Meet Dr. Joe Kort, an openly gay sex therapist and author. Kort has taken his practice online to TikTok, where his claim–that sex between men is a “guy thing”–has made him infamous.
In a recent video, Kort made the assertion as part of an underlying thesis that behavior doesn’t determine sexual orientation; rather, feelings do.
“When straight men have sex with men it’s not a gay thing, it’s a guy thing,” he said in the video. “In general, men have more transactional sex with one another, in general women don’t. Men have objectified sex where it’s just about the act, it’s just about getting off.”
“Straight men are not attracted to men, they’re attracted to the sex with men,” he added. “Could some of these men be gay or bisexual? Absolutely, but that comes over time and that’s a trajectory that only they can be in touch with to figure that out. The straight man who is having sex with another man is into it because the guy is into him, it’s all about him.”
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Of course, many of his 300,000 followers had to weigh in on the issue.
“Some people amaze me,” said one follower. “The double standard too. Women ‘make out’ with other women and still be 100 percent straight.”
“This has been happening since the beginning of time,” said another. “People need to research.”
The debate carried over onto Twitter, where a number of Dr. Kort’s videos also circulate.
“I relate so much on this vid bc I’ve met several ‘straight’ men who treat gays as sexual objects,” said Twitter user @alter_kovu. “This short vid kinda explains that behavior.”
I came across with Dr. Joe Kort's vids, a sex therapist, on Tiktok and I found some interesting vids including this #altercebu pic.twitter.com/jcurDDp8tN
— SZA SZA Padilla (@alter_kovu) January 1, 2021
“Thank you, Dr. Joe Kort, what are your rates?” asked @comrade_nikita. “I am in need of sexual healing”
Thank you, Dr. Joe Kort, what are your rates? I am in need of sexual healing
— Nikita (@comrade_nikita) February 28, 2021
According to his website, Dr. Joe Kort has practiced sex therapy since 1985. He earned his doctorate (Ph.D.) in Clinical Sexology from the American Academy of Clinical Sexologists, a Florida-based graduate school. He operates his own practice which specializes in the treatment of sex addiction and issues surrounding queer sexuality. He’s authored articles in such publications as Huffington Post and Psychology Today, as well as four books dealing with gay male sexuality and relationships.
We have a feeling he’s about to get a big influx of clients.
Bosch
So who’s gonna tell this pandering heteronormative quack that straight men don’t get aroused from homosexual behaviour?
Claiming that there is nothing gay about gay sex is a prime example of internalised homophobia.
Bosch
To clarify, instead of just complaining:
“Kort made the assertion as part of an underlying thesis that behavior doesn’t determine sexual orientation; rather, feelings do.”
Kort is, intentionally or unintentionally, confusing sexual orientation with affectional orientation. Sex with other men is homoSEXual, feelings for other men are homoromantic.
It does not help our cause to teach gay men how to pretend to be straight.
Donston
The problem is there are many “gay” identifying males who aren’t truly homosexual. And there are some inherent homosexuals and sexually homo-leaning people who are very hetero when it comes to the overall orientation spectrum. There are quite a few bisexual/pansexual people who like being seen as “gay” or “straight”. There are people who are inherently homo or hetero but like being seen as “bi” or “pan” or “fluid” or “queer”. While fluidity and contractions are real things.
At the end of the day, these identities are just things people choose to embrace or not embrace based on dimensions, preferences, lifestyle, sociology and/or how they wish to be seen by the world. I don’t think dictating identity or being obsessed with definitions is the way to go. It’s not working any more. However, what this doctor is peddling is overly simplistic, pandering, hetero-centric and homo shaming. Things are far more complicated, nuanced and individual than what can fit in a minute long TikTok about supposed “straight” guys.
