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“It’s not neat and clean and tidy,” Mennonite pastor Pieter Niemeyer says of his decision to come out after 20 years of lying to his wife, and a lifetime of lying to himself.

That’s putting it lightly.

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Mennonites are mostly old-fashioned, which is a nice way of saying bigoted and intolerant.

But that seems to be changing. One renegade Mennonite church in Canada even married a gay couple in 2015.

As for Pieter and his wife Susie, the two plan to stay married despite the revelation.

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“It is what it is,” he continues, as oddly ominous music plays in the background, adding “everyone navigates their sexual attraction.”

Pieter says he advocates for full inclusion of LGBTQ people within his church, including marriage.

Watch more below, in a segment bizarrely titled “Heaven or Hell”:

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