We’ve never participated in an exorcism, but we’ve seen them in movies. And then there’s this submission from a reader, from the Manifested Glory Ministries in Bridgeport, Conn., where husband-and-wife team Patricia and Kelvin Mckinney (who can make you live longer!) work to expel the gay demon living inside this young man. Notes Manifested Glory on its YouTube page, “This man had a spirit in him. It can not stay it has to go. The Homosexual spirit is not of GOD!!!!!” We won’t even get into whether this “religious” practice (which, evidently, involves physical abuse) works or not — but we’re nearly certain writhing around the ground will not impact your biological preference for other men.
This is criminal assault. Nothing else.
I just watched the second video. There is absolutely no legal justification for this criminal assault and there should be no get of jail free card claiming “religious tolerance”.
Religious ignorance at its best.
…because we all remember when Jesus said “blessed by thy fat-ass religious bigots, for they shall abuse and traumatize young men until they barf into a hefty trash bag”
yea, back in grammar school the whole demon thing kinda started to kill the whole religion thing to me
This is disgusting. Whats more sad than these preachers believing they can cast out some homosexual demon is the poor man believing that it’s possible. Im afraid this probably isnt such a rare event.
I wonder how these people would react to the satirical ex nego ministry. http://www.bettybowers.com/exnegro.pdf
hrmmmm, his gyrations aaaare gay!
My family background is Evangelical and my mother is an exorcist, so those videos were both disturbing and amusing. Disturbing because the exorcism was happening in the first place, and amusing because all the way through I could hear my mother’s voice in my mind tearing their technique to shreds. I think she would be more disturbed by that vid than I am.
I actually went over to YouTube to leave a comment about this, detailing what my mother would say if she saw it, but they’ve disabled comments for that video.
There are so few left who remember ol’ brother Oral Roberts in the days when he and Rev. Rex Humbard went around throughout the backwaters of the country holding revivals and slamming people down on the floors and such talking about demons and redemption.
I am sure we all agree he would be proud of these modern day charlatans.
Religion screws people up period. Everyone in that room is a victim, even the perpetrators. I think this is disgusting.
These are the hearts and minds we need to win over for equality? Very scary indeed.
The SCLC needs to call these fuckers out to repent. They are the pig’s head in the Holy of Holies and shame, shame, shame on them for not “getting it”. I am so ashamed of these morons, on every possible level. They wouldn’t know Jesus if he jumped up and bit them on their big butts.
hahahaha, he should drop these religious freaks and become a dancer. Those moves were incredible. He would give these bitches a run for their money:
Queerty, is this footage from The United Trinity Church Of Christ?
Uh, that would NEVER be from a United Church of Christ…
A Pentecostal church, yes, but I can’t see this at work; I have to wait until I get home.
Baby, you would never win over the minds of THESE particular church goers.
Heart by heart.
Mind by mind. 😉
@Chitown Kev: Are you sure it is not United Trinity in Chicago?
Both videos have been taken down.
Uh, read the article, the church is in Connecticut.
Trinity UCC is a very pro-gay church and not an evangelical church at all. You are baiting the issue and you aren’t even in a position to know (whereas I am, read my name).
I personally know a same sex couple that was married at Trinity.
My back’s killing me, so maybe it’s haunted. I’d call TAPS first, because there’s something more sincere about an overweight bearded man in his fifties living with his mother who believes in ghosts than these hucksters.
@Chitown Kev: If Trinity is the church Obama attended in Chicago, and they approve of marriage equality, where did he come up with his opposition to it? Just out of convenience?
Too bad the videos have been pulled; watch this instead. Hilarious.
Trinity is an exception to the rule as far as churches in black communities, please remember that. It’s affiliated with the United Church of Christ-a pro-marriage equality denomination.
The when is sometime between 1996-2004. I’d have to do more research than queerty pays me for (LOL) to pin down a precise date.
WCT: Do you have a position on marriage vs. civil unions?
Obama: I am a fierce supporter of domestic-partnership and civil-union laws. I am not a supporter of gay marriage as it has been thrown about, primarily just as a strategic issue. I think that marriage, in the minds of a lot of voters, has a religious connotation. I know that’s true in the African-American community, for example. And if you asked people, ‘should gay and lesbian people have the same rights to transfer property, and visit hospitals, and et cetera,’ they would say, ‘absolutely.’ And then if you talk about, ‘should they get married?’, then suddenly …
WCT: There are more than 1,000 federal benefits that come with marriage. Looking back in the 1960s and inter-racial marriage, the polls showed people against that as well.
Obama: Since I’m a product of an interracial marriage, I’m very keenly aware of …
WCT: But you think, strategically, gay marriage isn’t going to happen so you won’t support it at this time?
