Remember that Dallas BBQ “gay bashing” from May? We covered it here, here and here. In case your memory needs refreshing, 32-year-old Jonathan Snipes reported being punched, kicked, and attacked by two men shouting antigay slurs at the Chelsea spot after he accidentally knocked over a drink while rushing out of the restaurant after hearing about a death in his family.
Well, the full video of the brawl has been released to The G-List Society by Dallas BBQ and, well, it looks like Snipes has some explaining to do.
In the video, Snipes is shown arguing with boyfriend Ethan York-Adams, then stomping towards the exit of the restaurant in a huff, but not before he starts the altercation with Bayna El-Amin.
El-Amin acknowledges his role in the altercation, but claims he suffered injuries and was fearful for his own safety. You can read that interview in its entirety here.
How about we take this to the next level?
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We all know how it ended, but now that we know how it began, we have all sorts of questions for Snipes that we’d love for him to reach out to Queerty to answer:
• Why was the first stop to the press and not police? (Also, to DNA Info reporter Aidan Gardiner: weren’t you warned against reporting single-source stories on day one of J-school?)
• Why did you say you were attacked by multiple people when the video clearly shows El-Amin as the only attacker?
• Why did you say that you wouldn’t “take it to that level” when the video clearly shows you throwing the first object?
• Did El-Amin really call you and your boyfriend “white faggots,” or was that a fabrication like the phantom second attacker?
There are some unsubstantiated reports that you dropped an N-bomb on El-Amin, and we’re not talking about “neighbor.” Would you care to respond to that?
Anti-LGBT violence is a very real threat to LGBT people everywhere, but it does the issue a disservice when people pass off messy, drunken altercations as hate crimes and freely stoke racist stereotypes to do so.
It’s starting to seem as if Mr. Snipes and his boyfriend have done just that, so it will be quite interesting to see what they have to say about the video now that all sides are out.
We’re waiting. Reach out at [email protected].
Rob Smith is a multimedia journalist and author of Closets, Combat and Coming Out: Coming of Age as a Gay Man in the ‘Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell’ Army. He can be reached on Twitter @robsmithonline.
Giancarlo85
Who knows. I don’t believe any of them. Not the two white gay privileged men and not the bisexual El-Amin. If someone is causing issues back away… Don’t attack them. Be the adult and back away.
SportGuy
So the truth finally came out. The couple is not the victim! They started this because they have issues with race They started something they couldn’t finish. They learned a lesson hopefully and karma caught up to them.
Will Glitzern
If it weren’t for the injuries, this would be pretty delicious. What I’m seeing is one guy doing a sissy slap and then the other guy totally overreacts. He smashes the chair on them and then swaggers out the door like he’s on Empire. Oh and…Pachelbel’s Canon?
QJ201
Well I guess Snipes deserved to be attacked from behind with a chair for being a drunk asshole. Notsomuch.
Kohld
@SportGuy: Interesting… Snipes appears to be facing El-Amin at the beginning of this version of the video. Looks like the BF is holding him back from confronting El-Amin. What happened before this video’s start time? Where is the ENTIRE video? Why is Queerty, again, only showing some of the video? <–Rhetorical, I understand that they survive off of clicks.
Both men where obviously wrong… but does this initial throw by Snipes equal retaliation resulting in being brained with a solid wooden chair, when his back was turned? <–Rhetorical again. See Proportionality and Use of Force. See also Punk move and Cheap Shot and Cowardice.
Mob rule would say "Snipes started it (according to this edit of the video) and El-Amin finished it"… but do we seriously want to live in that world? Conservatives certainly would like it. Do we want to live somewhere where only Might makes Right? <–Rhetorical, yet again… I expect the flames but I am covered in Asbestos glitter… so flame away… something, something,give in to your. Something, something,makes you stronger. Something, something,Dark Side.
Just food for thought.
Kohld
Should’ve read
*hate
as in “something, something give in to your hate”
Daggerman
…it does seem quite clear now after some months…obviously going to a restaurant or bar and having an argument with a friend or lover is NOT a good recipe. I am talking from personal experience and I see why tempers can flare and get directed at the wrong people or person…
Lee Abadie
“Full Video”? Not so much.
Barbara Roman
Why are you only asking these questions 6 months later?
Aromaeus
No one disputes that the chair part was over the top but when this story first broke almost everyone was in the side of the victim and El-Amin was given the angry black homophobe treatment in both the articles that covered it and in many of the comments. You had a white guy make claims about the big black man and it played out just like it would have in the 50s.
Masc Pride
Snipes reminds me of some of the members here that attack everyone and then try to call foul when they get attacked back. Never felt sorry him. The chair was a bit much, but that’s exactly why you don’t walk around New York City starting stuff with people. Both of these guys were/are lying about stuff.
Brian
Violence is awful regardless of to whom it’s directed. I don’t see this incident as being prejudice-based violence. In other words, I don’t really see why the gay card is being played here.
Jamie Robillard
Childish.
Chris Sledge
Yeah he asked for that (the chair was over the top and unnecessary but….) do shake the table unless you read to get shook
Gigi Gee
There’s a lot to this story that doesn’t add up. Like how is it that a man as big and strong as El-Amin was “fearful for his own safety?” Snipes is a little wisp of a thing. Apart from throwing a hissy fit and embarrassing El-Amin in public, what could he have done to make him fearful. No matter who started it, El-Amin was wrong to wallop Snipes with a chair, with brute force, after her turned his back on him and was walking away. That was cowardly, and he could have killed him. If El-Amin was as innocent as he claims, why did he go into hiding instead of dealing with the situation head-on?
Giancarlo85
@Kohld: El Amin should have just backed away… But his overreaction is what makes his actions wrong. So I guess I just answered that rhetorical question lol.
@Masc Pride: You actually remind me of Snipes. The only thing we don’t do is threatening you with violence (even when you make violent threats). So yea, you are being hypocritical… Once again.
Bryguyf69
Actually, this video does little to change the situation, despite the biased text.
1) This video does not disprove the assault and injuries sustained by Snipes. The assault was clearly captured on video, reported by witnesses and documented by hospital records. And this is the most important point — because THESE ARE THE ONLY CHARGES IN QUESTION. NO CHARGES HAVE BEEN LEVELED AGAINST SNIPES OR YORK-ADAMS. It doesn’t even matter what preceded the assault, only whether the participants’ actions were appropriate for the moment. As an analogy, consider the recent rash of police brutality cases, i.e. Laquant McDonald in Chicago. It doesn’t matter what the teen did before, i.e. whether he fled police, only whether his actions at that instant justified the shooting.
2) The video does not corroborate El-Amin’s claim that he “suffered injuries and was fearful for his own safety” — which would be his only reasonable defense, aka self-defense. Nor did there seem to be any reason for him to be in fear given how many friends were with him, all of whom were big.
3) No eyewitness has corroborated El-Amin’s account of injuries, or given any reason for him being fearful. Why is that? Several eyewitnesses, including the person who made the widely-circulated video, said that patrons tried to stop El-Amin. That clearly means he was the aggressor. Furthermore, Lisa Roco said that there was “no justification” for El-Amin’s actions.
4) As for questioning why Snipes didn’t go to the police first, why not ask the same question of El-Amin? Why didn’t he go the police since he claims to have been the victim? Furthermore, he fled the scene. And even worse, he was a fugitive. Why not give the police a statement after knowing that they were looking for him?
