HEALTH WATCH

Why Are Bisexuals So Self-Destructive? This Study May Have The Answer.

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A new study finds that bisexuals drink and smoke more than their gay, lesbian and straight counterparts.

The report comes from the University of Vanderbilt, where researchers poured over data collected from the 2013 and 2014 National Health Interview Surveys. What they learned was that members of the LGB community, as a whole, reported higher levels of stress and more severe drinking and smoking habits than heterosexuals.

“Findings from our study indicate that LGB adults experience significant health disparities — particularly in mental health and substance use — likely due to the minority stress that LGB adults experience as a result of their exposure to both interpersonal and structural discrimination,” Gilbert Gonzales, PhD, who led the studies, writes.

Bisexuals reported the highest levels of psychological distress, which researchers believe could be a result of the marginalization they suffer in both mainstream society and the LGBTQ community.

“Combined with the relative scarcity of bisexual communities and organizations, this ostracizing may lead to social isolation, a risk factor for psychological distress,” researchers add.

Now, onto the data…

  • Bisexual women were 2 times more likely to report “moderate psychological distress” and nearly 3.5 times more like to report “severe psychological distress” than their heterosexual counterparts.
  • Bisexual men were 2.5 times more likely to report “moderate psychological distress” and nearly 5 times more like to report “severe psychological distress” than their heterosexual counterparts.
  • Bisexual woman were 2 times more likely to report heavy drinking and 36 percent more likely to report heavy smoking.
  • Meanwhile, bisexual men were 3 times more likely to report heavy drinking and 2 times more likely to report heavy smoking.

So what’s the takeaway from all this?

According to Mitchell Katz, MD, deputy editor of JAMA Internal Medicine, where the study was published, bisexuals need better support.

“In caring for people who have experienced bias and discrimination, support is a very potent medicine,” he says.

“However,” he adds, “there is reason to anticipate that with the growing acceptance of sexual minority populations, as evidenced by the rapid increase in the establishment of same-sex marriage in the Unites States and other countries, these disparities will decrease.”

Related: “Straight” Guys Are Having More Bisexual Sex Than Ever Before, Study Finds

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197 Comments

  • n900mixalot

    Because they are in a constant state of turmoil and flux, and can’t commit. I wouldn’t wish true bisexuality on my worst enemy. And sure, we are all a little bi, but the ones who are closest to the middle are some jacked up folks.

    I don’t know what the solution is. But I sure as heck am not interested in giving two s-words about those egomaniacal opportunists. Maybe they need to look within themselves to find their truths, and when they can accept themselves, the rest of us can begin to have some sort of feelings for their struggle.

  • jayceecook

    “researchers believe could be a result of the marginalization they suffer in both mainstream society and THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY.”

    For example see —> @n900mixalot

  • Paco

    @n900mixalot: “And sure, we are all a little bi…”

    —–

    Umm… No… We aren’t ALL a little bi. The elusive gay men with bi tendencies have yet to be reported about here.

  • gayhope1990

    Because they’re liar freaks.They’re hypocritical,useless and so stupid.They’re so delusioned they can’t get it right they’re gay who want to pass straight.

  • KerryB

    There is no such thing as bisexuality. They are just a bunch of cowards who can’t admit they are actually gay.

  • zooby

    Because a good chunk of them are closeted, self hating cowards who refuse to live their truth. It’s the same with closeted guys who get angry and defensive all the time “Why do I need to come out?! It is no one’s business!” Deep down they are unhappy because of their cowardliness and turn to substance abuse. If people could do it back then, I’m sure you (a grown man paying your own bills) can.

  • Billy Budd

    Bisexuality EXISTS and is awesome. You guys are horribly prejudiced. This is just a confirmation of the problems faced by bisexuals. Bisexuality is the future.

  • klaw

    Why the hate guys???….yeshh…I’m bisexual,out and proud.I commit to whoever I fall in love with for as long as the relationship lasts,being bisex doesn’t mean we are closeted or gay guys passing as straight,we just like guys n girls….annnnd am not an alcoholic or a heavy smoker. And am not in a state og turmoil and flux!.

  • Dave Downunder

    WOW no love for the bisexuals on this page.

    I think bisexuality does exist and they have traditionally aligned themselves more with the straight community because that is traditionally the more socially acceptable lifestyle. I do however believe that is changing as homosexuality becomes more accepted but I do agree that we are yet to see any bisexual men who have boyfriends/husbands and cheat with women on the side. This is probably because casual sex with women is harder to get than casual sex with men.

    As for men who have sex with men while being married to a woman, infidelity is a separate issue from bisexuality.

  • Tobi

    I have never known what bisexuals are fighting for, well apart from the right not to be labelled “gay”.

  • zooby

    @Billy Budd: Explain to me how it is the “future” when so many bisexuals want to live in the closet or still identity as “straight” .. Doesn’t sound very futuristic to me!

  • zooby

    @Dave Downunder: You confirmed what I said, basically. They DO align themselves with the ‘straight community’, which is the root of the problem. They do not want to be perceived as gay or as a part of the LGBT.

    Funny how MOST (I said most, not ALL) bisexuals I meet are closeted. Even on Grindr, those guys with no profile pictures who actively seek guys all the time? They’re the first to ask you if you are gay or straight and they always say “I’m bi” … Riiiight.

  • gayhope1990

    @zooby:Billy Bud is a nuts who talks rubbish and want to affirm everybody is bi.These so called bisexuals want to be straight but unfortunately for them they’re gay.They’re too confused to accept themselves.

  • Dave Downunder

    @zooby: I wasn’t posting my comments in any kind of reply to yours. I think you are a bit militant in your uncompromising attitude and I don’t agree with everything you say.

  • Billy Budd

    @gayhope1990: You are totally wrong. Most psychiatrists would agree that a large percentage of people are potentially bisexual. I mean potentially. What makes people turn that potentiality into action or not is society. In other times, bisexuality was the norm for almost every male. Our closest relatives in the animal kingdom, the bonobo monkeys, are unashamedly bisexual.

  • n900mixalot

    And there you have it. Truly bi people are unable to commit. I recognize that as a terrible condition to be in. It’s being stuck between a rock and a hard place. But instead of living with it and trying to find peace with it, they act as opportunists treating people like conquests. It’s the only power they have over something as awkward as being that way is. They can have each other, and should stick to each other. And stop preying on those of us who are able to commit to what we like and who we love. It’s like that gender fluidity bull junk. People use it for attention, not because they truly have an issue they need to resolve.

    Get over yourselves bi people and look first at yourselves.

  • Brian

    There are tons of men who do not identify as bisexual but are open to same-sex experiences. Tons and tons. It’s often misleading when surveys claim to know what certain identities think or experience – the data is only valid for the group of men who self-identity and not for the many other men who choose to not self-identify.

    Do men who swing both ways face added pressures in life? Of course they do. They are maligned by Leftist women who find male bisexuality threatening. They are maligned by gay-identifying men who are angry that these men frequently do not abide by identity politics. There is all-round fear of men who swing both ways.

  • DeserTBoB

    @n900mixalot: Fuck you. You think I LIKE being this way, even at MY age? You friggin’ übergays, laying around on disability, getting your freemeds because you can’t keep half the world out of your butts, and we’re out there with careers, families and living in both communities at the same time and getting NO support from either. I just yanked my support for ANY LGBT-aimed legislation…you want to reject me? Fine, I reject YOU and your meth-using, pozzed-up buddies.

  • DCguy

    Maybe because when they finally come out, websites, blogs, and articles pretend they don’t exist, by using B.S. terms like “Hetroflexible” and erasing bisexual existence from their pages.

  • onthemark

    Poor bisexuals! This f’d up comment thread gives a possible answer to the headline’s question, “why are they self-destructive”?

    Or, maybe bisexuals don’t even exist… because apparently the typical gay guy in his 20s has encountered every possible variation of male sexuality out there, and therefore KNOWS ALL.

    Or, maybe bisexuals DO exist but…

    @n900mixalot: …but they are “unable to commit,” whatever the hell THAT means… I wondered if I’d somehow clicked on WOMEN’S DAY magazine by mistake, lol.

  • DeserTBoB

    @n900mixalot: Not only do you cough up with ONE prejudiced statement, you come back with ANOTHER! Like I said, I just yanked all my political and voting support for pro-LGBT issues, AND am going on crusade to END ALL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT FOR HIV MEDS. It’s a disgrace…übergay turbobottoms pozzing up as if it were nothing, then playing the minority card (“Ewww, I need HELLLLP!”) and I get to pay your $1800 a month pharma bill to make Gildead Life Sciences obscenely rich? UP YOURS, you wannabe DJ or whatever you are….START PAYING FOR YOUR OWN SHIT! I have other things FAR more important to me to worry about other than your “Just take a pill!” attitude. Oh, and you übergays? NOW THE #1 USERS OF METHAMPHETIMINE IN LOS ANGELES. Time for a beatdown on you idiots.

  • gayhope1990

    @onthemark:I know you’re talking to me but I’m right:bisexuality is a myth like the yeti.So called are maniacs so they live in a weird world.They’re so slut they can’t admit they love the same gender.They’re pathetic liars.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: Congratuations, Mary, you get the award for most hurtful, prejudiced and STUPID comment so far. Obviously, you’re of a low education level a know NOTHING of what you speak. Hope your liver rots and falls out from your HIV meds.

  • gayhope1990

    @DesertTboB:Go take your medicines fucking jester.Homophobic,prejudiced you hate the gay and play the victim.Maniac,you’re just a vermin.

