A gay sex club in New York is under fire for charging vastly different admission prices for “tops” and “bottoms”.
ANONYMOUS is a sex party for guys in Brooklyn. After the smashing success of its first event over the Black Party weekend last month, the party is returning for a second outing on June 2.
Organizers are charging $65 entry for bottoms…. but just $25 for tops.
Naturally, bottoms aren’t terribly pleased about the idea of paying over 50% more. Many are questioning the huge disparity in price, as well as how the policy will be enforced.
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ANONYMOUS promoter Luke, who identifies as a “big old bottom”, tells Gay Star News the decision was made out of a need for “a huge ratio of tops to bottoms.”
“The way the party works is that bottoms volunteer as a cumdump, they are placed into position for the entirety of the party and stay there as long as they want,” Luke explains.
He continues, “We wanted to keep the party more manageable for obvious safety reasons. So we used a smaller and therefore more expensive (per capita) space.”
Still, many feel it is yet another example of “top privilege,” which has becoming a growing concern within the gay community.
But Luke is defending the huge price gap.
“That’s also part of what the bottoms are paying more for,” he says, “a guaranteed high numbers of tops.”
Related: “Top privilege” is a problem and it needs to be addressed
tampaed
Tops are such a rare thing they should be allowed in free…
But how are they deciding who’s who at the door??
ChicagoSteve
If you trying to get in for the cheaper top price they won’t let you go in the middle of the room and be a bottom.
Hardptyplr
All the years that I was a total top’. I never got a price break? Are things really that bad?
pharaon.em.joe
I, a bottom, would def go. I think the promoter is smart because nowadays everyone is a bottom. Pay money bitch. I think they should come up with a way to identify tops and bottoms. For instance video footage from a bath house. Unfortunately, gay bath houses in new york are pretty disgusting.
crowebobby
Makes me so proud to be gay. What young teen hasn’t dreamed of one day becoming a “cumdump”? When I first read “The Berlin Stories” back in the early 50’s, this was the world I so longed to find and enter. (Oh, Mary, what has become of us?!)
Mandrake
LOL
mzvky
Amen.
JED08
Have to agree with you on that.
RamblingManNJ
Yes, totally agree as well, how can we expect to be treated with dignity and respect by the straight world if we don’t treat ourselves with dignity and respect.
jorgecruz
Totally agree. Thank god we don’t have to rely on this generation to come up with Act Up or HRC or GMHC. Their biggest complaints are higher prices for tops over bottoms and when the grindr app is down. They have no idea how good they have it.
Doug
This doesn’t make any sense. It will only discourage more bottoms to attend, which will leave all the top guys there by themselves.
Daniel
As a Latino Bottom, I’m so insulted!
First, I had to fight my way through the tall blond goods, I’m 5’4″. Then, White Privilege. Now, Top privilege… Serious!?!?
If I have to pay double to show those Tops a thing or two. I will get to the bottom of this… In the end it’s about making everyone happy, no butts about it!
Very insulted!
dgsea06
Daniel! Best comment here! Your double entendr’s are smart, fun and funny.
Take the insults along with the outsults and you’ll be just fine.
CanadianGuy62
Obviously math isn’t a strong suit of the writer. The bottom fee of $65 is 160% higher than $25.
qlm
Why would you expect math to be a strong suit, of course it isn’t, this isn’t a math site. I would have gone with the more obvious phrasing of “editing isn’t a strong suit of the author.” And an aside, saying “… bottoms aren’t terribly pleased about the idea of paying over 50% more. ” isn’t technically incorrect, 160% is obviously over 50%. =) He probably meant to say “…bottoms aren’t terribly pleased about the idea of Tops paying over 50% less.”
Godabed
Why do ppl pay for sex when you can have it for free… and cum dumps really…this just sounds stupid. Then promoting cum dumping. Doesn’t sound safe. What the f kind of checks are in place here. This is the exact warning that was made about Prep when it was release, and why insurance companies are now denying coverage for prep users. Just stupid.
Godabed
It’s very easy get a couple friends whom you test with, invite them all over, have sex. Make it a weekly/monthly thing. Not that hard ppl.
