Elliot Page is gearing up for the release of his eagerly-anticipated memoir, Pageboy. The actor took some time out yesterday to post a shirtless selfie on Instagram and talk about gender-affirming care and “trans joy”.
“Dysphoria used to be especially rife in the summer. No layers, just a T-shirt – or layers and oh so sweaty – constantly looking down, readjusting my oversized T. It feels so f’ing good soaking in the sun now, I never thought I could experience this, the joy I feel in my body,” he said.
“I am so grateful for what gender-affirming care has allowed me and I look forward to sharing more of my journey soon. #transjoy”
Page revealed in December 2020 that he is trans and had changed his name to Elliot.
States mull bans on gender-affirming care
His latest comments come as several US states discuss introducing bans on gender-affirming care for minors.
Yesterday, Missouri lawmakers approved a bill that ban gender-affirming health care for minors (including puberty blockers). Similar bans have been passed in Alabama and Arkansas, although they were then blocked by federal judges.
Florida has advanced one of the most extreme anti-trans laws in the country. Senate Bill 254 not only bans gender-affirming care for those under 18, but it also punishes anyone providing such care and strips parental rights from the parents of trans kids.
Florida GOP lawmakers have also approved a bill that bans school employees from asking students for their preferred pronouns and restricts school staff from sharing their pronouns with students if they “do not correspond” with their sex.
The American Medical Association has criticized blanket bans on gender-affirming care for minors. It says it’s better to treat individuals on a case-by-case basis.
In a public statement issued a couple of years ago, it said, “We believe it is inappropriate and harmful for any state to legislatively dictate that certain transition-related services are never appropriate and limit the range of options physicians and families may consider when making decisions for pediatric patients.”
Its position remains the same today.
Elliot Page’s Pageboy goes on sale June 6. He will mark its publication with a Q&A event in New York, followed by a book tour that takes in Los Angeles, San Francisco, London and Berlin. Check the official Pageboy website for more details.
He also says anti-trans legislation is “going to be responsible for the death of children. It is that simple.”
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Is “trans joy” another name for mental ill health?
“Her latest comments come as several US states discuss introducing bans on gender-affirming care for minors.” – are you kiddies at queerty seriously suggesting this is a bad thing??? Considering the UK, Sweden, Finland, have all changed tack on the giving of toxic puberty blocking drugs to kids-
“In France, the National Academy of Medicine now states that, because of the possibility that a social contagion is driving up case counts, doctors should prescribe hormones with “the greatest reserve.” Minors should also be informed about the “IRREVERSIBLE nature” of treatment, and the possibility of “impact on growth, bone fragility, risk of sterility, emotional and intellectual consequences and, for girls, symptoms reminiscent of menopause.” from the Atlantic May 4th
How has the left in the usa lost its mind on this issue? The US left has gone batshlt crazy for trans woo-woo.
Cross-sex hormones (testosterone and estrogen) are steroids and known to reduce pain and elevate mood even to what many trans people describe as “bliss” or “euphoria.”
Steroids are as effective as opiates in the treatment of painful conditions like gout and shingles and are the standard treatment.
kids in the USA are also allowed to eat copious amounts of sugar and other harmful chemicals that have irreversible effects on the body. allowing harmful behavior is what we do here “mate”
Thank you for your post. Please continue to speak out because yes, “the US left has gone batshit crazy” on this issue, ignoring the glaring signs of a peer contagion among socially struggling adolescent girls.
And now I suggest you gird your loins for the inevitable onslaught of verbal abuse from the usual suspects.
dbmcvey, Yes historically there have been a number of “contagious” panics. Werewolves, vampires, witches, they have all been panics historically speaking. It’s called a consensus of bias. I am not saying Elliot Page is delusional, I’m going to assume he had therapy and was diagnosed with dysphoria, but too many kids are pushed into it.
there’s a great y o u tube video by Sabine Hossenfelder called “is being trans a social fad among teenagers”
her data-driven conclusions:
– there’s a sudden increase in teens identifying as trans
– the demographic group is shifting (biggest growth in numbers among people who are biologically female)
– evidence for the benefit of puberty blockers and hormone therapy is slim (more research needed)
– side effects can be substantial, and long term consequences are unknown (again, more research needed)
her biggest point: there are two major causes for the rise of trans-identifying young people
1) young people are more comfortable being openly trans
2) some young people erroneously believe they are trans because they have heard so much about it
BOTH 1 and 2 can be true — it doesn’t have to be an either-or thing.
