Masc4masc? We think not. With fewer and fewer gay men feeling comfortable identifying as either “masc” or “fem,” the general consensus these days seems to be that the whole “masc4masc” thing is an outdated expression from the gay hookup culture of yesterday. Yet you still see plenty of guys writing it on their Grindr profiles. Why is that?
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Now, a new meme has begun circulating online and it seems to have sparked quite a debate. The image features none other than our old friend who we can’t stand anymore Carrie Bradshaw dressed in a fluffy grey sweater and plucking away at her MacBook while pondering whether or not “masculinity” is really all that it pretends to be.
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zoomlens
“This Carrie Bradshaw “masc4masc” meme has everyone taking” — taking what?
Heywood Jablowme
@zoomlens: Taking a prescription sedative.
kiriakis1
@zoomlens: @zoomlens: Taking a good look at Queerty and wondering if it was ever relevant.
ymck
20 comments on Instagram? Yep, that’s a lot of people for a queerty post.
Realitycheck
This Carrie B. you ponder wrong, “masc” is what homosexuals are attracted to, “homo” means “man” aka sexually attracted to man, aka attracted to masculinity.
Why are fem in denial? Fem don’t like fems, they all look for the masculine guy, degrees of variations but masculine,
a better question would be why are some gay guys “masc” and some are “fem”?
SportGuy
Don’t really see a problem here, some guys prefer masculine guys.
Heywood Jablowme
Carrie has “man hands” in the photo (as in a certain “Seinfeld” episode with a lobster) or is that “Carrie Dragshaw” from a recent Queerty article?
@zoomlens: Ha. They fixed the headline!
PT
Get over it. I like masculine guys. I don’t care why. Feminine guys turn me off. And I’m a masculine guy – I don’t particularly try to be, I just am. Jeesh. I’m sick of people trying to make people apologize for what turns them on.
Brian
Carrie Bradshaw is confused if she thinks society privileges men over women. It’s actually the opposite.
Women can wear pants or dresses. Men can only wear pants. A woman will rarely tolerate her husband if he wore a dress but a man will often tolerate his wife wearing pants.
Female bisexuality is treated as if it’s special. Male bisexuality is treated like an illness or disease. Women generally won’t accept a bisexual husband but men will often accept – and even encourage – bisexuality in women even if she is not really bisexual.
Double standards galore.
Paco
And an even better question for Miss Bradshaw to ask would be…
Why do so many gay men that constantly announce their masculinity to the world, seem to not be very masculine or secure with it in the eyes of others?
Good question to ponder. Masculinity speaks for itself.
QJ201
With fewer and fewer gay men feeling comfortable identifying as either “masc” or “fem,”…
Where? not on Scruff, or Grindr… is this some secret gay universe?
truckproductions
the only people who complain about masc/fem preferences are the fem queens who want to screw masc guys but get denied because the masc guys aren’t attracted to them. To suggest masculinity is always just a “mask” is absurd. Just like there are naturally effeminate men out there, there are also naturally masculine guys too. There clearly are plenty of gays out there trying too hard to butch it up, but that doesn’t mean all of masculinity, in voice, in looks, in body type etc is a facade.
OrchidIslander
@truckproductions: It’s equally absurd to assume that “fem queens” are pining for guys based on nothing more than their masculinity and that “masc guys” aren’t into “fem queens.” There are plenty of examples out there that prove your broadbrushing incorrect. People and preferences are much more varied then you give them credit for.
ppp111
@Brian:
Of course most straight men will encourage bisexuality or the hint of bisexuality in their wives or girlfriends. Not exactly earth-shattering news. The fact is most women don’t find male bisexuality attractive, it just doesn’t do it for them. A female co-worker once said that women find it sexy and attractive when a man actually wants and desires them specifically. Most women aren’t attracted to a man who admits he wants men as well as women. It’s a turn off for them. They have enough competition from women, why would they want it from men as well?
