If you’ve ever interviewed Kathy Griffin, one thing you realize very quickly is that your questions are kind of irrelevant. At best, they’ll serve as vague prompts for Griffin to talk about whatever is on her mind, her train of thought veering wildly. As in her stand-up, she is fast-talking, wide-ranging and highly digressive.
In this way, she is oddly similar to the current inhabitant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
Of course, there are differences between the 57-year-old comedian and Donald Trump: she has never bragged, on tape, about sexually assaulting women; she has never (allegedly) used her businesses to laundered money for foreign interests; she has never gotten into a social media pissing contest with the leader of a hostile nuclear power; and she has never put a fellow comedian under federal investigation while also deploying an army of trolls in an attempt to destroy her career.
That last one, in case you haven’t heard, did happen to Griffin. Last year, a photo in which she posed with a ketchup-smeared mask of Trump’s face ignited by far the biggest, most devastating controversy of the controversial comedian’s career. Blacklisted by Hollywood and abandoned by friends like CNN’s Anderson Cooper, Griffin found herself at the lowest point in her career. But what a difference a year makes.
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After successfully touring internationally, she’s bringing her Laugh Your Head Off tour to the US and Canada. Lucky for us!
As she hits the road once more, Griffin called Queerty to talk about her year in “the Trump Wood chipper.”
Why are US audiences ready for your comeback? What has changed between May 2017 and now?
I love this question. What changed is fucking true grit on my part. Everybody around me ditched me. Even though I’ve already made millions of dollars for networks and Fortune 500 companies. That was all out the window overnight. Everybody got scared as shit and ran away like cockroaches when the light goes on! So, the one thing that even I can do—even under the specter of an investigation—is I can put myself on the road. If the demand is there, I can do it. It’s one of the rare areas—and it’s one of the reasons I still do so much touring. A) I love it. It’s obviously the most uncensored platform you can have. But, B) it’s not really a system you can age out of. Cause you know, Hollywood is like Menudo; they age you out.
Pretty soon after the picture, I called my stand-up agent and I said, “Are there actual cities in countries overseas where they’re going to want someone to come over and talk shit about Trump?” Two weeks later I had 15 countries and 23 cities. That was really important because of course the audiences over there were receptive. They don’t think Fox News is real. Although can I tell you, Fox News was on in every country I went to. How much of a bummer is that?
How did you decide to bring Laugh Your Head Off to the US?
It was a risk. I’m not gonna lie. I had all the 65-year-old white dinosaurs—the same ones who had been saying “You can’t do it” my whole fucking career—saying, “Well, we don’t know if we want to do this tour.” The worst part was, “We don’t think you can sell tickets.” I had to fight with agents who don’t even talk to me anymore. Because I said, I think I can play Carnegie Hall again. What really turned things around was starting a mailing list. I no longer can blanket a city. I can’t just go to Minneapolis and blanket Minneapolis with press and see who shows up. Now, I have to actually target—no pun intended—my actual supporters and fans. They all want to hear the story. I was able to sell out Carnegie Hall in less than 24 hours, and I’m on my way to selling out Radio City Music Hall.
But part of what was happening a year ago was you were losing gigs because people were calling in threats to the venues, right? Are the venues you’re playing now still getting threats?
Yes and no. One of the things that happened when I was in—I call it the “Trump Woodchipper.” When that photo went live I didn’t realize that there was already an apparatus in place—it was no different from what they had used previously on political figures. When TMZ recorded my tour cancelations in real time—I’m thinking somebody placed a call—it’s not like the customers wanted their money back, it’s that the Trumpers were calling the theaters threatening to kill me or with bomb threats. Their threat of choice was—let’s see if I can quote it: “We wanna shoot her in the cunt, cut off her head and then stuff her decapitated head up her cunt.” What I learned later is that they were primarily robocalls.
So, now I know a lot more about the Trump Woodchipper—and so does the rest of the world. Because even though I still kind of stand alone in a fucked up category, he’s obviously done this. Although going to the extent of putting a comedian under a two-month federal investigation is literally historic and unprecedented—and also something that shouldn’t happen to comedians, but more importantly, it shouldn’t happen to civilians, whatever their field. So that’s a big part of why I have to do this tour in America. The death threats are still coming, fast and furious. The online hate is still almost just as bad—although now it kind of makes me chuckle when I see that most of it comes from bots. They’re faceless people that joined Twitter two days ago and all they Tweet about is @KathyGriffin.
A year has passed and I think it’s that people have seen this series of atrocities that Trump and this administration have done to so many communities. People finally just realize, That Kathy Griffin ketchupy mask picture wasn’t what we should be focusing on.
I was reminded of your situation after Michelle Wolf’s performance at the White House Correspondents Dinner. It’s shocking how quickly the “liberal” media is willing to turn on people like you and like her. Why do you think that is?
