Well, we made it, folks. The third and final presidential debate happened last night. Now we just need to get to election day and this never ending nightmare will finally–finally!–be over.
Related: PHOTOS: The Best Memes From Last Night’s Depressing Presidential Debate
In case you missed last evening’s spectacle, here’s a quick recap: Like the previous two debates, Donald Trump spent the entire 90 minutes spewing total nonsense, sniffling uncontrollably, and hurling personal insults at Hillary Clinton while she stood cooly and confidently behind her podium refusing to take any of his bait.
Trump called Clinton a “nasty woman” with “bad experience.” He somehow found a way to blame her for the fact that he hasn’t paid any income tax in nearly 20 years and warned Americans that there are a lot of “bad hombres” lurking in the shadows of our country. He also insulted our democracy by saying he may not accept the election results if he doesn’t win, and once again accused the nine women who have come forward saying he sexually assaulted them of being fame-hungry liars.
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Related: PHOTOS: The Memes From That Depressing Presidential Debate Keep Getting Better
It was a pretty disgusting and disturbing night. Thankfully, people on the Internet have once again helped find the humor in it all. Scroll down for some of our favorite memes from last night’s disastrous debate…
desertguy
Interesting debate. Are these the two best candidates to ever run? Oh heck no! Lots of slinging on both sides? Oh heck yea! But isn’t that what much of gay bar talk is all about? Slinging and dishing and demeaning? Oh heck yea! And if anyone disagrees, you are not being truthful…. Check yourself on that one!
I could go on and on and on, but what would it matter? Scroll back up and read the cartoons. Yes, very funny. Very, very funny, but so one sided. If you are truly going to be fair, post some Hillary cartoons.
That all aside, yes, I am a gay man, and yes…I am voting for DONALD TRUMP.
Enough of the Clinton Machine and the self serving Clinton Charities.
But then again…Some will say…..”What does it really matter???!!!
I rest my case.
BigWill
@desertguy: Whatever, dude.
For one, this is gay news and gossip (and pictures of hot guys, thankfully), not the New York Times (or I guess the Washington Times at your house). DJT has appeared in front of every right-wing nutter religious hate group that would have him and declared that he’d appoint SCOTUS judges who would overturn LGBTQ hard-won (and long past due) rights (see Tony Perkins, Jerry Falwell Jr., Franklin Graham, et al). So for you to think a gay site should treat him with anything other than scorn is…let’s just be charitable and say naive. If your rights as a gay man mean so little to you, I pity you.
dannyboi2
@desertguy: It matter a hell of a lot to people that reley on AIDS medication, 11 million to be exact. If you vote for Trump let me remind you that you are enabling, racism, bigotry, sexism, homophobia, women’s right to choose, sexual assault, tax evasion, trickle down economics, Fascism, a dictator, Equality, losing the right to marriage, corruption, blackmail, extortion, rape, bankruptcy, bulling, lying, the affordable care act, If you ever get sick and can’t afford those medications the Clinton foundation can help keep you alive, but you’d rather lose all that because “The Clinton Machine” What is the Clinton Machine? Is that something you picked up from Faux News? What has Hillary done wrong to You Personally have been affected by? Is this election about your butt hurt feelings or what’s best for all Americans? So think twice if you think a vote for Trump is worth your misogynist attitude. Go for it, but going backwards doesn’t help anyone not even you.
pharaon.em.joe
@desertguy: @desertguy: bad hombre ?
joeyty
Hillary not remembering the Pulse massacre victims count, “…uhhh….dozens….”
desertguy
@BigWill: @BigWill: And a whatever dude back at ya!
My rights as a human being come first. My rights as a gay man fall into place as they should. A man that happens to be gay. It’s called mutual respect. Something many on the left know nothing about. I am not going to get into a war of words with you BigWill. I will continue to live a good, clean life respectful of others. Accepting of all walks of life without the self-serving attitude that many people seem to have these days.
I wish you the best in achieving inh life what you think you so dearly deserve.