  • Masc Pride

    Oooh, bisexuals drink and smoke. Meanwhile gays and trans people cope with stress by committing suicide. Reality Check! ;)

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:By the way I’m European so I don’t give a fuck of your money.The truth is:bisexuality is a myth and gay people are sick and tired of the propaganda to support that delusioned agenda.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Masc Pride: ..or they bury all their craziness by hitting the meth pipe, a favored addiction with the übergays these days. I’m pissed off enough at the gay community for their stupidity in the post-pandemic world…WHAT a WASTE! We had a fine social movement going for many years, and these idiot twinks are just pissing it ALL aways. Perhaps they’re unaware of the HUGE ANTI-GAY MOVEMENT afoot in the US among the church nutters….because they’re cloisters in their shithole apartments in some gay ghetto with NO IDEA of reality. Well, they can’t count on my votes, money and assistance anymore…I’m DONE with the gay community.

  • gayhope1990

    Hey bi-sluts,bi-liars bi-hypocriticals,you’re as real as fairies.So think about it and admit you’re gays.You just show you’re posers

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: Keep up with the idiotic statement…you’re just proving the points made by the church nutters and “pray-the-gay-away” crowd all the more. Also, remember this…per Kinsey and every other credible study since the 1950s, there are FAR more bisexuals around than there are the 1%er übergays like you. I’d think about that for a minute and realize that you’re cutting off your own nose to spite your face. WHERE do you think your political support comes from? Sure isnt’ other übergays; they’re only 1% or less of the population.

  • onthemark

    @gayhope1990: The yeti, huh? Do you get this excitable about the yeti? :)

    For guys who supposedly don’t even exist, bisexuals sure get you excited!

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:Kingsley was a clown gay people make up 10% with out and closeted.Our situation was won thanks to gay movement and progressive straight.Your rant against “ubergays”prove you’re an homophobic bigot who showes your hatred of our lifestyle.Get real hypocritical.

  • gayhope1990

    @onthemark:I’ve got a boyfriend for 7 years now so I don’t wanna touch another guy.Mine is enough.Many gay people like me think they’re just posers

  • DeserTBoB

    @Brian: FINALLY, someone “gets it.” I refuse to play identity politics like the blacks and übergays, I refuse to live again in a “gay ghetto,” now some of the most crime ridden areas of Los Angeles, and yes, far-left women find me a threat to their agenda. ALL true. Add these idiots like @gayhope1990 and @n900mixalot: and I wind up with a life full of anxiety, panic attacks, and misery. But oh MAN, the aforementioned sure want to bareback my ass! Fucking criminals….

  • Masc Pride

    @DeserTBoB: How could I forget all the meth overdoses? lol Between all the meth and their ARVs, these guys are pumped full of so many toxic chemicals that I don’t think they should lose too much sleep over bisexuals consuming alcohol and tobacco. It’s like an AIDS patient worrying about a person with rhinitis. haha

  • DeserTBoB

    @Masc Pride: I’ve lost over 212 friends, lovers, acquaintences from 1980 to 2002, so no one, especially these dweebs making these toxic omments, is going to tell me that I haven’t been traumatized by gay men’s actions, because I have. I’m neg for everything, and will stay that way. Recently, I’ve lost friendship with a few men who’re long-term poz, mainly because of their “cognitive disorders” caused by both the bug AND the meds that are purportedly “helping” them. They’re better off dead, actually, and so is society. I broke off one frinedshipo when on, a PhD in fact, told me, “you should poz up…it’s liberating!” WHAT THE FUCKING HELL IS THAT SHIT? Gay men…I can FULLY see now what society in general doesn’t want them around, because I can clearly see both sides of the argument now.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Yean, no shit, and they ALLLLL wanna bareback my ass for me. I have saved several convos of various poz gay men “offering” to gift me their bug. I’d have NO qualms whatsoever throwing any of them in prison of ag assault if they tried anything…but I’ll never meet them, so it’s a moot point.

  • DeserTBoB

    Then, there’s THIS crap down in WeHo these days. Obviously, someone had been hitting the meth pipe a little before sallying forth to vandalize some cars int he Pavillions parking lot: http://www.queerty.com/sources-seriously-questioning-whether-gay-youtube-star-actually-beaten-weho-20160628 Yeah…I REALLY want ot identify with being a member of “gay society” these days. THROW HIS ASS IN JAIL! “YouTube star”…what a joke. I hear that this douchenozzle, Culam McSwiggan, a limey, is also a “model,” which is longtime gay slang for “ho-for-pay.”

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:Shut up bigot we all understand you’re homophobic.Gay=Aids or drugs…I think not.You,the troll Brian and that freak Mascpride are a bunch of homophobic bigot who love spreading their hate against us,the gay people.Gay people must wake up and start again fighting our enemies.

  • Masc Pride

    @gayhope1990: How can you fix your fingers to call anyone else a bigot after the comments you’ve left here? Throwing stones while simultaneously crying foul seems to be the gay way these days, so I do agree that it’s time for gay people to wake up.

  • Masc Pride

    @DeserTBoB: If you watch a documentary called The Gift, some gay guys want HIV so that they won’t have to worry about HIV anymore. Talk about self-destructive!

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: I’m going to bet large here and say that you’ve been on Truvada or one of those other poison pills for quite awhile. Your brain is ALL fucked up. Do you realize the biphonic statements you’ve made, or is your brain rotted out so badly from those meds (or form hitting the meth pipe to allow any number of guys who shove their arm up your ass)that you cannot see that YOU’RE the hypocite here? I PAID my dues to the gay community many years aog, with political activism, volunteerism, and the whole rot. That just ended, in no small part due to you and your pals. Nice going, douchenozzle.

  • Stache

    @DeserTBoB: You’re a fucking liar. You have such disrespect and hate for others. There’s no way you have one friend. Let along 212 that supposedly died on you. LMAO

    However, I’m sure you would never say any of your BS to anyone’s face. You’re as much a coward as a troll. Just like Brian. That is if you’re not another of his warped creations.

  • Stache

    @Masc Pride: The Gift was more hype then reality. Not to mention dated now.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Masc Pride: Oh yeah, you see it on the hookup sites ALL the time. One little creep actually told me he’d go off his meds for a couple of months so his viral load would go through the roof so he’d get me “with the first load.” I told him, “Oh that’s good….I’ve seen that happen before. Enjoy dying of PCP!” He went back on his meds, or so he SAID, but those guys are so far off in la-la-land, who knows the real story? “GayDope” here seems to think his freedoms are an entitlement that’s irrevocable. He doesn’t see what I see, a LOT of str8s want gays banished to “leper colonies” just because of the communicable diseases they spread that THEY, the taxpayer, wind up paying for. One guy, a neighbor om mine, said, “Fuck them…round ’em all up, and throw him in some ghetto so they’ll all die off. I’m sick of their shit.” Wow, that wasn’t a very good day for me, since he unknowingly was including ME in that scenario.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Stache: Shut the fuck up, fantasy boy. Yes, I HAVE said it to peoples’ faces, and what do they do? Run away screaming like the LITTLE GIRSL THAT THEY ARE. Bunch of fucking pussies. Iv’e seen that since the leather days in SF…bunch of queens wearing leather drag all butch and that, UNTIL they open their mouths, and then it’s “Oh, MARY…” this ‘n that. I know the whole scene idiot…you have NO idea who you’re dealing with, and yes, I have PLENTY of friends, but the gay ones are dwindling fast.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Stache: Hey jerkwad…a hundie says you’re a turbobottom and a half.

  • Stache

    @DeserTBoB: “a LOT of str8s want gays banished to “leper colonies”

    Only if you’re a nazi bigot that wants a final solution. None of the”str8s” I know think that way. Again, you’re either Brian or just a coward that likes to hide and pretend at being a hateful shithead.

  • Stache

    @DeserTBoB: Yeah, bring out the hate. Show everyone it’s just Faux concern for the gay community or the made up history of all your friends dying. You’re just a POS. Simple as that.

  • Stache

    @Brian: Kudo’s to you for being the best Troll ever. You should get an award for it.

  • gayhope1990

    @Stache:It’s a Brian’s creation.He’s agreeing with that troll nobody is agree with that troll.He is bashing gay people with his hate./@DeserTBoB:No drugs for me but I love alcohol.You’re a bigot who invents a life.

  • Masc Pride

    @DeserTBoB: Oh yeah, it’s become a sexual fetish for the gays. There was a fairly recent gay porno called “Viral Loads” based on one guy getting “pozzed up” by a group of HIV+ guys. They get off on it. Can’t post links but Google it. I believe it was from a big name studio too.

    @Stache: How was it hype? Are you claiming the guys interviewed were liars? If so, what proof do you have? I believe it was released in 2003, but that doesn’t change that it happened. Are you saying that all information that’s 13 years or older is automatically invalid now?

  • CaliKyle

    There will be no legitimate “studies” pertaining to sexuality until there’s consensus on how various orientations are defined. Right now there seems to be even less consensus than there might have been previously. Throw in all the new terminology like “pan” “flex” etc and any study then becomes further compromised and dubious.

  • CaliKyle

    @Paco: I have always considered myself gay but have had with many women over the years. Im sexually attracted to both males and females, but more frequently and strongly to males. I am romantically attracted solely to males though. with women its been either a one off or friends with benefits. I love some of them platonically but have never come close to wanting a full intimate romantic situation with any of them. Ive only fallen in love with males. Most people would consider me bi but I, however, never will. I am gay, always have been, will be in spite of any intermittent sexual detours. Orientation identification should be about who someone loves and is romantically drawn to. To a lot of men a hole is a hole whether its boy butt or girl pussy, they still get aroused and want to get it in. Who you love, not who you poke, is what’s most relevant in terms of how you id. A true bisexual is someone who is both romantically and sexually attracted to males and females equally. Havent met any myself but do not doubt they may exist. Anyone who has a pronounced preference for one gender over the other should id as either gay or straight and stop helping to confuse the issue of bisexuality.