And it’s hypocritical for the video and blogger to ask why Snipes went to the press when they don’t ask the same of El-Amin. Instead of going to the authorities, whom he knew were looking for him, he went to GLIST. Furthermore, unlike Snipes who went to the the entire press, knowing full-well that he can be scrutinized, El-Amin only went to a biased and sympathetic medium, GLIST. That speaks volumes. We should never confuse true journalism with public relations.
5) As for the press, I don’t know what was actually said to DNAINfo since there is no footage. But I did watch a WCBS interview with Snipes and heard nothing about “multiple attackers.” These were words coming out of Snipe’s mouth,
6) I didn’t see any argument between Snipes and York-Adams. What I saw was one man trying to restrain another, much like El-Amin’s friends tried to restrain him. My guess is that the conflict between El-Amin and them started way before this video, i.e. words exchanged while waiting to be seated. When one of the men decided to confront El-Amin further, the other tried to restrain him. So no, I’m not convinced that Snipes and York-Adams were arguing. And certainly, no eyewitness mentioned that the dates argued.
7) Finally, there is a question of inconsistencies in Snipe’s story. That’s not unusual after a concussion and/or traumatic event. I don’t know whether Snipes was officially diagnosed with a concussion (he was being monitored for it at last report) but the location of his head wound, the fall and the force of the chair make it likely.
In summary, this video provides context, but it does nothing to disprove the charges against El-Amin. Nor does it provide any justification for the assault or being a fugitive from the police.
moldisdelicious
@Kohld:
You do realize that it’s very likely that the charges are going to be dropped because of Mr snipes own words. He basically destroyed the DA’s case.
Bryguyf69
@Gigi Gee wrote:
“There’s a lot to this story that doesn’t add up. Like how is it that a man as big and strong as El-Amin was ‘fearful for his own safety?’ Snipes is a little wisp of a thing.”
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Exactly. Keep in mind that El-Amin had several big friends with him as well, whereas Snipes only had his equally-lean date. What “fear” justified such a response? That’s really the only thing prosecutors and/or jurors need to consider. Whether it was an assault or justifiable self-defense. One witness, Lisa Roco, said that there was “no justification.”
Giancarlo85
@Bryguyf69: Exactly. El Amin commited a violent and unjustified assault that could have ended up in homicide.
I remember a saying… “Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hutt me”.
What happened here was a felony committed by El Amin.
Bryguyf69
@moldisdelicious wrote:
“the charges are going to be dropped because of Mr snipes own words. He basically destroyed the DA’s case.”
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How so? What is the DA’s exact case, and how do Snipe;s words destroy it? I could be wrong, but I believe it is an assault case with possible hate crime charges. The hate crime was always iffy, but how do Snipe’s words (or this video) disprove assault charges? I was on a Grand Jury earlier this year (Manhattan, the same court where this would be decided). Among the 20 or so cases we reviewed were a few where we had to decide whether a defendant’s actions were justified given the circumstances. How do “Snipe’s own words” — or even his actions — justify El-Amin’s assault? Our Grand Jury would’ve definitely let this case proceed.
moldisdelicious
@Bryguyf69:
It does. It basically shows that Mr snipes lied. He was the entire case. Sounds like you’re trying way too hard to vouch for Mr snipes when there’s no way this will hold up in court. The video footage and the eyewitnesses are all against him. The self defense claim from El amin holds more weight than Mr snipes victim claim. He can argue that he saw one of the two men reaching for a knife from one of the tables or he felt threatened being that he was attacked first.
Bryguyf69
@moldisdelicious: What “self-defense claim”? He can argue anything he wants but the criterion we were given is whether a “reasonable person” would feel the same threat. What eyewitness is against him? What eyewitness saw any hints of a knife? Please provide a source. WCBS interviewed witnesses who thought this was unjustified. GUess what — if someone had a knife, I would flee, not assault with a chair and then leave without waiting for the police.
And you don’t seem to know the law. There is no such thing as “Mr snipes victim claim.” This is not a Civil Trial. We are not trying to decide whether Snipes was a victim. Snipes is not on trial. We are to decide whether El-Amin committed an assault and whether the assault was justified. Sorry, those questions have nothing to do with Snipe’s words, which you choose to focus on. Snipes can be in a coma, thus never having said a word, and this case would still go forward.
I don’t know how many juries or Grand Juries you’ve been on, especially in New York, but I completely disagree as a 3-time NY juror. Based on what I see, there is clearly a case, and as a juror, I would probably convict.
moldisdelicious
@Bryguyf69:
You still don’t get it. The point of the matter is that dude lied. They charged el amin based on the words of the “victim” and the video footage of the chair. Now there’s enough reasonable doubt to show that this probably wasn’t an intentional assault. So they might have to charge snipes as well or let el amin walk. Either way, Mr snipes has some explaining to do. He is not the victim of a hate crime but just lost a bar room brawl he started.
moldisdelicious
@Giancarlo85:
He could have got stabbed. If the guy was brazen to throw a glass of water in his face and was drunk on top of that for no reason, he was capable of much worse. Mr. Snipes is only the victim of his own craziness.
moldisdelicious
@Aromaeus:
Exactly, it exposed the bigotry within the gay community amongst it’s members
Mark Klein
Not justifying chair smashing, but if you start with the first physical aggression, you better be prepared for the worst because people are cray.
Stache
@moldisdelicious: Of course it was an intentional assault. El-Amin was visibly angry to the point his friends had to hold him down. He waited till the victim had his back turned after the fight was over and then casually walked out.
You must like to play twister with that kind of defense.
SpunkyBunks
Another drunken drama queen gets his ass kicked, story at 11!
Why do all of these “gay bashings” always occur at night and involve alcohol? The gay media embarasses all of us when they rush to defend a white queen who had too much too drink and made poor decisions. Never do you see the media defend the civil rights of a latino or black queen who did the same stupid shit.
Its getting old, no wonder straights hate us.
Franklin
Yes, Mr El-Amin took it too far, and he will be charged accordingly, as well he should. The fact remains however, aa waa stated above, that when the story broke, people jumped on the black homophobe bandwagon. It never crossed anyone’s mine that A) Mr. El-Amin might be gay, or B)The other guy might not have been as innocent as he claimed. Mr, El-Amin should have walked away. It’s like my father always said. Do not put your hands on someone you are not prepared to fight.
https://youtu.be/MVJ0XDLYQ2I
Bryguyf69
@moldisdelicious wrote:
“there’s enough reasonable doubt to show that this probably wasn’t an intentional assault. So they might have to charge snipes as well or let el amin walk.”
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You seriously need to familarize yourself with the law and how a Grand Jury works. First off, what is “an intentional assault”??? Did the chair accidentally fall on Snipe’s head? Or are you claiming temporary insanity? You do realize that self-defense IS INTENTIONAL, right? In other words, you contradicted yourself. If El-Amin claims self-defense, he can’t simultaneously claim that it “wasn’t an intentional assault.”
Second, read my initial post. Yes, go ahead and charge Snipes. If El-Amin is the victim he claims to be, he should indeed press charges. In fact, he should have waited for the police at the restaurant and press charges right there. And he should have surrendered when he knew the police were looking for him. And he should have gone to the mainstream press with his claims. The fact that NONE of that happened speaks volumes.
Why don’t you write DA Cyrus Vance and ask him to charge Snipes? Or write El-Amin and ask him to formally charge Snipes? Let’s see how far you get. Indeed, the fact that he has filed civil charges but not criminal charges tells is what El-Amin is really after.
moldisdelicious
@Bryguyf69:
You probably wouldn’t even make it as a juror in this case since you seem to show complete bias towards the victim for whatever reason.
