It wasn’t a case of if but when: A fundamentalist minister has gone on the record blam
ing Hurricane Sandy on President Obama and the LGBT community.
On his blog, pastor John McTernan described Sandy, currently bearing down on the East Coast, as “the most powerful hurricane on record.” But instead of explaining recent weather patterns, he points a finger at Obama for being pro-gay and “100 percent behind the Muslim Brotherhood, which has vowed to destroy Israel and take Jerusalem.”
By promoting homosexuality, America has become like the ancient pagan Amorites and has now come under the judgment of God.
America promotes homosexuality by custom with events such as Gay Pride Day, Gay Awareness Month (June), Gay day at Disney land, Gay Day at sporting events and events like Southern Decadence in New Orleans . There are gay clubs in high school and colleges. The political parties are pandering to the homosexuals for their votes. By custom, homosexuality has woven into the fabric of America…
The Bible warns of God judging a nation that walks in these ordinances. When the corporate attitude of a nation is friendly toward homosexuality then at this point the iniquity is full.
In a follow-up post, McTernan tars Mitt Romney, who he claims is “pro-homosexual” (Now that’s news to us!):
[Mitt Romney] is a big time pro-homosexual supporter to the point he will keep open homosexuality in the military; he wants homosexuals in the Boy Scouts; and he wants more open homosexuals in the Republican Party.”
McTernan previously blamed the gays for Hurricane Isaac, linking its arrival to the annual Southern Decadence celebration in New Orleans.
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avesraggiana
Yawn…another religious, fundie whack-job. Maybe one of us homos should give him a blow job and maybe he might get over himself. Not that I’m volunteering or anything.
jerry_pritikin
Hey Rev. John… Do you know what Hurricane Sandy said to the palm trees?
HOLD ON TO YOUR NUTS, THIS AIN’T NO ORDINARY BLOW JOB!
And by the way Rev. John, Your nuts are in your head!
GreenmanTN
If someone shot this prick in the face I’d clap.
mcflyer54
Surprise, surprise, surprise … NOT! Actually Rev. Wackjob would be wise to wait until the storm has passed before deteriming the blame. What the good Rev. has failed to realize is that with proper handling of disaster relief President Obama wiill come across as … PRESIDENTIAL which could serve as the impetus some wavering or undecided voters need to vote to reelect the President. Believe Rev. McTeran has no direct hot line to God and is only speaking for his own hate filled bigotted self.
iBLOW
If someone were to fuck his fatass good once I bet he would “see the light”
John
Oh my, and it’s all proven using math. Wow, I’m impressed.
avesraggiana
@iBLOW:
I’m still not volunteering. Ughhhh…..*shuddering at the thought*
dregstudios
Obama is the first President brave enough to support the GLBT community’s access to basic civil rights. The church and conservative hands paint a Blackface on him for defending this human-rights issue. Religious doctrine and the bigotry which goes along with it have NO place in politics. Read about how Obama and simple logic are being bamboozled at http://dregstudiosart.blogspot.com/2012/10/bamboozling-obama.html
MACDONALDBANK
Religious Republican zombies are coming out of the woodwork — descending on America! Scary or what?
Romney; would be the equivalent to Hitler and the Nazis or the Taliban — in his treatment to women and the gay community — with his extreme cultist attitude … if ever elected!
Religion; is the biggest bully on the block!
IRS codes prohibit churches from endorsing or opposing political candidates!
The IRS … should immediately tax churches — that break that rule!
Churches — are opposing gay rights — based on a cult! Tax them or shut them down!
Roman Catholic; Baptist & Mormon churches who were involved in Proposition 8; against the gay community – should be shut down immediately and/or have their tax exemption status revoked!
Church manses; mansions; corporate jets and Christian college campuses … should face taxes or be shut down — based on corruption and/or being involved in cultism!
Mormons are nothing more than homophobic bigots and lustful religious lunatics; who harvested women … attempting to scrutinize themselves; into eternity – without success!
Romney as President; would mean the darkest & meanest period in the United States of America’s history. Homophobic — witchcraft would rule the government from Rome & Salt Lake City …!