Obama: What I’m saying is that strategically, I think we can get civil unions passed. I think we can get SB 101 passed. I think that to the extent that we can get the rights, I’m less concerned about the name. And I think that is my No. 1 priority, is an environment in which the Republicans are going to use a particular language that has all sorts of connotations in the broader culture as a wedge issue, to prevent us moving forward, in securing those rights, then I don’t want to play their game.
WCT: One of the things that supporters of the state gay-rights bill have been saying is that some of the supporters of certain Senate candidates, yourself included, were not coming out full force for the Senate bill this time. Do you feel there’s a litmus test for people whose supporters aren’t fully 100%?
Obama: You raise an important point. Although your initial question was whether there’s been a backlash against me, I see none of that within the Democratic Party. I think there are still geographical differences in terms of attitude toward gay and lesbian issues. I think downstate, there is a difference. On the Southwest Side, the Northwest Side of Chicago, where the Catholic Church is still a significant institution, there is a difference. And, to a certain extent, within the African-American community, because of the strong affiliation with the church, there is still some resistance.
Nothing about “Gawd in the Mix” there.
And can we not turn this into an Obama thread, please? This was a thread about churches and exocising demons.
I grew up evangelical, too. (and the 2nd time I’ve invoked that fact on a thread today…weird) Thing is, the “demoniac” guy is as much a participant in this little theater act as the “prophetess” and her propheteers. He’s playing along.
Unfortunately they’ve taken the vid down before I could view it, but I understand that he vomited into a hefty-bag? It’s a common belief in these circles that vomiting and/or coughing/gagging/spitting/whatever is symbolic of expelling the demon out of you. Belief is powerful…and sadly our homo-demoniac guy is as duped into this particularly odd belief system as everyone else in the room. To him, it’s real. And when he got up off the floor, he probably truly, honestly believed a gay demon had been expunged from him and he was now heterosexual.
Next Sunday: Washing off the blackness. ….With acid.
This happened to me years ago. They forcibly took me from my house to the church. Its was horrific, but in retrospect, laughable. It obviously doesn’t work. (look at me!)
Same here. Only I wasn’t really forced into it physically…just strongly coerced. And everything I said above…I was speaking from personal experience. Looking back, it’s laughable (like you said) and a little embarrassing, but at that young and impressionable age it was all very real. I even “gagged”, because I knew that was what I was suppose to do. *sigh* 🙁
Just more proof that stoopid (and brainwashed) comes in all colors, and happens in all states and countries…this thread has been thankfully free of racist charges, because what these morons are doing is coming from the same motivation as white “serpent wranglers” (snake dancers) in West Virginia, or in more extreme examples, the Muslim torturers of gay Iraqis. (or some the rabid homophobic rabbis in Israel.)
Namely, these people are trapped in a rigid ideology where reason, logic, and independent thought are not tolerated. Obedience, and submission to the approved dogma are all that matter.
I don’t know how to solve this, but i do know that all the discussions about “are blacks/muslims/fundies more homophobic than some other comparative group” are not productive. It is the entire system of rigid belief which must be dismantled…fundamentalism in all it’s forms is our true enemy, not “this group or that group”, this ethnicity or that.
If I’m a demon I want my motherfucking fireballs.
“Dragon Slave muthafucka.”
Shoot, the video was removed! Why would they do that when they they are sure they can remove the gay demon (who I hear is very fashionable and only wears Prada)? They ought to advertise their “claim” with a hot, black preacher, and not these fugly bitches. I, and many “possessed” gays, would love to writhe under a built like a shit house, melts-in-your-mouth, chocolate preacher. We don’t want the torture though. Unless he is the daddy and we are the bad, bad boys.
what a random comment. being the PC police is just as bad as being the ignorant rabble-rouser.
Light bulb: YOU’re obsessed with race(which is why all posts on this site somehow desolve into racist charges). you should go speak to someone about that. alone.
perhaps you have a race-obsessed demon inside you trying to get out?!!!
the “demoniac” guy is as much a participant in this little theater act as the “prophetess” and her propheteers. He’s playing along.–drresol
Propheteers or profiteers?
To him, it’s real. And when he got up off the floor, he probably truly, honestly believed a gay demon had been expunged from him and he was now heterosexual. – drresol
And that is where their method of exorcisms and the type I grew up with conflict, and this in itself is a problem for us. You see, my mother would believe that the moment that guy stops shaking the demon will be straight back inside him and he’ll still be feeling teh gayness (which, rather obviously, will be the case). My mother would say that to properly exorcise him you need to end the demon’s right to occupy the guy’s soul, and that the histrionics are caused by the demon fighting to stay where it has a right to be, so if the demon’s right to be there was taken away before it was cast out it would go quietly. So she’d take his continued gayness as confirmation that she’s right and the wingnuts in the video are wrong – because in her eyes the exorcism wasn’t done properly.