  • Paco

    @CaliKyle: Queerty should do an article about your hetero dalliances. I only ever see stories ( and I believe many of them to be stories) about straight guys going gay. Never the other way around. If the ‘sexual fluids’ are to ever be taken seriously, then gays going for vagina on occasion should get equal attention as the straight guys going for penis. Yes?

  • Paco

    @CaliKyle: And I looked up the definition of bisexual and it is simply an attraction to both sexes. No mention of that attraction ending to be equal between the two.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Stache: Who the hell is “Brian” and why should I care? You brain-addled HIV cases need to be institutionalized.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: Ah, I see…you and Stache are the resident HIV-brain-rotted trolls in ehre. Fuck you and you, too…BOTH turbobottoms who really want to be women, but JUST can’t swing it.

  • DeserTBoB

    @CaliKyle: All that crap comes form the “gay community,” which is constantly fragmenting itself ever since the pandemic. I reject all of it…there are three catagories for research purposes…”Gay” (opposite sex exclusive) “bisexual” (has sex with either or both) and “heterosexual” (same sex exclusive). All that other stuff’s just fluff to make the PC crowd happy. Ask any sociologist with decent credentials.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Paco: Doesn’t really have to be, now, does it? “Has sex with both sexes” is the vast majority…study after study has nailed this down for years now. Lately, the infectious disease community lumps all men who AREN’T straight as being an “MSM”…”Men who has Sex with other Men.” And here I thought that was a food additive!

  • DeserTBoB

    @Masc Pride: It’s thoroughly disgusting, and I saw inklings of it in the middle-late ’80s, when I heard that stupid statement for the first time that pozzing up was somehow “liberating.” That’s when I’d first hypothesized that HIV was causing brain dysfunction. Later research proved me right on that, and my experiences with long-term poz former “friends” proves it to me beyond any doubt…long-term poz cases are probably non compos mentis in the majority. An immunologist with Kiaser-Permanente told me that they were having huge caseloads of poz patients wind up referred to psychiatric care due to cognitive dysfunction that put them and others (that’d be me, as well) in “grave danger.”

  • CaliKyle

    @Paco: Yes, but that definition is too vague. Attracted how? The attraction part is where all the confusion, problems and arguing comes into play over who is or is not bisexual. As long as my strongest most frequent attraction both sexually and romantically is to males, I will continue to id as gay. I have acted on my sexual attraction to girls but I dont consider that to have altered my overall orientation. I exclusively had sex with males from the time I was 15 until summer before college when I somewhat unexpectedly found myself really turned on by a girl who was flirting with me. It was a confusing feeling at the time but curiosity compelled me to go with it and I discovered that I enjoyed it physically. Why I still see myself as gay is because Im not attracted to women romantically or as a group, if that makes sense, best way I know how to say it. If I think about the girls Ive had sex with over the years they are all the same “type” while with guys, although I have preferences Im attracted to males as a group and my attraction has not been limited to a specific type. Also, Im in a committed relationship with a male right now, although he considers himself gender fluid. I think that term is ridiculous and simply is his way of saying he feels more fem than masc. One thing his gender id confusion has taught me though is that while I may have experienced sexual attraction and had sex with both genders in the past, I could contentedly live the rest of my life without ever again being with a woman. But I would rather die than never again love or have sex with a guy. Therefore, Im gay, not bi.

  • CaliKyle

    @DeserTBoB: The “research categories” you referenced are not nearly as cut and dried as you may think, so their helpfulness and accuracy is compromised. If someone had an extended time of experimentatikn over the course of a few years or longer, especially during youth, but then as an adult to have sex exclusively with one gender or the other then how would this individual be categorized for the purpose of a study? Ultimately, we all must acknowledge that trying to definitively pigeon hole OTHERS sexuality is an exercise in imprecision at best, futility at worst. A more useful and enlightening study would be one that researched how people identified their own orientation and why and to separate out those who have had past same sex experiences from those who have ongoing regular ones throughout their lives.

  • DeserTBoB

    @CaliKyle: You may well be right about that…emotional involvement is 50% of it, physical is the other half. Makes for a VERY complicated statistical reconciliation, at the least! Plus, one thing I’ve learned about gay men since I was in my ‘teens…they LIE like RUGS! That was one of the big impediments to getting good data during the ’80s regarding HIV infection…Patient, “Oh no, I pretty much keep to omyself!” Reality: “I have a Flex club card and can be reliably found in the tubs any given Friday from 2 AM until they kick me out.”

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:Stop ranting your old fashioned prejudices about gay people.You,Mascpride and the troll Brian are three c#unts.You keep insulting gay people and after you pretend being pro gay.You’re a stupid bigot,nobody likes you,jerkface.Jerk.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: Fuck off, twinkie pie. You loser Millennials are destroying everything that we built in the 1960s and ’70s, because 1.) you feel so goddamned “entitled,” getting trophies for screwing up your whole childhood, and 2.) you’re just plain STUPID because your brain never fully developed after having an endless parade of “electronic babysitters” shove into your face since birth. Go crawl off somewhere and die once your meds get cut off…you’re a leech on society, nothing more.

  • zooby

    @Dave Downunder: Ok. I WAS replying to your erroneous claims, yet you resort to name calling. You can tell someone is desperate and has nothing else to say when they start name calling.

    @Billy Budd: You answer gayhope, yet refuse to answer me. Why? Maybe cause what I said ruined your bisexual non-existent theory/fantasy?

  • crumb bum

    The level of bigotry and infighting in these comments is staggering.

    Yes, bisexual people exist (I’m not going to argue this point – if you’re confused about it, you can look it up yourself), and yes, we experience higher rates of drug abuse and mental problems (including suicidality) than lesbian and gay people. That said, I don’t think it’s productive to play oppression olympics and argue about who has it worse overall, and it’s certainly not productive to call each other sluts, liars, and hypocrites.

    If as a gay man, your perspective is so narrow that you can’t imagine bi men as anything other than lying opportunists, then shame on you. If as a bi man, you paint gay men as disease-ridden sluts, then shame on you too. Have we all forgotten that we live in the context of a majority culture that is to some degree hostile to all of us? That doesn’t mean we’re the same, but if your experiences with marginalization and hate have led you to marginalize and hate other people, then you should be ashamed of yourself – you’re part of the problem.

  • CaliKyle

    @crumb bum: Well said. Everyone here should consider your words and hit pause before spewing out any further hate and insults.

  • DeserTBoB

    @CaliKyle: Tell those hateful little twinks that, and they’ll say you’re a “bigot.” Hey, it happened to me!

  • onthemark

    This is most amazing comment thread I’ve seen in 5+ years of reading Queerty. And that’s really saying something, only a week or so after GC1985 voluntarily committed himself to a psychiatric hospital (I’m guessing) for Internet Addiction Rehab. Who’d have guessed things would get WORSE after that?

    @crumb bum: Wise words, and thanks for trying!

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: “Amazing” isn’t quite the adjective I would’ve chosen, but point taken. I remember GC1985, as well…yeesh!

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:Go to hell maniac!Or better commit suicide you’re a shit!You are homophobic and liar.Bisexuals are liars and stupid.No wonder they’re going crazy they realise they invent a sexuality to show off.Only two sexualities exist:gayness for men or women and heterosexuality.

  • ErikO

    @CaliKyle: Then you’re bisexual. You don’t have to be able to fall in love with both sexes/genders in order to be bisexual. I’m only sexually attracted to one “type” of man and I’m still bisexual.

    I’m not surprised that there’s a lot of biphobia in this topic, as a lot of gay men and lesbian women hate us bisexuals and are total hypocrites. Yes there’s a huge problem among gay men with barebacking, meth/PNP, and people who take PreP or Truvada and believe that a toxic pill will keep them “neg” while they bend over for every guy they meet even men who are HIV+. You also have a lot of POZ gay men who are idiots who have death wishes who don’t want to believe that you can get reinfected with the same strain, get other strains of HIV, get other STDs, and mess up your medications if you bareback with someone who is HIV+, and that if you are HIV+ and bareback you have probably infected someone that’s HIV neg with HIV.

    The documentary The Gift is not dated as there are a lot of gay men even ones who lived through the HIV/AIDS pandemic who want to become HIV+ because a lot of their friends are, or they figure that it will literally remove all barries or hang ups they have towards sex. But then you have lots of younger gay men in the 18-late 20s crowd who do it bareback/raw and don’t care what happens to them or their sex partners.