MACDONALDBANK
http://www.HolyFaux.com
Aidan8
Well…. Sandy is literally headed right for me… so I guess God is mad at me…. uggh.
D P
@avesraggiana: Ugh! What a repugnant thought! Wash your mind out, and masturbate to images of Ryan Reynolds naked, or some other hottie. Or, get it live. I hear it’s a cure-all.
MACDONALDBANK
Religion and the churches should now be exposed as a bigoted structure that gets away with hate mongering. It is a criminal offence to cause harm onto others physically or with written items; bibles have been getting away with this for ages. How would you like it … if hate speech was directed to your brother or sister as you sat in the pew; spewed by some better than thou religious lunatic with a hateful black book about Leviticus — under his arm? Tony Perkins and his The Family Research Council’s opposition to gay rights have landed the outfit onto a list of “hate groups,” like the KKK. Christian colleges should be classified as hate groups and shut down.
Hillers
Yup, it’s all The Gays’ fault, and their enablers. Has nothing to do with weather patterns and global warming. Rev. McDipshit’s got it right on the nose.
ptcruiser13
Blown Away… By the ridiculous beliefs and banters of the religious right. If Jesus walked this earth today, would He treat anyone in this manner? I truly cannot wait until the day of reckoning, when bigots like Pastor MacTermon are cast aside in favor of a gentle queer. On December 12th, 2012 the Mayan calendar ends – with it. so does the world as we know it. The paradigm shift will be in “our” favor… religious fundamentalist hate will cease, and we all shall live in peace and equality.
D P
@iBLOW: – how do you know he hasn’t done it already? Or, that he’s still doing it a-la Ted Haggard? maybe he’s trying to save the gays by using meth and getting it in the bum, and telling his children how much he LOVES them…?
BrokebackBob
As I have said before:
Don’t spend one keystroke or breath giving this fascist neo-con neo-nazi the time of
day about his comments. Urge everyone to take a deep breath and just ignore him and
move forward with other more productive activity related to equal right etc for LGBT
folks here in the U.S. and around the world. By wasting effort constantly responding
to wackjobs that more reasonable straight folks would also think are nuts, we drain
our energy and slow momentum towards a better world.
D P
I would like to thank God for the skeptic atheism for which I am now partaking. By ‘God’ I mean the penis. THAT’s what I get down on my knees to worship.
Atomicrob
The American Taliban rears its ugly head, yet again! We really need to identify a national spokesman for our cause that responds to these outrageous remarks in a timely and effective way.
Banking On Heaven . Com
Some religious nutcase always crawls out of woodwork whenever Mother Nature growls. Bronze-age patriarchs used to react the same way, but it’s sad to see that people still follow priest-craft in the 21st century. Obama’s right, we gotta educate these fools.
Orly Garcia
Where is the intellingence of this Man? And he’s a Rev? He need to educate himself.
Eddy
McTernan is mentally ill. Every time you re-publish his rubbish it adds more money to his coffers.
If God is dis-appointed with anyone its McTernan
The mind boggling greed of Wall Street is ok with Mcternan.
People today cheat their neighbors, don’t hear the cries of the poor and flat out slander and lie, like Mcternan
Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?” “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s keeper?” Genesis 4:9
It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” Mark 10:25
In stead of cursing this country, Mcternan should ask God to Bless America but the devils in Hell he lacks the power to do so
JOHN 1957
Wow! We did that!? WE ROCK! If we did that then the whole gay community should get together and make all these pious religious fruitcakes from all over the planet, blow away with the wind never to be seen or heard from again. If we did do it she’d be called Casandra (sophisticated) not sandy (cookies and milk).
This guy is right up there with Jerry Falwell that said; “He is purple — the gay-pride color, and his antenna is shaped like a triangle — the gay pride symbol.” –from a “Parents Alert” issued in Jerry Falwell’s National Liberty Journal, warning that “Tinky Winky,” a character on the popular PBS children’s show, “Teletubbies,” may be gay.
Need I say more?