@London_resistance you Brits have pioneered a particularly ugly form of anti-trans discourse, hardly surprising given all the other ugly things you’ve given the world, from food to architecture to teeth
It seems rather obvious that you have no ability to feel compassion . . . . . It must be nice that you’ve lived “the perfect Life” – totally content with ‘who you are; what your “Life Path” was meant to be . . . . . .
The funny thing is that YOU don’t get the ability to define the feelings of others!
The accomplishments of others have ZERO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! EFFECT ON HOW YOU FEEL ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
NOW, REACH DOWN THE FRONT OF WHATEVER YOU DEFINE AS YOUR “BEING” (EITHER YOUR CHEST OR YOUR CROTCH) AND GRAB HOLD OF YOURSELF! IT’S THE ONLLY “GOD THING” THAT YOU’RE GOING TO FEEL FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
Except she’s obviously mentally unwell and needs therapy not affirming breast removing surgery!!!
And more importantly she’s someone with a powerful media presence who will influence many unhappy young teenage girls into thinking their temporary teenage awkwardness can be solved by surgery and taking very toxic drugs
So, no it is NOT just her business. Your argument might have some merit had she just done all this gender woo-woo without the glare of publicity but she hasn’t, she’s gone out of her way to pursue the press and media.
Queerty has historically been a website for shirtless cis white gays. In the last few weeks or so, they amped up the trans coverage (finally). There’s a lack of engagement on this post. It’s almost as if the trans-supportive liberals realize this is a ruse. Like the evangelical Christians and their sky god, they want everyone to play along and just accept the ruse.
@decrans
If you’re suggesting gay men are supposed to be turned on by a shirtless transman with visible scars, this is the line where trans activism gets homophobic.
It’s the same line when we insist a penis is not a male sex organ, and lesbians who won’t fellate one are bigots. That, too, is homophobic.
Can you imagine what would happen if we started calling straight guys bigots for not fellating transwomen?
Gays and lesbians should not be criticized for whom they are or aren’t sexually attracted to – especially by members of their own supposed community.
Actually, unless we’re discussing minors, no one should.
I’m back. My roommate and her trans kid are doing a spirit quest in the living room right now. (She’s the Latina for Trump.) Anyhoo, back to the discussion. There’s a raucous trans activist segment on Twitter going into breakdown spirals about gay men not being attracted to that. For myself, I had to exit the transition routine. Too many contradictions I carried around with my wig. I eventually said to myself, “Screw it. I’ll just accept being a dude after 15 years of misery and idiotic therapists and doctors.” But yeah, I’m not agreeing with my premise. I’m bringing it up as evidence from a website that usually caters to horny white gay dudes.
When I first started reading Queerty, circa 2010 (olden days), there was a male bisexual activist here who kept telling everyone “You’re biphobic if you won’t date a bisexual guy!” That nonsense fizzled out, and I doubt the trans extremists will get very far by calling gay men transphobic if we won’t “date” (i.e. have sex with) a transman.
That’s what the majority of Americans accept. I agree. Here’s where the rubber meets the road. Puberty blockers and medicalization of children. Allowing trans people into female only spaces. Them’s the facts! I don’t disagree with any of those things. Your points are a diversion from the main topic of our current cultural debate. Convenient pivot on your part to leave those key facts off the table.
@Kangol
Yes. Nearly everyone supports trans rights for adults. But from the same Washington Post–KFF poll:
1 – More than 6 in 10 adults in the Post-KFF poll said trans girls and women should not be allowed to compete in girls’ and women’s sports, including professional, college, high school and youth levels.
2 – A majority of Americans support gender-affirming counseling for youth and teens, but oppose medication
3 – Most Americans say it is inappropriate for teachers to discuss trans identity in elementary schools
I’ll say this. I brought up the lack of sexualized comments. It’s like gay men KNOW. That’s another reason I stopped with my gender transition. The people in the G part of the LGBTQ community. Y’all know. This thread is also Exhibit A. Meghan McCain over and out.
@decrans
I am so sorry to hear from a detransitioner. You folks are the actual “most marginalized people,” and the way that the LGBTQIA+ community treats such suffering people and denying their reality is disgraceful.
This is why I wish we could dump this foolish ideology and go back to discussing LGBT issues rationally and compassionately.
Right? Would have saved me from 25 therapists and one therapist telling me to rub cocoa butter on my butt to unleash the woman inside. God, I fear for the children. I really do. They called me the trans Phyllis Schafly at the shelter. Phyllis lost her wig this season!
