If there was any confusion left about the great progressive Pope Francis, consider this: The Vatican has confirmed that Francis met with Kim Davis, summoning her to Washington, D.C. where he gave her a hug and thanked her for her “courage.”
Later that day his holiness told a reporter that, “conscientious objection is a right, even for government officials,” publicly legitimizing Davis’ saga.
“He told me, before he left, he said ‘stay strong,'” Davis recounted to ABC News, “and that was a great encouragement just knowing that the Pope is on track with what we’re doing, and agreeing. It kind of validates everything.”
Francis left her with rosary and a “renewed commitment to her cause.” So the next time you feel fed up with the little county clerk that could, you can write a postcard to the Vatican to express your gratitude.
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“I’ve weighed the cost and I’m prepared to do whatever it takes, even jail,” she continued. “It’s still the same battle, we just have some more fighting with us now.”
And while Francis was immediately whisked off to foreign lands, the rest of us are stuck here with a reenergized Davis. Thanks, Pope. Thanks.
This is the same Pope who previously said, “If a homosexual person is of good will and is in search of God, I am no one to judge…it is not right to interfere spiritually in the life of a person.”
Related: Pope Francis Makes Dimwitted Statement About The Sanctity Of Marriage, Angers Gay Catholics
Faith standing up to man’s law is nothing new — Sophocles’ 2500-year-old Antigone comes to mind first, well before that whole Jesus story was invented. To brush up your eleventh grade English class, Antigone defies the king’s law in order to pursue a respectable burial for her brother, who the state considered a traitor.
The difference, of course, is Antigone’s motivation is rooted in love. She favors the will of the gods (whatever that is) over the law of man in order to honor her brother, not to dishonor the love of couples seeking recognition like Davis. And — spoiler alert — it doesn’t end so well for Antigone.
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What will Davis have to say when she looks back on this ordeal ten years from now? Where’s the honor?
“I met the pope once, kids, and he told me I should keep discriminating against the gays.”
Sidney Davies
The pope threw away all his good will when he met with her. The pope is a huge joke.
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Official Schedule For Pope Francisâ?? Visit to U.S.
Pope Francis Visits Washington D.C.
Tuesday, September 22, 2015
4pm: Pope Francis arrives in D.C. at Joint Base Andrews at 4 p.m. LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
Wednesday, September 23, 2015
9:15 a.m: White House Welcoming Ceremony and personal meeting with President Barack Obama LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11:00 a.m. Papal Parade along the Ellipse and the National Mall LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11:30 a.m: Midday Prayer with U.S. bishops at Saint Matthewâ??s Cathedral in D.C. LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
4:15 p.m: Junipero Serra Canonization Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception LEARN MORE + WATCH
Thursday, September 24, 2015
9:20 a.m: Arrival at Capitol
10 a.m. Speech to the Senate and House of Representatives (Joint Session of Congress) LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11 a.m. Brief appearance on West Front of Capitol LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11:15 a.m: Visit to St. Patrickâ??s Catholic Church in D.C. and Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Washington LEARN MORE + WATCH
4 p.m: Departure for New York from Joint Base Andrews (D.C.) LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
5 p.m. Arrival at John F. Kennedy International Airport (New York) LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
6:45 p.m. Evening prayer at St. Patrickâ??s Cathedral (New York) LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
Pope Francis Visits New York
Friday, September 25, 2015
8:30 a.m United Nations General-Assembly LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11:30 a.m Multi-religious service at 9/11 Memorial and Museum, World Trade Center LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
4 p.m. Visit to Our Lady Queen of Angels School in East Harlem LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
5 p.m. Papal motorcade through Central Park LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
6 p.m. Madison Square Garden Mass LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
Pope Francis Visits Philadelphia
Saturday, September 26, 2015
8:40 a.m Departure for Philadelphia from John F. Kennedy International Airport LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
9:30 a.m Arrival in Atlantic Aviation hangar at Philadelphia International Airport Philadelphia LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
10:30 a.m Mass at Cathedral Basilica of Sts. Peter and Paul LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
4:45 p.m Visit to Independence Mall LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
7:30 p.m Visit to Festival of Families at Benjamin Franklin Parkway and Prayer Vigil with World Meeting of Families LEARN MORE + WATCH
Sunday, September 27, 2015
9:15 a.m Papal meeting with Bishops at St. Martinâ??s Chapel, St. Charles Borromeo Seminary LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
11 a.m Visit to Curran-Fromhold Correctional Facility LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
4 p.m Papal Mass for World Meeting of Families LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
7 p.m. Visit with organizers, volunteers and benefactors of the World Meeting of Families at Atlantic Aviation LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
8 p.m Departure for return to Rome LEARN MORE + WATCH LIVE
John Autore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjrBjdb2T8
John Autore
Bisexual-Transwoman
I’m not surprised. This papa is like all the rest and not for LGBT rights. But it is amusing how LGBT people and allies, and the media have been claiming he’s so ‘progressive’.