Remember….all that glitters is not gold….at least not real gold..
joeyty
I think Hillary will probably win though because of Trump’s foolish position on abortion. So we’ll be stuck with the corrupt Arkansas homophobes for a while.
dwes09
@joeyty: Please provide actual CURRENT examples of Hillary expressing or acting on homophobic belief. I repeat as you seem unclear on the difference between your imagination and the real world: ACTUAL CURRENT EXAMPLES. Keep in mind that the desire to offer sanctuary to refugees(overwhelmingly women and children, and) does not constitute homophobia just because you harbor misunderstandings about Islam as a whole (and you do Blanche, without doubt).
Please contrast that with Trump’s plans regarding SCOTUS justices, his choice of running mates, his interactions with right wing Christians and white supremists, his approval of the anti-gay and anti trans republican platform. These are actual things Trump has done as opposed to the products of various right wing imaginations.
You criticize her referring to the deaths in Orlando as “dozens”. Last I looked, 50 was in fact about 4 dozen. Your niggling criticism is silly.
He BGB
These debates are so intense. I wonder what it would be like if Trump said something kind or funny to Clinton and vice versa for some relief. They don’t let up and after the first 30 minutes or so he resorts to name calling and meanness. Calling her a nasty woman? What good does that do? I know his people love that tho.
joeyty
@dwes09: You’re a self-hating Jew. You actually support Muslims who have STATED they want your head removed. No wonder you support Hillary.
dannyboi2
If voting for Trump is somehow punishing Hillary for whatever brainwashing the GOP has done to you over the las 30years, but a world with Trump as President would be desastorous to LGBT rights are at stake in this election.
The next president will likely appoint several justices to the Supreme Court, altering the makeup of the bench for a generation to come. One of the candidates (TRUMPO) has repeatedly promised to name judges in the model of the late Justice Antonin Scalia.
Justice Scalia dissented in our Lawrence v. Texas case, writing, “Many Americans do not want persons who openly engage in homosexual conduct as partners in their business, as scoutmasters for their children, as teachers in their children’s schools, or as boarders in their home” and they view this as “protecting themselves and their families from a lifestyle that they believe to be immoral and destructive.”
Obviously that should trouble you, despite our recent Supreme Court victory that made marriage equally available to same-sex couples throughout the United States, numerous issues critically important to the LGBT community are likely to come before the Court again soon.
A jurist in the mold of Justice Scalia could threaten marriage equality, attack protections for transgender people, and block access to health care for people with HIV. abortions and simply would take us back 50 years and if your in the closet now just wait for Trumps Alt/Right KKK and Religious Right get there way. So put aside your ego and Vote your conscious not your feelings. Bernie Sanders is voting for Her and so should you!
joeyty
@He BGB: I DID love it. She actually threatens women who ccuse Bill of rape ? That’s pretty contemptible.
Kangol
Trump was so upset at the end he couldn’t even bring himself to leave his podium. Well, you did it to yourself, you crazy MF! And the GOP got whom they deserved. Next time, nominate someone who isn’t a r@cist, misogynistic serial predator-narcissist-business fraud-alleged child rapist, who then picks a raging homophobe as his running mate and you might win in a landslide against a candidate as flawed as Hillary Clinton.
batesmotel
He called her a ‘nasty woman’ because she had just said something that slandered him. Don’t you people listen to a debate or are you just picking and choosing what you want to hear? And don’t tell me that if someone slandered you that you wouldn’t retaliate with something much worse than ‘nasty woman’. So quit your whining!
wmca_goodguys
“Nasty”? Trump is so right. Hillary Rotten Clinton is a vile, corrupt, treasonous, evil politician. She is not trustworthy. She’s a plutocrat of the “ruling elite” class. She lacks character and integrity. This is the sort of person we want to hold up to our children as worthy to be president of our great country?!! Shame on anyone who’d support her.
joeyty
@wmca_goodguys: And creepy lech first First Husband Bill chasing chubby girls around the Rose Garden.