Well, I do know enough about the law to know that no reasonable doubt is needed for a conviction. I also know that the DA is a political entity and is careful about trying cases especially those they might not win. It’s not likely that this case will go to trial. The charges will be reduced or dropped. A perfect example of this is another case that at McDonalds where two women assaulted a register person and ended up getting best up with a frying stick. The charges got dropped and the supposed victims ended up getting charged instead.
You can defend snipes all you want but how does it look when the victim can’t tell the truth about the incident. I understand the person being charged denying anything but the victim lying and even fabricating parts of the story. Sounds like he’s hiding something or did something wrong himself. Turns out that he did.
As I said, this is not going to go to trial.
Captain Obvious
I love how everyone interjects that the chair was too far when we have no audio to the video.
Use of the N word actually can be taken into account by the law and has been many times. In fact if anyone can call hate crime on the entire scenario including going after the police department it’s Mr. Amin.
He was seated minding his own business, Snipes comes up, and hits him.
Then people keep saying Snipes back was turned… with no audio. He’s clearly still running his mouth.
It’s should be obvious to any black person that’s the moment he called Amin a Ni**er. That’s when he picked up the chair and shut it down.
Now everyone else who has no equivalent slur to be used on them can say whatever bs they want about how it doesn’t matter. Anyone who’s black and not a pussy would’ve done the same thing Amin did. Whoop that trick.
Call me a ni**er, your ass is getting shoved down your throat till you can’t taste it anymore. I don’t really care what excuse anyone has for it. That word when used by a white person is going to get all the payback for every year of slavery in one hit. That’s what Snipes got, that’s what any white person who wants to dredge it up will get.
Don’t use it.
I really don’t care what any r@cists, apologists, or Uncle Toms have to say on the matter. You use the N word and it’s over.
Likewise two white men attacking one black man who was seated and suddenly they’re the victims and after ruining this man’s name now we’re asking questions 6 months later? Too little too late.
The police have no reason to be going after Amin if they’re not also charging Snipes and his boyfriend. All were fighting and it should be taken into account that Amin was attacked.
I’m so tired of people pretending they wouldn’t strike back if someone hit them. If you truly wouldn’t and you’re a man then you’re are by far the biggest puss on the planet and your father is rightfully embarrassed by you(or failed you). If a man hits you you better put him in his place. If a man hits a woman in your presence you put him in his place. And if a man is causing a scene like Snipes was then he’s not a victim.
Every single person who defended Snipes should feel stupid and be a man. Own up to the fact that you were wrong and stop continuing to argue in his favor because your own narcissism won’t let you admit it. You’re just being his pawn and it makes you look worse. You were used to help him get away with his r@cist antics so call for punishment like you so quickly did with Amin.
Without audio you can’t say the chair was overboard. If someone was flying off at the mouth using slurs against you you’d be ready to kill them too. Continuing to say it was “over” with no audio is stupid and irrelevant. It wasn’t over till that chair shut that twerp up. His lips were flapping from the start of the video till the chair.
DawnTrans
So let me get this straight. 2 flaming queens get into a bitch fight in a restaurant. One middle eastern man appears to tell them to STFU. 2 queens confront man, one attempts to slap him. 1 Queen gets slapped down her partner tries to separate them. Small, Brawl over.
A few minutes later Middle eastern man uses chair to knock out queen ( Id love to know what the queen said that riled man to use chair and not just wipe the floor with her. Queen gets all social and makes this something its not…
Gay men your credibility is going downhill by the minute.
moldisdelicious
@Stache:
Well, Mr snipes is not the victim. He was the aggressor. He assaulted Mr amin first. As i keep saying, who is to say that Mr snipes wouldn’t have turned around and still went after Mr amin when he first assaulted him. You guys keep mentioning his size and the chair but yet you fail to mention how Mr snipes could have blinded or caused serious harm to Mr amin or another patron with what he did. He also lied about what happened too. I want to know what he told the police in the police statement. Lol.
Bryguyf69
@Franklin: Actually, people didn’t jump on “the black homophobe” bandwagon. They jumped on the “homophobe” bandwagon, period. I don’t remember anyone claiming that Snipes was attacked because he was white or because El-Amin was Black. What I did hear was a POSSIBLE hate crime and the demonstrable size difference between the two men. Even Snipes himself played down the bias angle in a WCBS interview, where he said no one should be assaulted like that, not just minorities. As for homophobia, that’s a reasonable assumption given that the men were on a date. And even a race assumption is STATISTICALLY reasonable given the history of Chelsea and the West Village. If I’m not mistaken, the majority of recent homophobic attacks in that area have been perpetuated by Black men. And of course, since only 2-6% of the population is gay, it’s also STATISTICALLY safe to assume that El-Amin was straight. Statistically-based assumptions, aka experience, are the basis of our daily interactions with our environment. The key to being unbiased is to realize our assumptions, and change our perceptions as objective facts become available.
hank123
We don’t want to admit it, but our community is much like any other in America. When this video and story first came out, the NATURAL conclusion was to lay fault at the feet of the big dangerous black guy. Who also happened to have a record. And then went into hiding. White gay men like to think that they’re above racism, that having the heart of a black woman makes you immune. But that’s just not true. Everyone here believed the white guys. And if we’re honest, many of you still do, and will twist yourselves into pretzels defending the young man who started this fight. The truth of this story is that BOTH sides were wrong, and BOTH are responsible.
Franklin
@hank123: Don’t tell that to bryguyf69.
Mx. Truvada Amour
This horse is dead, ladies. Move on.
@DawnTrans: Preach, girl! I’ve seen two drag queens go at each other way worse than this, and everyone is over it by the end of the night. Gay men just looooove a chance to bitch at each other and everyone else. Maybe it’s the “G” that needs to be dropped from the TLGB?
Bryguyf69
@Captain Obvious wrote:
“I love how everyone interjects that the chair was too far when we have no audio to the video. …Use of the N word actually can be taken into account by the law and has been many times.”
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What do you mean by “no audio?” You can clearly hear the impact of the chair — despite the mic being far away — in the original viral video that most people have watched. Isaam Shareef, who made the viral video, told WCBS, “In all my years, I had never seen anything like that. I had never seen somebody crack — I MEAN LIKE, YOU COULD HEAR THE WOOD BREAK; like, that heavy, thick wood upside that man’s head.” All available witnesses confirmed the force of the attack. Furthermore, medical reports indicate injuries consistent with those eyewitness reports. Dude, people are entitled to their own opinions but not their own facts. If you can’t hear the chair, get your hearing checked.
On the other hand, not one witness reported hearing the N-word.
And keep in mind that there were two assaults. First is when he kicked/stomped the men when they were already down. The men were then separated. Angry words were exchanged and then the chair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=55&v=GyuzV2D7U98
Stache
@Bryguyf69: @Captain Obvious: Captain oblivious has an agenda though. “those white queens deserved it!” Trust me he doesn’t care. This is a white vs black thing to him and that’s all he sees.
Watching the video again El-Amin was clearly out of control with anger and yes this video you can clearly hear everything including the sound of the chair hitting the guys head. Then he calmly walks out.
I find it interesting that on the “new full video” they replaced the sound with violins.