To be fair though, the method of exorcism my mother uses is as radically different from the one in those videos as chalk from cheese and can actually be very useful in most situations. It’s a lot more like a guided meditation, and very similar to Quaker mediation, so it is highly effective at dealing with deep-rooted personal problems like alcoholism. My only issue is (for obvious reasons) the use of it to try to “cure” queerness, though to date my mother has never had any success there. I mean, look at me – I’m still bent as a nine bob note!
such a sad pathetic joke are these two….
Gawd. Talk about demons. I am away from this blog for over a week and Dennis is rambling about “racist this” and “racist that”. Dennis up your meds. Seriously.
Please note the high level of homophobia within the black community.
Could someone please repost these videos!
uh, in the spewcific instance of these videos, you may want to go check out Sarah Palin’s church and here beliefs, they are about the same. And Bobby Jindal has conducted exorcisms. Go to any just about any Pentecostal church in the South (and a few evangelical church for that matter) and you will find something like this.
Regardless of the race of the community.
uh, in the specific instance of these videos, you may want to go check out Sarah Palin’s church and her beliefs, they are about the same.
And Bobby Jindal has conducted exorcisms.
Go to any just about any Pentecostal church in the South (and a few evangelical churches for that matter) and you will find something like this.
Regardless of the race of the community.
@ JASON: And homophobia is low among whites? Unless you are a closet case, I know the KKK won’t allow you in among their group. So where do you get your convulated statistics from? Ever hear of Bill O’Reily and his supporters? What about a motherfucker named Pat Robertson and his hateful hell bound flock? Oh, and what about Fred Phelps and his silent white partners in crime? Do you think he would be able to monetarily support his hate-filled trips, all across this country, if he was such a fringe church?
Disagree that I’m overtly racist, if you have evidence of such, via a prior post of mine, please provide or kindly STFU.
I was trying to acknowledge the fact that this was one thread featuring AA’s that DIDN’T decend into charges of racism… If my post was misunderstood, I apologize…not my intention.
Understood perfectly well by me!
Absolutely. Those are great cases for homophobia in the religious community and amongst whites.
But, there is a higher degree of homophobia amongst black democrats than non-black democrats, and I think it’s because of an increase in religiosity, which also maintain sexist gender norms. I also think that it indicates that there’s a higher level of homophobia in the black community than in the non-black community–on average. There are groups that tie and exceed the black community per capita, too (white christian evangelicals, for example). But it’s a pretty significant problem, and one that can’t just be explained as no better nor worse than homophobia in any other demographic.
Not in the South, by and large, where religion permeates the culture.
Nor in the Midwest.
Now if you were relating this to more liberal areas of the country, say, California or (as this post does) Connecticut than I might agree with you.
And still, what can the homophobia in the black community do to you? What power does it have over you that “white” homophobia doesn’t? It’s the power to oppress you that’s the key.
Mind you, I ask the same questions to black people. What power does the gay community have over you? Neither community has much power, really, in the scheme of things.
“But, there is a higher degree of homophobia amongst black democrats than non-black democrats, and I think it’s because of an increase in religiosity, which also maintain sexist gender norms.”
Now this, I will agree with you.
And in the southern states, whites are more likely to be christers and conservative republicans and antigay. Which explains the narrowing of the gap, and comparison between socially conservative republicans (the vast majority of whom are white) and black democrats on this issue.
But this statistical generalization applies overall, not in specific areas of the country. Hence localized groups (white evangelicals) can be worse or just as bigoted in their sentiments on this issue.
and in any event, it’s very revealing about the democratic party itself and just how far it has to go…only when contrasted to out and out bigots do they appear progressive. No gay person should vote party–interest, not party…with respect to rights. Unfortunately, that’s not the reality…and can’t be given simple plurality voting schemes and how that plays out in determining two party systems….but that’s a changin’ given that the opposition party can only fuck up.
I’ve always been an independent. I usually vote dem, yes, but not always.
But I thought that we were not degrading into a discussion on this but still…answer the question, what power does it (“black homophobia”) have over you?
Well, we certainly can’t lay the blame on the black community for the passage of prop 8 in california, but we can say that they contributed just like the whites and hispanics who voted. In that regard, it has the power (along with white homophobia) to rob me (qua gay) of potential rights. I don’t live in CA (thank god…not cali people…like what woody allen had to say about them), and even if it were legalized nationwide, would never consider the option for myself; but that it should be an option is the point. We can’t say the same about the gay community’s power to contribute to stripping black people qua black people of their rights.
