We aren’t entirely sure what a “bottom icon” is, but apparently everyone’s been calling pop darling Troye Sivan one.
Again, we’ve never heard the phrase before, as it pertains to Sivan or anyone else, but it sounds like a real honor?
In a recent interview with Them, Sivan fielded questions about music and acting and bottoming.
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“There’s been a lot of fanfare about the single, ‘Bloom,’ being implicitly about bottoming,” Davey Davis informs Sivan at one point in the convo, before asking: “Do you have your queer audiences in mind when you’re writing about those kinds of experiences?”
Short answer: Yes.
But things dig a little deeper, so to speak, as Troye’s very lovely response about making unabashed queer music for queer people (which you can read in the full interview here) leads to this followup:
“It did make me wonder, though, as everyone’s saying, ‘Troye is a queer icon. He’s a twink icon. He’s a bottom icon’ — is that something you strongly identify with personally? Are you like, ‘That’s me, I’m a bottom, and that’s my sexuality!’ or is that reductive?”
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If anyone out there is unironically self-identifying as a “bottom icon”, you are encouraged to get in touch with us at [email protected]; we have questions.
Sivan, however, is not one of those people.
“Completely reductive,” he responded. “Without getting into like any sort of details whatsoever, that was a song I wrote about a particular experience. I’m not branding that as myself forever. It was definitely just writing a song.”
A song, we might add, that’s a real bop.
Check it out below:
Okay, well everyone else weighed and the consensus was “No” and “Who is this?”
Not really. I’m an Old and aware of him and like his music.
Good for you.
Really, Who is this? 🙂
Big music fan here. Finally listening to this much hyped track…and after I prize the screwdrivers out of the bloodied apertures formerly known as my eardrums I’ll tell you if it was worth it
I’ve heard auto-tune doesn’t work if you can actually sing…anyone know if that is true?
But an icon of any kind? No.
98% of people don’t actually know what auto-tune is, and couldn’t detect it in 99% of instances. Many hear effects like the vocoder used on so many latter Cher tracks and thinks that’s auto-tune. It’s not; it’s just an effect, and one that distorts, not corrects. The sound on the Sivan tracks is just an effect too. It’s not auto-tune.
Do bottoms (or tops, or verse guys) need an icon? Stupid.
Believe or not, the answer is yes — specifically, for the young fans for whom he is a role model or icon. Bottoming still has a stigma of being less than manly, and for many, it’s fulfills the stereotype of being effeminate or weak. While I personally find nothing wrong with effeminate men, that’s no so with the general public — or many gays. For example, watch how gay activists indignantly protest, “We’re not all limp-wristed or hairdressers!” And just what is intrinsically wrong with being limp-wristed? Why is being a football player valued more than a hairdresser? You don’t see these activists protest other gay stereotypes: “We don’t all have disposable incomes! We’re not all neat! We don’t all like fashion! We’re not all artsy!”
Bottom (no pun intended) line: Topping is considered superior to bottoming, and bottoming is often the butt of jokes (again, no pun intended). For example, dropping a bar of soap in the shower. As such, teens and tweets, both gay and straight, can benefit from a celebrity admitting to bottoming. And for that demographic, Troye Sivan is a more effective proponent than say, Sir Ian McKellan, trumpeting the joys of bottoming.
There was a pretty good study a few years ago that found the factors causing painful receptive anal sex. Among them is shame and internalized homophobia. Normalizing bottoming is then a good and necessary thing.
I used to enjoy his music back when not every song was about being gay.
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