DawnTrans
@Mx. Truvada Amour: ^5 Mx. ^5
LucasH
Queerty: I am glad you have finally come around to acknowledging this. However, there is a little bit of a pot-and-kettle situation going on now, deflecting blame to DNAInfo and Snipes, the supposed victim in the first video. A lot of this information has been around from the very beginning, with eye-witness reports that directly contradicted Snipes’ claims, right at the onset. Even light google searching, when the story broke, revealed these weaknesses. And more recently, when El-Amin filed suit against many of the people involved, you again refused to acknowledge the surveillance video which was ALREADY AVAILABLE. I am glad you have done it now, but this very blog, with reaches a large audience, has played its own part in spreading both half-truths and, in the case of Snipes original accounting, flat-out lies. MANY of your less reactionary readers pointed this out in your comments section (Hi there!! are you even reading these??). What took so long?
jockboy1986
@moldisdelicious: Constantly repeating the same thing doesn’t make you right. What would make you right would be some facts, eyewitness accounts, references, logic, etc. Where are they? It doesn’t seem like you even know what the charges are, and what the case is about. Unintentional assault? Huh? As someone points out, if you argue self defense, then the act is intentional. And BTW, here are some more facts: NYPD says that ElAmin is a career criminal. He “has 15 prior arrests including Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan and New Jersey. Most of the arrests are for assault and drug possession, sources said.”
moldisdelicious
Lol @ folks getting angry with what i put where theyre flagging my comments. These sensitive keyboard warriors. Lol.
Stache
@jockboy1986: Ah so El-Amin is also a Career Criminal Thug with assault being at the top of list. Well, color me surprised. Lol
JerseyMike
Why is it so hard for people to say they are wrong when they are wrong.. Queerty you were wrong and you know you were wrong.. You keep publishing these stories/lies without verifying anything at all. Now you want to point the finger and someone else for not getting it right.. You copied their homework,got an F and now you are mad.. Do your own damned homework!!!
jockboy1986
@moldisdelicious: Could’ve’s don’t make a case. Evidence does. And it’s sad how people try to make this a racial case. It’s not about race or homophobia. It’s about assault. Jonathan Snipes has the evidence of a brutal assault and Bayna El-Amin has nothing. Where are these supposed injuries he suffered? photos, eyewitnesses, ER reports?
Jody Brooks
Look at the last video, the person that got the chair slammed on them had his back to the attacker because he was trying to keep his boyfriend from continuing the fight, the chair slamming was a cowardly act and was definitely an assault.
tdh1980
If it weren’t so sad, it would be comical how — despite videographic evidence to the contrary — so many of you are hellbent on pegging El-Amin as the instigator of this altercation. From making this *solely* about his use of the chair as a “weapon” to bringing up his criminal history, you’re trying everything in your bag of tricks to absolve Snipes completely of his complicity in the matter.
Captain Obvious
@Stache: Cool you’ve just labeled yourself a proven idiot. First by aligning yourself with someone who only sees a black vs white thing on the side of the white guy who started it. Secondly by backing up the false claim that the edited video has all the audio we need.
If you bothered to educate yourself on the situation you’d know this is unedited footage from the restaurant surveillance which is why it’s replaced the EDITED footage some random guy had on his phone. And even that random guy was on Amin’s side, so why are you so dumb?
Congrats on removing yourself from the discussion.
All you see is black vs white. I had no choice but to see black vs white when nearly every white person who commented was ready to hang Amin from a noose. Wake up, kiddie. Your privilege is showing.
moldisdelicious
Let’s keep it real. Most of the naysayers defending the original narrative simply are mad that this is not the case of the innocent white guy being victimized by the dangerous big black man that their bigoted asses already have in their minds. Then some of ya’ll try to act like you’re holier than holy or better than the same bigots like Kim Davis when you’re basically the same. At least she knows she’s fucked up. Some of you are hateful and all sorts of vile but calling yourself beautiful on the inside like mr. Snipes. You can try to fool yourself but the truth always comes out.
Captain Obvious
@tdh1980: Because they’re pathetic hypocrites and honestly as hard as the police are going in on Amin I’m starting to wonder if this was a setup gone wrong in the first place.
It almost seems like they meant to setup Amin to be arrested but didn’t expect all this footage to be released. I mean would you even bother to go after Amin at all having seen this footage as a legit police officer and the fact that Snipes never filed a report?
Seems there’s a real agenda here and it’s after Amin.
And I can’t help but laugh at the hypocrisy of gay men who are ready to support the witch hunt of this man just because of his ALLEGED criminal past. So because a person has a record they’re allowed to be assaulted by someone and if they fight back they deserve prison and the one who started it is a victim?
These queens deserve what they get. I’m glad and will remain glad that Snipes got a chair over the head. I hope it hurt like hell and knocked some sense into her dumb ass.
Giancarlo85
@moldisdelicious: You could have made a case if you didn’t rely on histrionics and misleading remarks. I don’t care if the guy lied. The prosecution has a strong case even on this full video. Please don’t come in here acting as if you know anything about the law. You are profoundly ignorant. A prosecutor would still prosecute El Amin because this full video actually proves the case it was a felony (assault and battery).
Snipes might have provoked a reaction, but for those excusing El Amin… you are totally wrong. You have no case. El Amin resorted to extreme violence that could have ended in homicide. It doesn’t matter if Sniped was ACTING like a complete and total douchebag. That does not provide enough basis for a brutal assault that could have resulted in murder.
So some here should stick to commenting on articles with shirtless dudes and not on a n obvious case of criminal assault. And what do you know what prosecutors had? They charged based on the full video. Chances are the prosecutor had the full video before it was leaked out and charged based on that alone. And if someone says Snipes should be charged… With what? Disturbing the peace? A small misdeamour compared to the felony El Amin committed.
Captain Obvious
@moldisdelicious: I’m just waiting for our resident Snow Queen ruler of all Uncle Toms to show up and tell us more about how the chair was still taking it too far and the N word isn’t an excuse for anything. Whatever his name is Starts with a Z or an X. I just love to laugh at how much he hates black people despite being dark skinned in America himself. I don’t think he owns any mirrors.
Captain Obvious
@Giancarlo85: Oh you fail troll. One minute you’re from Brazil and the next you’re an expert on American law. Ho sit down.
JerseyMike
@Captain Obvious: LMAO!!!?????
moldisdelicious
@jockboy1986:
And yet you’re doing everything to refuse to acknowledge that Mr snipes was the aggressor of the situation as it is shown on the restaurants cctv tape and various witnesses accounts. Sounds like you’re mad that it’s not the story that you thought it would be. Haha. You should be really mad at mr snipes who should have kept his mouth shut going to the press and not telling the truth about everything that happened.
Bob LaBlah
What these two queens have succeeded at doing (inadvertently) is make me start wondering if there is more to the story about those two gay men who were attacked in Philly earlier this year. I thought it quite odd they didnt pursue a lawsuit nor seem to be complaining very loud about being set upon by a mob as was depicted in their version of events.
I honestly believe that Snipes got the ass beating that he asked for. I hate to be the one to point this out to you but when you are face to face with a man twice your size and you switch your ass over to him and slap him across the face with your handbag you have BEST be prepared for what’s coming next: his foot in your ass. Mr. Black Guy was the type……”Queen, homie don’t play that.” And proved it. Mr. Snipes had never had his ass beat until that day and he should have left a lot smarter, as in next time you are going out to get drunk make sure you cook first so you can take your drunk ass on home and eat and not to a restaurant to start fucking with people who are tired of hearing you scream at your lover at the top of your lungs.
I do NOT see anything out of the ordinary with this FIGHT because this is what happens in FIGHTS. Its obvious the majority of you have never been in a knock down fight where two men are trying to literally kill each other or make damn sure the other does NOT get up. You just witnessed it. The safe distance that many of you enjoy (such as smarting off on the internet) had better start being realized because this is what happens when you can’t back up your smart ass mouth. You get your ass kicked when it (your mouth) has overloaded your ass when you are in public (reality, the real world, outside….take your pick).