Mikey Trapp
Wow, this must be a first. The Pope actually said something republicans can agree with.
spiffy
Did I miss it somehow that Kim Davis is Catholic? What is a non-Catholic doing meeting the Il Papa?
Billy Budd
I hate him. He is a disgusting creature. They were the leaders of the world for 1000 years and only brought underdevelopment, religious persecution, assassinations, torture and unhappiness to everyone. Just read it in the history books. The middle ages and the inquisition.
Hugo Ares
this is the image that the “pope” has in his own country – related with xenophobia, transphobic discrimination, etc. and dubious relationship with the military dictatorship in Argentina.
Chris Vogel
And why not? Apparently, they both consider that you can get a government job and then refuse to work on the basis of some dingbat “belief”.
Skot Skotnicki
Why is anyone surprised? These folks know God personally!! Idiots!!!!
Tony Chaplinski
right to bigotry and hate——–I think not
Sansacro
Neither this guy, nor the church, is our friend. Unfortunately, too many straight Catholics want a more socially progressive church, so he’s speaking to them through elision. He’s one shrewd dude.
The Tower of Power
@spiffy: The pope is Catholic, but you don’t need to be Catholic to admire and respect him. Just like you don’t need to be as Buddhist to admire the Dalai Lama.
Luis H. Lopez
I hope he did an exorcist ritual on that fat demon !
alanh1249
ROFL LOL LOL LOL
and I have a Bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya.
If she actually did, the news would be all over it. Especially the Morehead News.
Her next stop is to meet the masses that turned out in Peru.
Give a a break
alanh1249
@alanh1249:
Show me the pics or video
Michael Demeule-Calella
conscientous objection is normally used when not wanting to harm human beings..so this twisted use of it really goes beyond decent boundaries.
Sandy McLendon
Well, there goes my favorable impression of THAT Papal visit.
Don Trinh
http://papalvisit.americamedia.org/2015/09/30/the-pope-and-kim-davis-seven-points-to-keep-in-mind/
patricklee5150
Not confirmed…the only person who confirmed this alleged meeting is Kim Davis’ lawyer….I don’t believe anything either of them say. The Pope was asked about the Davis case just before he left the US and he said he didn’t know who she is….I don’t believe he would lie.
pjm1
Though I hoped for better from this pope it comes as no
surprise.
During Francis’s time in D.C. last week, he also made a saint of Junipero Serra, who, unbelievably,
ran the Inquisition’s in “New Spain” and according to historians was responsible for the
premature deaths of thousands of Native Americans and also believed and enforced beatings
and whippings.
So, it is no stretch that the pope, in addition to his adoration of Serra, promotes discrimination.
David Quirk
so ironic considering the popes views on divorce
pjm1
@patricklee5150: it has been confirmed
and is all over, including the front page of the New York Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
thomas prentice
DESPICABLE. This Pope is only >>>>> REBRANDING <<<<< the RCC/Vatican, that is all…
russellhm
@spiffy: Both her parents were Catholic, according to her comments in this morning’s NYTimes. She is an Apostolic Troll, er Christian, some tiny sect of weirdos. Still, the pope’s secrecy in meeting her–at the Vatican Embassy no less, before his address to the Congress, makes him lose face. Progressive? Wrong! Shill? Yes!
Juanjo
The last word I saw in the media was that the Vatican had refused to confirm or deny any such meeting took place. I would like to see the confirmation of this claim other than the one coming from right wing sources like her attorney who has already been caught in lies.
eidolonnyc
It is unbelievable that he would do that. I am reeling. It completely undoes all of the goodwill he was starting to build. This woman isn’t even a Catholic, and he goes out of his way to give her the validation of a private meeting? Why? He has been so politically astute. This is beyond hurtful and upsetting. “Who am I to judge,” he said, then gives rosaries to a vindictive judger.
skipvanpelt
I call BS on this. There’s no way this happened. Davis grows more desperate and delusional with each passing day.
Avery Alvarez
And yet there are STILL some gays who want to put kind words and good intentions in the Pope’s filthy mouth. There are STILL some gays who want to do PR for him and twist every ugly lie he says into something positive.
The Pope did to Liberal Catholics what Donald Trump is doing for Republicans.
He is telling a crowd of fools whatever lie they want to hear, even though the Catholic church is degenerate as ever, no matter how untrue or incredibly unlikely to happen, so that they’ll follow him, and it worked like a charm.
Darryl Cummings
That’s a fight we can fight against.