I think they’re kind of colonized. I’ve talked to many of them. It’s odd, in this last year I’ve gotten to know many journalists because nobody in Hollywood talks to me anymore. I have talked to many many journalists who are just afraid. And by the way, comedians are worse!
So when I went to the White House Correspondents’ Dinner—by the way, I have such good stories. I got in fights with everyone! Michelle Wolf’s set—I was the only comedian in the room, that I know of, so of course I felt compelled immediately, not to do my usual, like, “Get a fuckin’ sense of humor, you fuckin’ snowflakes!” But to really lay it out and go, “Hey, I was in the room. This is bullshit. This is what really went down. This is hypocrisy.”
I think you then saw a few of those journos change their tune. Today there are not as many people saying it was in bad taste, and there are more people saying, because of heinous things Trump has said, there are some journos saying, “Wait…this from the guy who was so offended by Michelle Wolf? At a dinner he didn’t even have the balls to attend?” And no offense to Michelle Wolf, but I still have this fantasy that he didn’t attend because I was there. I made no secret about it. The Washington Post did a giant article, I was at the table of The Washington Blade, the oldest LGBT paper in DC. I wore the fanciest dress. I wore a dress I would wear if I was hosting the goddamn Oscars!
Was there a moment when you realized, maybe my career isn’t over?
Well, there were two things. The first couple of days, May 30 and 31, I was such a wreck. I was constantly sobbing. And then things kind of started getting on track. Honestly, I got to work. I hunkered down in my house and while all the death threats were coming and while the FBI was calling and saying, “You’re a credible threat,”—it all actually turned into comedy. So, when Paul Manafort got that no-knock raid, I was like, “Ooh, I know what a no-knock raid is!” Because I had a retired FBI person say that they could do a no-knock raid [on my house]. And of course, there’s a lot of comedy in what a no-knock raid at my house would produce. It’s like a lot of pictures of me with Liza Minnelli. There are not government secrets in my house. It was so extreme it became funny.
Getting back to work: That has always been part of your brand, how much of a workhorse you are. The jobs you’ll take, the gigs you’ll do, all that stuff. So in the midst of it, did you think, “I can spin this into a comeback narrative.”
Absolutely! One of the calls I got was from Jim Carrey, who I don’t even know that well. I was sobbing, and I said, “Jim, just be honest. Just tell me: Is it over for me?” I had other people literally telling me, “You’ve gotta leave the country for eight years.” And other people calling saying I had to leave for five years. So that became funny. I was negotiating. By the way, I was never going fucking anywhere. But when Jim Carrey said, “Kathy, you are the most famous comedian in the world today.” And I said, “For all the wrong reasons!” And he said, “Are you kidding? Any comedian would give their right arm to have this happen to them! At the end of this, you’re going to have an act no one else can ever have.” That’s every comic’s holy grail. You want the story no one else can do.
I got down to work. I started writing. I have to admit, as crazy as this sounds, a lot of stuff that happened to me during that period and to this day is funny. This woman came up to me in an airport and wanted to confront me. She goes, “Traitor!” And I go, “Excuse me, my name is Reba. You have me confused.” And I walked away. I know that’s bad and I owe Reba [McEntire] an apology, but I threw Reba under the bus because I thought I could pass.
Ok…do you mind if I ask you about Anderson and Andy?
Ugh! Get in line! I’m like the Hillary Clinton of comedy. Everyone keeps saying, stop talking about it! But it’s all anyone asks about. I think I was very, very clear on my infamous 17 minute long YouTube video, where I was, some might say, too honest.
Have you seen their touring sister act?
Oh my god! The idea that they sit on Barca loungers and don’t even have an act. They talk to each other and then take questions. Of course, part of me is like, I wish I could do that! That sounds easy. But I actually have a skillset. So when I stand onstage at Carnegie Hall for the fifth time, tying the record with my beloved Joan Rivers as the only female comedian to do Carnegie Hall by herself… Like I said, I could have played a lot of places. I want women to go, Joan Rivers: offensive, but she played Carnegie five times. Kathy Griffin: a pariah, but she played Carnegie five times.
So, I get people who like Andy and Anderson. Obviously, I was in love with Anderson. He was my pal for many years. I get it. But it’s like, come see me! Come see a show with someone who has a skillset who wrote material and is improvisational and is gonna take a risk.
But jokes aside, is there any chance of a reconciliation with Anderson?
Why do you want that? Like why do so many gay people ask me that? He treated me like shit. Don’t send me back to my main gay who turned on his hag. And by the way, I’m fighting for the right to still say hag. I don’t want to be called a fuckin’ fruit fly! I’ve been in the real fight longer than that guy was out.
I’ve earned the term hag, dammit!
queerty02
“Why do you want that? Like why do so many gay people ask me that? He treated me like shit. Don’t send me back to my main gay who turned on his hag.”