Girl filed a false police report and were I the black guy I would sue her ass. She literally had all of gay America on the lookout for this guy. What if a crazed queen had recognized him or worse yet the “wrong” police officer confronted…..I am sure you see just who put whom in danger here. “I had no other choice but to shoot, stab him because ONCE AGAIN he was out of control” would have been all Mr. El’s killer would have had to say.
Franklin
I’m not taking up El-Amin. He was dead wrong with the chair. But Snipes is not an innocent victim. He wrote a check his body couldn’t cash, period. If I have a problem with someone and they are bigger than me you know what I’m not gonna do? Lay hands on them. And as far your stistics and assumptons Bryguyf69, the majority of publicized cases of pedophilia have been white males, so if case comes up, should it be satistically resonable to assume that a white man must be a pedophile?
Captain Obvious
@Bob LaBlah: I witnessed a girl get her ass beat worse in middle school actually lol.
Fights are fights. You cheat, you use whatever is around you, and you WIN. All this wrong for the chair stuff is a load of crap like you said from people who’ve never been in fights. And like I said in another post we don’t know what the lil queen is saying in the video but I’m sure she’s still flapping her gums saying something to piss off Amin. Well she got her reply, chair over the head, BOOM. Now what? She shut up after that.
I still thing nothing about this story makes any sense and it looks more and more like they were trying to set Amin up because they had nothing to actually arrest him on. Police officers have been known to do things like this but now in the age of always being watched it’s getting much harder for them to get away with it.
Amin has a good chance at getting a windfall if they keep pressing it.
@Franklin: PREACH! But they don’t like when you bring that up, it only works if they’re bashing black people. Not to mention beyond pedophilia it’s also every other abnormal crime like raping animals.
Bob LaBlah
@Franklin: Franklin, nothing personal honey, but I would have preferred to see the actual video of this spectacular fight than hear your excellent narrative of it. The driver was fired I am sure because the mistake he made was not stopping the bus, calling security or the police. All buses have a panic button and BEFORE that bus is pulled out of the garage to do its run the driver is required to be sure that the button works. He is subject to dismissal if he knowingly drove that bus off of that lot without it being able to be located. That is called a sign of the times (chi job description). You were right, he beat her ass and she asked for it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQvWItH-gKI
moldisdelicious
@Giancarlo85:
He was wrong for fighting too but you know what… that’s what happens when people fight. Mr snipes shouldn’t have even put his hands on dude in the first place. In fact, he shouldn’t even been drinking because chances are that dude seems to be one of those angry drunks that fights. I can only assume that dude has an anger problem and wouldn’t be surprised if he has a history or if he and his man have disputes that result in domestic violence.
Point I’m making is dude is a victim of his own issues that backfired against him fighting the wrong guy. Think that we all should use this as a lesson because plenty of gay guys have this fiesty attitude where they think they can’t get touched or whatever knowing they cant fight or whatever. This is an example of when keeping it real goes wrong. Then they want to play the victim card knowing they were dead wrong from the storefront. You would think folks would know better especially with these crazy fucks out here that beat up gay people off the strength that they’re gay.
Franklin
@Bob LaBlah: I can’t take credit for that video. That is one of my favorite gays, Kid Fury. His vlog posts are hilarious!
tdh1980
@Bob LaBlah: Ex. Act. Ly. When you deal the first two blows in what eventually becomes a fight, then you have to prepare for every single thing that can occur thereafter. It doesn’t become assault just because you find yourself on the wrong side of a beatdown. Take your licks and carry your ass home. This is precisely why you keep your hands to yourself. Emotions start running high, adrenaline begins pumping, and folks lose their ever-loving minds.
moldisdelicious
@Franklin:
Exactly, I see it all the time. You got way too many gay dudes feeling too comfortable being disrespectful, fiesty and shit then acting like that it can’t backfire in their face in front of the wrong people. These dudes think they’re cool until they get checked or end up facing the consequences to their shit.
Carlos Rodriguez
Why should El-Amin back away? Self defense applies when some touches you, they’re so lucky they didn’t get shot.
Xzamilio
Thank you, Queerty… this needed to be put out there because the narrative had El-Amin as the perpetrator when for all intents and purposes he was the one that was attacked first. Any retaliation was after the fact, so like the saying goes, “Don’t start none, won’t be none.”
Xzamilio
It was a narrative that I fed into and will definitely do better in the future to never just accept things at face value, especially in this day and age when videos can be edited to not show the full story. Yeah, I’m definitely going to post this and share it, because it shows that individuals — like me — are too damn quick to just go with something when the facts are not all there.
Bob LaBlah
@tdh 1980…@Franklin: @Captain Obvious: I have said numerous times to younger people whom seem hellbent to keep going on and on don’t get the impression that just because you are in a crowd with your friends you are not held responsible for your smart ass mouth. The young “thug” in this video had to learn the hard way about smarting off with people and not knowing how to fight. This video reminds me of an incident back in 2006 on Gay Pride Sunday when a young’un with his pants down around his ass (a tight, pretty round ass covered by a pair of cherry red BVD’s) had the nerve to ask the gay guys “what the fuck you keep looking at” at the 14th street station. A three hundred pound queen snatch his ass naked on that platform. He couldn’t fight and tried to run. I honestly felt sorry for him because this queen he fucked with was a queen, but looked the type who played DEFENSIVE tackle in the H.S. football team. That boy’s ass was beat AND stripped. NYC, of course no one intervened. This is NOT a video of it but the aggressive queen in here reminds me of that incident.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NA_UkwGHmUI
moldisdelicious
@Bob LaBlah:
LMAO.
I agree with you on your point. Me personally, I don’t condone violence and think that there isn’t a situation that couldn’t be resolved peaceful with a mutual understanding. However, knowing the nature of humans, anger management, peoples experiences, mental states and etc, it is best to chill out. It just amazes me though how it seems like the norm for gay dudes to be disrespectful towards each other or other people openly. I know for a fact that some of these gay dudes never really been in certain situations or lived in areas where people don’t take any bullshit. Bet you some of these dudes will chill out if they grew up around an area or around people who will whip their ass over nothing or the slightest sign of disrespect.
Captain Obvious
@Bob LaBlah: That was hilarious! I remember hanging out with some girl who apparently thought I was straight. She started walking through DC on a Friday night calling every gay man we came across(which was literally every few feet) a faggot. One giant queen came down the sidewalk and I started walking about 10 feet behind her. She calls him a faggot, his fist balled, and she came very close to getting hit. She looks at me and he goes “Your boyfriend can’t protect you, bitch.” I let him know real quick I was not with her. She shut up after that.
If her lips kept going he would’ve pummeled her. I believe his exact words were “I’m a faggot? I’ll show you a faggot.” with his huge fist aimed at her head and he towered over me(I’m 6’2″).
People think they can say and do whatever they want with no repercussions. They start fights and then pull victim cards to get out of it. Thanks to every pawn who backed up Snipes the wrong man had his life interrupted. And even if he does have a rap sheet that doesn’t mean he deserves to get assaulted with no punishment for Snipes. That means Snipes now gets a rap sheet too.
All this privilege being thrown around and people wonder why so many black people say white privilege is real. Well when you can assault a black man and have everyone side with you just because you make false claims and flat out lie then you’re benefiting from white privilege.
Honestly the “gay community” continues to be an embarrassment more often than not. And gay black men are expected to fall in line and turn on other black men in cases like this. Pfft.
Bob LaBlah
@Captain Obvious: If you enjoyed that you should really enjoy this ass beating. I bet these two whores ran their cellblock with an iron fist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ZhjItyz0s
Captain Obvious
@Bob LaBlah: I’m not sure if that was a fight or an orgy.