Sand Nierenberg
Sick of her hillbilly ass and who cares what some old man pope says
Jim Guinnessey
Don’t believe this Far Right planted story. The devil would have more of a chance meeting this Pope than crazy Kim Davis. Pure bullshit meant to show this Pope is an anti-gay cleric. Vatican confirms the story? Ha, ha, don’t believe it!
aliengod
@patricklee5150: I think the Vatican confirmed it today. That still doesn’t mean much though. His handlers paraded dozens of people in front of him for a few seconds of small talk. He may have not even had a clue who she was. Overall, the message of Pope Francis has been positive. I’m not sure why it’s any surprise the Pope isn’t accepting of gay marriage. This isn’t big news. I just refuse to label him a bad man simply because we disagree on one small issue. Regardless of how he feels, marriage is and will continue to be legal in the USA. His opinion is just that, his opinion. This is such a non-issue.
NYtoSF
I still don’t care what any cult would say. It doesn’t belong in the constitution. Hell, he blessed a saint that used to beat Native Americans.
Why don’t you go hang out with your child sex offenders ? Words of a man are just words. God made gay community . They come in Catholic faith. Gods will gave them the strength to stand up for love . In reality the only so called sin is to turn away people from god or not believe. Horns on Davis . There are heart surgeons, brain surgeons & military that are gay. I don’t see a god putting that kind of life saving intelligence in the hands of people that don’t deserve MORE than a slut.
Ladbrook
@eidolonnyc: Why is this so hard to believe??? The pope is the head of the Catholic Church, and the Catholic Church is staunchly opposed to S-S marriage and just about any other policy granting the LGBT community civil equality. The pope is the VOICE of the church and the church’s policies. He was simply acknowledging the “good work” of his “ally” Kim Davis… and others like her.
The shock that some have expressed over all of this leaves me gobsmacked. I mean, seriously, what did you expect? For the pope to wander into St Patrick’s and perform a same-sex wedding????
alanh1249
@patricklee5150:
Thank you for clarifying that.
All the news sources that came out a couple pf days ago quoted Davis’ Lawyers as the source. Cliche: Consider the source. The same source as the Peru gathering
Faggot
@patricklee5150:
http://m.snopes.com/pope-francis-kim-davis/
Snopes confirms it!
Johnny Mulkerrin
The Pope is not American….We are talking about our countrys laws not the Catholic churches.
crowebobby
And if he did say that, that’s fine. She should follow her conscience by quitting her job so she doesn’t have to grant licenses to same sex couples. Surely, sacrificing $80,000 a year isn’t too much for one who knows and loves Jesus.
David Fisher
Not suprised All these cults do is talk about what they think GOD wants , and talk about what needsto be fixed in someone eleses back yard. And the cathlic church were the first Politicians, and according to Mark Twain (Author) â?? â??Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason.â??
SteveDenver
Kim Davis’ Apostolic Cult does not recognize Catholicism as legitimate. What a couple of pinheads.
Kirk Montrealer
OK PEOPLE OK. I am gay dude. And first off, THE POPE does not speak English. He is not online GOOGLING persons he is going to meet. He is told by his people odds and ends about whomever. He met privately with victims of sexual abuse and pretty much told everyone to ‘STAY STRONG’. I don’t think he knew anything about Kim Davis- His people could have told him you are meeting an abused woman so he says the same dialogue he says to all ‘victims’ (not knowing Kim Davis is her own worst enemy) , ‘STAY STRONG’ ….We don’t know what went down or what he knew. THE POPE meet thousands..he does not get a full bio on everyone and sits down to read about everyone he is going to meet. AND if you believe GOD/ JESUS loves all including SINNERS..WHICH ALL !!!!!!!! OF US !!!!!!! ARE SINNERS !!!!! THEN THE POPE IS JUST DOING WHAT HE IS PUT ON THE EARTH TO DO, DON’T CAST JUDGEMENT AND LOVE ALL. But again, I don’t think he knew who Kim Davis was anymore than I would know anything about any of you.
DuMaurier
@Billy Budd:
The long history of the Catholic Church certainly includes the horrors you cite, but (like anything in ‘real life’) the record is a bit more mixed. For centuries the Church was the only institution providing education, social services and the possibility of upward social mobility in class-stratified societies that spent all their money on war and royal luxury (not to mention its irreplaceable contributions to the arts and culture with its subsidization of great artists,architects, etc, and preserving ancient–read: pagan–texts)
That aside, I have to agree with those who are asking why anyone’s shocked by this. That insignificant “Who am I to judge?” seems to have gone a ridiculously long way, judging by the polls and online comments from people who, mystifyingly and with absolutely no evidence to support it, to making people think the Pope was on the verge of changing Catholic doctrine on homosexuality and personally presiding over same-sex marriages.
Doug
I find it disturbing that this was kept a big secret. For what reason? It goes to show, once again, that the Catholic Church covers things up they don’t want the public to know.
Ms. Davis is not a Catholic, why is she getting a private meeting with the Pope? There were many, many Catholics who would have given up a lot to meet with him, but he chose Kim Davis? I liked this Pope, but am getting uncomfortsable vibes about him now, just like the other clergy in the Catholic church.
Bisexual-Transwoman
@Doug: It’s no longer a secret; but it’s odd how out of everyone in the United States he could have met this pope met with the clerk from Kentucky.
