to protect Jews from further hate crimes from heretic goyim (all gentile religions are heretic… Israel needs … to do whatever it takes to protect innocent people from being brutally murdered by terrorist scum who worship convicted felons like Jesus and child molesters like Muhammad.

    And the first equivocation of Zionism (that’s with a capital Z, for the rest of you Pan-Arabist scum) with racism by the United Nazis, I mean the United Nations…

    Uganda has no right to sovereignty. Iran has no right to sovereignty. Iraq has no right to sovereignty. Afghanistan has no right to sovereignty. Jamaica has no right to sovereignty. Saudi Arabia has no right to sovereignty. Zimbabwe has no right to sovereignty. The Vatican has no right to sovereignty…. China has no right to sovereignty…

    If the majority of the gays turn against Jews I will become celibate and actively homophobic.
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    @Queer Supremacist: Who let you out of your sty, racist.
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    @Queer Supremacist: You are everything that’s wrong with the world.
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    @Queer Supremacist: Holy shit! You must be as exhausted from that tirade as I am from reading it! You, sir, are full of shit……
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    @Queer Supremacist: You’re not getting paid by the word, I hope.
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    No. 15 • Queer Supremacist
    By the way, your ad hominem attacks have done nothing to disprove everything I said.

    Yes, I am a proud bigot. I am bigoted against the enemies of the Jews. I am bigoted against the enemies of the gay community. I am bigoted against people who hate me and want me dead for a “being crime.” I am bigoted against land robbers and genocidal maniacs. I am bigoted against people who worship thieves and child molesters.

    Queerty is the Gay Stormfront. Heil Hitler and Heil Muhammad.
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  • Queer Supremacist

    @donal1944 at msn dot com, aka Ernst Rohm:

    KapoQS, the zionist colony in Palestine has no shred of legitimacy. It’s a terrorist colony founded by mass murderers like Begin and Shamir (Deir Yassin). Gays are murdered and harassed in the zionist colony.?Those colonists will have to learn to live in a democratic secular Palestine or face the consequences of what always happens to those who commit the crimes of apartheid and ethnic cleansing.?Zionism is racism.

  • axos

    Guess there won’t be that many Swedes around, but to Swedish-speakers, Elham du lilla(h) means Elham, you little one.

    Hm. Maybe not…?

  • axos

    @Jake: I don’t see how Molotov Cocktail qualifies since Molotov was Russian, but Ram-a-Dan was rather funny.

  • axos

    Oops, this turned serious. And here I was, having fun just goofing around with the names.

  • Mimi

    What a fantabulous idea! Next door to Park 5l might be 69 Park? Good name for the enterprise would be “69 PARK & FLY!”

  • James

    @whatever: Dude if they arent citizens they dont have first ammendment rights. And also, if you think that it is appropriate to build the Mosque next to something that inspires anti Islamic feelings then you are just all mixed up

  • George

    Sand Francisco

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