Donston
Yeah, it’s about to be another one of my long posts:
His perspective is incredibly broad-stroking and narrow. Some “straight” identifying men who have frequent sexual encounters with their sex fit that very narrow definition. However, many do not. He is also broad-stroking women. There’s some definite misogyny and oversimplification of women going on there. While it doesn’t seem as if he’s interested in educating people but rather just establishing supposed “straightness” and promoting identity politics. If he was truly interested in educating people on sexuality then he’d not be so focused on pushing identities and wouldn’t be so obsessed with defining “straightness” as a gay identifying male. There’s also a lot of guys who use women like sexual objects, fetish, ego boosters and/or sociological protection. However, they have quite a bit more general same-sex passions, desire for affirmation, emotional investment, relationship comfort. But of course, these types of “doctors” don’t ever want to investigate those types of guys (of which there are many) because they’re hyper focused on “straight” guys and/or dudes in hetero commitments. That’s how you know it’s less about educating people and more about being obsessed with “straight’ guys doing it with dudes”.
Shit like this is partially why I’m over identity and sexual politics. There’s something icky about a “gay psychologist” who mainly makes TikToks about the “straightness” of homo sex. It just feels like he’s justifying his obsession with “straight” guys and trying to maintain his belief that all these dudes he’s hooked up with are “straight”, rather than actually trying to enlighten anyone and delve into nuance and individualism. He’s just pandering to “straight” who have sex with dudes. That’s all he’s doing. He also comes off like just another person who will say or do anything to get attention and validation on social media platforms.
We need to be teaching that “sexuality” is more than one or two things. It encompasses a lot (types and rates of attraction, arousal, desire, enjoyment, fetish, passion, who you like pleasing, who you like pleasuring you, what you will and won’t indulge, the overall extent of your sex drive). We need to be teaching that convenience, experimentation, contractions, fluidity are real experiences for some people. Teach how vast the gender, romantic, sexual, affection, emotional investment, commitment spectrum is. Talk about how much ego, sociology, masculinity/femininity, money, resentment, internalized phobias, traumas, mental health, general psyche often have an affect on people’s sense of self and/or how they present themselves. Simply being hyper focused on what it means to be a “straight guy” or even a “gay guy” is not the answer. Once again, there’s no education, just broad-stroking, pandering and promoting identity politics.
Bosch
Long, hard, and absolutely correct.
barryaksarben
IT is so tiresome – I am so tired of people trying to go to any lengths to give guys who have GAY sex an EXCUSE as to not identify as gay or BI. This is total BULLSHIT. IF you are not attracted to men you dont have sex with them and if you do have sex with men you are having GAY SEX even if you dont do it often. YOU can be a “guy” or a “buddy” or “drunk” but you are having GAY SEX
Donston
Barry, sorry, but your perspective is as problematic as the doctor’s. Some guys do enjoy sexually engaging with guys but they don’t have any real same-sex attractions. It does happen. (Once again “sexuality” is a bunch of stuff: the rates and types of attraction, arousal, desire, enjoyment, passion, preferences, fetish, who you like pleasing, who you like getting pleasure from, what behaviors you’re willing to engage and what you won’t, the extent of your sex drive. Stop over-simplying sexuality). Some of those types of guys who enjoy homo sex but have little to no same-sex attractions say that they’re “straight”. Some say that they’re “bi” or “fluid” or “open-minded” or even “gay”. While fluidity is legit. I have experienced it. Many people I know have as well. It’s not just something a lot of folks have made up. And it occurs in many different ways and to many extents, not just one way. Stop over-simplifying that as well. Hyper sexuality or being filled with a lot of fetishes and paraphiliacs can also affect your behaviors. They make you more prone to sexually engage with whoever. While there are gay identifying people who are actually inherently heterosexual or sexually hetero-leaning. They just live “gay” lifestyles or have overall same-sex preferences or are in same-sex commitments. So, they embrace “gay”. Don’t be dismissive towards love and the romantic, affection, emotional investment, commitment aspects of orientation. Because those things is often why many people “come out” or are in same-sex relationships, not strictly sex. And yes, many people’s identities or how they present themselves to the world is driven by stuff like homophobia, hetero pressures and expectations, not wanting to come out, not wanting to be viewed as “gay”, internalized homophobia, masculine insecurities, ego, money, attention, mental health, family, religion, etc.
Like the doctor, you’re focused entirely on identity and you’re oversimplifying just how individual people and their motivations are. Everyone’s got their own thing going on. All of this stuff is a person by person. Both the doctor and many of these comments are being basic and broad-stroking. We also generally place way too focus on sex as a society. People and even people’s sexualities go way beyond sex. We really need to stop looking strictly at sex to justify anything. While we need to face the cold reality that these identities always have been and always will be a choice.