Darrin Jones
I think we should deluge the Vatican with mail. Old school snail mail. And give him a piece of our mind. We are queer, and are not going to take any more religious bullshit. We are God’s children made in his image. I would slap that dumb bitch if I see her.
Frank Croix
I’m tired about hearing about both of them.
TampaBayTed
The pope just dropped about 50 points on my scale of 100.
Joseph Davoli
good papa did a “bad “
Nahald
Will these two stop at nothing ? The Pope only saw heads of state on this trip ! So we can add LIAR to the list of HER “Christian” values !
With the way the Pope was watched by reporters etc 24/7, I’m sure she would have been seen if she had a “secret” meeting. She claims to have pictures, but will not have them for several days. I guess it takes that long to fake them.
Bobby Walker
She keeps extending her 15 minutes with help from her publicity agents the Liberty Council.
Joe Wilborn
Did they talk about her 4 weddings!!!!???
Nahald
@alanh1249: With the way the Pope was watched by reporters etc 24/7, I’m sure she would have been seen if she had a “secret” meeting. She claims to have pictures, but will not have them for several days. I guess it takes that long to fake them.
Nahald
@Faggot: And you believe EVERYTHING on snopes ? I also have a bridge I can sell to you…CHEAP !
Mic Bossler
This is such BS
ass eater
did he tell her to fight the good fight to keep from marrying so many times. I guess if you’re anti gay, god doesn’t see your sins.
TampaBayTed
@russellhm: The rosaries the Pope allegedly gave the adulterous couple were posted by her Liberty Konsul lawyers…one black, one white. Was the adulterous Kim baptized as a Catholic? Were her parents lapsed Catholics? Both the pope and the fundies have the concept of conscientious objector all wrong. But then they can think or believe any myth they choose.
TomMc
This has been painful. Yesterday I penned something about the fact that there were actually two popes – one less rightwing than the emeritus one. Today I should write something else.
Travis
Very doubtful that this story is true, regardless of what American media outlets are leading you to believe. Are you really going to believe everything the Vatican wants you to believe? Regardless of fact or fallacy, does it really matter what he said to her and what she does now? Does it REEAALLYY matter?
Are you a practicing Catholic? Do you live in that one, small county in Kentucky? Are you a practicing Catholic living in that one, small county in Kentucky looking for a marriage license anytime soon? Oh, you aren’t? Then absolutely none of this applies to you.
The legality of same-sex marriages has been established in this country and no religious institution is going to take that away. Are people still going to disagree with it? You bet. Do they have a right to disagree? Yes, b/c the constitution guarantees it. Freedom works in every direction, not just the direction YOU prefer. BUT, do they impact you? No.
Stop giving them power they no longer possess.
JSD
Who cares. She lost. #whereisthedog
Desert Boy
This means any hope by Papa Francisco and the Vatican to open the door to lapsed and future Catholics was a big fucking waste of time. Stay the hell out of America, you cretin. You’ve done enough damage.
Gary Hecklinger
Sure!! Just don’t break the law 🙂
Beatrice Ruka Baccellieri
Man, I hate this hypocrite dressed in white! Why do people believe him?
Transiteer
Well, well. The Head Catholic showed he’s really a staunch Catholic. Proof what religion is really useful for, now and way back when: espousing hate and promoting violence towards those you don’t like to enrich yourself and your power. It’s why the Catholics and the Bible were invented by the Roman Public Works Dept – to control the masses, calm down those pesky messianic Jews and stop more expensive wars. Did it work? Yup, like a charm. Unfortunately, it keeps people turning on each other.
Sorry, Francis, you’re Act is betrayed.
animaux
He refused to meet an LGBT homeless youth organisation (the one to which Roland Emmerich dedicated a movie which everyone rejected), he refused to meet any LGBT Catholic organisation. Yet, he had time for Kim Davis.
Many of us were not surprised. I believed it happened from the beginning. I was just thinking logically. Even they would know that they wouldn’t be able to get away with such a big lie.
Also, I have been following alternative news sources which did not gloss over the uncomfortable moments during the visit. I knew he demanded they remove LGBT guests from the White House guest list. I heard his speech on “families” and his speech on “lifestyles” and his reply about “conscientious objection”. I knew that in February he sponsored an anti gay-rights referendum in Slovakia. I knew that he stated on several occasions that there were satanic forces (gays) behind the SSM movement. I knew he met right-wing fringe homophobes from France and that he rejected a French ambasador because he was gay. I also knew that he compared being transgender to nuclear weapons and that his “who am I to judge” statement was badly distorted and taken out of context. I was simply paying attention.
Robbie Morgan
One step forward and two steps back
licomedes
Well, some things that are necessary to be considered:
http://papalvisit.americamedia.org/2015/09/30/the-pope-and-kim-davis-seven-points-to-keep-in-mind/
Raymond Nicolai-Vargas
BRYANinSF
Evidently, Kim and the Pope — and all the others who espouse discrimination as part of their faith — believe equality is a sin.