  • ErikO

    @Stache: I know a gay man who is DesertBob’s age and he lived in Southern CA before and during the HIV/AIDS pandemic, and he had over 30 of his friends die from HIV/AIDS, and he never lived in Los Angeles or in a gay/LGBT ghetto. He also has the mentality that if today you are into bareback sex you should not get any sympathy or free meds/benefits,etc. for when you wind up HIV+ or get other STDs as HIV and how to prevent it has been known about for 30+ years, but he’s seen way too many friends and ex partners die and is sick of the hook up bareback scene. I once asked him how he survived and he said as soon as he learned about safer sex in the very early 1980s he started having it, and always used condoms.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: Men and women can be and are bisexual; but you’re a bigot and just as bad or worse than someone that’s homophobic.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: Are you sexually active with men at all? I am very picky who I have sex with and so are both of my bisexual ex partners who I was with as are the hetero and bi women who were my partners. Gay men, not so much, and yes they do lie a lot.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: VERY picky…extremely so. ANY hint of meth use, whoring around on the sites or bar, and out they go. I had a steady b/f who was also married for years, but he started in with the meth thing (meth and HIV…they run around together almost always) and I gave him the air. Now, it’s just catch as catch can, but I mainly just socialize with old friends and that’s about it. It’s dangerous out there if you want to avoid the whole meth/HIV mess that the Millennials think is somehow “normal.” It pains me deeply to see this twinks undermining everything we worked for so hard years ago…they think they’re entitled…ain’t so…one stroke of the pen by a right wing president or governor, a BUNCH of those rights we fought for simply go down the toilet, and spreading HIV and partying with meth are TWO GREAT WAYS to make that happen. Witness the spun out twink’s lies and deception down in West Hollywood over the last few days… http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-youtube-star-arrested-claimed-assault-20160628-snap-htmlstory.html TELL me how this is NOT going to have a negative impact upon gay society. It already is.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I have also heard from gay men who are in their early 50s that the twinks ruined The Castro and SF as a whole.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: That’s good that you’re very picky, are you married to a woman or a man? In an open marriage? I personally don’t have sex or date anyone that uses any drugs including cannabis or herb, and Amyl/poppers. Social drinking is fine but I don’t want my partner to have our social live revolve around pretty much nothing but bars or parties, or going on vacation to LGBT resorts/ghettos, etc. If a woman or man wants to do it raw/bareback I have nothing to do with them sexually as I figure that they’re already HIV+ or will be soon, and have other STDs.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: @ErikO: That’s quite a conversation you’re having with “yourself,” Bob/Erik.

  • gayhope1990

    @Eriko:There is no such thing a bisexual.They’re liar and dishonest like you.You point and shame gay people as junkies or addict and prove your internal homophobia.Queerty is a gay website why bother losing time with these so called bisexuals,a bunch of posers who can’t choose or dream to be equal to straight for despising gay communities(gays and lesbians)

  • gayhope1990

    Queerty must censor the homophobia here like pinknews.There are often bigots like that vermin of DeserTBoB who talk rubbish against gay people but their posts are erased quickly.

  • iggy6666

    @gayhope1990: lol…. censor homophobia. yet deny the existence of bisexuals….. Jesus f#$%in christ

  • gayhope1990

    Bisexuality is myth I’m sick and tired of repeating this truth.Call the doctor nuts.

  • CaliKyle

    @ErikO: Identifying myself as bi would be false advertising. It suggests that Im attracted to females and males equally or close to it and that that I regularly instead of sporadically have or had sex with women (Ive had sex with only my bf for past 3 years) To women it would also suggest the potential for a romantic relationship, which has never happened and almost certainly never will. Not to mention that I simply feel like I am gay. Maybe not as gay as other guys but not exactly bi either. Doesnt our own internal perspective count for anything? Of course it does.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: They’ve pretty much wrecked WeHo as well. Silverlake, the former “leather colony,” has pretty much gone to the straight latin immigrant population now. Most of the twinks left in WeHo are trying to migrate to downtown LA, but, as is their custom to leap before they look, they’re finding that the crime problem down there is as extensive as it ever was. Millennials can screw up anything…just give them time.

  • DeserTBoB

    @CaliKyle: You’re right about that, and I’ve had the whole gamut from living in a gay ghetto and working in the discos and bars, to living in Suburbia with kids and a wife. There was a period there, after the initial onslaught of HIV, that I transitioned myself by shutting off men entirely, a smart choice back then that most did not follow, relying instead of phony rumors about trnsmisison (“Only leather guys into fisting get THAAAT…” and the one who said that was dead in three months..) and I started the uncomfortable process of acclimating to women more. It was rocky and social mores and customs had to change, but change they did, and I started getting more girls…and then kids…and, well, it was rough, but I did it. An un-diseased limbic system will put survival as being the #1 instinct, and most of the gay men I knew back in 1979-80 had either a defect that overrode that instinct, or they were willfully and consciously overrode it…and most of them died. So, I’ve been all along the Kinsey scale. I wouldn’t recommend it to anyone, quite frankly…it was a rough time all along, with some joy, much sorrow, but always anxiety and worry nipping at me all the time.

  • gayhope1990

    Shut up fucking sluts you’re vermins.Shoot yourselves you’re fucking wreck individuals.Only the freaks believe in bisexuality,you’re craps.You’re raving everyday psychopath wench.Not all gay are HiV+ or junkies motherfuckers!

  • ErikO

    @onthemark: I’m not Desert bob, or anyone else on this site.

    @CaliKyle: That’s not necessarily true that identifying as bisexual means that you will tell other people that you want romance with women, or that you want both genders/sexes equally. Calling yourself “gay” when you’re sexually attracted to women is false advertising, since if you were really gay you would not be sexually attracted to any women at all.

    @gayhope1990: No not all gay men are HIV+ or into drugs but a lot who are your age are both. But you’re a bigoted troll.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: You ARE nuts. Want to watch me do YOU AND a chick in the same session? Set it up, twinkie pie…you’ll be in for a ROUGH ride. Bring your own barf bag.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: You know, you übergay fags are as bad as the far-right lunatics who want you lined up and shot…”truth-adverse,” can’t understand things that don’t comport with your preconceived ideas, and on and on. I’m sick of the “gay community,” as I’ve stated earlier, MOSTLY because of idiots like you and “gayho 1990”. You people are truly disgusting, ALMOST as disgusting as that limey twink Calum McSwiggan who’s GOING TO JAIL for being a typical gay asshat. Hopefully, they’ll kick his ass out of the country to get rid of him.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: Actually this is an LGBT news site so posts about bisexuality are fine. Being a biphobic hypocrite like yourself just shows how much of an idiot and bigot you are.

    @DeserTBoB: So where are you on the Kinsey scale/Klein grid? I’d be a 3 now. At other times I was at different parts; but this is common.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I know gay men who are your age or a decade younger who are sick of the so called LGBT/gay community; but they never went as far as living in LGBT/gay ghettos, and are out but they don’t make being gay or not heterosexual the number one defining factor of who they are as a person.

  • DeserTBoB

    @iggy6666: He’s a pretty sick little fag, isn’t he? I’d LOVE to fuck up his face! Oh wait…hair FIRST…THEN the face. Then you go for the gown.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: My Kinsey scale number? I’ve been all over the map, 1 to 10 and back again! As you say, psychologists will assure you that “this is pretty common.” Idiots like gay dope 1990 and OFF the MARK will probably say that we’re opportunists or “vermin” or some shit…part of it is trying to figure ourselves out. HIV probably did more to screw up my life than any single factor, but being bi, HIV threw me over to 1 on the scale and I eschewed men altogether….THAT kept me alive. I’m probably a 4 or 5 now, but age precludes me from being “in the scene” these days due to the ageism these twinky-tweeky pieces of crap practice these days. Is that being an “opportunist,” “Gay dope” or “Off the Mark?” Fucking faggots…hope you have good jobs, because if I were king, I’d cut your free HIV meds off in a New York MINUTE!

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: I lived in WeHo from 1978 to 81. It was a much nicer place then, unincorporated, run by LA County. Yes, we had our share of crime and “drama” (lovers spats ending up in someone going to ER, hustlers murdering sugar daddies, etc.) but not NEARLY as depraved as that place is these days. I won’t do down there anymore…tweekers running around Santa Monica Blvd. all night, bums kicked out of LA smoking crack on street corners because of überliberal city ordinances and mindset of “just letting them be” while they rip off cars and peoples’ homes…the place is a friggin’ nightmare. I’m quite pleased that I was able to live there when it was nice, everyone was working on social justice back then, and drugs were the exception, NOT the rule. Gay ghettoes are collapsing under the weight of high rents charged by opportunistic straights, high crime and high drug activity. Silverlake in LA is almost all straight now after being the “leather village” of LA for nearly 45 years, and WeHo will be straight and the “gay city government” will be dismantled by straight techie hipster who’ll take over. The remaining denizens of that place are now migrating to Downtown LA, known as “DTLA”, and they get into cheap rent housing ,only to find that crime from junkies, illegals and recent Central Jail releases are FAR more than they ever imagined. The Millennials? They go broke, usually after screwing up their lives on meth and pozzing up, and go home to live at Mom’s. I see it all the time.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I’m not into the whole hook up and take cum from any guy you meet that’s so prevalent among gay men either. My friend that’s in his mid 60s who is gay that had 20 of his friends and ex partners die from HIV/AIDS also got fucked up from it, and described it like surviving a war but he was once in the military. Now you have idiots who are both young gay men and older gay men who survived the 70s and 80s who believe it’s fine to have raw/BB sex with someone that’s HIV+ but undetectable or that if you take PreP/Truvada which is highly toxic as all HIV meds are, that you will stay “neg” for HIV. HIV rates are going to go up because of the large numbers of idiots like these.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: Another friend of mine that’s a gay man lived in SF in the Castro since the very early 70s through late 70s or early 80s at the most and he said he does not really go to the Castro or SF at all now unless it’s to meet friends, or unless his husband wants to go there, and that during the 70s and 80s even during the AIDS pandemic most gay men were selfish, obsessed with sex or revolved their entire lives around sex and having as much of it as they could with anyone, and that sadly not much has changed at all since then. I showed a bisexual man I’m friends who who is in his mid 40s text from the very old dated novels Faggots by Larry Kramer and Dancer from the Dance and he agreed that not much had changed since the 70s.