Black Pegasus
Isn’t it funny that the people complaining the loudest about this invented problem of “masculine 4 masculine” are the same guys who want to hookup with a masc guy? Politically I’m as progressive as they come, but this new politically correct pseudo-intellectual gay culture we seem to find ourselves navigating has me rolling my eyes like a damn pigeon. I’m sick of it! And I’m starting to see why some democrats voted for Trump. They’re sick of it too!
I’m going to my Grindr profile right now and edit it with ” masc4masc” just to piss off some queen.
Brian
@ppp111: That’s exactly my point, thank you.
That’s why we should never fall for the idea that women are victims. Women are co-conspirators with our oppressors. They exploit double standards in order to obtain preferential treatment of the type I memtioned – ie dress codes and bisexuality.
Jack Meoff
Like some of the other posters here I generally tend to find that the guys who describe themselves as ‘masc’ or as seeking ‘masc4masc’ generally aren’t very masc at all. I think it is a question of what some guys mean when they say masc. For some they are only claiming to be masc in the hope of attracting same however I think the confusion lies in the definition. Many guys seem to define masculine as well muscled and perhaps with body hair intact but there are plenty of buffed up guys out there who are still quite fem so muscles and an over manicured beard don’t guarantee masculinity. Conversely there are plenty of ordinary guys out there who are not gym bunnies but are naturally quite masculine.
Louis
It always comes across as overcompensating which is a huge turn off.
It also comes across as an attitude of moral and righteous superiority neither are a turn on.
Its interesting seeing the predictably divisive statements here proving the point of how some within this community think of masculine gay men and how they always treat others that they deem not masculine enough or not as man enough as they are.
Its time for some of you to clearly get over yourselves and come back down to earth already you’re not special or superior.
JessPH
Stupid meme. If masculine gay men want just to be accepted by society then they wouldn’t seek and have sex with other men in the first place. Duh.
Brian
The expression “masculine gay man” is a contradiction in terms. Keep in mind that the word “gay” is an artifice that represents a feminization of male homosexual desire (MHD). Feminized MHD is a construct of the Left that was designed partly by feminists to create a sub-set of MHD that accommodates a woman’s anxiety about MHD in general.
Thus, the “gay man” is partly a creation of Leftist feminists that basically represents a harmless, female-like male.
It is totally pointless using the terms of the Left because you end up arguing in circles with no real purpose or meaning.
DMRX
@Brian: You realize that this is a meme and not something that Carrie Bradshaw actually wrote, right. Who am I kidding? You’re in your own little world.
Secondly, YOU are the one who’s confused if you think that men don’t have an overall advantage over women in 2016 America. Open your eyes and your pea-sized brain. It’s about MUCH more than who wears dresses and/or pants. Moron.
PRINCE OF SNARKNESS aka DIVKID
The dick wants what the dick wants even if that goes against what you think another’s dick ought to want
Captain Obvious
@Realitycheck: Everything was shutdown here. /thread
Brian
@DMRX: Gosh – I hope you’re not serious. If you don’t think that women get special privileges, you’re either ignorant or ignominious. I’ll let you decide.
CarrieV
@Brian:
Society not only privileges men over women, it also *values* men over women. In much the same way that society values and privileges whites over non-whites, straights over non-straights, and attractive/successful over ugly losers. The occasional non-negatives you see women receive does not mean that women have it better than men. They don’t.
Why CAN women get away with wearing pants? Because although all of society fought against the notion of this simple freedom, women FOUGHT and FOUGHT and FOUGHT for it. YOU can do the same you know, just start wearing women’s dresses, etc., and prepare to tale all of the sickening, vicious abuse that women had to take before a woman-in-trousers was acceptable to the society’s overlords (male btw). Jaden Smith does it, so do other hip, cool young people I wouldn’t know from Adam. Don’t complain about the hard work if you’re not going to DO the hard work; women did it way back when, so can men today.