Sameer Nurani
STOP GIVING POPE SO MUCH OF ENERGY. HE IS STILL A MAN. NOT HIGHER POWER OR GOD.
Curty
Sneaky snakes just like they try to cover up the child sex abuse. They all should be in prison including pope for covering up sex abuse and not doing enough to stop. Yup, I said it jail the pope for knowingly harboring sex offenders. Despite his so called soften language his views on gay rights and glbt community as a whole has been clear. This pope may pay attention to poor and inmates and climate change but his evolving has not caught up to the glbt community and its disappointing but not surprising.
Curty
So the pope calls for the death penalty for vicious murderers but believes gays should be discriminated against? What a backwards position kind of shit is that?! Fuck the church and this Pope’s odd and hypocritical views. Fuck him.
Tommy
Dear Pope Frances,
It’s time to call a spade a spade. You and me really aren’t getting back together are we? I have ignored so many things over the years, swallowing my pride and making excuses…all the while ignoring what was obvious to so many other people. You are just not that into me.
Sneaking around and privately seeing Kim Davis though…that took me by surprise. I don’t care if it was only fifteen minutes…you made time for her, which is more then you have done for me.
People had tried to warn me. Well meaning people who I chalked up to meddlers that just didn’t understand what we had. How could they? How many people can say they met that someone special when they were in middle school? Still, the longer the relationship, the more likely those small cracks will become crevices and you eventually have to face the truth. He’s never going to take you back…he’s just not that into you. It doesn’t mean the two of you can’t be friends, you know, behind the scenes…where no one can see…but fate and circumstances are just never going to allow you to have what you used to have with that person or the religious institution they are the spiritual leader of.
It’s the other woman that really bothers me though. It’s natural to see that person someone has seen behind your back as less then you…to judge them. That’s human…but Kim Davis? I can see why you snuck around to see her. She’s no prize. Like any piece of trash though, she couldn’t keep her mouth shut about what the two of you shared. Anyone could have seen that coming…except you I guess…always thinking with your papal pastoral staff. Would you have even admitted to seeing her if she hadn’t opened her big mouth? I have so many reasons to hate her, not the least of which is now, thanks to her, you are one degree separated from Mike Huckabee. Yeah, that’s right…when you’ve been with her you have been with everyone else she has been with.
I made so many excuses for you not wanting to be seen as getting close to me again. “It’s his colleagues” I’d explain “he has to ease them into the two of us getting back together.” On paper it seemed like I was right. We had come a long way. Then I had to go and post how proud you made me on Facebook a few days ago. It was a lapse in judgement, I can admit that. Seeing you on tv though made me nostalgic for our early days, and I missed you, and I was proud of you.
Did you have to give her a rosary though? Granted, Pope Pius XII gave Eva Peron a rosary, so I guess it could be argued that it doesn’t mean much, but did you think I wouldn’t like a rosary? I actually know what it’s for, does she? Also, Kim Davis is no Eva Peron, for many reasons, not the least of which is her lack of style.
She may seem exciting to you now, but I promise it won’t last. These sort of tawdry affairs lose their luster very quickly. She’s going to get a lot more out of those fifteen minutes with you then you did with her.
I don’t hate you though. I want to, but I can’t. I was foolish and naive, but I’ll never regret chasing you. There is no shame in wanting to get back what we had. The thing is, I have to accept that what we had may have been one sided all along. That’s a tough pill to swallow.
I fully expect that you will try to woo me again in your quiet, non committed way. Don’t bother. I can be Catholic without you. I’ll be a different sort of Catholic…one that tries to live a good life, and forgives people their trespasses…although no offense, but it’s going to be a while with you and me. I may not hate you, but I’m still very, very pissed.
Sincerely,
Tommy
Charlie Gainey
Is this bitch even Catholic?
Khristian Hipolito Mariano
#FAIL
April Boucher
What a bunch of crap. She’s an idiot and the Catholic Church is a disgrace.
Bob Pattinson
The Pope believes that people with an imaginary friend are exempt from observing the law of the land.
OhHellNo
Then he met with the priest and said to keep fighting if those altar boys try to get out a window.
OhHellNo
@Tommy: I doubt Francis would date you, anyway, if he got a letter from you addressed to “Frances”.
Lee Rowell
Well, he just lost ALL credibility.
OhHellNo
@Travis: The story is indeed true: hence the word “confirmed”. It’s on nearly every major agency’s blog, as verified by the Vatican itself.
Bill Ligon
Well shut my mouth Pope – you can go POOP some place else.