@decrans/Jared: What happened to that unleashed woman after you, um, expelled her from your butt? (Transconstipation?) Or are you saying she was Meghan McCain? This is a little confusing! Oh, and do you still like cocoa butter?
DeCrans, I hate to have to say this, but posting under different names is really pathetic.
We get it. You feel you were misled in your transition. You have detransitioned. Your party, the GQP, believes in “personal choice,” so they would essentially BLAME YOU for what you experienced. I won’t go that far but I do think that blaming “liberals” or others for what was clearly a very bad, traumatic experience, and then aligning yourself with people–right-wing conservatives–who essentially want trans people excluded from public life, approve barring parents and children from making choices about those children’s lives, etc. is even more problematic.
Again, you can post as Jared; no need to create new names/identities on here. When Cam used to point out how conservatives were doing this people would get very upset, but you just exemplified this sockpuppetry crap with your series of posts. It makes it very hard to take you seriously, whatever points you’re making.
@Kangol
Whomever this is, there are scores of detransitioners on Twitter, Facebook and Youtube. That we are not addressing the issue of transgenderism openly and honestly leads vulnerable people – most of whom are our gay brothers and sisters – astray. That people like you then abuse them is despicable. Imagine what we’ve encouraged them to do to themselves. This is why there should be psychological screening FIRST and treatment of other mental health issues FIRST before proceeding to body changing procedures.
You need to go to youtube and look up how Jazz Jennings suffered through three “bottom” surgeries. See how she reacted when she finally understood that she’d never have an orgasm. Meanwhile, her children’s book making transition look like a cruise to the Bahamas remains in schools and libraries.
I do it because my comments are too hot for moderators. I’m tired of the one sided propaganda on this site. I’m speaking my lived in experience until liberals wake up. Don’t like it? Oh well. And secondly, your problematic line. If liberals had resources for detrans people, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
If you attempt to edit you will end up in moderation. If you end up in moderation, copy your post and delete the original before the 5 minute countdown expires. Edit the copy, then paste the edited copy in a new comment/reply box.
That’s way too much information. He can’t even edit his own life or his various stage names properly. Although, he sure would benefit with some moderation. He sends us way too much bullshit about his personal life and shit, is it ever annoying.
Yes, I try to ignore the GOP trolls here (too many to count) but some of us like to stare at the train wrecks from time to time.
It’s a train wreck the liberal social services establishment allowed to happen. I think about the mentally ill patients in Canada who request euthanasia to circumnavigate lack of housing. With the trans issue in America, liberals permit people falling through the cracks. As long as there are colorful wigs to entertain you.
My roommate’s trans son is moving out of California. Why? Lack of mental health services. This person is literally writing numbers all over the apartment like it’s an episode of LOST. I’m not surprised I became conservative. Last I checked social media, my former roommate from the trans shelter is back homeless on the streets AGAIN. California really rocked my worldview.
@stillonthemark It was a therapist at the Family Services Center in Nashville. I mentioned Meghan McCain because she was instrumental in changing my worldview as well. After watching The View for years, I found myself agreeing with McCain over Joy, Whoopi and Sunny Hostin. Someone called me Meghan McCain. I take it as a compliment.
IMAGINE THIS!
The 100s of decran posts that never made it thru because they were TOO HOT! Please , what ever you do, don’t make it easier for him. This man is a raving lunatic. I think he needs a good fukk, but I can’t imagine he would know how to accomplish such an activity after all she’s been thru.
Abfab’s need to get screwed comment is rooted in misogynistic tropes. Interesting again that certain segments of cis gay white liberal men resort to misogyny when they lose arguments. Y’all should examine that.
Because so many of them are very unhappy and fearful and constantly threatened by phantasms. Many are the very fragile snowflakes they project onto others. They cannot acknowledge and accept the changes Elliott Page has made for himself, and so they have to freak out and try to tear him and other trans people down. It’s really pitiable but this is where we are. When the same people they ally themselves start to come after gay people, especially gay men, they’ll be the first ones screaming and upset (cf. Peter Thiel).
Most gay men actually can. We don’t like to admit to it, but many (if not most) of us were to some extent gender-nonconforming as kids. Sexual orientation is set long before we know what it is – age 3 or 4. During that time, gender confusion can set it. For a host of different psychological, environmental and cultural reasons, we sort this out or don’t after puberty sets in.