Moishgil
Bishop Gene Robinson: “This is God’s Dream Coming True Before Your Eyes” (VIDEO) http://wp.me/p1Jt6N-Qu
Grayson
and probably sucks dick from here to the pharmacy, the big closet queen.
sfbeast
@avesraggiana: why would you even suggest that???? besides, i’m sure he’s getting everything he wants from any young girls and boys in his family and congregation
Little-Kiwi
http://youtu.be/Y7tpQICIQpU
toren123
I am a Lutheran pastor in Canada, a member of the more “liberal” branch (liberal in Canada means “free thinking”, not the pejorative that word has become in the USA). For years now I have refused to accept being called “Reverend”, because I am no more or less deserving of being revered than anyone else. Now I am beginning to dislike the honorific “pastor” because of jerks like the Reverend (sic) John McTernan whose intelligence is considerably lower than his shoe size! Such so called “reverends” are grossly ignorant, and by that I mean they have never had an objective thought in their lives. Further, I have always known it unwise to give give any credence to anyone who reads only one book. How they can be pastors (the word “pastor” means “shepherd”) is beyond my understanding!
erich40
BrokebackBob’s comment says it all. This so called “Pastor” is clearly a wackjob and not worth the time of day. However, I am rather impressed to think that he believes that the President and the LGBT community has so much power over the weather. If this is the case, we should tell this nutcase if we are not allowed equal rights and allowed to marry the person we love, we are going to distroy the earth with our incredable “GAY” powers.
BrokebackBob
Thank you Erich40! I try! 🙂
Dumdum
Would that we could create such storms. They should be thanking their fictitious almighty god that we cannot. LOL.
jmmartin
Has this fool ever heard of post hoc reasoning?
hf2hvit
Nothing to see here , folks…just another member of LARRY CRAIG’S MEN’S ROOM TOE-TAPPIN’ BOOGIE DANCE TROUPE
hf2hvit
And what does he have to say about all the Republican Adulterers?: GINGRICH, LIMBAUGH, VITTER, MC CAIN, CRAIG, PALLADINO, GIULIANI, BARR, ENSIGN, TRUMP, LEE, SCHWARZENEGGER
And all while espousing FAMILY VALUES and attempting to legislate the morals of others!!!
JossyAdamLambert
Ok the poor Rev.John Mckternen have a big big problem with that to accusing President Obama et the LGBT for all things natural about Hurrican and all problem we have on this world. Come on who are you Rev.? Do you think you are God? Since when God are not pardon, a peace God are not a hater but a real good? You need to know’s to what you talking about Rev.
First with if you are a real great Reverend you need to know’s the pardon, the love, not hate another persons, not be a accusater you juge anybody else for why we have hurrican. ONe chance now the Rev of any church are in the gouvernement what a great chance to not have the person who want just close there eyes and never understand that to be gay is not a choice but a feeling…do you understand that Mr.Rev Mckternen. You are here to love and talk about God and not about hater and many accusation. You are just a ignorant man thats it. Im a mother of a gay son and he make anything to kill somebody or more to be a pedophil etc etc..so please dont talk if you dont know to what about to be gay person.
Jerry12
Is it not marvelous that we Gays are so important that GOD would whip up such a large storm and do so much damage because of us GAYS? However, I have difficulty trying to understand GOD’s thinking. Why is HE(or SHE or IT) hurting so many NON Gays in the process? After all, plain statistics would show that over 90 percent of the property damage is being done to non Gays. What a strange God you believers have.
Bomo Queebo
just a great big wide open dirty stinking gaping dripping asshole…
zapple68
Just checked out this bigots blog out of curiosity. I never pay attention to these freaks. Its too pathetic to revisited. They hate blacks, Obama, gays. What a horrible country we live in.
Daniel-Reader
You don’t engage religious leaders who violate human rights. You engage their congregations and remind those congregants that corrupt sanctimonious hypocritical religious leaders killed Jesus for being a progressive religious voice of love and acceptance; then engage the congregation on why they should abandon the corrupt religious leader.
the other Greg
Yes, I arranged Hurricane Sandy so I could get a day off from work. That’s all it was. I don’t usually use my magical gay powers in that way. But I should say, you people out there in California are really starting to piss me off and I have an earthquake ready to go!