Scott McIntosh
She’s a bitch, he’s a ratbag
Travis
@OhHellNo: Again, I have my doubts about its validity considering my major distrust in American media and the Vatican. It sounds like a lot of us on here are not trusting of the Vatican. I don’t understand why it’s difficult for you to accept that some of us don’t believe this story. To each his own, you are absolutely allowed to believe what you want. But in doing so, let me share my personal viewpoint and opinion. Thanks!
billeetee
Okay, if the story is ‘true’, then I feel that we’re not getting all of it nor what actually transpired. As for ‘summoning Kim’, I don’t buy that at all. It was probably a ‘group meeting’ and the obligatory encouragements were spoken. I doubt seriously that the Pope was informed of exactly what Kim has been up to. I sense the machinations of a malicious attorney with his eyes on “National” ala Mark Omara and George Zimmerman. BUT…
if it’s true and Holy Father told Kim to keep fighting the good fight, he obviously didn’t tell here where or when. The last time I checked, Hell hadn’t frozen over yet and the Devil was still saying “Kim who…?”
connorlarkin19
@Billy Budd
Barbata Tuchman, you forgot Christopher
Hutchins, “All religion kills all things: Calvin, Luther tortured and ML killed 100,000 German peasants. he hated them. 10,000,000 dead Am Indians by Protestant missionaries, oh yes, Meth Rev Col. Chitti.gton killed 150 Indian wos. children in.Colorado to show
voterd back home in.his Congressional race he was ‘tough on crime’,
etc etc
Evji108
The Pope is there to do his job – be the human face of the Catholic church and promote and foster the church’s aims. Just because he seems to be a nice man with an amiable personality does not mean anything at all beyond Public Relations. He was hand-picked as the “nice face” to replace the old Pope. Pope Benedict was giving them horrendous PR and presenting the ugly face of the church. He got dumped deliberately in favor of Pope Francis. This scheme has succeeded brilliantly. The Kim Davis issue is not personal, it is simply Church business, no more, no less.
jimontp
All of these references to Francis’ quote “who am I to judge?” which didn’t refer to ALL gay people, but only to one gay bishop/ prelate Francis had appointed to help clean up the rampant graft and corruption in the Vatican Bank. As all of us can now see, this Pope DOES judge- NO GAY MARRIAGE. And any hillbilly 4 timed married slut (I use that word cautiously, getting pregnant by a former/future husband deserves the word) who refuses to do the job she was elected to do, desrves to get fired for not doing the job she was elected to to. The Pope has unwisely decided to side with the law-breakers who defy the Supreme Court. So much for a “new Catholic” approach. No gay marriage, No abortions, no matter if the mother dies, NO birth control and NO condoms. Why does any sane, rational person pay any attention to them? It makes all of the logical arguments preventing climate change so much more difficult to champion when they come from bigots.
Allen Atkinson
I’ve said that asshole should have stayed where he came from !!! We could have feed a lot more homeless if he had ! It took a small fortune to being his ass here. To see another ass hole! The president Obama for 45 mins..
M J Martinez Crogan
Please do I want to see this cunt locked up.
Johnny Scott
Who… Cares…
topshelf
As a Catholic who went to Catholic school through high school, I am ashamed of the Pope and of this religion. Christianity itself has become so completely trashy and even more divisive than I’ve ever felt before. I have great memories of my upbringing and my church. But what I’m seeing today is foreign to me.
adrianjurado310
public examples of unmerchantable goods..how do they sleep at night? im asking because we all have to sleep at our own risk. of death.
Bauhaus
Pope has a mean sucker punch.
Giancarlo85
Typical… and alienturd is nowhere to be found. He’s a huge fan of this Pope. This Pope is no different then the last one. And most people in so called “catholic countries” just don’t give a shit about the church anymore. Take for example Argentina.
aliengod
@Giancarlo85: Actually, had you taken the time to scroll up, you’d see that “alienturd” commented on this already. Nice try though. Stay classy!
Gourmandises
Can we gays just stop groveling before the religious zealots, begging for acceptance?! It ain’t gonna happen! The Pope just canonized a genocidal maniac while he was here so are we really surprised that he agrees with Kim “Kentucky Harlot” Davis?
ronsfo
@pjm1: This is so true, having read a lot of California history. May I quote you on Facebook.
Tommy Ogletree
I take it the Christians still believe in war and fighting.
Daniel-Reader
He told a government employee to not uphold the U.S. Constitution – so that makes him an official enemy of the United States, right? Acting on behalf of a foreign government to harm U.S. citizens is treason, right?
Ogre Magi
Why does this surprise anyone?
JerseyMike
I am not a religious person but I do like this pope.. don’t agree with him meeting with Kim Davis.. I don’t have to agree with everything someone says or does to like them.. that’s life..
just me
Unless this was an exorcism, are we looking at husband number 5 or is it 6?
Faye Denton
Fine. Never thought anything different. She has a complete right to her beliefs. So she should resign her job or be fired. Never thought anything else.
Bisexual-Transwoman
@Ogre Magi: Seriously I’m wondering the same thing.
Jay A. Scaramazzo
jkb
He also asked Georgia not to execute that woman they just executed. Separation of church and state is still en force.