Zakaroo
Honestly, this is an epidemic waiting to happen. Cumdumping is totally unsafe, PREP or no PREP. It is not 100%, and with all that bareback sex going on (probably with lots of drugs and alcohol and lowered inhibitions) is a recipe for disaster. I am sure most of the party-goers are much younger than those of us who painfully remember that bad old days and fear of the HIV/AIDs when so many of our community died horrible and painful deaths. Rent a brain, guys!!! Yes, Godabed, this is just stupid!
Caine
People make choices when it comes to their sex lives and what turns them on. If you find being a “cumdump” or taking loads and having unprotected sex something that you don’t want to do – that is great for you. If other people want to engage in these activities that is their business and no need for cumdump shaming. You do you and the rest of us with do us.
Kangol
It may be “easy” for you, but depending upon how people look, their ages, etc., it may not be so easy for them. That means you then have several options. 1) Pay for sex outright with a sex worker. 2) Go to a bathhouse or sex club where people might be more open to have sex with someone because they’re horny and want it, so they’re less picky. 3) Go to a public sex venue (like the ones in the Fire Island Pines, in the dunes in P’town, etc.) and you might encounter someone who’s less picky but just badly wants sex. Options 1-2 require that you pay something. Option 3 is usually free, but you could get busted by the cops, which is exponentially more costly in the long run. Does that answer your first question? As for PrEP, yes, the cumdumping scenarios are an issue, but better that people use it rather than not.
Godabed
@Caine cumdump shaming isn’t a thing, don’t try to make it a thing either. Clearly your have reading issues because in the followup I state how someone could have group sex in a much safer environment with people they know and trust. So Girl bye.
@Kangol easy no, but accessible to everyone yes. Today’s social media atmosphere literally creates an environment where anyone can score (even after the fall of Craigslist), or find a niche of people who are into them. So I don’t buy it. Even in Rural communities without or lacking internet people still manage to score. No matter their backgrounds. And the whole culture of cruising is what started sex clubs like the one above in the first place (access). These being raided is what started the Gay liberation which inspired pride. But our culture has changed since then, and cruising locations have died out for the most part (except for closeted gays, bicurious people who refuse to embrace who they are), because of apps like grindr, tindr, scruff, jacked, and a number of other apps all designed to find someone. Some of which host monthly weekly group sex parties if you know where to look. This is New York city after all, there is no shortage of available gay bisexual men there.
Topman60640
I don’t know where you’re getting your info, but my insurance company would rather negotiate the cost of PeEP than navigate the cost of HIV/AIDS care.
Anybody on PrEP has already been lectured by their MD, and in my case, even a 30 second chat with my pharmacist at Walgreen’s.
None of this is new behavior, but now people have more choices and ways to protect themselves, IF THEY WANT TO.
I’m all Top, and a condom nazi since i trust no gay man to tell me the truth when when it comes to casual sex.
I went on PrEP so I would have choices, if I WANTED to,
Would I go bare at an event like this? Most likely not, since any self-described “cum dump” might have more going on down there beyond HIV, not to mention what my fellow Tops might contribute to the situation.
DHT
At least we know it is consensual if someone is shelling out the $65.00. Better than a bunch of tops wolf packing a bottom on GHB.
hansniemeijer
Every good top is a bottom at times and vice versa. The price difference is RIDICULOUS!!
What’s next? Different prices for lefthanded and righthanded people? Tall and short people? Men with and men without foreskins? Inhabitants of the US and foreign visitors? Getting tired of ALL kinds of discrimination including this one………………………………………………………..
Topman60640
Swingers clubs charge different prices for single men, couples, single women. Why should gay events be different?
batesmotel
Well I don’t bottom or have any interest in it.
dannyboi2
Is this even legal and where do you get a permit for this? Isn’t charging for sex be considered prostitution? I don’t know this all sounds very suspect.