I completely agree with Kathy on this…. The question should be “When is Anderson going to apologize?” And not just to Kathy but to the American public for cowering.
Sirea
who has anderson cowered to? he has stood up to trump in more meaningful ways than holding up a mask, and he does it every day. starting with the debate.
DCguy
@Sirea
Remember, he stayed in the closet and dodged reporting on lgbt stories for a LONG time. It was only after he was getting called out on lgbt blogs for being ashamed, for not reporting on lgbt issues, and for trying to minimize lgbt stories that he reluctantly came out.
tusgold
Typical WASP. Snoort. But he has no clue he is the tained monkee for ll trhoseuptight folks cause he gay
Sirea
That makes zero sense.
Anderson wasn’t shamed into coming out, he never talked about it officially, but he never hid it either. He was photographed with all his boyfriends. He never had a “beard” unlike Ronan Farrow etc. The reason he didn’t make it official was because he was a war correspondent in the Middle East where being gay is a capital offense. It is not a co-incidence that his last Middle East assignment was in 2011 and he came out in 2012. CNN has not allowed him to go back there.
Kieran
Since the author is from a gay website, I wonder if Kathy asked him to take the dick out of his mouth while he was interviewing her? ( In a joking way of course )
am_psi
How do you complain about being in a wood chipper that you jumped into? I used to think she was funny, but she’s so desperate now it’s pathetic. She’s obviously the type of person that throws anybody under the bus that’s not actively helping her collect her next morsel of attention. Don’t be surprised when she turns on the gays who she supposedly loves so much.
justsimple
Her actions caused her backlash. She is 100% responsible because she thought she would be funny and the fact is she wasn’t. I love how she puts the blame on Trump supporters, she is a grown woman who she take responsibility for her actions.
Maybe her friendship with Anderson was not as strong as we wanted. Yes they work together but the fact is he had an opportunity to defend her and he basically did not because he also did not agree with her actions. You cant say it’s because of CNN because they are anti-Trump. He made his choice with silence.
I find it irresponsible that she doesn’t own that. Our problems in society are not 100% Donald Trump and his supporters. And the fact is, let’s not forget that she did apologize and then went back on it because she realized that she could get more fame and that’s basically what it’s about.
leobaga
Unfortunately, Kathy’s worst enemy is herself. She crossed the line years ago with her New Year’s antics with Anderson Cooper, went farther with the mask, destroyed any credibility she had left with the apology retraction. She sadly is reminiscent of Hillary in that it is always someone else’s fault that she has become a has been too toxic to handle.
Queerty: I’m sure you’ll delete this comment again because you are so biased. Boo!
DCguy
Which “Antics” caused problems? Her “Antics” got her hired year after year. So please detail out exactly what you mean.
The fact that she is running a sold out tour would seem to indicate that she is doing fine.
Sirea
do some research, she has been fired every year
Pistolo
When it comes to her first amendment rights, I’m completely on her side and I have compassion for what she’s had to overcome to get to the place she’s at now. That’s constitution and perseverance of spirit and I appreciate that.
However, I’m tired of her bashing Anderson and Andy. Firstly, I find it ironic that this annointed gay icon is itching to scrap with two of the most prominent gay men in the industry to the same extent she is crusading against the world’s ACTUAL villains. Secondly, had Anderson never sent the tweet, she would’ve been bosom buddies with him still- everything she takes issue with him about is entirely over one Tweet. I think for her own sake she should just come to the mature revelation that she’s more hurt than she is full of contempt and that there should be a discussion between the two of them and not every talk show host she can book. And, finally, Andy was a bad boss to you….hrm, over 10 years ago? Then he actually gave you a show with his show as a lead-in when he was supposedly so nasty to you all this time. The lowest point, hands down, was Kathy publicizing a story about someone who slept with Andy in college.
Also, I get the feeling of betrayal stings like an m-fer but Anderson Cooper is among the most devoutly neutral, desperately safe CNN lineup- all those people are so milquetoast, so non-subversive and so uptight practically as a prerequisite. He bashed Kathy’s photo to save his career which he loves more than anything probably and you know what? I’m sure if Cooper threatened her career which she had to have been in love with all this time to be so successful, she’d have done the same thing.
So make amends, Kathy.
Sirea
the funny thing is, acc to kathy, anderson texted her multiple times. she ignored him.
his reasoning was that SHE chose to do the photoshoot and got him into trouble, so SHE should have reached out. Which honestly is not unreasonable. For once I wish an interviewer would ask her this. Why allow her to act like he iced her out?
DCguy
@Sirea
Except he was supposedly her best friend and didn’t reach out to her for months. Weird that you left that part out isn’t it?