Xzamilio
@Ogre Magi: Seriously. How is anyone surprised? The man has NEVER done anything but make passive aggressive remarks without doing a damn thing to advance LGBT rights in the Catholic world, despite the gay and lesbian individuals claiming up and down he’s some newer more tolerant pope. GTFOH
Curty
He’s a coward and child molester apologist… she’s a selfish, stupid bitch who needs to go back to jail.
Sheryl Mcallister
Oh looks like a bs story Who paid for her little trip? And was she paid for her non working job while she was gone?
Loraine Lewis
and you are surprised because…….?
Patrick Crawford
This is why I’m atheist.
BlueDude
This matter is annoying, at the very least. Still, no Pope has any power over the Constitution of the United States of America. Moreover, Kim Davis is still in contempt of a Federal Court Judge’s orders, and a lawbreaker, no matter what she, or anyone else, cares to think.
Giancarlo85
@aliengod: You are always full of excuses. The pope is a bigot like the last one.
Wooly
Kimmy strikes back.
Arnold Stollar
Lol
Faggot
@Nahald: If Snopes confirms that you have a bridge and it is one worthy of purchase, we’ll talk.
Until then, Snopes is the go-to source for validity of facts and rumors:
http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/internet/a/snopes_exposed.htm
Mike Gerard
ok, sorry, You have one side of the story here and you have no idea the reason the Pope met with her or what was actually said or t his intentions for the visit. ONCE again media is trying to stir up the pot and see what falls out. So sick of have truths and BS facts
Justin Todd Gehman
I can’t believe that the pope would condome this type of personal percussion, seems like a conflict of interest… seriously
scotshot
@Bisexual-Transwoman:
Person who makes blanket statements is frequently proved a fool.
Kevan1
Weird the Pope would support women tied to such a radical group of people who say they are her security. A group the U.S. government has classified as a fringe group and has threatened the life of a State Sheriff and Governor. I wonder if the Pope’s own PR messed this one up. I hope this was a mistake or flat out lie by Kim Davis and her hate monger group.
scotshot
This is the guy who refused to meet with dissidents in Cuba who are actually beaten and thrown in prison for their political beliefs.
Leonard Woodrow
Good and intelligent Catholics everywhere will be ashamed of the Pope’s endorsement of this woman’s wicked actions. He is hypocrisy personified!
Kevan1
@Don Trinh:
Thank you for the article you shared. I have renewed believe that the Pope may have not been as aware of the situation as one might think. I assume a conservative political figure, such as one of two supportive figures running for president, may have secured a spot for the hate monger.
My thoughts, a few comments above, may be closer to the truth than I originally suspected. I believe this Pope may be more in tune with humanity in whole and just not those who have made it a life goal to throw stones and disparage against those who do not fall into a preconceived view of what they believe to be “normal” and morally correct.
tsginamarieva
AN OPEN LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR KIM DAVIS
Dear Kim Davis,
I understand you’ve been through a lot these past several weeks, and I’m sure it’s all been very stressful. But I think you need to take a few minutes to cipher things through.
I know it’s terribly exciting to have all those TV cameras and reporters following you everywhere – recording every hiccup, burp and butt sneeze (a Christian lady never farts!). And I’m sure it must be intoxicating to have so many wonderful Christians out there praying for you to triumph over that godless “rule of law,” the heathens care so much about. Holy moly, even Pope Francis told you – in person – to, “stay strong,” and keep up the struggle. Imagine how much that would mean to you if you were Catholic!
(Although, if I’m being Jesus-honest, I’m not sure I’d bet a donor kidney on that helping too much to resolve this whole mess. The man talks funny, and when he’s not wearing dresses that would make Oprah cry, he’s walking around in an albino beanie and an ice cream suit! I don’t know whether he’s the Supreme Pontiff or Colonel Sanders.)
But, Sister Kimmie, bless your heart, you, me and the Virgin Mary know you shouldn’t have broken out your Crayolas and White-out and started monkeying around with Rowan County’s marriage license forms like they were your summer camp crafts project. You’re just supposed to sign the licenses, not turn them into homemade, “sorry you’re going to burn in Hell for all eternity,” sympathy cards! People are going to notice that you took the county logo and your signature off of them! Even in Kentucky! For gosh sakes, why didn’t you just Bedazzle them while you were at it!
And sure as Jesus made gluten-free cupcakes, that terrible judge is going to send you back to jail! If you’re not big on homosexual sex, trust me, a women’s prison is the last place you want to go. I know, I’ve seen the movies.
Sister Kim, I say this with all of the love in my heart, you need to put things back the way they were on the marriage license form and apologize to the judge. And then grit your good tooth, sign the licenses, and wave and smile as “those people” prance all the way up the altar and straight down to the fiery bowels of Perdition!