Kangol
Pssst: no licenses for NY sex parties, or for ones in most places, I imagine. Formal bathhouses and clubs DO require licenses, inspections, you name it. Sex parties have never gone out of style, but were really big in the 90s and early 2000s, too, as the longstanding sex clubs (Lure, Anvil, etc.) and bath houses (Man’s Country, etc.) in NYC closed down. The ones in Harlem, Fort Greene, Jackson Heights, and the South Bronx were legendary!
tjr101
The overwhelming majority of the bottoms will be older white men, those with $65 to spare on a weekend. You’re not going to find too many college age kids or twinks paying that price.
Chrisk
That’s an interesting Theory. You’re creating a situation where you have older bottoms placed with younger tops.
CrowBobby’s probably looking for the address right now as we speak
Heywood Jablowme
Ha. Sounds likely. Although it would just take one cute twink with $65 to pretty much monopolize the cum-dumping.
queerty02
Might be just me, but I don’t think attractive people generally pay money to have intercourse with one another.
dwes09
Attractive people pay money to go to sex parties. That is clearly “attractive people paying money to have intercourse with each other”. Otherwise, probably not; though I have known very attractive men who went to male prostitutes because they got some sort of added thrill out of it and because it was about as “no strings” as you can get.
tjr101
@queerty02, attractive people pay to have sex all the time. Sometimes people want the instant gratification without the strings and go to parties like these. I’m guessing you think only ugly people seek out prostitutes?
Attractiveness is subjective anyway.
Topman60640
Exactly. Just like straight bars on “Ladies Night” where they get in reduced/no cover, guys pay.
Economics 101
Chrisk
Actually sex clubs discriminate too. Like one age will get one price and another older age will get another. Usually double.
Caine
I agree with tampaed – they should let the tops in for free!!!
mzvky
The Christian Right – which controls the federal government – will have a field day with this.
dwes09
Even if it never happened, they would make it up. Evangelicals and Fundamentalists lie like rugs.
Marty69
What if you’re neither a top nor a bottom? What do you pay?
Kangol
I just hope everyone who participated had a ball but also that 1) the cumdumps & the guys plowing them are on PrEP; and 2) everyone pays a visit to their doctor or the NY Health Dept (or Callen-Lorde, etc.) to get a checkup for STIs after this party, since it sounds like condoms at least were not part of the mix!
Zakaroo
Good advice, Kangol.
ethan_hines
And to have been on PrEP for at least 2 weeks before taking a load.
Kangol
Yes, I knew of parties that let musclemen in for free; uncut guys for a discount; lower prices for tops, etc. None of this is new. In a public venue, it’s a legal issue, though.
Geeker
It’s stories like this that kind of make me wish for a massive asteroid strike that wipes out humanity.
dwes09
Why exactly? Is sex other than your style of sex (unless you are one of those bizarre incel types) that triggering for you? Do you think sport sex is that horrifying, and if so why exactly?
Topman60640
How is this a “legal issue?” It’s a private event. I’ve gone to invitation-only events in hotel rooms, members only events in private spaces, and backroom play in bars. All of them have fees, be it a bar cover charge, help pay for the room rental, or for food and beverages outside the play space.
Are you planning to get the thing raided? What’s it to you?
ethan_hines
When you think about it, how is this any different than women getting in free and men having to pay at straight bars? To me it makes sense.
Ryanpdx25
Hopefully those who do pay admission can also afford their own healthcare.
prarie pup
Amen.
Esscourt
Happy Pride everybody, right? Pfffffttttt!!!!! Give me a break!!!!
David
In a few Australian Sex clubs, we call them Sex on premises venues, they have an 8″ and over FREE rule. So the big dicks get in for free.
queerty02
Why are people paying to participate in sex? I mean… you want anyone with $25 to get to put their dick in you?
Chrisk
How old are you by the way? You must be a millennial because we never complained about it. Besides you pay for a lot of things that concern sex. Going to a club, a party, bath houses, etc.
johnnymcmxxx
Any good business person would charge the common overpopulation of bottoms more. They are guaranteed to be there and they’re not getting off bumping pussies. The in-demand tops should get a free entry or there is no party.
prarie pup
Screw these guys (no pun intended). This country is a democracy and in a democracy–with a few exceptions–you can charge whatever price you want. If you don’t like what they stand for, DON’T GO.