I do remember wishing I were a girl when I was a very young kid. Didn’t last long. And thank God it was the early 70’s, when parents weren’t deciding their kids have gender dysphoria at the drop of a hat.
I hate to see this site turning in to conservatives coming on being anti-trans and agreeing with each other. But, it might be that it’s just one conservative agreeing with himself.
I feel you are seeing something that isn’t really there. I’m not even convinced this is more than one person railing against trans care. Myself, I’m engrossed in this banter. I’ve pretty much stayed out of the trans “right or wrong” arguments due to lack of knowledge on the subject. Honestly, I’m currently questioning the validity of Decrans having gone thru detransitioning, BUT, reading their statements as truth, it really raises some interesting questions I have not considered nor heard brought up before. I guess my point of posting was to encourage you not to get too excited about your concerns of too many conservatives. We’re not all bad.
I believe that descans is lying. His sudden transitioning came up after several truly terrible and mean spirited posts meant to distract from issues. He posted post after post about the recent drag telethon before he pretty much showed he didn’t know what any of it was about.
Find some good conservatives who aren’t demonizing trans people and I’ll consider your statement that you’re not all bad.
Also, several of the other conservatives suddenly stopped posting as much when descan’s previous incarnation suddenly showed up. That’s suspicious right there.
You do realize that your conservative is another person’s liberal, right? I’m regularly labeled liberal in the comment section of my hometown newspaper’s website because I’m vocally gay. But on gay sites and sites that lean liberal, I’m most often trashed as conservative.
I’m not demonizing trans people. I’m merely pointing out potholes in progressive trans safe haven logic. Like Donald Trump, you want to pivot, fakenews, etc.
I’m not convinced this website, itself, knows what it’s geared to. I’m of the opinion it’s geared mostly towards clicks. It’s just the luck of the draw as to who is commenting and which direction they lean that makes it less gay men some days. As much as I enjoyed the older days, we must learn to let the other children have a turn with our toys sometimes.
It was always geared to the LGBT community. What’s changed here is a small group of conservatives who are anti-trans and want to blame them for the rise in conservatism. In fact, conservatives were gearing up against us for decades and marriage equality set them off.
Blaming them for the rise of conservatism while being conservative? That sentence is some garbled word salad. I’ll start calling dbmcvey Kamala. Or Sarah Palin. That’s some Caesar salad, my guy.
It started slowly.
Gays and lesbians were like the proverbial frog in the pot of cold water on the stove who doesn’t understand that flame beneath him until it’s too late.
Returning to this conversation, I think it’s important to mention (for dbmcvey and others) that contrary to your assumptions, I lean quite left of center liberal, have never voted republican, and have had transgender friends and acquaintances for over three decades. (This is where our resident flibbertigibbets Cam and abfab jump in to contradict . . . .)
I’m also a vocal supporter of all trans adults who have struggled with and addressed lifelong issues of gender dysphoria. But what many on the left fail to see or choose not to acknowledge is that there is a marked distinction between those who experienced gender dysphoria since early childhood and socially struggling adolescents (more often than not with learning differences and/or spectrum issues) with no prior gender dysphoria suddenly and with revised personal histories self-identifying as trans.
Although I suspect we have politically opposing views, I appreciate ShaverC explaining peer/social contagion to other commenters who should be better informed. He (I’m assuming) has more patience than I do.
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dbmcvey
Good for him! Live your best life!
mjv825
Kudos!
correctio
shoulda put an extra T in that name. Elliott > Elliot
London_resistance
What the budgerie billhooks is “trans joy” ???
Is “trans joy” another name for mental ill health?
“Her latest comments come as several US states discuss introducing bans on gender-affirming care for minors.” – are you kiddies at queerty seriously suggesting this is a bad thing??? Considering the UK, Sweden, Finland, have all changed tack on the giving of toxic puberty blocking drugs to kids-
“In France, the National Academy of Medicine now states that, because of the possibility that a social contagion is driving up case counts, doctors should prescribe hormones with “the greatest reserve.” Minors should also be informed about the “IRREVERSIBLE nature” of treatment, and the possibility of “impact on growth, bone fragility, risk of sterility, emotional and intellectual consequences and, for girls, symptoms reminiscent of menopause.” from the Atlantic May 4th
How has the left in the usa lost its mind on this issue? The US left has gone batshlt crazy for trans woo-woo.
inbama
Cross-sex hormones (testosterone and estrogen) are steroids and known to reduce pain and elevate mood even to what many trans people describe as “bliss” or “euphoria.”