I dunno when black people started filming everything like white people but I don’t like it. Of all the things we could’ve adopted into our culture this is probably the worst lol. “I Don’t snitch.” *posts video on Youtube*.
The funniest part about uploading videos is you never know who you end up supporting the case of no matter what actually happened. It’s best to leave the cameras off.
The funniest fight I’ve ever seen online though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXz-tlK2pkI
Blackceo
@Xzamilio:
Exactly. “Don’t start none; won’t be none”. Did El-Amin go overboard? Perhaps, but don’t write a check your ass can’t cash. If you start something like that with me I’m damn sure gonna finish it and make sure your ass thinks real hard about trying to come for me again. People’s bias was revealed when sides were taken in this incident, and had the roles been reversed I could even imagine there being a lot of “we’ll El-Amin must have done something horrible to make that poor little guy hit him over the head with a chair”
This isn’t a revelation to me. It’s shit I have recognized for years in the gay community. And Xzamillo your admission shows that even amongst men of color, we often fall into the trap of assuming the worst based off of stereotypes. Even now some are trying to bend over backwards to still find more fault with El-Amin. So what El-Amin has a criminal record. What does that have to do with THIS particular situation? Miss me with all that.
Giancarlo85
@Captain Obvious: You are the failure. I have both a BA and MA in Political Science (with multiple classes in constitutional law). I have background in this subject. Are you still kissing up to straight white men in that hick town you live in?
@moldisdelicious: I do not care if Snipes is the biggest douchebag in the world and I do not care about your irrelevant and incoherent viewpoints on this matter. El Amin committed a felony and should be charged as such. Your views on of the guy deserved getting beaten up and hit with a chair is immaterial.
If this ended in a homicide, you guys would be totally silent.
Giancarlo85
@Captain Obvious: You are a huge embarrassment because you run off to a small town and live in the closet your whole life. Funny a little man like you can call others cowards… Hypocrisy.
Giancarlo85
@moldisdelicious: what a clown. You don’t know anything about the legal system. So how do you know? And stop trying to compare thos case to another one that is totally different. You are not the prosecutor and you know NOTHING about law.
Xzamilio
@Blackceo: Unfortunately, I tried to be someone who just called out wrong, regardless of race, but fed into the mob frenzy when the first video came out. Now that we see that El-Amin was attacked first, the story changes and Snipes was being incredibly dishonest with the account, claiming he was jumped (he wasn’t) and that El-Amin just attacked him out of nowhere (he didn’t). And you are right… whatever his criminal record is, is irrelevant to this matter, as he wasn’t the aggressor.
I just posted about this on my own personal blog, but more for myself than anything else, because when you’re wrong, you need to be able to admit it and have some integrity. And regardless of the vile and disgusting names I have been called by a certain person, my opinions are mine and when I’m wrong, I’m wrong. The end.
moldisdelicious
@Giancarlo85:
So youre gonna argue with me now like everyone else on this site. Aren’t you the same dude who was on Justusboys arguing with everyone, thinking you were better than everybody until your ass got ran off.
Good to see after all these years you’re still being a keyboard warrior/flux digital bully thinking you’re scaring somebody. Boy stop.
Giancarlo85
@moldisdelicious: No. I was not on that site.
You argue with everyone… So hypocritical a bit?
ButtStuff
@Giancarlo85: “I have both an MA and a BA…”
Why the fuck you lying, why you always lying.
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmohmygod.
Stop fuckin’ lying.
Giancarlo85
@ButtStuff: Why the fuck are you posting? An uneducated buffoon like you should just go beg for nickels at the local walmart… Too bad walmart wouldn’t even hire your stupid ass.
tomron
@Will Glitzern: Not only do I agree with your statement (although I think Mr. Snipes DOES have SOME explaining to do), I especially appreciate your questioning of the use of Pachelbel’s canon – my exact thoughts as I read and listened. HUH?!
moldisdelicious
@Giancarlo85:
Whatever the case, you aren’t hurting anybody’s feelings with your keyboard warrior shit. Feel free to disagree with me but you aren’t embarassing anybody besides yourself when you get over passionate over a difference of opinion where you’re going to war and forming arch nemesises on the form. Lol.
ChocolateThunder
Interesting how Queerty’s opinion has changed. You previously implied that it was all Bayna El-Amin’s fault. In fact, you outright mocked him.
Captain Obvious
@Giancarlo85: @Giancarlo85: You’re one strange little troll. I’ve never lived in a small town in my entire life and I’m not closeted. I’m pretty sure you’re closeted, deranged, and not from Brazil though. Keep making more things up.
@Xzamilio: You’re always wrong so get used to that. You get called what you get called because you’re always ready to throw black men under the bus in favor of white men, Uncle Tom.
You do it without fail every time. You kept choosing to direct stupid posts at me and now you cry because I shut you down for sport. Too bad, think before you come at me. You act like Raven Symone and you’re surprised when you get the same responses she does?
On your little blog you’re always whining about white people but on Queerty you’re always saying black people are at fault for literally everything gay people deal with. Straddle the fence harder. You’re not getting into the KKK no matter how much you bash black people and no gay white men are going to respect you for bashing people who look just like you.
Maybe when you grow up you’ll realize you don’t have to turn your back on black people just to fit in with white people. I’m sure you’ll be a token the day you find your backbone. If you need a reminder of what you look like maybe look at a picture of your mom before you post more ignorant comments about how black people are the devil. Or ask yourself how hard your parents would slap you across the face if they ever saw half the crap you post online.
Bob LaBlah
@Captain Obvious: My comment in regards to the videos that I posted were not meant to be humorous. I find these fights right out disgusting. My intentions were to show the aftermath of what happens when pipsqueaks (or those who can’t fight, if you will) don’t know when to shut the fuck up and pay the price.
Call me the old queen if you will but I don’t see anything funny at all about that girl and what she is doing. Did it occur to you that the lady she is screaming at incoherently at the tops of her lungs probably would not have been charged had she pulled out a gun and used it? That girl is out of control and the only thing she IS/DID succeed at is make me wonder if it is time to consider a conceal carry permit. My hands are not as fast as they used to be and I have seen fights involving gays where I knew I would have had a hard time putting that drugged out/drunk/ or simply crazy SOB in a dress and heels on his back. I have walked into bars and encountered queens who literally “ran” the place and got up and left, knowing those whores were what they were, jailhouse queens or worse yet, simply crazy.
No dear, I see no humor in that video you posted and wonder how/why you found that funny. We all have our problems but imagine if you have already been attacked once before or worse yet, you too are having a bad day and was that lady’s age. What do you think would have happened in THAT scenario? I think only a person with a perverted sense of humor would have laughed at ANY of these videos. The facts speak for themselves. That shit aint funny.
Giancarlo85
@moldisdelicious: Keyboard warrior, huh? That explains why you have typed and responded to far many more people on here than I havr. Anyways my break is over. Have whatever speculative chatter you want. I am not stopping you.
@Captain Obvious: What a liar. You were boasting about how you moved to a small town to change minds lol. I am totally out and not a closeted bigot like yourself. You are dangerously unhinged.
Xzamilio
@Bob LaBlah: Read, hunty. Read for filth.
Xzamilio
@Captain Obvious: Come at you? Who the hell do you think you are? You are the biggest insult to black people there is because you embody everything we need to move away from. You’re so damn quick to hurl vile insults at people without getting your damn facts straight, you denigrate my dark skin while hiding behind a white avatar, all while calling me ever Uncle Tom, Dick, and Harry in the book, and sit here having fun with violence as if that should be the immediate go-to for everything. You’re a simp. A bomb ass coward who has the audacity to shit on someone who doesn’t fall in line with every damn story about a black person as if there is a status quo we all have to adhere to. My black ass parents are proud of my black ass for making something of myself and not ending up another statistic in my old town. My black ass parents raised me to think for myself and not to be bullied by insecure trolls who think being black means being tribalist-like and defending every black person even though they are wrong.