Once we understand all this stuff and get past it, then we can have some real conversations, and we move past the obsession with being “gay” or “not gay” or “straight”.
armandov
What exactly is “identity politics”? Do you mean the senior citizen who votes for the candidate who supports Medicare or the wealthy person that supports the candidate who provides tax breaks for the uber-rich or the black person who wants to support affirmative action? Is that what you mean by identity politics? Meaning, every human being wants things important to them.Its natural and obvious.
Donston
I meant what I said. And it doesn’t have anything to do with senior citizens and healthcare.
Cam
The key term is “Straight Identifying” Not “Straight.
In these times where women aren’t saving themselves until marriage and are happy to sleep with men they are attracted to, claiming that “straight guys” are running around trying to sleep with other men is just another in the long line of effort to deny that the closet exists.
If it happened once in college when he was drunk, I’ll buy it, if it happens monthly every time his wife is out of town…no, he isn’t straight.
ShiningSex
Exactly!!!
DarkZephyr
*Thunderous Applause*
He’s just justifying self hatred and contributing to the alarming new efforts to erase gay identity.
bivector
I remember once reading an interview with a Greek woman who said (I paraphrase): “All of the boys here used to have sex with each other, but then you Americans came over with your labels and they all stopped because they didn’t want to be gay.” All of it is semantics, honestly. Our gay-straight-bisexual categories are heavily culturally influenced. There are and have been many societies with same-sex behavior where those categories didn’t apply at all.
Also, our definitions have such a “one drop rule” feel to it. Just like how by American racial standards black + anything = black, anything plus dick defines a sexuality. One dick and you can no longer be a lesbian or straight, but vagina doesn’t seem to have the same defining power. I look forward to a few generations from now when the genderfluid and pansexuals save us all from our categories.
Donston
None of this post justifies this doctor’s perspective. You can be anti identity and sexual politics and still see how problematic his stances are. Your perspective, like the doctor’s, is entirely from a hetero-centric and hetero importance perspective. While stuff like pansexual, fluid, queer, non-binary, genderfluid, hetero-flexible, homo-flexible and so on are just extensions of identities and identity politics and are also greatly influenced by culture and ego and sociology, in case you haven’t noticed. They’re not any different than standard straight-gay-bi.
The doctor is not at all talking about identity politics, sexual freedom, experimentation, nuance, different psyches, the individualism of sexuality and gender, the orientation spectrum. His comments are instead homo-shaming and “straight” praising. And if anything, he’s just looking to re-affirm identities, hetero normalcy, closet pressures and the importance of “straightness”, which you’re claiming to be against. There is nothing progressive or enlightened about his videos.
Understand what you’re promoting and what someone is truly saying before you hop on somebody’s bandwagon just because you don’t like the wagon we’re on.
Cam
Translation, the gay and bi guys didn’t want to be called gay or bi.
splunky
@Cam BINGO!!! Funny how they don’t want to be labeled, but it’s only when they get called gay or bi. The straight label don’t seem to bother them at all. It’s all about getting to keep that privilege. And the fact that being gay or bi (especially for men) is still considered a bad thing.
bivector
“Translation, the gay and bi guys didn’t want to be called gay or bi.”
Sort of, but not really if she was correct, because she was implying that it was pretty much everybody. Though I guess in our labeling system that’s the “everybody is a little bi” thesis. I suppose it follows from sexuality being both fluid and a spectrum, but my main takeaway is that there are lots of reasons–circumstantial internal, and situational–for someone to have sex with someone of any gender. You might be attracted to every man with a six pack, but only ever feel sexual attraction to one specific woman because you love her music or demeanor or something (been there). I am torn on whether it’s bi erasure for that person to still identify as gay. Conversely, do those “gay baiting” Instagram stars get to identify as bi if they’re willing to make out their best friend on camera? And what if they enjoy it, but the only part that turns them on is that people are watching? I know plenty of guys who legitimately just get off on other guys finding them hot.
Granted, the fact that heteronormativity makes “straight” the default in our society complicates this whole thing here, so it’ll be a few generations before we see what things really look like “naturally.”