John
I do not want a liberal SC nor do I want a conservative SC, I want a fair SC. Also, I read above bout 11 million people depending on a Clinton win for their AIDS meds. umm remember we all have this wonderful ACA now (you know the one that told me I could keep my doctor, not true AND as of Oct1, can’t even keep my pharmacy). I want integrity in gov’t, I want integrity in Dr.’s (how many people are on disability because they couldn’t find a job during this administration. Dr.s just signed off so they would take them out of the “working pool” to skew that stat) How many people are working p-time (because employers dont want to offer insurance?) How many of those Aids people are undetectable but still on disability because of unscrupulous dr,s) Where has American integrity gone in the last 20-30 yrs? either of these candidates are better than the other…. this is how low we have sunk
He BGB
Did Donald Trump have a mother and did she not teach him how to treat women?
joeyty
@He BGB: Did Bill Clinton have a mother ?
Kangol
@joeyty: Yes, we saw her in the 1990s. God rest her soul. Her son isn’t alleged to have raped a 13-year-old, as Trump is. He’s a sick lying psycho. @batesmotel: The orange sex assaulter didn’t pay federal income taxes for years. She didn’t slander he, he admitted he’s a tax dodger. You might not grasp basics like that, but he admitted in the second debate. Sex assaulter Trump can whine all the way to the r@cist Alt-Rite cave where he belongs!
leobaga
Trump will help change the economy more so than Clinton.
And that’s what we need right now.
A stronger economy will be created through greater production inside America.
Companies should be taxed a lot of money for importing goods manufactured over seas.
Example the cost of an iPhone produced in China is $30.
But sells here for $700.
How does that help anyone?!?
Also, people need to get rid of their credit cards.
We are a country that borrows from our own banks to purchase overpriced products that we don’t really need. And when it comes time to pay the bills we can’t.
If this pattern continues this will be the downfall of our society.
Goforit
@batesmotel: What’s to “whine” about? Hillary is going to be president. Trump will never be in politics again. He has hurt his brand so badly that he will probably suffer financially; both here and abroad. And the republican party will need years to be viable on a national level again, if ever. Sounds like a win, win, win to me.
archiesdaddy
Donald Trump appears boorish, not at all cultured and not very likable. Hilary Clinton is a crook, a pathological liar and a thief. Donald raises alarm bells, it is true. He causes some of us to worry. Hilary, however, ought to be in prison and if she lived in Europe she very probably would be. Is this the best you can offer the world? O tempora, O mores.
Bob LaBlah
@archiesdaddy: “Donald Trump appears boorish, not at all cultured and not very likable. Hilary Clinton is a crook, a pathological liar and a thief. Donald raises alarm bells, it is true. ”
You too have noticed that this guy has a vocabulary on a 5th grade level and mentality of a high school freshman to boot. This guy has to repeat EVERY THING he says twice. Its almost like a stuck LP record needle on an album. Not only that but the sheer splendor he is accustomed to makes me wonder how many tens of millions will be needed to redecorate the white house and the presidential jet to suit his tastes. Hell, he’s criticized every thing else in Washington so why not that too?
I won’t go into the old hillbilly. I’m just gonna hold my nose and vote for her. I sure wish Obama could serve another term.
joeyty
All of the candidates (and First Spouses) might be the scumbags and rapists they’re alleged to be, so just vote for the one you think will be in your own best interests. Pick YOUR scumbag. (Like many once had to do with Hitler and Stalin).
adamnfool
@desertguy:
Unfortunately no one gets to really choose their own name, despite what anyone may tell you.
And while it’s nice that you don’t want your sexuality to define you, the world sees you as a gay man first.
Sorry bro, but you’re stuck with us.
GayEGO
Trump was stammering and stuttering when Putin was mentioned in the Russia hackers of TrumpyLeaks, he must be under Putin’s thumb. Trump acts like a bully which they say is someone who acts bold to hide their lack of self confidence. That makes Putin the top and Trump the bottom. :>)
adamnfool
@desertguy:
And if you do vote for Trump, I hope you do it with a deep anger in your heart for being forced to choose for what I’m guessing are the policies you support over your rights as a gay man, which are inarguably not favored by the GOP. This sort of choice is not forced upon the larger population, and it shouldn’t be put on us.