D9W
Let see here… according to this guys religion John 3:16 says:”For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.”
Sorry Rev, but I don’t see only Heterosexuals go to haven. I see the part about “WHOEVER BELIEVES”. And from where I am standing that means everybody!
A matter of fact, I believe your Christ went after people like you for keeping the poor in spirit away from your God. A matter of Fact your Christ said he would throw your type in to hell, AKA everlasting fire, because you refused to feed those who were hungry, you refused to cloth those who were naked and you refuse to visit those who found themselves in prisons, no matter what prison they found themselves in. You don’t get a choice in who is your neighbor, sir. Gay or Straight.
Yeah, you will protest about get kicked to the curb because you will brag about the miracles you did, in Christ name. You will protest because you will brag about how you told people that they were wrong and going to hell for their sins. But again you did nothing to feed, cloth, and visit those who you felt beneath you (Matthew 25:31-46).
You will even brag about how you earned your fire insurance, and the fact you refused to pass the Grace of Christ onto others who were not religiously white like you. A matter of fact, you will brag about how you knew better then to love your neighbor as Christ had love you (John 13:34). You know that pesky little Second Commandment that even the Pharisee knew about. Sir you are the one Christ talks about in Matthew 23:15: “Woe to, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.”
For those who don’t buy into this religion, I am not talking to you
dutchman67
Why is it always a demented, dull looking, obese white guy with three chins?
dutchman67
This fat white dude knows a hell of a lot about gay men, their sexual practices, and their fun events. Hell, he has probably gone to every S.F. Gay Pride Parade to
take notice of all the sin, degradation, and all those swinging dicks. Imagine how happy he will be to find out that there are Chubby Chasers around. He now has a chance to get laid.
Billysees
@D9W: Re 40, “Let see here…
You could also have mentioned —
1. Paul wrote, “Follow after the things which make for peace”.
2. And “Don’t provoke one another”.
These verses are either paraphrases or translations, 3 are from Paul and one from Peter —
3. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother’s way.
4. Accept one another, then, just as Christ accepted you, in order to bring praise to God.
4. Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love.
5. Finally, all of you, live in harmony with one another; be sympathetic, love as brothers, be compassionate and humble.
Why is it so hard for these fundamentalists to recognize the value of these important points?
D9W
Hey Billysees,
#2 is proverbs 20:3 LOL. Avoiding a fight is a mark of honor; only fools insist on quarreling. #4b sounds like Ephesians?
Bill the real question: If they profess to believe then why do spit in the face of Christ and his own teachings? Why are they so willing to lie and say it’s ‘God’s’ Truth? The pillar, and two simple commandments, of Christ teaching has always been: Love God above everything else and Love your neighbor as you love yourself. That second one I have problems with because people including these fundies have a problem with loving themselves. Hence why you see so many people use drugs, sex, money to numb their pain and hurt. So I go with ST John’s version: Love your neighbor as Christ has loved you. It’s a lot harder to get out of that one and you can’t justify killing any one under that one. What most of these fundies refuse to understand that Christ was a party animal; he hanged out with the street people of his time (prostitutes and tax collectors…). He understood their pain and hurt, and understood what it meant to be rejected by the perfect people of the temple (or now days, better known as fundies). Christ passed on the good news, no matter who was listening (gay or straight, religious white, or street people). Most of the Fundies I know don’t have a clue what the word GRACE means. The only thing they come up with is earning their fire insurance, and that’s all they have. Plus, most of them only have a second grade understanding of the Bible. That’s great for second graders, not teachers in the Church (I bet they couldn’t tell you how many stories of creations there are. I Give you a hint: 2 ½ -go see for yourself). They are still dead inside and could not pass on the fire of GRACE if their life depended on it. Oh they can burp up some predigested thing they learn in preschool, but actually explain and demonstrate Grace, which requires you to examine your own life and a ton of honesty, Don’t hold your breath on the last one. The Tax collectors of Christ time have more of a clue as to what the Sermon on the Mount was about then any of the current followers of the 700 cub or this fundie preacher.