ShiningSex
sex between two men that happens ONCE may be experimenting. More than that, NO!!!
You either accept your attraction to men or deny it. Just like lots of gay men slept with women in denial or hiding their sexuality.
It’s sad, but it happens.
PhillyProud
Ok, I hope I don’t slammed for this… I’ve always thought that what made me gay was the emotional side. I could never be romantically in love with a woman. I’ve found it easy to sleep with women (when her husband is really hot, and it’s all or none). I totally get why sex with a woman is awesome. But, it’s not emotional for me. At some point, in my 20s, I felt I could express my closeness with a woman with physical intimacy. It still didn’t make me straight, or even bi.
Orientation can be really nuanced. I like the post by the guy who quoted the Greek woman. I think there are many man who would enjoy it but, we’ve been so shamed to act on our physical desires that they don’t.
And if a man who identifies as straight wants to experiment, what’s wrong with that. I have a straight friend who literally said to me, “I wanted to see what the fuss was all about, so I did it”. He shrugged and basically said it didn’t do much for him. I have to respect that.
Cam
“And if a man who identifies as straight wants to experiment, what’s wrong with that.”
1, “Straight” men are too busy trying to have sex with women to want to experiment. Words still mean something.
2. All of this seems like just another in a long, long, LONG effort at bi erasure and pretending that the closet doesn’t exist.
What’s wrong with it is that right wingers are still trying to pass laws against LGBTQ people living their lives, and here we have this guy basically saying that obviously gay or bi people aren’t gay and bi. A very convenient way to short circuit people fighting for LGBTQ rights. If everybody is “Straight” there’s no need for LGBTQ civil rights is there?
Donston
What you’re saying is reasonable. What isn’t reasonable is a “gay psychologist” who mostly makes TikToks about why homo behaving men are “straight”. If you want to focus on the nature of experimentation and nuance and sexual dimensions and identity politics and the orientation spectrum and how much society and ego affects what we do and how we present ourselves, I applaud that. However, that is not what this doctor is doing. Another piece of this conversation, which the doctor has ignored in all his vids, is the obsession a percentage of “queers” have with “straight” identifying people and how so many “queers” view non homosexuals as superior and how many “queers” fantasies are pretty much hooking up with a “straight” identifying person or having a “straight” identifying person fall in love with them. That part of the conversation can’t be overlook. Because best believe some of that has to do with why he’s making all these videos.
Gender, sexuality, identity and the orientation spectrum sexual complicated and nuanced and individual. And everyone has their reasons for why they do whatever or identity as what whatever. That is not reflected in this doctor’s videos. What he’s doing is rather irresponsible and pandering.
barryaksarben
I tried sex with women and it felt fine. It wasnt mindblowing like sex with men is to me. I am gay but some may call me bi but I wont BS anyone I am gay. Men who have GAY sex can call themselves anything they want but they are having gay sex
splunky
@barryaksarben The key word is “tried”. You tried it, but realized it wasn’t really your thing. Now if you are still having sex with women, then that’s going beyond experimentation and you really can’t call yourself gay. It’s great to experiment to figure out what you are really into, but I am noticing that some of these “straight” guys constantly feel the need to keep having sex with other guys. I mean if you tried it and liked it and wanna keep on doing it, then that straight label just isn’t gonna stick.
Vince
Shows their level of internalized hate. At the very least you’re bisexual in nature. They can’t even admit that.
BoomerMyles
” I’m not gay but the guy I blow is.”
mastik8
As if things weren’t confusing enough. Is there a pronoun discussion to follow.
pugdad
Why are we now making this a thing, and calling it what it is not? These guys are forgetting about the Kinsey scale. Sexuality is fluid in many, but it is also not fluid with many. If a so called “straight” man is engage in homosexual behavior, he is choosing to do so because he is somewhere on the scale. He could be predominantly heterosexual, but if you are seeking men for sex, and responding to them. it seems hypocritical to deny one’s bisexuality, even if it is low on the scale. I think this straight guy having gay sex thing is just an excuse for the desire for gay sex. It’s ok “straight” guys, go home to your girlfriends and wives, because I have no other expectations then getting off with you. Well, before I found my man of course.