And I can’t help but think your desire to not think of yourself as a gay man first has to do with thinking the “gay community” doesn’t represent you. But the “gay community” is as diverse as the straight one, so I would recommend being the gay man you want to be, and have that be the definition of gay. Because I can guarantee you that if we don’t think of or put ourselves first, then no one will.
joeyty
@adamnfool: “Because I can guarantee you that if we don’t think of or put ourselves first, then no one will” No no no, we’re not allowed to do that. Most of the Queerties say we have to put Muslims FIRST because “Diversity” matters more than our rights as homosexuals.
adamnfool
@joeyty:
I’m going to start by rephrasing your statement to not be a strawman. When posting, ask yourself why you are communicating. Is it to vent your frustration or is it to convince your debate opponents?
“Many people on Queerty do not believe the physical threat from radical islamists (I have no problem using this term if it can help the conversation) is more of a danger to them than the threat posed by radical christians who are now currently forced to barely conceal their knives.”
I count myself in this group. Muslims are not in power in this country. I believe cowardly lone wolf attacks pose no great threat to our population as a whole, while obviously extremely devestating. On the other hand a roleback of our rights which is part of the GOP platform (and would just be the beginning), will push us back into the shadows. And the shadows is where all of us become vulnerable.
Have a good day Internet person. If you’d like to continue the discussion, I might be delayed as I am starting my workday.
joeyty
@adamnfool: We can continue it or not continue it, I’m just saying that the Queerty position is that we do NOT put gays nor homosexuality first. We’re supposed to yield to Diversity (with a capital D) no matter how homophobic that diversity is. If I say I’ll kick any homophobic Muslim’s ass (because I’m gay) then I’m the bad one in most gays’ eyes.
canuckdave
As a Canadian and probably most of the planet I am amazed that Donald Trump could lead the free world. God help us.
adamnfool
@joeyty:
You wouldn’t be an ass because of diversity (with a capital or lower case d), you would be an ass because the homophobic Muslim has to be physically attacking you or about to be physically attacking you or someone else before you can engage them physically in return.
You can hate the homophobic Muslim. You can “cast shade” on the homophobic Muslim. I assume this happens with some sort of umbrella like device. But the homophobic Muslim has a right to be any sort of combination of homophobic and/or Muslim. The Gandalf area I think is the level of “inciting violence” that should be allowed before people need to be protected.
Furthermore, I can only but assure you there are Muslims who are not homophobic. Just as I am sure that there are many christians who are not anti-gay. Just as I am sure that you don’t want to be stereotyped as a gay man as what some people think gay men are. Hint: something to do with the source of all evil in the universe.
I offer no % of Muslims who are not anti-gay, but nonzero (and I bet its a bit higher than that) means that I personally wouldn’t associate the two as if they are the same. And you should perhaps consider it too. Is it not good to make your position as nuanced as reality itself? Lets both agree to take a stand against homophobia in Muslim culture at the exact percentage that it exists in all of society. Agreed?
And if you’re worried about Sharia gaining undue influence on our state, I also just have to say that I feel strongly that the coolness of America being a relatively kinda free and firstish world society (I really need to end this post, so I’m not getting into the exceptions) will have a liberalizing effect on small populations of fundamentalists, rather than the fundamentalists converting America. That’s NOT how things are trending, and that’s demonstrable data.. Furthermore due to the duality of our political system, I would not be surprised if Trumps anti-muslim policies and statements might drive a higher percentage of the muslim population into the democratic party more than they would have, reducing any potential cultural isolation, and hastening this process.
Anyways, in conclusion, don’t threaten violence unless its absolutely necessary.
adamnfool
And don’t threaten violence ever actually… unless it’s mutually assured nuclear destruction. If you have to defend something, you should probably be actively defending it rather than threatening anything or anyone.