Steroids are as effective as opiates in the treatment of painful conditions like gout and shingles and are the standard treatment.
dbmcvey
What a sad person you are London. Why are you upset by someone feeling joy?
correctio
kids in the USA are also allowed to eat copious amounts of sugar and other harmful chemicals that have irreversible effects on the body. allowing harmful behavior is what we do here “mate”
Observant
Thank you for your post. Please continue to speak out because yes, “the US left has gone batshit crazy” on this issue, ignoring the glaring signs of a peer contagion among socially struggling adolescent girls.
And now I suggest you gird your loins for the inevitable onslaught of verbal abuse from the usual suspects.
dbmcvey
@Observant
What? You think transgender is contagious?
ShaverC
dbmcvey, Yes historically there have been a number of “contagious” panics. Werewolves, vampires, witches, they have all been panics historically speaking. It’s called a consensus of bias. I am not saying Elliot Page is delusional, I’m going to assume he had therapy and was diagnosed with dysphoria, but too many kids are pushed into it.
correctio
there’s a great y o u tube video by Sabine Hossenfelder called “is being trans a social fad among teenagers”
her data-driven conclusions:
– there’s a sudden increase in teens identifying as trans
– the demographic group is shifting (biggest growth in numbers among people who are biologically female)
– evidence for the benefit of puberty blockers and hormone therapy is slim (more research needed)
– side effects can be substantial, and long term consequences are unknown (again, more research needed)
her biggest point: there are two major causes for the rise of trans-identifying young people
1) young people are more comfortable being openly trans
2) some young people erroneously believe they are trans because they have heard so much about it
BOTH 1 and 2 can be true — it doesn’t have to be an either-or thing.
@London_resistance you Brits have pioneered a particularly ugly form of anti-trans discourse, hardly surprising given all the other ugly things you’ve given the world, from food to architecture to teeth
mjv825
It seems rather obvious that you have no ability to feel compassion . . . . . It must be nice that you’ve lived “the perfect Life” – totally content with ‘who you are; what your “Life Path” was meant to be . . . . . .
The funny thing is that YOU don’t get the ability to define the feelings of others!
The accomplishments of others have ZERO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! EFFECT ON HOW YOU FEEL ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
NOW, REACH DOWN THE FRONT OF WHATEVER YOU DEFINE AS YOUR “BEING” (EITHER YOUR CHEST OR YOUR CROTCH) AND GRAB HOLD OF YOURSELF! IT’S THE ONLLY “GOD THING” THAT YOU’RE GOING TO FEEL FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !
SFMike
Do what you like but casting agents please don’t cast this person in a role that should go to a cis gendered man.
dbmcvey
Because cis actors never get cast as cis gendered men.
HankHarris
Good for him, living his life the way he wants. Nobody’s business but his.
London_resistance
Except she’s obviously mentally unwell and needs therapy not affirming breast removing surgery!!!
And more importantly she’s someone with a powerful media presence who will influence many unhappy young teenage girls into thinking their temporary teenage awkwardness can be solved by surgery and taking very toxic drugs
So, no it is NOT just her business. Your argument might have some merit had she just done all this gender woo-woo without the glare of publicity but she hasn’t, she’s gone out of her way to pursue the press and media.
dbmcvey
You don’t know him London. You are projecting.
correctio
genda woow woow — gtfo you stupid brit
judysdad
Yuck. And I used to like her when she was–and is–a woman.
dbmcvey
Judy hates you.
FreddieW
Unfortunate. I liked Ellen Page.
decrans
Queerty has historically been a website for shirtless cis white gays. In the last few weeks or so, they amped up the trans coverage (finally). There’s a lack of engagement on this post. It’s almost as if the trans-supportive liberals realize this is a ruse. Like the evangelical Christians and their sky god, they want everyone to play along and just accept the ruse.
correctio
20 comments is decent engagement for a queerty article
decrans
I’m talking about the usual sexualization in the comments. It’s missing.
inbama
@decrans
If you’re suggesting gay men are supposed to be turned on by a shirtless transman with visible scars, this is the line where trans activism gets homophobic.
It’s the same line when we insist a penis is not a male sex organ, and lesbians who won’t fellate one are bigots. That, too, is homophobic.
Can you imagine what would happen if we started calling straight guys bigots for not fellating transwomen?
Gays and lesbians should not be criticized for whom they are or aren’t sexually attracted to – especially by members of their own supposed community.