  • gayhope1990

    Piss off vermins,fucking homophobic.Go take your medicines.Bisexuality doesn’t exist,period.Scumbags

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: LOL says who you? I’m living proof bisexuality exists as everyone that’s bisexual is. Bisexual people outnumber both gay/lesbian, and trans people.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: Oh, it’s changed…a LOT. It’s gotten a helluva lot WORSE, in point of fact. I’d written a rather lengthy reply, but Qweerty’s clunky comment board doesn’t work well with long responses. Suffice it to say that, in 1980, when I opened my copy of the LA Teims and there was this article about the weird “gay cencer,” things went to shit at an every-increasing speed from that point onward. Guys started “disappearing” and no one seemed to really care, and NO one would admit that there was a killer disease on the lose out there. You know what I haerd in WeHo at the time? “OH, that’s those leather bitches and their fisting and all that! Besdies, that’s all upin SF!” WRONG…LA had the first lethal infections BEFORE SF ever had ONE. Ever since then, gay sex has sort of been a VERY dangerous option for me and conintues to be…there’s no real “fun” in it anymore. It’s more like negotiating with a terrorist or something. yet, these bitches are out there pozzing each other us, like it’s some sort of sick fetish. The whole scene’s disgusting anymore, and man, do I miss the ’70s as the GOOD OLD DAYS.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: Yes a lot of gay men do seem to have a fetish or kink for taking “raw poz loads”, “raw loads”, etc. Just look at the explosion of how popular bareback porn is and continues to be. I’ve had lots of men who are gay contact me and tell me how badly they want me as a top to cum in them or piss up their ass, and a lot of them are cheating on their husbands which isn’t surprising at all. I don’t have anything to do with them, and I don’t even maintain friendships or socialize with people like this.

  • gayhope1990

    @Eriko and DeserTBoB:Again and again you keep denigrating gay people,scumbags.Get real you’re insane because of your false sexuality.I just went to a gay pride or a gay bar once.I don’t feel anything about being gay neither Shame nor pride but I’m sick and tired of your homophobia.We don’t care about the past we are in 2016 not in the 80’s.You’re too old go to Florida with your buddies of another century.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: It’s not homophobia or homophobic to write about how a lot of gay men are self destructive and have unprotected sex, and don’t care if they get infected with HIV or other STDs or who they infect with HIV and other STDs. Being bisexual is no more false than being gay/lesbian/heterosexual is. Maybe one day if you live that long and stay HIV neg you’ll understand. FYI I was born in the early 80s.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: Everyone here who is actually intelligent is sick and tired of your biphobia which is worse than being homophobic and you’re a hypocrite troll. I would not be surprised if you are already HIV+ as it’s that common among gay men of all ages not just older ones.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: You know what? You just keep blabbering on, wanker. You’re aptly proving ALL my points for me, and I don’t even have to press ONE key.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: I think it was Harvard Med which identified the “biphobia problem” just recently, said it is a long-hidden but very onerous form of discrimination within the “gay community.” Problem the community has with us is that we’re their political firewall in the US…they piss us off enough, there goes their political support, ainxw qw ournumvwe rhwm vy incredible numbers. So keep pissing us off, gayDOPE…see what happens down the road. All it’ll take is ONE Republican presidency with a GOP House and there goes your gay marriage, there goes anti-discrimination laws, there goes the whole kit ‘n caboodle. So keep pissing us off…see what WE will do to YOU. We don’t have to worry…we don’t live in gay ghettos and are seamless in our movement through society-at-large. you can’t do that.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: Oh…I forgot…gayDOPE is eurotrash. Well, same thing’s happening over there, as well. People will get sick of your shit and paying for your free meds and welfare, and sooner or later, you’re going to regret pissing off those who’ve supported you for decades anonymously.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: Very true. Matthew Shephard’s past certainly was sanitized. His parents and the media ignore the fact that he was addicted to meth, coke, and probably heroin, was a male prostitute that was HIV+, and that he was a meth dealer. That being said he did not deserve to die the way he did even if it was not a hate crime and he was not killed for being gay; but was killed by two tweakers that were rival drug dealers over money, meth, or eliminating him as competition since it was a small town and he was a rival dealer. He also knew his killers and they would all use meth together.

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:The Eurotrash [email protected] you off.My friends are straight and deserve my respect your lot of posers not.By the way where did the Us’s culture come from:Europe.I’m in couple for years so your propaganda failed to aim at a target.Bisexuality is a joke.In Europe homophobia is a crime our enemy can take fines or prison sentences for manhandling us.Feminists and progressive are with us.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: In Europe biphobia is a crime and you’re the enemy and no better than a person that’s heterosexual and homophoic. Go join the Westboro KKKlan. Bisexuality is not a joke anymore than being gay/lesbian/hetero is.

  • gayhope1990

    @ErIko:I live in Europe and no the so called
    called biphobia is not a crime.No dictionary has this word because it’s a myth like bisexuality.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: LOL try harder troll. There is a definition of biphobia and being bisexuality is not a myth. Biphobia is aversion toward bisexuality and bisexual people as a social group or as individuals. People of any sexual orientation can experience or perpetuate such feelings of aversion. Biphobia is a source of discrimination against bisexual people, and may be based on negative bisexual stereotypes or irrational fear.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: 17 May, the European Commission marks the International Day Against Homophobia, Transphobia and Biphobia.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: LOL what friends? You have no friends, hence you’re a troll on an LGBT site posting hate speech against bisexual people and being biphobic.

  • gayhope1990

    @ErikO:Of course I am friend and I’m not a troll I post here for a few months and your lot of sluts these so called bisexuals are posers who wants to pass as straight.Many people thinks I’m right because in many chat room many gay people claims bisexuals are a myth as well.Choose a real sexuality:gayness or heterosexuality.And no queerty is a gay website.Their motto is free of an agenda except the gay one.On Google we read gay and lesbian blog.Get real fake guy who lives a fake live and is playing the victims like these so called bisexuals.

  • gayhope1990

    I have many straight friends and they are way better than you the so called bisexuals.Gay people are better than anyone we are perfect.Gay power!Down with the so called bisexuals who want to take control of our community and live a fake life.

  • onthemark

    @gayhope1990: Wow, you’ve had a busy night/day already – since if you supposedly live in Europe, the time stamps indicate you were posting in the middle of the night between 3am & 4am and here you are, still going at close to 2pm (14:00), lol.

    @DeserTBoB: @gayhope1990: And the same goes for you guys who are supposedly in the Pacific time zone and posting all evening long and all night long to 3am to 4am. Hmm, interesting that both of you would just happen to be up all night long like that.

  • onthemark

    @ErikO: Sorry I meant ErikO not gayhope1990 for that last comment.

    There is something suspicious about this ENTIRE thing.

  • onthemark

    @gayhope1990: 3:36am most of Europe time.

    @DeserTBoB: 3:07am Pacific time.

    @ErikO: 3:32am Pacific time.

    Perhaps Queerty is trolling us all (EDT) because it’s all pretty suspicious.

  • crumb bum

    @onthemark: I hope you’re right and they’re just trolls. This thread has become such a train wreck.

  • DeserTBoB

    @crumb bum: No, we’re NOT trolls….we’re VERY REAL. You übergays have a LOT to answer to. Clean up your acts.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: Can’t post links in this thing (understandably), but hit Google and search on “guardian matthew shepard jiminez” and there it is, a very cogent article about his family’s and “Gay Inc’s” attempts to bury the real history of Matthew Shepard. He, like most of the bitches in every gay ghetto in America, was a methhead and a drug dealer. It’s all in the transcript; you can jump through the hoops and get a copy of it for yourself…for a price. It was all there in the testimony. So much for him being a “poster boy” for the gay rights movement. Ask any of the übergays, though, and he’s some sort of saint. Disgusting.

  • CaliKyle

    @ErikO: Trust me on this people DO perceive bisexuals as open to both love and romance with either gender. I have experience with this so Im not being merely theoretical like a lot of posters here expressing their opinions. I bring this up to underscore my initial post which noted that sexuality studies are marred and ultimately iaccurate because there are too many variations of orientation definitions. A classic example of this is women with past same sex experiences are almost universally labeled as straight while a man who has a single same sex blow job in his past will ridiculously be branded as bi or closeted gay by most people. So the female is allowed to be straight but adventurous whime the male is in denial. Its utter bullshit. You and anyone else, and there have been more than a few, are free to label me bisexual but to me it will still never change the fact that I was born gay and remain that way. Just because I found certain individual girls sexually arousing does not mean I find women as a group that way. I don’t. Having had intermittent female sex partners from when I was 18 thru my mid 20s in and of itself does not change my status as a gay man, in my opinion. Nor should it change the status of a straight guy who dabbles with dudes in his younger years either – and to whomever said they did not believe this sort of thing ever really happened – you couldnt be more wrong. Sexual experimentation happens, people. The only time it changes one’s initial orientation is when the experimentation persists throughout most of one’s lifetime and/or happens regularly instead of randomly. This is a hard concept for all of you who have only ever had sexual experiences with only one gender, which seems to be the case for many here.

  • gayhope1990

    @Onthemark:I’m insomniac I don’t sleep much and I’m in holiday without my boyfriend I get bored so I post here./The homophobia is huge here.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: No, wanker, the BIPHOBIA is huge here, and 80% of it’s coming from YOU. What’s the matter, luvvy? B/f leave you to fend for yourself on holiday? Pity…..

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:He’s a boyfriend and because we are gay with the same opinions.Coming from the guy who keeps saying gay people are junkies or HiV+.And no I’m not hateful I’m trying to help you to realize you’re gay and not “”bisexual””

  • gayhope1990

    @DeserTBoB:I’m not believe in male bisexuality but for women yeah they can be bisexuals.Women are more fluid but for men it’s straight or gay,period.

  • DeserTBoB

    @gayhope1990: …despite ALL scientific and anecdotal evidence to the contrary, that’s your story, and you’re stickin’ to it. You’re an idiot, but most llikely just a bored little queen troll. Go find another hobby.