Your statement doesn’t make much sense to me on many levels of scrutiny.
joeyty
@adamnfool: Sorry. I don’t know any Muslims who aren’t homophobic. The gay-friendly Muslim is like Bigfoot to me. Somebody else always saw him. (I know Baghdad before the Mongol invasion was a different story, but….since then…) 52 percent of the Muslim population of the UK now admits they want homosexuality made illegal, so we have to stop pretending there’ll be some assimilation process. Muslims are not Hindus. And any threats of violence from me are only in response to Orlando, Seattle, NYC, San Bernardino, Paris, Boston, Mumbai, London, Nice, Brussels…… But of course most gays want me, the gay guy, to die for saying that. How dare I attack Diversity??
joeyty
@adamnfool: “You wouldn’t be an ass because of diversity (with a capital or lower case d), you would be an ass because the homophobic Muslim has to be physically attacking you or about to be physically attacking you or someone else before you can engage them physically in return” Well…I was attacked right in NYC on 9-11. But those attackers were dead, so…. But you’re saying I have to be attacked, physically,before threatening violence back ? What about with this guy ? https://www.queerty.com/islamic-preacher-lecturing-london-seen-outlining-ways-kill-gay-people-20161007
joeyty
@adamnfool: “Lets both agree to take a stand against homophobia in Muslim culture at the exact percentage that it exists in all of society. Agreed?” No, because the level of homophobic attacks from different religious groups is not equal. Your position is like saying the U.S. should have gone to war against Canada, too, during WWII , instead of only Germany and Japan.
adamnfool
@joeyty:
“But you’re saying I have to be attacked, physically,before threatening violence back ?”
Yes. Yes, this exactly. I mean obviously. Are you trolling me? If you are, I’m falling for it hard. Grats, I’m an idiot.
But yes, you have to be being attacked physically, and/or know of imminent attack on you or someone else by THE EXACT HUMANS BEINGS YOU INTEND TO FIGHT, before engaging in violence. This is a very old argument though if you want to know. Where is the line between defense and attack? But even if we use a “stand your ground” test, the homophobic Muslim has to be coming at your ground at that exact moment. You can’t just go hunt down and kick the ass of any random Muslim because you believe every one of them is out to get you at some later point in the future. That’s totes not acceptable dudebroski. The social contract between us clearly states that joeyty is not Judge Dredd. It’s written right here. Not there. Here, next to, you’re not Batman either.
But if you know of a plot against gays, go tell the police or whatever agency of the government you still trust to be against terrorism, and they’ll investigate. That’s their job. And yes you do need evidence, besides “they’re muslim”.
Anyways, I’m pretty sure that the random Muslim on the corner is most likely thinking about when they are going eat next, or that they really need to take a shit, or if that mole is getting bigger, or how prayers angle with the curvature of the earth, or why christians wear the torture devices of their savior around their necks, or whatever happened to that Roanoke Colony, or why is their a maximum velocity anyways that’s weird isn’t it, or why that gay guy across the street is staring at him and making kicking motions dude what the fuck I’m putting that on youtube, or any number of rather benign human things instead of active planning the subversion of our nation. I’m pretty convinced it takes a lot of people’s brainpower to just get through life man, because at least it does for me, and it’s now friday and I’m on queerty. -_-
And as for the taking a stand equation. (total # of homophobic muslims)/(total homophobic american citizens) = the % we should take a stand against homophobia in Muslim culture specifically. Agreed?
I’m going to go enjoy my friday now. But I’m glad we are typing out long responses. Do you ever wonder if sometimes things in the universe are complicated enough that they can’t really be effectively debated in N number of twitter posts, where N is a any integer less than I dunno, say 20? So the limited text rules of twitter might effectively be encouraging a false belief in substantial communication exchange to some % of its users and adding to national the fury and confusion? I sometimes do. SAD.
joeyty
@adamnfool: “But you’re saying I have to be attacked, physically,before threatening violence back ?”
Yes. Yes, this exactly. I mean obviously. Are you trolling me? If you are, I’m falling for it hard. Grats, I’m an idiot. I disagree. If I find out somebody is going to carry out an attack like in Beslan, against children, I’m getting violent against those plotters. Even though their violence isn’t directed at me.
joeyty
@adamnfool: Muslims make up a small percentage of the US. population but have already provided the three biggest attempts at mass murders of gays. Imagine what will happen when their numbers double and triple? So go enjoy your Friday night out……but….do the math, too. And when you imagine Muslims engaging in all sorts of benign activities like pondering over Roanoke and buying bubble gum…know that waiting for the day they can hang men for homosexuality IS on the list. Just like in Muslim-majority countries. (But…that’s fine with you. We have to bow down to sacred Diversity).
adamnfool
“If I find out somebody is going to carry out an attack like in Beslan….”