Actually, unless we’re discussing minors, no one should.
decrans
I’m back. My roommate and her trans kid are doing a spirit quest in the living room right now. (She’s the Latina for Trump.) Anyhoo, back to the discussion. There’s a raucous trans activist segment on Twitter going into breakdown spirals about gay men not being attracted to that. For myself, I had to exit the transition routine. Too many contradictions I carried around with my wig. I eventually said to myself, “Screw it. I’ll just accept being a dude after 15 years of misery and idiotic therapists and doctors.” But yeah, I’m not agreeing with my premise. I’m bringing it up as evidence from a website that usually caters to horny white gay dudes.
still_onthemark
When I first started reading Queerty, circa 2010 (olden days), there was a male bisexual activist here who kept telling everyone “You’re biphobic if you won’t date a bisexual guy!” That nonsense fizzled out, and I doubt the trans extremists will get very far by calling gay men transphobic if we won’t “date” (i.e. have sex with) a transman.
dbmcvey
@inbama
This person’s story seems to change by the day.
abfab
Why all the push-back. Come on people.
decrans
If that’s your best effort at getting the vast majority of Americans onboard with trans ideology, I’m sending you thoughts and prayers tonight.
decrans
At the same time, 60% say a person’s gender is determined by their sex assigned at birth, up from 56% in 2021 and 54% in 2017.
And girrls, after what I went through with my gender transition and de-transition, I’m in the sixty percent on that one.
Kangol2
Except, DeCrans, the vast majority of Americans do not have a problem with trans people!
That infamous recent Washington Post headline claiming the opposite led into an article that found the following:
71% of adults support laws banning discrimination against trans people by medical professionals.
72% of adults support laws banning discrimination against trans people from getting health insurance.
69% of adults support laws banning discrimination against transgender people in K-12 schools.
73% of adults support laws banning discrimination against transgender people at colleges and universities.
73% of adults support laws banning discrimination against transgender people at their jobs and workplaces.
74% of adults support laws banning discrimination against transgender people in housing.
65% of adults support laws banning discrimination against transgender people in the U.S. military.
Them’s the facts!
decrans
That’s what the majority of Americans accept. I agree. Here’s where the rubber meets the road. Puberty blockers and medicalization of children. Allowing trans people into female only spaces. Them’s the facts! I don’t disagree with any of those things. Your points are a diversion from the main topic of our current cultural debate. Convenient pivot on your part to leave those key facts off the table.
inbama
@Kangol
Yes. Nearly everyone supports trans rights for adults. But from the same Washington Post–KFF poll:
1 – More than 6 in 10 adults in the Post-KFF poll said trans girls and women should not be allowed to compete in girls’ and women’s sports, including professional, college, high school and youth levels.
2 – A majority of Americans support gender-affirming counseling for youth and teens, but oppose medication
3 – Most Americans say it is inappropriate for teachers to discuss trans identity in elementary schools
decrans
Bingo, bango went the banjo.
decrans
At the same time, 60% say a person’s gender is determined by their sex assigned at birth, up from 56% in 2021 and 54% in 2017.
And girrls, after what I went through with my gender transition and de-transition, I’m in the sixty percent on that one.
decrans
It’s y’all’s ‘look over there!” routine again. You liberals are like the Roadrunner cartoon. Signed, Jarrod
decrans
I agree with most of those points. You trying to prove water is wet next?
decrans
I’ll say this. I brought up the lack of sexualized comments. It’s like gay men KNOW. That’s another reason I stopped with my gender transition. The people in the G part of the LGBTQ community. Y’all know. This thread is also Exhibit A. Meghan McCain over and out.
inbama
@decrans
I am so sorry to hear from a detransitioner. You folks are the actual “most marginalized people,” and the way that the LGBTQIA+ community treats such suffering people and denying their reality is disgraceful.
This is why I wish we could dump this foolish ideology and go back to discussing LGBT issues rationally and compassionately.
decrans
Right? Would have saved me from 25 therapists and one therapist telling me to rub cocoa butter on my butt to unleash the woman inside. God, I fear for the children. I really do. They called me the trans Phyllis Schafly at the shelter. Phyllis lost her wig this season!
still_onthemark
@decrans/Jared: What happened to that unleashed woman after you, um, expelled her from your butt? (Transconstipation?) Or are you saying she was Meghan McCain? This is a little confusing! Oh, and do you still like cocoa butter?
Kangol2
DeCrans, I hate to have to say this, but posting under different names is really pathetic.