I said I was wrong about El-Amin and I admit that I was wrong, and it doesn’t make me any weaker of a person for doing that. What makes you so weak is that even before I even commented (after reading) your obsessed ass was just waiting for me… how pathetic of a bottom-feeding hag do you have to be to be waiting for someone to post? Is my black on your brain that much? Because I promise you, aside from the buzzing of flies around your shit, you don’t come across my thinking anytime I post on here. You’re a loser… faceless, insecure piece of shit that is needs to take his ass to corner store and get to onion dip for that chip on his shoulder. You’ll keep tagging me in future posts, calling me all kinds of names, while lying about how much I hate my own race… but, I won’t acknowledge you, directly or indirectly from this point on. Life’s too short to be intimidated by the weak… I hope my dick’s big in all of those wet dreams you have about me… bye, babe.
SportGuy
So the truth finally came out that the two white queens with race issues started this whole situation and then tried to get people to feel sorry for them. From the beginning I had a feeling this was a race issue that they started and they they got what was coming to them. Maybe they will learn to keep their low iq, trashy mouth shut from now on.
Bob LaBlah
@Xzamilio…….no, dear. I am not reading anyone. Our opinions are our opinions. I am simply saying that some times cheering shit like that on is what gives these people their strength until some one has gotten the living shit slapped out of them. And then, as was the case of this video, a person (good samareten) notices what is going on, realizes some one is going to get hurt and intercedes only to end up being the one injured while those who started the shit don’t even offer to render assistance to the person.
The guy is older but had simply heard enough of these two young punks (the one in the stripped shirt does strike me as gay while his friend runs to the other end of the train). You judge for yourself.
The same for the guy with the Eight Ball jacket, who even had the women on The View saying the bitches he fought with had it coming. See for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgmhrcJ4M8A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTIAuj3pHgk
Bob LaBlah
@Xamilio……here is the other one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgmhrcJ4M8A
Xzamilio
@Bob LaBlah: I’m familiar with both.
Tackle
@Bob LaBlah: Ok! You posted (5) FIVE videos involving fights/fighting with Blacks in them. This I find odd, considering that this particular story, does NOT involved any Blacks. El-Amin, nor his BF, or Jonathan Snips or his BF are Black. What exactly are your motives?? And your obsession with Black people, or all things Black is troubling. Unlike others, I’m not amused by your postings. Of all the hundreds, if not thousands of fights on Youtube, you couldn’t find ANY involving Whites?
Captain Obvious
@Xzamilio: Literally didn’t read any of that, hope you had fun frantically typing it. I learned nothing you post is worth reading after our first discussion in which you were trying to throw black people under the bus as usual. 🙂
Bob LaBlah
@Xzamilio………Your response to some one else on this thread proves my point about having had enough. Even though we are in cyberspace one simply gets sick and tired of another one going on and on until they have had enough and unloads, one way or another. People will do things in a group (comment section) that they normally wouldn’t do if they were alone. Most people, that is. One can only hope the majority here are not the way in realtime life as they are on this thread.
Trust me, I have seen FIGHTS in the West Village, midtown Manhattan when Times Square was at its worst back in the 1980’s, and downtown L.A.’s skid row infamous Waldorf lounge. I have seen hand slapping incidents at Studio One and some serious wrestling and slinging each other around (“you shit, you fuck) at the Eagle and Melrose/Hollywood Spa baths but none of those topped the places where I saw FIGHTS. And I do add this one bar called Los Barrilito’s that was on Santa Monica blvd just west of Vine. Oh BABY, the fights that used to spill out into the streets at THAT place will stay etched in my mind forever.
Honey, believe me. Alexis Arguello/Roberto Duran didn’t have shit on a few of those little whores from Central America that used to hang out at that bar. It was during the time when the revolutions/wars were breaking out left and right down there and a few of them came here and came out as well. Me and a few friends have actually parked across the street and simply waited sometimes for the fights to begin, always within an hour of so of closing. I kid you not.
What I am getting at here is we all jump to conclusions based on what we are told until the truth is sorted out. In this case screaming Mimi got her ass beat and lied about what happened. It could have ended a lot more tragic than it has so far. Imagine had a cop who was having a bad day caught up with the guy in a dark hallway…….I’m sure you get my drift. I am wondering now what really happened that night in Philly. There is too much doubt about those “facts” in the Philly case now all thanks to this little lying ass whore.
JerseyMike
@Tackle: Thank you!!.. find it disturbing on so many levels.. I don’t know why they keep saying El-Amin is black..
Xzamilio
@Bob LaBlah: I get you. And then the person backs the hell down and runs away like a bitch when you challenge them, because they are weak. I try not to let stuff that trolls say on the internet get to me, but when individuals try to go for who you are and then call you all kinds of derogatory things that they would be up in arms over if someone else said them, it can get irritating. But, if I have people waiting for my opinion before I even give it, well damn… I’ve arrived!!!
I absolutely abhor fighting and consider it demeaning and childish. But El-Amin taught that dude a lesson I hope he never forgets, and hopefully the charges against him will be reduced, or the instigator (Jonathan Snipes) gets charged right along with him. I mean, you don’t know what is going on in the heads of some people, and maybe on any other day, he would have just laughed at the drunk queens and walked away. But, that clearly wasn’t his day and he was short on bullshit lol
Bob LaBlah
@Tackle: How does THIS sound? Since you TOO have access to youtube and, just like me, are not barred from this site why don’t you put up a few examples of YOUR point of view. And keep in mind, Mdm. NAACP, that I supported the guy defending himself. Don’t show your intelligence by just commenting on the videos that I posted. Show you know how to read AND reason and post a few of your own to stress your point, whatever the hell it is.
Point out where the videos I posted can’t be connected to the story and my comments about people having had enough of a smart ass that don’t know when to shut up, such as yourself.
Bob LaBlah
@JerseyMike: “I don’t know why they keep saying El-Amin is black..”
Had he been spotted walking down the street by two white NYC cops what race do you think he he sure as hell would have been considered as they jumped out of their car with guns drawn? And keep in mind as you are answering that question that I, ol’ Bob LaBlah, am the ol’ southern cracker here with your being the northern “hipster”.
Bob LaBlah
@Xzamilio……I honestly do think this little twerp would have filed the same report had the guy been white. She did it to be vindictive while too stupid to look at just WHO caused the entire incident.
Cyber bullying only works of the person who is being bullied allows it to work. I say fuck who ever don’t like me and I am sure by now that on every website I comment on the regulars know it. I can only imagine the number of fruitc…..on second thought I best not bring that up. Anyway dear just ignore those queens and keep being yourself, with is for the better. At least YOU know yourself and what and how you mean/translate what you say. I have never known you to be offensive to people.
Tackle
@Bob LaBlah: How does this fuck!ng sound. I’m too damned mature to be posting stupid ass videos from Youtube, that EVERONE has already seen, and that are NOT related to this case. You’re late to the party. Do you really think you are revealing something new? One would have been enough. But no, You like a crazy, obsessed with Black violence, gotta post over, and over again. And yes, not everyone is amused or fooled by your postings. You can always tell one of those R types, by their obsession with Blacks. Regardless of how they try and sugar coat it, even sometimes in the form of laughter or jokes…
Captain Obvious
Oh is that what was happening? Ugh. Kinda makes sense why Uncle Tom “Gibberishname” jumped on the bandwagon then.