Kangol
I think you’re confusing a political system (democracy) with an social and economic one. Democracy means only that everyone putatively has a right to vote. But a democracy can be heavily regulated, by the government, by custom, by the marketplace, and many other factors, and many are. You cannot charge whatever price you want in many democracies across the globe, for sex or anything else.
batesmotel
Not terribly surprising considering that there tends to be more bottoms than tops in the gay world for some reason. And it’s that companies event or whatever it is, so that can do whatever they like. Something about this event screams disease though.
BigPoleLittleHole
“SO CLIMB DOWN OFF THAT RAG and report the real news”
GURL, this ain’t the Washington Post. Unclench.
nitejonboy
Cumdump ?? So it’s a poz party ? Or a pnp ? No condoms ? Well, then feel free to pay the price, and you will PAY THE PRICE!
surreal33
Very sad in 2018 this kind of depravity is celebrated. I hope one-day gay men can move past self-hate and self-destruction.
Chrisk
Oh Lord. Have you ever heard of swingers parties? Very popular now too with the straight crowd.
Chrisk
Now go back to your old ladies knitting club or whatever it is you came from.
dwes09
Please explain, using both words and your brain, how exactly specific sex acts indicate self hatred. Do you think that since sex is fun it is sinful and that only the self-hating indulge in sin?
Are you (even unconsciously) invested in evangelical sexual morality where sex, even in monogamous relationships, is suspect because it is “pleasure of the flesh”?
The only valid issue is the spread of STI’s, and that can be mitigated easily in various ways. Some folks may be too stupid to be conscious of that, but most are not.
I engaged in a “gang bang” once before we knew we had to worry about HIV, just to know what it was like (I was a ginger before it faded away, we have our admirers…not gonna say how many men took advantage before i has had enough). Glad i did it…lucky to have remained HIV-…never been one for self hatred or self destruction and never did it a second time.
Bellerophon69
Celebrated and enjoyed, Honey!
Woody
Disgusting
dwes09
Thankfully, no one person is the arbiter of what is appropriate for others. And thankfully some still honor consent.
AL
just boycott the event and let the party goes empty
see if they dare to set prices like that again
Nuttypea
perhaps the $65 covers the price of the blindfold
woodroad34
So tops are scarce? Everywhere I look guys are “total tops” or “versatile tops” very rarely are there “total bottoms” or “versatile bottoms”. It seems the real scarcity are the bottoms; and the sneering putdown of bottoms as “cumdrops” is fairly derivative of “top privilege”. It sounds like it’s more of a s&m party than a sex party, which to me means flipping and flopping depending on whom you’re having sex with at the moment.
CastleSF
I agree with you that the perception that bottoms outnumber tops is a myth because that is totally not my experience. I think that many bottoms are a little too outspoken and too aggressive – some would say greedy – contrary to the popular impression that they appear to be more submissive. They also tend to abuse drugs more than the general gay population. What looks from the outside is rarely what it really is.
DHT
Sounds fine as long as they have a no drugs policy…if there are drugs involved then this party should get busted. Tops in a cell separated from the bottoms of course.
ShowMeGuy
The basic economics of *supply and demand*. Too many bottoms and too few tops.
Bellerophon69
There’s always been a “shortage” of hung tops and the ratio of bottoms to tops are always higher; if it increases the number of desirable tops attending I say go for it! I agree with the theory of “supply and demand”, and if there are more tops then bottoms don’t have to wander around aimlessly hoping to “get lucky”; it’s win-win. I always hated going to a bathhouse and finding a bunch of horny bottoms like me (actually now I’m pretty versatile, when I was young, hot, and “in demand” it was easier to be a bottom) and no tops; whata we gonna do, bump butts all night? If I knew of a club that did this, I definitely would be going and paying a higher price for admission. You get what you pay for!
CastleSF
Again that’s just your misguided perception, a very twisted one indeed. It has never been and it won’t be supported by facts and common sense. Maybe you are just one of those greedy and insatiable.