Klr0609
This guy knows more stuff about gay culture than I do! He’s making me feel like an old fart gay guy!
Klr0609
@mcflyer54: it gets so old, doesn’t it… I pray every day and read the Bible often. All I’ve learned from these practices is how much God loves me– just as he created me– a gay man!
mcflyer54
@Klr0609: Actually he’s making himself look like an old hate filled bigotted fool.
lego606
Even more disgusting: Disneyland is not two words >:(
seggerman
I mean no disrespect to the unfortunate families who lost all their possessions, along with their homes but… the neighborhood that burned down in Queens (NYC), Breezy Point, was the only neighborhood in the 1990 census not to report a single gay (or lesbian) couple.
Billysees
@D9W: Re 44, “# 2 is proverbs…
Yes, # 2 should be Prov 20:3. It’s better and more fitting.
My numbering is faulty and I did know what those verses were but forgot.
Fundies do seem to have a problem with the words of Christ. The other writings are more alluring I guess. They “over” judge and condemn but I can’t see how that error can be made considering the words about judging and being judged. I wonder whether there are some childhood growing-up issues that present themselves with these people and so they can’t deal with matters they’re not familiar with, so they choose the condemnation and judgmental verses to quote frequently.
As far as Jesus being a party animal, I could see that also considering his “social nature”. One of my favorite books is “The Man Nobody Knows” by Bruce Barton. Mr. Barton does a swell job of revealing this human and friendly nature of Jesus and how it affected his ministry. I’ve said before that if Jesus were invited to a party and the pipe was being passed around, he wouldn’t hesitate to pass it along though he might not take a hit from it…..lol.
As far as the tax collectors of Christ’s time, I’m reminded of this parable —
The Pharisee (a hypocritically self-righteous person) stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank you, that I am not as other men are, extortionists, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican (a disliked tax collector). I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican (tax collector), standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes to heaven, but smote on his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalts himself shall be abased; and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.
Luke 18:11-14
D9W
@Billysees – What most people don’t know is the Good Samaritan story was a spit in all Pharisees faces. The good guy in the story might as well have been effeminate gay man. Meaning the Samaritans were look at like how these fundaments look at gay people today. Think about that for a second. Samaritans were ranked up there with child molesters, prostitutes, people with leprosy, and tax collectors, simply because of where they choose to pray. They prayed to the same ‘God’ as the Jews, just they were looked beneath the foot of the Jewish religious leaders with more than just contempt. The Jewish people would walk hundreds of miles just to avoid these people.
Why am talking about this? Well the current Pharisees (fundies) are doing the same thing as the Pharisees did back in Christ time.
If Christ was here today he would be hanging out on skid road, not with the high and all mighty churches. He would be passing out the good news to the people who need to hear it. He would be giving a glass of water to those who thirst, not this crap from this self important holy hypocrite. If you’re going to live by the laws then your die by those same laws. Part of the Good News was you were no longer tied to those laws but through grace you could have eternal life; simply by believing in him. No exclusions. No fine print. Doesn’t matter what your sexuality is or the color of your skin (sorry Mitt, KKK, AFA, Pat Robertson). What these current type of hypocrites have done is to turn everything Christ said on it’s head. What the religious leaders of Christ time had done was to exploit the have nots (just like they are doing today): Making it so impossible that no one felt they could come to Abba Parent (God), the Great I AM, or whatever you want to call ‘God’. What Christ was trying to teach is God wanted a relationship with his/her creation. (as to Him/Her – I have never seen under ‘God’ skirt so I am not sure which one ‘God’ is and I don’t trust a bunch of bias men to correctly report on the subject- meaning the Bible.) Back to what I was saying…These modern screw-ups, I guess never learned that. You can’t put Grace in a box; it’s free to anyone who believes.