GlobeTrotter
“Kort made the assertion as part of an underlying thesis that behavior doesn’t determine sexual orientation; rather, feelings do.”
I think he’s 100% right on this one. God knows how many straight men I’ve banged senseless in my lifetime, and they’ve all said the same thing, i.e. that they’re not gay, yet I’ve had a far easier time getting them into my bed than gay men.
I met this body builder guy at a bar last year, invited him to my place and we started drinking. I’ve always seen him around the bar and one summer night when he wore tight fitting shorts and a tank top, I almost creamed on the spot! So, I got him to my apartment, we started drinking a few beers, then I started complimenting him. I asked him if he had an Instagram page, he said no. I said, why not, with a body like yours, you’ve gotta show it off. He got so turned on by this (to my great surprise) that he started putting on a show. Then I would tell him to remove his shirt, then his shorts, etc., and by the end he was so turned on by me getting off on his body, then I bent him over right there in the kitchen. Next morning he swore he was not attracted to men, but was so turned on by me admiring his body, he couldn’t control himself.
And that’s just one of many, many adventures I’ve had with straight guys!
splunky
You write great fiction.
UlfRaynor
You did not bang a lot of str8 guys, you banged a lot of heteroromantic/ heterocentric bi guys who think bi is just another word for gay and in there minds, there can’t be anything more emasculating then someone thinking they might be a homosexual.
Donston
As usual, most comments are being hella defensive and everyone is making it about their own stances on identity and sexual politics rather than actually breaking down what this dude is saying and promoting. There is no point in whining about “erasing”. Just as there’s no point being obsessed with eradicating identity in general. Because people are always gonna do what they want and say they are whatever they want. While it’s true that behaviors do not determine sexuality. If you want sexuality to be based on behaviors then a lot of people are gonna have to get rid of their “born this way” mentality or that sexuality is based on “attractions”. While fluidity is a reality so many of you keep dismissing. A lot of you people really have no idea what they want “sexuality” to be, just that you want it to fit your politics. Sense of self, sexuality, orientation, gender, love, relationships/commitments, motivations, why someone does what they do or someone identifies as whatever- these are always gonna be very individual things. And they need to be looked at on a person-by-person basis.
It doesn’t matter how you view identity and sexual politics, the real issue here is that what he’s selling is shallow, incomplete and from a hetero-centric and “straight” obsessing perspective. And he’s doing it just for views. However, he’s not saying stuff we haven’t heard for decades. That’s why his videos and quotes are so problematic and disappointing. They’re basic and old-fashioned as hell.
tjack47
People are what they tell me they are, unless they show me different. There’s also been a lot of focus on the “bromance”.
Robothedestroyer
Good lord the amount of pearl-clutching going on under this story is giving me arthritis.
ZoltanPepper
LOL. Carpal tunnel, too.
armandov
There is a huge issue in the gay community w/ going after the “straight” dude even though he isn’t straight, All of those porn videos where one of the dudes is supposedly straight and “reluctantly” has sex w/ a gay guy? So ridiculous. If you have a c*ck in your mouth or a c*ck up your ass, you aint straight. PERIOD.
Donston
Can the “if you have sex with guys then you’re ‘gay’ or ‘bi” people STFU? Repeating that same basic stance is not going to make everyone see sexuality the way you do. And it’s not gonna make others identify as you want them to. While no technical definition of sexuality or orientation has ever been strictly based on behaviors or based on behaviors at all.
Y’all always wanna tell somebody what they are or are not. But when people talk about how individual and varied sexuality is and how many aspects of sexuality there is, y’all don’t have anything to say. When people talk about dealing with fluidity or contractions or confusions y’all have nothing to contribute. When people talk about the gender, romantic, sexual, affection, emotional investment, commitment spectrum y’all are quiet. Most of y’all don’t even get internalized homophobia or toxic masculinity or mental health struggles, but you will drop those phrases with little context. This is because most y’all are incredibly undereducated when it comes to sexuality, gender, sociology, psychology, the orientation spectrum, and identity politics. And I don’t care if I’m coming off condescending or like an asshole. Learn some shit. Do some more research. Talk to a greater variety of people. Many of y’all really need to understand some shit beyond “labels” and sexual behaviors. Stop being basic ass bitter “queers” and actually contribute. Its 2021. Grow up.