  • gayhope1990

    It’s you the troll DeserTBoB.You appear from nowhere denigrating gay people with old fashioned prejudices and playing the victim cards.I was posting in queerty before you.

  • onthemark

    Gotta love how DeserTBob has so much contempt for all those diseased twinks out there… and yet, according to him, he spends an awful lot of time on the same sleazy hookup apps the diseased twinks use. Gee, why would THAT be?

    How does DeserTBob describe himself on these apps, I wonder – does he say he’s bi? But isn’t that a turn-off for the twinks? According to him, the twinks all hate bi’s! (Or worse, since according to gayhope1990, bisexuals don’t even exist.) And does DeserTBob say how OLD he is? Millennials are so “ageist” you know.

    So we’re supposed to believe that all these diseased twinks are hitting on DeserTBob – an elderly relic from the ’80s – wanting to bareback him! Yeah right. How many millennials want to fvck a 60 or 70 year old ass?

    As a relic from the ’80s myself, I find all this very entertaining. :)

    Unless DeserTBob is now changing his story to say they want him to pay them? No, surely he would have mentioned that sleazy detail already, if only to condemn them. Or, maybe DeserTBob is changing his story to say the twinks want him to be on top? Slightly less unlikely, I guess – these gay millennials seem pretty fvcked up with the “daddy” stuff – but in that case, if Bob thinks he can get HIV that way, with a condom on, he’s beyond ignorant.

    Yeah, it’s all SO believable.

  • onthemark

    @gayhope1990: “I was posting in queerty before you [DeserTBob].”

    Yeah, you were posting here a whole WEEK before he was. As impressive as that is, I’m betting some readers still think you are both the same guy!

  • gayhope1990

    @onthemark:I don’t agree with the so called bisexual guys but yeah I think women can be bisexuals but men,no way.You’re either gay or straight.We men are less fluid

  • gayhope1990

    @onthemark:No way he’s a double account for Brian.He didn’t appear so much.I’m here for a month so get real.

  • onthemark

    @gayhope1990: “he’s a double account for Brian.”

    That’s possible, I suppose. It would be new behavior because Brian has never seemed to do that in the past. But he has been banned from Queerty several times.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Vicious bitch…nooo, I’m afraid I’m VERY real and not playing the usual queenly döppelganger trick that seems to be the favored fun thing to do on these gay “blogs.” You’re a relic form the ’80s? I predate YOU, and NO, I have NEVER paid for sex, and do not plan to start now. At my age, it’s immaterial, anyway…I’ve had my fun in the ’70s; I have more important things to do now…like gardening and watching Judge Judy and banging idiot gay boys over the head for being terminally STUPID. That includes you, M. Fuquewad…and don’t forget to take your brani-destroying Truvada…gotta pump up my Gilead stock, you know…at YOUR expense.

  • onthemark

    @CaliKyle: I totally agree with your post.

    (I’ll consider it merely ironic that DeserTBob agrees with you too!)

  • ErikO

    @CaliKyle: I can understand why you don’t identify as bisexual it’s because of how a lot of gay men treat bisexuals like shit.

    Actually, no not everyone percieves bisexuals as being open to love and romance with both sexes/genders. There are bisexuals who are able to fall in love with both sexes/genders; but it’s not a requiremet to be bisexual. There are bisexuals who only fall in love with the opposite gender, and then there are bisexuals like you who only fall in love with the same gender.

    In your hypothetical scenarios both the woman and man are bisexual as if someone’s actually hetero/straight they’re not going to get oral sex or have sex with the same gender. Yes sexual experimentation happens; but if you’re an adult, or in your 20s or 30s and having sex with the same gender you’re not heterosexual.

    You can call yourself “gay” all you want but you’re just kidding yourself. You seem to be trying way too hard to convince yourself and everyone else that you’re gay when you’re not. If you were really gay you would not ever have had or still have any sexual attraction to women.

  • ErikO

    @gayhope1990: LOL men are less fluid sexually? Or we can’t be bisexual. You know jack shit about human sexuality kid.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: How can you judge it to be “ironic” that I agree with CaliKyle’s thoughts, when they’re based upon REALITY…something the übergays seem to have as much trouble handling as the damned church nutters and Frump supporters!

  • ErikO

    @Dave Downunder: There are bisexual men who do partner with and even marry men. Us bisexuals have fought for LGBT/gay rights longer than most of the people posting here have been alive. But all the biphobia posted by gay men is not going to change this.

    @klaw: Well said. Ignore the bigoted biphobic gay men here, they’re just as hypocritical or worse than hetero people who are homophobic/biphobic.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Apparently YOU don’t have a job because you’re awake all night posting on Queerty until 3:30am Calif. time. How typical that you don’t address even ONE of the many glaring discrepancies I found in your posts.

    I’ve never been called an “übergay” though, and actually I kind of like it!

  • ErikO

    @zooby: What’s your point? The majority of gay men both in the western world, and worldwide are deeply closeted, and married to women. Biphobic gay men like you are hypocrites and a dime a dozen. Get out and meet more bisexuals besides spending your time on hook up apps looking for men to bareback with.

    @gayhope1990: No we don’t want to be “straight” but a lot of gay men certainly wish they were heterosexual or sexually attracted to women.

  • ErikO

    @onthemark: If you don’t know about how HIV and meth are rampant among gay men both younger and older men, you’ve been living under a rock for the past 30+ years. No the PNP, meth use, and barebacking thing are nothing new but it’s seriously gotten worse the last 16 years or so.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Okay, I stand corrected. You’re a relic from the ’70s, not the ’80s! (I never doubted that you “predate” me.)

    And I certainly don’t doubt that Judge Judy is the high point of your day.

    I was mostly just wondering why all those diseased twinks are clamoring to fvck you bareback? Because that part is so unlikely and can use a bit more explanation.

  • onthemark

    @ErikO: Yes, but that doesn’t mean every single gay guy in his 20s is doing meth and barebacking. A large majority of them are not. Many young guys are marriage-minded and indeed, quite prudish (IMO). I’d have thought that maybe a puritan prude like you, who disapproves even of pot-smoking, would notice such things.

    My impression is that meth & barebacking are a bigger problem where you are, in LA & SoCal, than elsewhere.

  • ErikO

    @onthemark: I’m not in SoCal or even on the west coast. Meth and barebacking are something you’ll find everywhere among gay men even in small towns in rural areas in the middle of nowhere. I’m not a puritan or prude just because I don’t hook up or have sex bareback or swallow cum. I’m more into having sex with people who I am in a relationship with. I don’t want a partner smoking herb because I don’t want a person who’s a total pothead as a partner for sex or for a relationship. If other people who I am not sleeping with or who I’m not in a relationship with want to smoke herb that’s their choice.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Honey, I have two pensions, med/dental/vision for life, equity investments, a home and property. I don’t NEED a job now. You, who never planned ahead and “lived in the shadowy world.” are probably just scraping by to pay that inflated rent in some gay ghetto, the USUAL end-up for your ilk. Get a CLUE, Mizz THANG….

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Ah…a stoner. Trying to aruge anything with a sooner is nigh impossible on any level. Go hit a rehab, beetyoch.

  • crumb bum

    Hey, so – to anyone (other than commenters) still reading this thread:

    -if you’re gay
    -if you’re straight
    -if you’re bi
    -if you’re trans
    -if you don’t identify as any of those
    -if you’ve had a lot of partners
    -if you’ve had no partners
    -if you use hookup apps
    -if you don’t use hookup apps
    -if you’re HIV+
    -if you’re HIV-
    -if you drink or use drugs
    -if you don’t drink or use drugs

    You are valuable, you are a worthwhile person, and your life means something. Please don’t listen to these people (or any others) telling you otherwise. They ain’t shit.

  • crumb bum

    Well, also including commenters. I just have some serious disagreements with a whole bunch of you.

  • DeserTBoB

    @crumb bum: Very nice. I see that the gayhope mess has given up, as has “off the mark.” Now then…I think this thread amply illustrates the continuing discrimination and ostracization of bisexual men by the gay male community at large. This is nothing NEW, mind you…but it’s far worse now, in this post-pandemic wasteland, than it ever was before. Many things are worse, very few better. The only that that’s REALLY better is that guys aren’t dying in droves as they were in the early ’80s, and no one seemed to care. I don’t know whether or not those experiences caused a quantum shift in attitudes that remained permanent in the community, or whether it’s just a case of the younger ones coming up just not having any mentoring and thus, have the worst social skills I’ve ever witnessed. To be fair, GenY and Millennials across the board are social boobs, of that there can be no doubt…entitled, self-absorbed, double chins by 30 from constantly screwing with their electronic doodads. I dunno…it’s just not very GOOD anymore out there. My friends in the same age group are in full agreement with at least THAT statement. But, for bi guys, it’s a LOT worse than the norm today.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I like your posts a site you may like is called bisexual.com I sometimes post there.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Simple questions. Why do you hang out on “twink” sleazy hookup sites, especially since you hate twinks so much and you’re so sure they’re all diseased meth-heads?

    Why are millennials demanding to bareback your 70 year old ass?

    It is a mystery.

  • onthemark

    @ErikO: “I’m more into having sex with people who I am in a relationship with.”

    We’re all impressed. Your medal is in the mail.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: You’re an idiot, that much is obvious, and no, I’m not anywhere near 70 yet. I don’t “hang out” on hookup sites (they’re pretty disgusting in my book), but it pays well to know what’s going on out there. After reviewing posts by dumbassed gay men these days, I’ve decided I reject the whole “LGBTQIwhatthefuckever” thing AND the rainbow flag…there’s no inclusiveness or tolerance in that whole mess, and I think it’s all run by diesel dykes, anyway…as is the whole of the “gay press” in the US. Their attitudes suck as bad as yours. So, go fuck yourself, congratulate yourself on that fact that you’ve managed to surely have pissed off several older gay men and ALL the bisexuals, and I’ll spend my money supporting other causes and vote without taking “LGBTQIwhatthefuckever” into consideration ever again! GOOD job, bitch!