Of course you can say that.
I would even go further and say that I could never see gay people voting like that on black people’s rights EVEN IF THEY HAD THE POWER TO DO SO.
The important thing is they were all straight people (other than the 4% of gays who voted yes on Prop 8 in California, wtf!). And, for the most part, there is no shame that straight people have at their homobigotry.
I would even go further and say that I could never see gay people voting like that on black people’s rights EVEN IF THEY HAD THE POWER TO DO SO.
Yes. I would hope not.
Not even reading all of these comments because you people just say the same things over and over, but:
You do realize gay people existed during the time when blacks in America had no rights…right? You do realize there were closeted gay American citizens during this time period who contributed to taking away the rights of black Americans who were living in this country both during and after slavery…right? So yes anyone with a brain can say gays contributed to the stripping of rights of black people.
I’m so sick of this faceless “gay community” argument. Considering the fact that anyone of any race can be gay and considering the fact that a vast majority of gay people worldwide are not a part of the “gay community” there’s no reason to toss it around. The only people in the “gay community” are the unified few who actively create said community. The rest of us are not in said community just because we’re gay.
The same can be said about every other “community” argument. There is no “white community”, “black community”, etc, etc.
My skin is light brown, I’m not a part of any “black community”, I’ve never attended a “black community” meeting, and I’ve never voted on any “black community” issues.
I’m American and that’s about the only community I’m a part of because I’m surrounded by other Americans daily.
Stop lumping people into bullshit groups.
Okay, I just skimmed this…not a whole lot addressing what I wrote.
@TANK: That’s what you get for skimming.
I already know debating with you is like banging my head against a brick wall so I won’t try. 🙂
And that does sound about right in theory–that there are a lot of differences that aren’t captured in the oppressor/oppressed minority/majority trait defined community in group/out group dynamics–but politically in terms of a rights based movement and how people are actually treated…communities exist just as sure as bigotry is alive and thriving.
Those people should do less exorcising and more exercising. I’m just sayin’,
I disagree, though I would say that there is only a “black community” to the extent that said community resists racism. I would say the same thing about the “Irish-American” community, the “Italian American” community, the “Arab American” community etc.
And nowadays, yes, there is a discernable “gay community” to the extent that of said community’s resistance to homophobia.
The videos were removed….*le sigh*
Boo stop with the debating some of these girls. Out of the many videos of these that are around. Queerty chose to use one with The AA Community starring in it not surprised at that. You know the drill. This has been going on since their #1 candidate H.R.C did not make the cut.I’m so over them for this Bullshit.
Homophobia is Homophobia and every race,creed,and color practices it. There is no well this group does it more than this group. This is ridiculous!
Enough is Enough…
We need to Fight HOMOPHOBIA!
Video has been removed by user.
@GBM: Perhaps I am a victim of Queerty media because the strongest opposition of equal rights is in fact the AAs. Can you enlighten us with videos of white religious leaders outside of the crazy Westboro Baptist Church who are so strongly opposed?
@InExile: We don’t need to win them over we can win everyone else over then send them to prison for their stupidity.
@Bitch, Please: You would be surprised what you can accomplish on a budget in a 1000 member church. However, 1000 members in a church is still small enough to make it a fringe church versus all other religious organizations. So, yes Fred Phelps has a larger congregation, but its still a fringe church.
It is also possible to exorcise some one of their Blackness http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ya2qguoEKY4&feature=related
They removed it– must eithere be ashamed or realize they are WRONG
They have closed their youtube account. Wonder why they are hiding… In any case, this user mirrored the videos.
If this makes you ill inside, call them.
Patricia and Kelvin Mckinney
Manifested Glory Ministries Bridgeport Conn.
Kelvin Mckinney: [email protected]
Apostle??? Patricia Mckinney:
Doing a bit more research on these “people” I found that Patricia had a holy vision, as Prophets often do, with naked people and string and all…
So now I see these are Prophets and Apostles of God. I guess theyre right to do whatever God tells them to do. Because, you know, its sanctioned by God Himself.
It seemed God also told them to skip high school English class. Because Damn! Just try to read those prophecies.
I feel sick, i wanna throw up. God damn how freakin crazy are these people. This is why i dont go to church.
@Chitown Kev: WOW mariied in a church, and homosexuality is an abomination to GOD, some preacher and his board of elders will be needing some spf 1000000, when they pass from this life.
Thats good out with the gay demon so he not has to go to hell. They are doing him a big favor.
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