There’s a lot of stuff to confront when it comes to this type of topic. If you’re not willing to attack all the nuance then, like this doctor, you don’t have much to contribute.
Just a corny doctor saying some dudes are “straight” and a bunch of corny queers saying some dudes are “not straight”. None of that shit is the point. And both sides are hella problematic and basic.
UlfRaynor
Get over yourself Donston, I haven’t seen one post by you that you aren’t spouting a lexicon of labels at people and telling them what YOU think.
You’re not a sex/relationship expert Donston and everyone here has the same right to voice their opinions as you!
Donston
Once again, I don’t care if I come off condescending or like an a-hole. Both this doctors’ videos and most of these comments come off like shallow dumbass-ery and are both mostly problematic as hell. It’s not about being an “expert”. It’s about not being a “queer” in your 40s and 50s who still knows little about sexuality, gender, orientation, sociology and psychology beyond sexual behaviors and identities. It’s about having actual compassion and a desire to understand each other, instead of just faking those things in order to push whatever agenda or to fulfill whatever fantasies.
I get that we are living in an era of people not wanting understand shit beyond one of two straightforward points, but if you don’t like my long-winded posts then skip past those posts. If you don’t like my attitude skip my posts. I no longer give a shit about offending anyone here. If I see dumb, basic, undereducated, problematic, nuance-less shit then I’mma call it dumb shit. And I’m not apologizing for it any longer.
Cam
@Donston
And here we go again.
The same account that ALWAYS makes claims like “Most men who sleep with men are…..” or “It is well documented that…..” yet then cannot put up ANY proof behind the statements is enraged by the simple statement that if men are going around seeking out and sleeping with other men they aren’t fully straight. If you have anything that disputes my comment feel free to put it up there.
But this here is just you blathering on and saying nothing.
By the way, you said a while ago that you weren’t going to engage with me on here. I guess that comment was just as false as the phony statistics you try to use in your posts.
And I’ll say it again just because it made you so happy. If a man seeks out other men for sex, he isn’t straight. (Someone bring Donston their fainting couch so he can mock some more outrage).
UlfRaynor
And there it is, that self righteous progressive smugness.
Donston anytime you want to compare academic credentials I’ll be more than happy to do so.
You epitomize everything that is wrong with woke progressivism, the fact that your Foucaultian post modern deconstructionist bs doesn’t fly with me is more indicative of your sorrowful lack of understanding than mine and just because you’ve read a few articles or books written by like minded people who have no more insight into the human psyche, sexuality and condition so you can regurgitate their insane contents endlessly on this message board, doesn’t make you somehow more enlightened than the rest of us, nor your opinion any more valid.
storm45701
I suggest people go and read about whom used to frequent the back rooms of adult book stores in the olden days… plenty of straight men just wanting to get off. Labels are limiting and compromising. There is situational homosexual activity, based on circumstance (prison, military, camping trips, opportunity) and then there is identity. Remember, in ancient times, the Greeks, Italians and the Spartans were very accepting of same-sex behavior. The pioneering west in America also saw much homosexual activity. To deny history (and the fact that men have sexual appetites beyond emotional need) is to deny reality.
Cam
Except it isn’t situational. If they are married or dating, their wives or girlfriends were there for them, and there was no danger of getting arrested or mugged. People risk danger because sleeping with women wasn’t what they wanted.
Cam
As we saw before with that effort to create that B.S. “Heteroflexible” label. All of the anti-label crowd seem to have zero problems with labels as long as the word “Hetero” is in there.
UlfRaynor
And so long as they aren’t saying they are gay, because as you know Cam there’s nothing worse than a cis gendered gay man whose homosexuality is nothing more than his expression of his misogyny towards women.
I’m sure Donston will be along any minute to explain why we should remove the L and the G from LGBTQIA, because those “labels” are outdated representations of the human/psycho/social/sexual/relational/emotional hostile social dynamic that anti-gay ageist like him have bifurcated to obfuscate peoples perceptions of what reality actual is.