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Yeah right.

    Now you say you don’t hang out on sleazy hookup sites.

    But you WROTE, earlier in this comment thread, that a lot of these diseased twinks are demanding to bareback your 65 year old ass, because they want to infect you with HIV.

    THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT YOU WROTE.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Here is only ONE fascinating comment that you wrote.

    When you hang out on those sleazy hookup apps, do you have a pic? (Real or not.) Do you say how old you are? (Minus 10 years, no doubt.) Do you SAY what you are looking for and what you’re into?

    If not, why do these awful diseased twinks make such horrible suggestions to you?

    I really don’t think Judge Judy would believe your story, Bob – tsk tsk.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: How wonderful that you have that much memory left. Yes, I DID write that, because I DID play with the hookup sites…BRIEFLY…and what transpired told me, in essence,” Oh man, there’s a WHOLE BUNCH of fucked up people on these things!” I have no accounts anymore, and avoid them completely.

    You don’t seem to “get it.” We’re everyday people who are part of mainstream society…but we’re factory equipped with “gaydar” just like you are, and don’t need to go to slums like WeHo to “hook up.” Most of the guys I’ve met in the last 20 years or so have been in everyday situations…I met the guy I was BFFs with at a straight bar, and that happens a lot. Your problem, and the problem of your whole post-pandemic generation, is that you want to play the victim, and demand your own secular society in the gay slums, and expect the rest of us to pay for it. It’s similar to the attitude of most of the ghetto blacks these days. I reject your whole thought process, and, after seeing what I’ve seen here, reject the whole “LGBTQIwhatthefuckever” thing as being a farce. So go cloak yourself in your rainbow flag, faggot, because you’ll NEVER get another vote or penny of support for me ever again. Oh, just so you don’t think I’m all isolated and such, I have MANY bi guy friends, some exes, some just friends of exes, some just acquaitences and friends from the old days….we’re ALL pretty much in agreement…”gay society” is OFF THE RAILS and needs some SERIOUS introspection and rebuilding. Your attitude serves as the hallmark for all that’s wrong with said “gay society” these days. Mind you, it WASN’T this way when I was just out of high school; quite the opposite. You GenYers and beyond have sure screwed yourselves, THAT much is patently obvious. You’re also dumb as a box o’ rocks, that’s also obvious.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: So where do you live? Longtime Queerty readers may recall that I live in Rhode Island (definitely no “gay ghettos” here!) and before that Massachusetts for a long time, although I had the misfortune to grow up in SoCal.

    You imply that you live in Palm Springs. Talk about a freaking basket case of a “gay ghetto.” Hypocrite.

    But I suppose you’ll change your story now. Or ignore the direct question.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: So….. okaaaaay…

    When you WERE hanging out on those sleazy hookup apps, once upon a time, did you have a pic? (Real or not.) Did you say how old you are? (Minus 10 years, okay.) Did you SAY what you were looking for and what you’re into?

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Because it seems you MIGHT have said something on those apps that made all those diseased twinks out there demand to bareback your 65 year old ass. (Or pretend 55 year old ass). For free!

    So, gosh, I’m just wondering what the heck you said. I can’t imagine. :)

  • DeserTBoB

    I wrote a reply, which wasn’t posted, so I assume that Qweerty’s throttling my posts, or their system’s just too fucked up to function. But here’s a recap:

    I do NOT live in “Bomb Springs:. That place is for meth-head oldsters who pine away for the “ultimate hookup” with tweeking twinks. Don’t think so? Go look at the sites.

    I have pics that are really me, I don’t do the usual gay thing of using stolen pix. I’m 64 years old. I’m in shape and don’t look 64, but I don’t look 40, either.

    I don’t have to tell you shit about what I want, what I like or whatever, because it doesn’t concern you AT ALL.

    You’re obviously a troll.

  • DeserTBoB

    Oh, by the way…here’s another facet of “gay society” which drove me out, so it’s NOT “all about you,” sweetcheeks> I’m sure you’ve been following the tale of limey attention whore Calum McSwiggan on the other artilces (on which I’ve also posted profusely), and here, along with dear little Calum, is a list of gay idiots who tried to pull off FAKES of being “discriminated against” and investigation revealed that it was all a lie, courtesy of poster “Tackle.”:

    “Tackle
    Congratulations liar, welcome to the pathetic club of fakers! Your club includes:
    Dayna Morales: lesbian waitress.
    Sarah Bray: Claimed barred from visiting her sick partner.
    That thing at the Dallas BBQ grill in NY.
    Guy who claimed “[email protected]” was written on cake.
    Lesbian couple who said a bakery tampered with their cake.
    Lesbian named Beth who said a homophobic note was written on the back of a birthday card.
    UCLan Student: Richard Scott Kennedy claimed to have been beaten by several me. But it turned out that his injuries were the result of falling face down.
    Quinn Matiney: said she was brandied by someone.
    Charlie Rogers: said three homophobic men carved homophobic slurs into her body.
    And lets not forget:
    Alexandra Pennell: and
    Kyle Wood:
    And many, many more. This epidemic has got to stop.”

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Oh, Bob, it doesn’t surprise me at all that you don’t have a boyfriend at age 64. (smirk)

    But you SAID that diseased twinks on the apps were demanding to bareback your 64 year old ass.

    That’s what you WROTE. It’s right here, in this comment thread. So what’s your new explanation of your phony story?

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: I don’t have one currently. I had one for 14 years, and it was nice, but he started “playing out back” with Mexican tweeker twinks and wound up with the usual meth habit, and I gave him the boot. His wife was getting to be a major irritant, as well. So no, no b/f right now…working on a new beau, however (soemthign which I doubt You’d have at ANY time.)

    OK, the “tweeking twink” incident? Here’s the CLiff Notes version, distilled down to basics, so your ADHD doesn’t get in the way. (I opine that MOST gay men these days are afflicted with that disorder, by the way. A couple of psychologists I know are in agreement.)

    On Grindr, this little twinkie who lives 20 miles form me hit on me, “Hiiiiii…” (I know he was trouble from the start) and I replied, and we went to txt form there. Turns out he’s 26, lives with Mom, no job, pozzed up, and wanted to see my pix. So, I sent him mine, and I got back copious pix of his nice, big ass in all manner of positions, including poses with various obejcts inserted to prove “pliability??” Anyway, he wanted to meet, and I said, ‘I don’t think so.” and he kept on. When he asked why I didn’t want to meet him, and this is also a quote, “Don’t worry about that shit…you just take a pill every day and everything’s fine!” So, I played him along to see what the motive was, and sure enough, “Do you have any faves?” This was roughly thte same story I got from several others on that, A4A and gay.com. After discussing this shit with some of my friends during, and two had similar experiences; the rest don’t even get on the sites.

    Intrigued, I met up online with another rone, this one long-term poz, living with Dad, no job, etc., VERY vocal about his status and that I should poz up too. He gave me tips on how he can “breed me” in one session, and told me it works better if I “clean out your hole with a bottle brush before you come down.” That was the end of the hookup sites right then and there, and yes, I saved transcripts. Now, I’m not on any of them. Also, I note that several are promoting bb anal with their porn offerings, A4A being the most notorious. Any complaints on their “blog,” run by some French-Canuck in Montreal, get greeted with blocking and removal of posts.

    Why the HELL would any RATIONAL person want to be a party to THIS “gay society?” Not me…a bunch of wackadoodles. Of course, you’ll just come back and say “it’s all fake, it’s all fake,” but you gay guys are horrendously “truth-adverse” these days, but will lie like rugs to get whatever it is that you want. Fine! Go for ti! Just don’t count on guys like me to support your skanky asses politically or monetarily anymore…we’re DONE with you. Oh, and take that “B” out of your “LGBTQIwhatthefuckever,” too. We want NO part of your shit OR your rainbow madness.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: “His wife was getting to be a major irritant, as well.” ROFL. Thanks for the laugh of the day. And he was having sex with MEXICAN tweakers? Didn’t even have the class to do it with “Anglo” tweakers? Oh my god.

    You still haven’t answered my direct questions. What the heck did you SAY about yourself on these sleazy apps that made you sooooo irresistible to all those diseased twinks?… oh excuse me, exactly TWO twinks! Obviously, TWO twinks are enough to condemn an entire generation. Kudos to you for your extensive research.

    (Guy #1) – Even if true – You do realize that you couldn’t possibly get HIV as a top with a condom? Or are you really that ignorant?

    (Guy #2) – How interesting that you were so “intrigued” (your word) by the first guy that you looked for a second one. And you’re saying this twink desperately wanted to bareback your elderly ass? So what did you SAY first that made him want to do that? What did you promise him – meth, money, what? Otherwise IT MAKES NO SENSE.