We get it. You feel you were misled in your transition. You have detransitioned. Your party, the GQP, believes in “personal choice,” so they would essentially BLAME YOU for what you experienced. I won’t go that far but I do think that blaming “liberals” or others for what was clearly a very bad, traumatic experience, and then aligning yourself with people–right-wing conservatives–who essentially want trans people excluded from public life, approve barring parents and children from making choices about those children’s lives, etc. is even more problematic.
Again, you can post as Jared; no need to create new names/identities on here. When Cam used to point out how conservatives were doing this people would get very upset, but you just exemplified this sockpuppetry crap with your series of posts. It makes it very hard to take you seriously, whatever points you’re making.
inbama
@Kangol
Whomever this is, there are scores of detransitioners on Twitter, Facebook and Youtube. That we are not addressing the issue of transgenderism openly and honestly leads vulnerable people – most of whom are our gay brothers and sisters – astray. That people like you then abuse them is despicable. Imagine what we’ve encouraged them to do to themselves. This is why there should be psychological screening FIRST and treatment of other mental health issues FIRST before proceeding to body changing procedures.
You need to go to youtube and look up how Jazz Jennings suffered through three “bottom” surgeries. See how she reacted when she finally understood that she’d never have an orgasm. Meanwhile, her children’s book making transition look like a cruise to the Bahamas remains in schools and libraries.
We’re marketing transition – and not honestly.
decrans
I do it because my comments are too hot for moderators. I’m tired of the one sided propaganda on this site. I’m speaking my lived in experience until liberals wake up. Don’t like it? Oh well. And secondly, your problematic line. If liberals had resources for detrans people, we wouldn’t be having this discussion.
LeBlevsez
decrans –
If you attempt to edit you will end up in moderation. If you end up in moderation, copy your post and delete the original before the 5 minute countdown expires. Edit the copy, then paste the edited copy in a new comment/reply box.
abfab
That’s way too much information. He can’t even edit his own life or his various stage names properly. Although, he sure would benefit with some moderation. He sends us way too much bullshit about his personal life and shit, is it ever annoying.
Yes, I try to ignore the GOP trolls here (too many to count) but some of us like to stare at the train wrecks from time to time.
decrans
It’s a train wreck the liberal social services establishment allowed to happen. I think about the mentally ill patients in Canada who request euthanasia to circumnavigate lack of housing. With the trans issue in America, liberals permit people falling through the cracks. As long as there are colorful wigs to entertain you.
decrans
My roommate’s trans son is moving out of California. Why? Lack of mental health services. This person is literally writing numbers all over the apartment like it’s an episode of LOST. I’m not surprised I became conservative. Last I checked social media, my former roommate from the trans shelter is back homeless on the streets AGAIN. California really rocked my worldview.
decrans
@stillonthemark It was a therapist at the Family Services Center in Nashville. I mentioned Meghan McCain because she was instrumental in changing my worldview as well. After watching The View for years, I found myself agreeing with McCain over Joy, Whoopi and Sunny Hostin. Someone called me Meghan McCain. I take it as a compliment.
abfab
IMAGINE THIS!
The 100s of decran posts that never made it thru because they were TOO HOT! Please , what ever you do, don’t make it easier for him. This man is a raving lunatic. I think he needs a good fukk, but I can’t imagine he would know how to accomplish such an activity after all she’s been thru.
Take a hint. GO AWAY.
JaredNorthcutt30
Abfab’s need to get screwed comment is rooted in misogynistic tropes. Interesting again that certain segments of cis gay white liberal men resort to misogyny when they lose arguments. Y’all should examine that.
dbmcvey
Interesting that the conservatives seem to be freaking out over current slang and jargon like “can’t even” and “trans joy.”
Kangol2
Because so many of them are very unhappy and fearful and constantly threatened by phantasms. Many are the very fragile snowflakes they project onto others. They cannot acknowledge and accept the changes Elliott Page has made for himself, and so they have to freak out and try to tear him and other trans people down. It’s really pitiable but this is where we are. When the same people they ally themselves start to come after gay people, especially gay men, they’ll be the first ones screaming and upset (cf. Peter Thiel).
frenchtiti
im gay i do not relate to her
dbmcvey
You don’t need to. Just leave him alone. And misgendering people is just an AH move.
inbama
@frenchiti
Most gay men actually can. We don’t like to admit to it, but many (if not most) of us were to some extent gender-nonconforming as kids. Sexual orientation is set long before we know what it is – age 3 or 4. During that time, gender confusion can set it. For a host of different psychological, environmental and cultural reasons, we sort this out or don’t after puberty sets in.
dbmcvey
@inbama
I’m impressed. I’m glad you can get beyond your antipathy towards trans people and find community here.