Heywood Jablowme
Apparently, Cam will only be happy when straight-identifying guys everywhere STOP experimenting with gay sex!
How would that help anybody? How would that advance gay rights? ‘Tis a mystery.
Cam
It’s interesting you seem desperate to misunderstand.
No, I’ll be happy when guys that are going around sneaking around behind their wives back to hookup with men every week stop getting described as “Straight”. That is the literal definition of the closet.
Vince
So you really think a bunch of closet case cases sneaking around on their gf’s and wives are the ones advancing gay rights?
Honey that’s just pathetic.
Heywood Jablowme
Nobody is describing them as “straight.” Everyone here seems to agree they’re not actually straight.
Joe Kort says they may consider themselves “straight-identifying.” Most of us consider that pretty silly. (Although few of us get as apoplectic as you do about it.)
Like it or not, people get to call themselves what they want. As I’ve told you before, your ranting and raving about it is about as effective as if you disliked the newfangled term “Inuit” and insisted no one call themselves that and stick to “Eskimo” because you’re comfortable with that. It’s not your call.
But go ahead, keep being outraged at “straight-identifying” guys, and keep writing about it here on Queerty. Maybe they’ll read it (yeah right) and stop doing it!
Heywood Jablowme
@Vince: That neither advances nor ret@rds gay rights in any respect. Nowadays, the closet door is potentially OPEN for any guy who wants to walk thru it (in most western countries).
How does it advance gay rights for a bunch of out-gay guys to argue about this terminology – in a gay forum that “straight-identifying” or closeted guys are not reading anyway?
UlfRaynor
So it’s your contention that because they reject truth and reality we shouldn’t point out their delusional BS?
Sounds a bit defeatist and pandering if you ask me.
I whole heartedly reject your notion that we should just shut up and let the inmates run the asylum.
Heywood Jablowme
@UlfRaynor: Point out their B.S. all you want. But it won’t accomplish anything because THEY are not reading this.
Suppose everyone here were to agree 100% on the minutiae of terminology. So what, what would that accomplish? The closet cases would still not be reading this.
Cam
You’re right, THEY aren’t reading this, so why put up with their BS. avoidance of truth?
Heywood Jablowme
@Cam/DCguy: Yes, yes, yes – I realize you’ve spent all your waking hours for the past 5 years here in the Queerty comments section. We are all impressed. Obviously you are enjoying your retirement. 🙂
Cam
Thank you for exposing that you’re another name for @Monkey1, Roy Ajax, TheREALTruth, etc…
You’ve used this exact same dig on me from multiple screenames.
You’re REALLY bad at trolling, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, right wingers hate education.
Heywood Jablowme
Cam: More projection from you. The ONLY one here who’s definitely PROVEN to have used “multiple screennames” is you. You called yourself DCguy for many months and you never explained why. Then you went back to using Cam. WHY IS THAT?
I’ve used that exact same dig on you a few times but only from this screen name, which is the only one one I have. I’m a political liberal and have no agreement with Monkey1, except maybe to the extent he considers you a bully and a retired crank who never leaves your basement (which of course I don’t “know” officially, but it’s probably true). I have been posting here for at least five years. If anyone adopts a few of my “digs” at you they may have observed that the digs are somewhat effective in flipping you out!
Btw, why are you so touchingly concerned about the “wives” here? Are you now enforcing hetero-normative morality? (I thought that was Wind Chime’s job!) Kort doesn’t even mention these guys being in existing relationships so I had assumed these were young guys who are single and can experiment freely, with or without your approval.
Heywood Jablowme
Hey – a few months you were sure I was a “multiple screenname” for the overeducated DONSTON! And your “proof” was… I wrote a LONG post, like Donston does! Gasp. Well, sweetie, maybe you should look up the word proof in the dictionary.
ButtrflyHighz
I just made an account simply so I can comment THANK YOU to apparently the only people with enough sense to see through bullshit like this. The logic that he uses only comes as progressive on the most superficial level when its really the opposite but for us to call him and people that reason with him out on it, we’re just hateful bitches apparently. We’re the toxic ones and not the men trying to justify cheating on their wives with other men just because our sexuality is a fetish to them.