    Anyway, you sound like quite a catch. I’m sure you’ll find a nice girlfriend soon.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: You just keep proving my points, over and over again. Begone, troll. I hate rubbers, to the point of where if the situation is that I’d have to use one before the bottom is sketchy, I’ll just pass and jerk the gherkin or hook up with a chick. You fuckers just aren’t worth it, statistically, anyway…highest incidence of: (tada!) HIV, HCV, HSV, chlamydia, HPV, gonorrhea (including the new and improved “antibiotic-resistant” type) and on and on and one. (Source, Los Agelss County Dep’t. of Public Health) Yeah, you’re idiots are just SOOOOO enthralling these days. I saw two direct examples of this, and conversations with my bi and gay friends confirms that they’ve had the same or worse. Again, you just keep alienating bi guys…who’ve been your political firewall ANDD cash cow for former social movements like ACT-UP, CSW and other fundraisers like LA PRIDE, which now is no more than a #gaychella. There was a huge boycott planned for LA PRIDE this year, but the money grubbing guys who run SW now “promised to make big changes in the way we operate”. Another gay lie; they didn’t do shit; it’s all about the money. I remember when Kight organized the FIRST PRIDE march…it was a social movement. Now, the parade’s all about spun-out and drunk drag queens and NOT A FUCK OF A LOT MORE THAN THAT. Go sit on a horse kid “Off the mark.” Maybe that’ll keep you occupied for awhile…until your ADHD kicks in again…still?

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Oh, I’m sorry, I didn’t take into account your ADHD problem, so here, here are two DIRECT answer to your pointless questions:

    1.) I’m probably more aware of transmission vectors and odds of ocatching the big, AND int lies that Gilead has told about the efficacy of Truvada than you or any of the deluded gays of the “just take a pill!” genre.

    2.) “Intrigued” in that I was completely dumbfounded by the obvious attempts by Poncho in this case to land himself a “sugar daddy.” Now, in my salad days, I was warned by a couple of arc hold queens with whom I’d have dinner and we’d go out for drinks afterward, and one in particular warned me in no uncertain terms…”When you get old like us, hustlers will come after you for money, cars, rent, whatever…DO NOT FALL FOR IT.” I never have…at best, I’m a “Spenda daddy,” and not even that. I’m too cheap and worked too hard for all I’ve got to waste it all on human feces like that. But the fact that they have such a cavalier attitude about the bug and are WILLING TO GO SO FAR AS TO COMMIT SUCH A PROPOSTIION ON A SITE THAT’S ARCHIVED BY THE NSA is simply beyond the pale. Who cares about young stuff? I sure as shit don’t.

    There, was that too much for you, causing you to lose focus to where you’re planted on a dildo now? Sorry about that!

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: Well, of course. No one ever caught any disease from f*cking a chick. Everyone knows that.

    You still haven’t answered my direct question. What the heck did you SAY about yourself on these sleazy apps that made you sooooo irresistible to all those diseased twinks?… oh excuse me, exactly TWO twinks! Admit it – either you promised them meth, or you promised them money, or both. You’re such a classy dude.

    And you sure seem to have a lot of bi and gay “friends”… for someone who hates gay guys.

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Asked and answered, dimwit. Go find something PRODUCTIVE to do…like GO GET A JOB, for one.

  • onthemark

    @DeserTBoB: “Who cares about young stuff? I sure as shit don’t.”

    Yeah, that explains why you were hanging out on sites that have so many young tweakers. LOL

  • DeserTBoB

    @onthemark: Look, bitch…you’ve consumed enough of my time and effort, and I have other things to do today. Go find another hobby, or GO OUT AND FIND A JOB. Asshat.

  • ErikO

    @onthemark: Who’s this we? You and your micro-penis? I’m not surprised you’re into hooking up, and taking cum loads up your ass or in your mouth.

  • onthemark

    @ErikO: @DeserTBoB: Try not to stay up til 3:30am tonight chatting. That’s not good at Bob’s age.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: Don’t forget about Matthew Shephard, he was killed not because of homophobia/a hate crime, or a gay bashing; but because he was a meth addict/dealer and owed a lot of money to a higher up dealer, and the rival dealers who killed him were probably eliminating a competitive rival dealer in their small town. But the actual truth does not sell or make a good Hollywood film or story for the media.

  • ErikO

    @onthemark: LOL we’re not the same person. I’m not even near his age, or on the west coast.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: I told that asshat that I’m done with him. You can toy with him if you will, but he’s just another addled-brain queer with not a clue as what reality is all about. Have fun!

  • Homo Erectus

    @ErikO: At the risk of “beating a dead horse”… earlier in this thread I was disagreeing with that loon “gayhope1990” who thinks male bisexuals don’t even exist, they’re all closeted gay weenies, etc. Obviously that’s untrue, and obnoxious bigotry.

    But there seems to be plenty of bigotry in the other direction. According to the bisexuals here including you, ALL gay men do meth, are sluts, are Truvada whores, etc etc etc.

    I literally don’t even know how meth is ingested: smoked?, snorted?, dunno. And I have absolutely zero interest in barebacking. Ironically, when I made a reference to condoms – I just assumed Bob used them like any sensible man – he said “I hate rubbers!” and said he avoided bottoms who were “sketchy”… whatever the hell that means. Yeah, nobody ever got HIV with that scientific precaution (eye roll).

    At the start of this comment thread I didn’t know why so many gay men hate bisexuals or want to deny they exist. After all this, I’m starting to understand why!

  • onthemark

    @ErikO: Ooops, I gave away my emergency sock puppet!

    There is (or was) one Queerty writer who hates any dissent and who cuts off debate after a certain point.

  • DeserTBoB

    @Homo Erectus: Guys like you are a needle in the proverbial haystack these days, let me tell you. Used to be you could go out to a neighborhood bar or a dance hall and size guys (AND girls) up, a little voir dire, and quickly separate the real people from the weirdoes/addicts/mental fruitcakes in short order. Now, with bars a thing of the past, that’s not to easy to do anymore, especially with the hookup sites. It’s a pretty screwed up world out there on those, as I found out in short order.

  • ErikO

    @Homo Erectus: No I don’t believe that all gay men use meth but a large number of them do, or have used it. But far more heterosexual people use or have used meth than LGBT people, or even gay men have.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: I’ve seen something different, in that meth use seems almost universal out there in today’s gay world, to the point where guys in their 60s are doing it! Don’t believe me? Cruise around Palm Springs and start doing some investigating down there. NOTHING is more annoying, destructive and paranoid than a 60-something tweeker queen, lemmie tell ya! Fortuantely, they generally don’t last very long.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: That’s also very true, you have gay men of all ages using meth. I have never been to Palm Springs and have no desire to go there. I live on the East Coast and we have gay men of all ages using meth here.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: It’s not a new problem. When the Hell’s Angels cooking the first “chicken crank” out in Fontana in ’78 or so started doing business with aspiring drug wholesalers in WeHo around ’79 or so, things started going downhill rather quickly; by around ’81, RIGHT when HIV was starting to make big dents, it was a runaway train. It still is, and the “gay press” to this day will not admit that there’s a HUGE problem within its own community. Nope, the dykes who now control almost ALL of “gay media” would rather look down their noses at long established bars as being “bad” rather than confront the REAL issue of meth use by the men.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I’m not surprised by any of that. I have a gay friend that in his mid 60s who grew up in Southern California near L.A. and he said he first used crank or meth in the mid 70s, and that the meth scene there was so bad in the 80s and 90s there and still bad today in 2016 that he moved away in the 80s. I have read posts here on queerty by that queen stache who claims that in the 90s nobody knew meth was bad and that’s why he used it, and then he goes on to glamorize meth use and claim it gives you great sex but none of that is true. I have never used meth and never will. In one of your posts you say how you hate condoms, do you not use them or something? I have always used them as I have always known about HIV and how to have safer sex; but I’m not that into anal sex with men, and I use them with women.

  • DeserTBoB

    @ErikO: The only “great sex” involved with meth is that bottoms turn into serial cum dumpsters. Hence, they poz up in record time. Then, no one but other meth whores want them anymore, and neither can get it up, sooooo…. THAT’S the reality of the whole meth thing, despite what others might say. Condoms are such a bummer for me I just abstain rather than deal with them. I have to be REALLY horned out to press one into action. I gave up years ago trusting men; they all lie like rugs and are incredibly stupid about HIV transmission.

  • ErikO

    @DeserTBoB: I have never used meth and never will. I hope it’s like that for you. I have heard that meth makes every man that uses it a bottom, want to get fucked a lot without condoms, and that’s because it makes it so they can’t get or stay hard, and they stay awake for days or weeks at a time. That does not sound fun or sexy at all. Why are condoms such a bummer for you? I have always used them with women and men for anal or vaginal sex; but as I posted before I have always known about HIV and other STDs, and how to have safer sex as I was born in the early 1980s. If you are worried about HIV why do you not use condoms when you have sex with anyone? Are you married or do you have sex with women at all? I also do not trust most gay men, since it’s as you said most do lie. In my experience/opinion they lie about dangerous things that matter like HIV and having safer sex, and many do lie about things that do not matter. Before the troll GayHope or any of the others say anything this is not homophobia as gay men I’m friends with have told me the exact same thing and that the fact that most gay men have trouble telling the truth is why they are picky, cautious, or careful in lots of ways with them.

  • Kenney G

    What piss me off with bisexuals is they try to make everything in the LGBTQ all about them. They claim there are more Bisexuals than gay men and lesbians combine, and gays and lesbians are a community under the bisexual + umbrella. They have taken gay pride and turn it to just pride and want to change the gay bar into the queer bar, well good luck with that one.
    There will always be bars where just gay men go to and lesbian bars just for lesbians. And they wonder why gays and lesbian don’t care for them.
    Gay men and Lesbians will always have their safe spaces away from your swing both ways asses ,You will never see a bi man and his girlfriend in the night clubs I go to. So go hang out at the straight bars where you belong . They should know by now gay and bisexual don’t mix

  • Kenney G

    Everyone knows Bisexual men don’t exist, who in the hell like having sex with both men and women , It take two gay men to have sex with one woman, you need tow men to turn each other on so the female can get a little action haha Now that’s really F**d up

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