Again, if you don’t believe in this stuff- I was not talking to you. But I hope you listen so you could counter the BS you hear from people like this guy. When they say you hate ‘god’, ask them why they hate ‘God’ because anyone acting like them cant love ‘God’ because if they think they’re an example of their ‘God’s love they are sorely mistaken or really mentally ill.
Dumdum
@D9W: Your comment is erroneous.The parable of the Good Samaritan is a parable told by Jesus and is mentioned in only one of the Canonical gospels of the New Testament. According to the Gospel of Luke (10:29-37) a traveler (who may or may not be Jewish) is beaten, robbed, and left half dead along the road. First a priest and then a Levite come by, but both avoid the man. Finally, a Samaritan comes by. Samaritans and Jews generally despised each other, but the Samaritan helps the injured man. Jesus is described as telling the parable in response to a question regarding the identity of the “neighbor” which Leviticus 19:18 says should be loved. Some Christians, such as Augustine, have interpreted the parable allegorically, with the Samaritan representing Jesus Christ, who saves the sinful soul. Others, however, discount this allegory as unrelated to the parable’s original meaning, and see the parable as exemplifying the ethics of Jesus, which have won nearly universal praise, even from those outside the Church.
The Samaritans are an ethnoreligious group of the eastern Mediterranean region, originating from connection with ancient Samaria. Your grammar and syntax is atrocious. I am constantly amazed by how unintelligent people seem by their comments here. Skid road? Commonly referred to as skid row. I believe that if Jesus were here today he would tell you to go back to school. If Jesus were here today he would also tell you that the majority of people that lived during that time could not read or write. In ancient times, literacy in its restricted sense was always confined to a small elite. Although some ruling elite were illiterate, literacy was an important distinguishing mark of the elite, and communications skills were politically important. Maybe this is something that you would understand. They shall give him twenty Psalms or two of the Apostles’ epistles or some other part of Scripture. And if he is illiterate he shall go at the first, third and sixth hours to someone who can teach and has been appointed for him. He shall stand before him and learn very studiously and with all gratitude. The fundamentals of a syllable, the verbs and nouns shall all be written for him and even if he does not want to he shall be compelled to read. You may think me a snob or that I am criticizing your faith. Perhaps I am on some level, but what most of you Christians fail to realize is that in the context of a modern age, different rules apply. What was relevant 2000 years ago cannot possibly be relevant today. Basing ones life on an archaic religion and making literal statements on something that is clearly symbolic is rather (forgive me) stupid. If Jesus were alive today he would probably be working at a homeless shelter. Or given his level of education through comparative analysis, be a lawyer working pro bono publico. Education through religion was the only game in town. So of course an educated intelligent compassionate human being would see the division between the ruling class, the priests and the common people as an intolerable situation. Jesus was considered a radical and a heretic. But he was only one of hundreds of thousands of people killed for those very traits which we so admire. I really think you guys need to do your homework. The bible is not the ONLY history book. And it is not a completely accurate annal of human history.
Dumdum
@D9W: Samaritans were ranked up there with child molesters, prostitutes, people with leprosy, and tax collectors, simply because of where they choose to pray. They prayed to the same ‘God’ as the Jews, just they were looked beneath the foot of the Jewish religious leaders with more than just contempt. The Jewish people would walk hundreds of miles just to avoid these people.
This is just not true. The Samaritans (Hebrew: ????????? Shomronim, Arabic: ?????????? as-S?mariyy?n) are an ethnoreligious group of the Levant. Religiously the Samaritans are adherents of Samaritanism, an Abrahamic religion closely related to Judaism. Based on the Samaritan Torah, Samaritans claim their worship is the true religion of the ancient Israelites prior to the Babylonian Exile, preserved by those who remained in the Land of Israel, as opposed to Judaism, which they assert is a related but altered and amended religion, brought back by those returning from exile.
