Screen shot 2013-05-08 at 7.06.15 PMNew York Times reporter Marcus Mabry sat down with RuPaul this week to chat about the success of RuPaul’s Drag Race, what makes a gay icon, and the future progress of LGBT rights.

Though Mabry claimed the gay rights movement is gaining momentum, Ru had a different take on the subject: That gay rights are like a swinging pendulum, and despite our progress, the pendulum will ultimately swing backward. Ru thinks the next step in the gay rights movement will be “gay people extracting the shame out of the experience.”

“There’s still so much shame attached to men and femininity, and being gay,” he continued. “Even within the gay community, there’s still so much of it.”

More surprisingly, Ru tells Mabry that he’s shared the last 19 years of his life with a special someone, and may be planning on tying the knot real soon! And with that, we offer our finest words of advice: Good luck, Mother Ru, and don’t fuck it up!

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