FreddieW
I do remember wishing I were a girl when I was a very young kid. Didn’t last long. And thank God it was the early 70’s, when parents weren’t deciding their kids have gender dysphoria at the drop of a hat.
dbmcvey
I hate to see this site turning in to conservatives coming on being anti-trans and agreeing with each other. But, it might be that it’s just one conservative agreeing with himself.
Openminded
I feel you are seeing something that isn’t really there. I’m not even convinced this is more than one person railing against trans care. Myself, I’m engrossed in this banter. I’ve pretty much stayed out of the trans “right or wrong” arguments due to lack of knowledge on the subject. Honestly, I’m currently questioning the validity of Decrans having gone thru detransitioning, BUT, reading their statements as truth, it really raises some interesting questions I have not considered nor heard brought up before. I guess my point of posting was to encourage you not to get too excited about your concerns of too many conservatives. We’re not all bad.
dbmcvey
It’s there.
I believe that descans is lying. His sudden transitioning came up after several truly terrible and mean spirited posts meant to distract from issues. He posted post after post about the recent drag telethon before he pretty much showed he didn’t know what any of it was about.
Find some good conservatives who aren’t demonizing trans people and I’ll consider your statement that you’re not all bad.
dbmcvey
Also, several of the other conservatives suddenly stopped posting as much when descan’s previous incarnation suddenly showed up. That’s suspicious right there.
FreddieW
You do realize that your conservative is another person’s liberal, right? I’m regularly labeled liberal in the comment section of my hometown newspaper’s website because I’m vocally gay. But on gay sites and sites that lean liberal, I’m most often trashed as conservative.
decrans
Did you ever post the overhead breakdown from the ACLU? You didn’t? Take several seats.
decrans
I’m not demonizing trans people. I’m merely pointing out potholes in progressive trans safe haven logic. Like Donald Trump, you want to pivot, fakenews, etc.
abfab
Yes…this ”person” has consolidated all the GOP TROLLS into one new and improved name! decrans……………it sounds like a new sort of organism.
Note to oliver north cut, decrans, shaveyboy, correctio, inbama, MARIO blah blah blah…….
PLANTING ONE OR TWO FALSE FLAGS might work………………. but enough already. Find a new hobby.
abfab
@ Fred
Whining about that won’t make it better for you. Your home town newspaper? The Penny Saver?
FreddieW
abfab, I actually laughed at your comment. Progress.
Gabby
I miss the days when this website was geared for gay men. Sigh.
Openminded
I’m not convinced this website, itself, knows what it’s geared to. I’m of the opinion it’s geared mostly towards clicks. It’s just the luck of the draw as to who is commenting and which direction they lean that makes it less gay men some days. As much as I enjoyed the older days, we must learn to let the other children have a turn with our toys sometimes.
dbmcvey
It was always geared to the LGBT community. What’s changed here is a small group of conservatives who are anti-trans and want to blame them for the rise in conservatism. In fact, conservatives were gearing up against us for decades and marriage equality set them off.
decrans
Blaming them for the rise of conservatism while being conservative? That sentence is some garbled word salad. I’ll start calling dbmcvey Kamala. Or Sarah Palin. That’s some Caesar salad, my guy.
inbama
It started slowly.
Gays and lesbians were like the proverbial frog in the pot of cold water on the stove who doesn’t understand that flame beneath him until it’s too late.
Observant
Returning to this conversation, I think it’s important to mention (for dbmcvey and others) that contrary to your assumptions, I lean quite left of center liberal, have never voted republican, and have had transgender friends and acquaintances for over three decades. (This is where our resident flibbertigibbets Cam and abfab jump in to contradict . . . .)
I’m also a vocal supporter of all trans adults who have struggled with and addressed lifelong issues of gender dysphoria. But what many on the left fail to see or choose not to acknowledge is that there is a marked distinction between those who experienced gender dysphoria since early childhood and socially struggling adolescents (more often than not with learning differences and/or spectrum issues) with no prior gender dysphoria suddenly and with revised personal histories self-identifying as trans.
Although I suspect we have politically opposing views, I appreciate ShaverC explaining peer/social contagion to other commenters who should be better informed. He (I’m assuming) has more patience than I do.
abfab
It’s all you really need to say…you appreiciate C explaining things to you. Done.