1) in what universe is this happening where you and you alone have this information?
2) in what universe is this happening where you and you alone have this information and you as the next James Bond must act immediately instead of going to the police?
3) in what universe is this happening where you and you alone have this information and you as the next James Bond must act immediately instead of going to the police and you still think people would be against your actions?
Everyone gives you permission to stop a terrorist attack if you happen to walk into a terror cell meeting and become an action hero. Okay go for it, sure.
There are real things to worry about in life though that actually might happen. But muslims enacting Sharia law in the United States is not a possibility. There’s not even close to a mechanism. Let that one go. The US is strong,
as are the mechanisms of its government. Amending the constitution is ridiculously hard.
Justice errors on the side of being retroactive. It’s the real price of liberty.
Finally I’m going to hazard a guess that your use of the words “kick anyone’s ass” implies you might describe yourself as this “masc” half word concept thing? I could be wrong but it feels like a safe assumption. I would then recommend RL roleplaying a guardian sentinel rather than ravenous attack dog. Guardians, defense, light side etc. Think about it Anakin.
joeyty
@adamnfool: (Stop with all the sci-fi references. I’m starting to picture you wearing Spock ears). I suspect you would have been one of those trying to laugh off the Third Reich in the 1920’s too. Look…my initial point was that gays are not put first by a huge portion of the gay community. I live in NYC, I know this from experience. I know the way the gay ghetto reacted to my own gaybashing incident and the way they react to others. The gay ghetto insists you have to worship Diversity. That means you HAVE to want to enmesh yourself and your country in what hasn’t been the traditional norm/majority, even IF the new cultures are the most homophobic the world has ever seen. You can’t deny that, whether you want to believe my alarm bells over Muslims are legitimate or not.
joeyty
@adamnfool: “Everyone gives you permission to stop a terrorist attack if you happen to walk into a terror cell meeting and become an action hero. Okay go for it, sure” No, everyone does NOT give me permission to do that. Muslims don’t. Most gays wouldn’t. They’d say classrooms of Russian kids deserve what they get. Maybe YOU would, but….don’t say “everyone.”
adamnfool
You don’t have to worship diversity, but you do have to respect our laws.
If a person is in this country legally, then they have a right to be here, and without being threatened with violence by you. Anti-immigration ideology has existed for a long time, and for pretty much every group at one time. And it has always been proven to be a lot of reactionist hot air.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_Nothing
Humans hate the other. The other is everything bad. The other must be run out of town. There were other species of proto humans at one time. Our ancestors wiped them out, and took their caves. Don’t be part of the cycle. Being part of the cycle is worse than the problems you believe you are railing against.
And stop demonizing gay culture/ghettos. There is no Borg queen hive mind of teh gaize that is set against you. Just probably reasonable humans that don’t enjoy stigmatizing everyone of a certain type of people, or speaking of random acts of violence toward them. Generally speaking the gay community might have some personal insight into the dangers of fomenting hate toward a people. It doesn’t end well. And if you believe people want Russian children dead, I can’t express how much that is not true. You need to take a step back, and revaluate your model of reality because it looks like a 3rd grade diorama. The world is not what you think it is. A misanthrope is telling you people are not as bad as you think. Calm the fuck down.
Your anger at gay ghettos probably stems from feeling like you don’t belong. Well no one belongs in a group the size of the entire NYC gay community. I’m relatively sure you need to find yourself a small group of gay bros, hang out with them in person a lot, and call this small set of people your community. Forget about these issues that are plaguing you that you probably aren’t doing much to solve anyways and enjoy life more, especially off the internet. The happier you are, the less you’ll care about all the potential bogeymen, or the spector of a disapproving gay community.
adamnfool
Basically I could have saved myself hours by just typing:
Don’t worry. Be happy.
Dooo do do do do doooo do dowewewooo doweowwowoweoooo. Dooweweewoeeoo.
adamnfool
Actually I take my statement back. The Borg Queen is totesballs in charge of the gay hive mind.
Queerty please declare the Borg Queen to be a gay icon. What a wonderful world that would be.