In the end, you have to trust that the Almighty has a plan for you. A couple of months ago you were just little Kimmie Davis, Nobody from Nowhereville, Kentucky, double-digit I.Q., County Clerk for Rowan County. And now look at you! You’re speaking for every good Christian in America who hates homosexuals because God told them to! The heathens may have the law and the Supreme Court and the majority of people in the country on their side, but we’ve got you! And Mike Huckabee!
Who knows, Fox News or the TLC Network may even give you your own TV show! After all, you’re almost popular enough to be a Duggar Now!
Your Sister in Christ,
Gina Conners
Alistair Wiseman
Gosh, what a difference a couple of days make!
It was funny watching leftists get excited when the Pope spoke on issues over which he has no authority, but that they agreed with. Meanwhile, those same leftists ignore the legitimate areas where he does have authority and which liberals disagree with strongly. In that case, they’d rather shush him and steer him to global warming (excuse me, I mean climate change).
“Conscientious objection must enter into juridical structure because it is right,” said Pope Francis. Yep, the Pope is in fact Catholic.
It would have been nice if he remembered he was Catholic while he was speaking to Congress about illegal immigration and climate change.
scotshot
@tsginamarieva: One of the best replies I’ve seen on this subject. Brava!
gaym50ish
@The Tower of Power: If I had any shred of respect left for this pope, it was gone the moment he met with Kim.
oz1967
surprised?
Mike Cooke
lets be honest the catholic church will never change (they despise gay people but welcome with open arms any peadophile who wants to become a priest!!!!!!
Glenn Cheatham
Evil!!!!
Berkleyguy
We are now seeing Pope Francis from a totally different perspective. The report of his meeting with the clown lady form Kentucky is so disappointing. The Catholic world had looked at Pope Francis as the one person who could bring the Catholic church out of its decades of oppression. Then he goes and spends time and wasted energy to meet with her. The tragedy in all this is the news media. Kim Davis is yesterday’s news. If the media would quit assisting her quest for martyrdom, then this whole matter would go away. Nothing she is doing anymore is worth a front page news story. It’s gotten to the point of disgusting. The Catholic church had the opportunity to have a Pope who is revered by the American people and he, quite simply, BLEW IT!
arthurb3
Of course. Like any church or organization they just want your money!
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: “t was funny watching leftists get excited when the Pope spoke on issues over which he has no authority, but that they agreed with. Meanwhile, those same leftists ignore the legitimate areas where he does have authority and which liberals disagree with strongly. ”
More bullcrap from the bullshit master himself. For one, The Pope has no authority on any issue except what goes on in the Catholic Church, and no leftists were getting excited about him.
““Conscientious objection must enter into juridical structure because it is right,” said Pope Francis. Yep, the Pope is in fact Catholic. ”
Conscientious objection has no place in government. Nice attempt at defending Kim Davis, asshole.
James
The pope is a whore.
James
The pope is a whore who just screwed America.
James
@patricklee5150: Boy are you DUMB.
edensasp
I guess if Jesus can have a redeemed whore by his side the Pope can have a hypocritical slut at his.
scotshot
@Alistair Wiseman:
Another pedantic comment from Queerty’s top homophobe.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
Awww, there he is. Never far from my side. He is like a shadow following me wherever I go. Like a little puppy dog.
I’m touched that my postings mean so much to you. I know you feel compelled to respond to everything I write and it is very flattering. Thank you
p-candotorg
The pope is a Jesuit for his god sake now mine or ours. I was schooled by them for while. They will do and tell what ever is needed to get more sheep to follow. And many sheep are hopeful. Ever wondered why he preferred to live in a simple apartment in Buenos Aires? Instead of a palace with staff etc? There is so much one can do more easily from a small private flat.
I got 25K EU for five years of abuse by two priests 3x 1hr a week. Less than 5$ per hour. That was maybe less than the price a BJ by a hooker at that time in Europe.
Took me 45 years to reach this goal. Was treated like a carpet buyer by their representative which left me freshly hurt again. Had to handle and nearly plead in front of a jury like in an Istanbul Suk.
WE ARE not finished with the Vatican. A class action by 590+ claimants is in the pipes for several years now in Belgium. But then its a first so it may take some more years.
Here in America Canada that is, we need a 2 million $ insurance before we can drive a car. But the Vatican puts zero value to their wrong doings and self determine the price of max payouts in Europe that is.
I can’t put names and dates etc as by my settlement I am not allowed to do so. But wait for my book its nearly done.. Now who wants to publish an abuse story of a young European boy?
It still seems a taboo subject. Publishers, Literary agents anyone?
Giancarlo85
@Alistair Wiseman: You are totally out of your bounds. You are a big homophobe. I just wonder why you are on here and not on Newsmax lol. Go bck to the gutter where you came from please.
Alistair Wiseman
@Giancarlo85:
If you are inevitably going to comment on everything I post, could you at least read AND comprehend what I posted.
You wrote, “Nice attempt at defending Kim Davis, asshole.”
Please explain how I defended Kim Davis in my post?
1EqualityUSA
tsginamarieva, I love you dearly.