As for female bisexuality… the reason it is revered is because it gets dicks hard, you silly. Bi women aren’t revered, but their willingness/ability to service men’s ejaculations are sure revered! Are UGLY bi women a good thing? Or dykes? Not according to society’s overlords, who as a reminder, ARE ALL MALE. Society says “the only good woman is one who provides enjoyable ejaculations”. But men are “good and worthy of everything good until they prove otherwise”.
These double standards do NOT benefit women.
So get out there and be the change you want to see in the world. Gays are normalized (though certainly not at 100% yet), trans people are becoming normalized, all sorts of people and things (divorce, premarital sex, fighting for rights) are today common and acceptable PRECISELY BECAUSE someone forced greater society at large to recognize that these people and concepts were worth fighting for.
Danny279
What I learned from this post:
1) The editors at Queerty are effeminate. 2) Grieved at their masculinity deficit, they want to make their personal failing into a political issue and encourage normal men to be more like them. 3) They are so dumb, that they can’t even do this effectively. If you are trying to persuade men to re-think traditional masculinity, you don’t use a meme with a female character from a female-oriented TV show.
Brian
@CarrieV: Oh, please, give me a break! Women fought for the right to wear pants? Yeah, right.
The reality is that women fought for the right to flaunt the double standard. It’s a form of privilege, not equality. Men ceded the privilege to women because women use the threat of withholding sexual consent to blackmail men who are sexually attracted to women.
I don’t know of any woman who accepts walking down the street with a husband who’s dressed in a frock. Do you?
As for the bisexual double standard that benefits women, women are to blame. Here is another example of women-seeking-privileges. Sure, men ceded this privilege to women but it is women who chose to exploit it and perpetuate it.
In terms of gender power politics, women choose to exploit double standards to obtain preferential treatment over all men.
Your view of women seems to be based on the idea that they are victims of men. LOL and double LOL. No, triple LOL.
CarrieV
@Brian: Yes, women fought for the “right” to wear trousers. And men can fight for the right to wear wtf ever they want too. It should be phenomenally easier today than when gender roles were so strictly defined. Try it yourself, rather than whining about it.
Do I know any woman who “accepts” her husband wearing frocks and/or high heels? YES, I do. But hey, I live in the United States. It’s not that common, sure, but only because MEN threaten to kick these dress-wearing men’s asses, not because we women have the issue. FFS, there are dating sites for women to meet cross-dressers. And the only people who lose their caca over men publicly in touch with their so-called “feminine” side are men, NOT women, who find nothing wrong with the gender spectrum.
My view of women is in no way based on the idea that women are the victims of men. EVERYONE is the victim of the greater patriarchy (I could wet my pants laughing at how *that* fact must really get you riled). Men, women, and certainly everyone in between are victimized by strictly-enforced gender roles. No man has victimized me (except for the occasional salesman I get stuck next to on long flights), and it’s really just y-o-u who keeps projecting and reversing how things are. This whole “women control men and women are evil and women have all this power and feminists hate gays, etc.” nonsense is quite frankly hysterical. And when I say “hysterical”, I mean it in the psychiatric sense, not the modern, humorous sense.
Your repeated Qweerty posts always focus [negatively] on women and feminists. That’s a problem with YOU, not with gay men as a whole, thank goodness.
scotshot
@Realitycheck: A bigger question is why you wandered in here. You make a couple of very broad sweeping generalisations which are false. Myself. i’m masculine until I have a nelly attack and if I have it in a busy place, who cares. I’m queer and I like it.
scotshot
@Brian: Oh! The horror of it all!
scotshot
@Brian: Are you a member of one of those Men’s Rights groups that run around in skirts?
If you’re so choked up with the fact that there are women against gay rights it’s time top see a therapist.
One of the major reasons some women don’t like gays is the fact that women can’t compete with a c***.
scotshot
…” A eminization of male homosexual desire…”
If we smart we’d stop having “leftist leanings” and become conservatives. I imagine that would go over like stating Trump is sexy and desirable.
The crazy is deep in you today – not only today, but … you know?
scotshot
@scotshot:
To ^^^Brian^^^.