Sirea
Best friend? I heard Kathy on Howard Stern and she said herself that for the last five years of their “friendship” she only saw/spoke to Anderson at their NYE show. I don’t know how you define best friend but “see each other once a week because our job requires us to” is not my definition of “best friend.”
For a full-time Kathy defender, you know nothing about her.
Horse Lips
I can’t wait to see her on tour. Many of us never stopped loving you, Kathy.
MaxTaste
I didn’t realize she’s almost 60.
Kangol
She got a raw deal because of the Trumpistas’ hysteria, but she’s still funny and is making a comeback. Anderson Cooper showed his true colors, and his snoozefest last New Year’s Eve with Andy Cohen couldn’t touch the years of hilarity with Kathy. I hope she now realizes that ithas always been the case that right-wingers could trash and humiliate Democrats, but don’t dare do so against the GOPers, who incur fainting spells and breakdowns at the slightest criticisms and jokes. But she also should wait till the alleged Russian traitor Trump’s and his associates’ exploits are fully revealed, though, and she’ll have more than enough material for another lifetime worth of comedy.
Sirea
what true colours? because he said the photoshoot was disgusting? It was.
Roan
It’s great to see Kathy winning and making America great again in spite of the vitriol from our own gay community.
dustychiffon
I think what made me sit back and take note was all the fake outrage people gave those pictures. It was so silly and obvious. Trump has said so many disgusting things and really has turned the White House into a swamp. History will not be kind to him, and Kathy’s pics will matter less then they already do now.
(Sips tea cup) but what I’d love to know is how Andy feels now that she revealed he likes to “play in the snow” before a taping. Andy probably hates her now because he has to do the show sober, as he and bravo executives knows the audience is looking a little closer now at his behavior Hahahahah (sip sip)
Geeker
I always got the feeling Anderson Cooper was a prick even when he (finally) came out and we were all supposed to adore him but the way he abandoned Kathy the split second there was some heat on her shows him to be nothing but a celebrity suck-up just like his new bestie Andy.
Sirea
Andy has been his bestie for 20 years.
Kathy is someone he saw once a year, according to both him and Kathy herself.
Teddy Ready
My reply to the Kathy Griffin Article, I must Note that I am a true Believer in the Constitutional Right to Free Speech. As I am a Fan of Satirical Comedy, I must say that I was not very Impressed by the Timing of Context in this Comedy Sketch by Miss Kathy Griffin. However, I am a Longtime Fan of hers even still despite the “Shock Value” of this Isolated Sketch. What got my Goat more than her Comedy Flop was the Opportunity of the Biggest Ego on the Planet Earth to Pounce upon the Career of a Great Comedy Artist to flip the Satire into a Personal Attack to further his Self-Serving Agenda and play on the Empathy of many in his Constituency. In a Perfect World, there would be too many Enlightened and Educated People out there overall who could See through this Smokescreen and most of the Great Popular Comedians who do not miss the mark on good timing and good taste. Hopefully, this whole debacle will fade away in time for Kathy Griffin. But the whining, the rants, and the more complaints she gives energy to in the Public Eye will only keep this whole misfortune outweighing in the public’s Mind than the Bulk of Comic Genius this Lady has Gifted us with in the Past. Let it Go Kathy, is my advice and focus your Work toward the loyal Audiences who took you to the top in the beginning. Then the future Sensation of Popularity will Override the Notorious Attention you have recently acquired. Best Wishes Super Trooper !!
Mykey
Andy and Anderson are so fake, just like Ellen! Behind the scenes, you can always know how they really are! Good luck to Kathy! I’m glad she pulled herself together and she’s out there again selling tickets!
Sirea
? how are they fake? Anderson has always said he is not close friends with Kathy and that he only sees her once a year. Kathy was the one who lied about their friendship. Now she herself admitted on Stern that they only met at NYE. So why the lies? THAT is fake.
Anderson was genuinely disgusted by the photoshoot. That is why he said it openly. And he was mad at Kathy in private as well. No difference. That is the opposite of fake.
Greg
Nowadays, with the Internet and social media, whenever somebody says something or does something offensive, outrageous or controversial, it seems people scramble to choose which side to be on when whatever it is comes out. Like the photo with the bloody Trump head. Right away people took offense and it seemed like even people anti-Trump were on Trump’s side and scolded Kathy or dumped her. I could see where she might have felt that she went too far only because everybody turned on her for that. I didn’t mind it. Same thing with Roseanne. She made a stupid comment and everybody got on their high horse and made a Federal case over it. By doing so, showed how against racism they are. Then we have the Chris Hardwick story with his girlfriend writing an essay about how she was in an abusive relationship with him. Right away, people called for Chris’ shows to be taken off the air, etc. As if what the ex-girlfriend wrote was completely true. People probably feel morally superior when they show their fake outrage at whatever the day’s racist comment/offensive photo/or #metoo moment is. It’s getting annoying.