WARNING: disembodied sci fi bust
http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/e/e3/Borg_Queen_disembodied.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100810172511&path-prefix=en
joeyty
@adamnfool: “The world is not what you think it is” Yeah, I guess I just imagined the Charlie Hebdo massacre and 100+ boys being massacred in the classrooms at the Peshawar school.
joeyty
@adamnfool: “Forget about these issues that are plaguing you that you probably aren’t doing much to solve anyways and enjoy life more, especially off the internet.” You’re right there. Getting off of the internet more often is good advice for myself and a whole slew of people.
adamnfool
@joeyty:
Charlie Hebdo died because he exercised his freedom of speech/thought against those who wished to silence it.
You want to attack ALL Muslims for their freedom to exercise their speech/thought.
He would not have agreed with you, and died not agreeing with you.
adamnfool
But I’m taking my own advice with less internet too.
joeyty
@adamnfool: Charlie Hebdo was the name of the magazine, not a person.
adamnfool
Thanks for the correction. Meant Charb.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charb
“Charbonnier was an atheist and pacifist.
Two days prior to his death, Charb had completed an essay on Islamophobia.[28] One year after the massacre, it was published in English translation, with a foreword by Adam Gopnik, under the title Open Letter: On Blasphemy, Islamophobia, and the True Enemies of Free Expression.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2015/12/16/from-beyond-grave-charlie-hebdo-editors-last-manifesto-preaches-against-hate/
joeyty
@adamnfool: I tell all gays who try to equate Islam with other religions to hold an art gallery showing of illustrations of Jesus, Vishnu, Moses, Buddha, Confucius, and Mohammad having gay sex. They’ll learn quick which religion comes with gunmen to shoot up art galleries.
joeyty
@adamnfool: It’s Saturday night. Go out…now.
adamnfool
You can’t condemn anyone for anyone else’s actions but their own. That’s pretty much the simplest way to say it. Even if it makes you more vulnerable. It’s part of the cost you pay if you want to ACTUALLY be the shining city on a hill.
A free society is a dangerously unstable bubble. It’s beautiful, but also way too fragile for comfort. Its delta G is extremely high. There are way more stable states of society that we could become if we go down the “Japanese Internment: Part Deux” route, and it would take a lot of energy to get us back to where we were. Muslim Americans are just as much Americans as anyone else. Gay Americans are just as much Americans as anyone else. Each of us have inalienable rights. It’s our historical legacy to figure out how to live together at any cost, and retaliating with violence will not accomplish a peace worth having.
joeyty
@adamnfool: “You can’t condemn anyone for anyone else’s actions but their own” Then it is okay to accept official members of the KKK or neo-Nazis as long as they don’t directly take part in cross-burnings or….?
adamnfool
@joeyty:
Have you not heard this quote?
“I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it”
I think it’s generally considered a good’un.
joeyty
@adamnfool: Fine. But …getting back….gays still don’t put the welfare of other gays first.
adamnfool
http://www.glaad.org
http://www.thetrevorproject.org
http://www.hrc.org
http://www.lambdalegal.org
You might not agree with all of their policies, but these organizations are ostensibly just that.
My comment on gay first had more to do with how people say they are something something first, and gay is just some secondary aspect which does not define them. Which might be all fine and well and true.
But to my eye/ears these statements are not just made because people are attempting to factually describe reality. They come from a place where being gay is like baggage. “I’m all these cool things, and I’m gay, but look at all these cool other things.” I also think it comes from a lack of identifying with whatever is perceived as gay/queer culture. Like people don’t want to be thought of as Milo Whatevehisnameis. So my response was that gay culture can literally mean anything you want it to if you have hang ups on current representation. But if you end up thinking that you’re not “gay” like others “gays”, then you probably care less about the collective rights of the “gays”. There are interesting thoughts on how to maybe change this lack of identification with perceived gay culture, but this thread should probably end sometime.
joeyty
@adamnfool: Okay, we can end this thread….I’m just saying (in the case of a battle or conflict) that gays (especially the types in those groups you list) will instinctually root for anyone exotic and foreign over another homosexual who is too “mainstream”, European-descended, Anglo, traditional-appearing, etc. I can back this up with lots of examples, both personal and general.