Ancestrally, Samaritans claim descent from a group of Israelite inhabitants from the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh (the two sons of Joseph) as well as some descendance from the priestly tribe of Levi, who have connections to ancient Samaria from the period of their entry into the land of Canaan, while some suggest that it was from the beginning of the Babylonian Exile up to the Samaritan Kingdom of Baba Rabba. The Samaritans, however, derive their name not from this geographical designation, but rather from the Hebrew term Shamerim ????????, “Keepers [of the Law] The division was primarily regional. North vs South not unlike the Americas during the 1800s.
Dumdum
I attempted to include the Hebrew and Arabic text but Queerty lacks the sophistication to print it. I understand your attempt to illustrate the exclusion and vilifying of Gays; However to do so by maligning another culture makes you no better than those whom you are criticizing.
Dumdum
There was fighting as both sides adhered to the belief as most religions do today, that THEIR god and THEIR faith is the ONE TRUE FAITH. I suppose that if extraterrestrials (which I also do not believe in) arrived tomorrow and told you that it was all a big cosmic joke and that you little monkeys were the laughing stock of the entire universe. You STILL wouldn’t believe it. Oh well. Se la vie.
Billysees
@D9W: Re 51, “What most people…
D9W@Dumdum: Re 52, 53, 54 and 55
Hey D9W,
I like what you’ve said here. You made sense with your illustrations.
Your a good spiritual and biblical thinker and talker, If I can say so.
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Hey Dumdum,
Forgive my directness, but why strain-at-the-gnat of D9W’s imperfections of grammar and spelling. Those things are not important.
Your intelligent discourse is commendable also.
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Here’s what I would add to this conversation, but without the long windedness —
It seems to me that religion, and especially Christianity, is not yet fully developed, if that’s the proper way to say it.
There are so many inconsistencies and irregularities.
That’s why there is so much unbalance of knowledge and unnecessary attacks against LGBT folk.
That’s why I choose to use cheerful, uplifting, and universally applied ideas or verses from the Bible.
That’s the little bit I can do to promote Christianity’s “best values”.
There is so much junk being expressed nowadays in the name of religion and from the so-called holy texts that drive them.
But as time goes on, things appear to get better and thank God for that.
After all, we’re not burning people at the stake any more for ridiculous reasons.
ptcruiser13
Christianity, In Fact America at large, is overwrought by a culture of fear: Fear someone’s going to take something from you so you carry guns, fear someone has more than you, so they’re jealous; fear you don’t have as much as your neighbor, so find ways to get it – even at the perils of stealing; fear your God won’t let you into heaven, so you must submit to His tortures; fear someone with a different perspective might be happier than you, so you must tear them down; and fear not buy into the bigotry based “melting pot” concept, equates to celebrating our differences, and Lord knows, we cannot have that.
By promoting hatred and intolerance of others, religious zealots miss the whole point: Christianity should be about love, compassion and understanding of others… helping our fellow man succeed, not wallow in quilt, take their own lives, rather than face the ridicule and exclusion of their brethren.
On December 21, 2012 the Mayan Calendar ends. Rarely in this history of this earth, have we seen such a culture of mathematical and scientific genius. The belief is that the world will end as we know it… not end entirely akin to the myth of Armegeddeb. There will be a dramatic paradigm shift, where mankind will be enlightened to the imperfections of the Christian movement. A second coming perhaps? Even diehard religious bigots must ask, “If He walked the earth today, would he persecute and harm anyone – let alone the downtrodden or misunderstood?” or would He embrace all mankind and warn: Love thy fellow man as you would thine own self? Live a life free from hate, therefore free to love – everyone.
Billysees
@ptcruiser13: Re 58, “Christianity, In Fact…
You’ve said well here, especially the middle paragraph.
Religious fundamentalism too often misses the point you made about love, compassion, understanding others, helping others to live happy successful lives and eliminating attitudes that exclude others.
I’ll repeat what I said before —
“It seems to me that religion, and especially Christianity, is not yet fully developed. It needs more time to improve on its ability to persuade all its followers, and the whole world also, to pursue the ideals you spoke of.
Billysees
@D9W: Re 41, “Let see here…
I just finished commenting on one of your posts elsewhere on Queerty.
So…I can say again that I enjoy reading your commentary here.