Xzamilio
@Bob LaBlah: I try not to be. But you’re right… no point in trying to be everything for everyone and sucking their D like they validate my existence. Now, I do hope you and Tackle come to a common ground because you’re both fucking great with your commentaries on this site.
Captain Obvious
@Xzamilio: Blah blah blah we are the world until you see an article about black people and decide that all black people are homophobic again.
Bob LaBlah
What the hell is an “R” type? I don’t own an assault weapon or have a conceal/carry permit if you are talking republican in the south. Calm down, dear. Go back and read some old posts instead of trying to read me. Okaaaaaaaaaaayy (or however you used to say it at midnight down in the old meat packing district of Manhattan.
Giancarlo85
@Tackle: Don’t mind him. He always posts irrelevant youtube videos and most of what he posts doesn’t even make any sense.
Chris
From this video, it looks like Mr. Snipes started the altercation and, up through the smack down, it played itself out. Up to this point, I found myself thinking that he got what was coming to him for provoking the fight. Regardless the news, Mr. Snipes had no business taking his stress or upset out on Mr. El-Amin who seemed to be enjoying a quiet dinner at his own table.
HOWEVER, there seems to have been a break in the fight, during which time Mr. El-Amin seems to have picked up the chair, smashed it over Mr. Snipes and then he calmly walked out of the restaurant. If I were a prosecutor, I’d argue that during that lull, Mr. El-Amin could and should have walked away; at the very least, he should have refrained from escalating the fight. Whether a jury would accept that argument is not clear to me.
But then, I’m not a prosecutor. I’ll be interested in how this ends up; but my money is on no one pursuing any legal remedies.
solacesoul
@Captain Obvious: Your sudden pro-black stance at this thread is rather perplexing, considering just last month, you made your derision of other black people quite clear ln this thread about black gay men, complaining about their “perpetual state of victimhood” and making it clear that you would not date any black men:
http://www.queerty.com/guys-share-the-biggest-hurdles-they-face-being-gay-and-black-20151101
moldisdelicious
@solacesoul:
Good call. Dude is full of shit. Lol.
Tackle
@Xzamilio: Appreciate that! And I can come to common ground with most, if they admit they are wrong, and stop the offending acts…
Tackle
@Giancarlo85: Yes I might just do that. And so true about the irrelevant Youtube videos…
tom81
Looks like it is Queerty has some explaining to do.
Step 1: Run a salacious one side piece that uncritically takes the side of Snipes. Result: Sit back an watch the clicks and comments role in.
Step 2: When more complete video comes in that makes the case more complicated, shift the blame and gin up a race issue.
Result: Sit back an watch the clicks and comments role in.
Seems the moral of the story is wait for the facts to come in (the story is almost always more complicated) and leave the investigations to serious journalists and the courts.
Captain Obvious
@solacesoul: That’s called trolling because when I was being real a bunch of idiots I’m guessing you’re one of them decided to call me a liar about what goes on between dark skinned and light skinned people. That has what to do with this and how pathetic is your life that you would remember it? LOL
That said what does that have to do with you supporting the guy who supported a black man going to prison for the rest of his natural born life over a chair when he was hit in the face with a mystery object first?
You care quite a bit about who I bring in my house but not about a black man going to prison over something he didn’t start and you posted no support of him. Get a life, faggot.
@moldisdelicious: Because I trolled the hell out of people trolling me? I was being real, they had nothing to post about themselves, and did what black people typically do when you talk about black issues in front of white people: Lie.
Case in point: Bill Cosby. He called black people out for things we need to fix, what did all the black people who act the way he said do? They tossed his ass aside and couldn’t wait for some scandal to break so they could trash him.
I’m not full of shit, the people who bookmark crap for months over the internet are full of shit. What life does someone have if they bookmark this crap and link to obvious trolling? The only post that wasn’t trolling was the first or two.
If you ladies would like me to go back to posting every black poster here I can. The real Uncle Tom who bashes every black man in every article doesn’t get shit said to him. I said light skinned black men get treated a certain why by the black community and I got a lot of shit for it. I can go back to being a troll but you won’t like it. The r@cist trolls will eat it up though and I can make them VERY happy. Happier than @Xzamilio: with his fail internet blow jobs every time they’re bashing black men like the one they all can’t wait to see go to prison.
Captain Obvious
@moldisdelicious: You know it’s also kinda funny you would call me full of shit over the comments on one article when you’ve seen my ass here defending black men on this site while the others are totally silent or in Xzneaiei is busy bashing them. Maybe you’re full of shit? Or have alzheimers?
youarekiddingme
@Captain Obvious: @moldisdelicious: I really have to agree with most of what you are commenting on. The facts are that in most states (including New York) the incident started with a 2nd Degree Felony Assault (An Assault with a Weapon Causing Injury). This occurred as Snipes hit El Amin with a blunt object in the head. El Amin stood up and shoved Snipes to the ground (well within self-defense), while checking for anyone else to jump in. The second incident was another 2nd Degree Felony Assault (An Assault with a Weapon Causing Injury) when El Amin struck Snipes with the chair.
Everyone can second guess prosecution. The facts are that there were 2-like crimes committed. Snipes was the instigator of the entire incident (he made first physical contact). No prosecutor will EVER press charges against both sides in this matter. If anyone is “more” guilty here (by the information given)…it’s Snipes by making first physical assault/contact.
@Bryguyf69: Bryguyf69…Remember, you were a juror, not a judge or a prosecutor. You were told/read INSTRUCTIONS by someone who knows the law. You are not an expert. Nor am I. That’s why I read. Try reading the New York Criminal Statute. Just FYI…1st Degree Felony Assault is serious injury “…creates a substantial risk of death, or actually causes death, long term disfigurement, ill health, or loss or impairment of an organ.” A loose tooth, concussions, etc., do not fit the definition of “serious injury” as described in the law.
Captain Obvious
@youarekiddingme: I actually saw the guy’s “injury” in a picture, it’s seriously just a little cut on his head. There wasn’t even a knot. He’s just such a wimp that he fell down when the chair connected.
People are talking about how it was almost murder and stuff… you wouldn’t even know he got hit in the head with a chair. Meanwhile he also threw something from his head right into Mr. Amin’s head first so like you said I don’t see how he can play the victim. It’s exactly why he didn’t press charges.
I think this will end up getting thrown out because they would all including the state be opening themselves to heavy lawsuits.
Pretty much the entirety of the gay sites(and CBS which should know better) that falsely reported an unsubstantiated claim will most likely be successfully sued for liable which is what I believe he’s going after. Criminal history or not he’s gonna get a windfall… especially from CBS.
stranded
So if you lose a fight, even if you start it, you can claim assault. Personal responsibility is a thing of the past.
solacesoul
@Captain Obvious: Actually, I’ve never even once commented on this thread about the guilt or innocence of either party engaged in this fight. Don’t accuse me of doing or saying something I never did. My first and only comment at this thread was to correct the record about your earlier remarks about black people, which seemed quite at odds with your current comments. I remember them sharply because it is one of the very few times I’ve ever commented on this site. I remember your comments about light and dark skin black men vividly because I remarked that, as a very light-skinned black man myself, I did not have those negative experiences that you claim every light/skinned black man experiences from darker-skinned black men. So, congratulations, your bizarre admitted trolling has made you somewhat memorable to a few people on Queerty. You’re a star troll in your head. Quel fait accompli! Yay, you.
Xzamilio
@solacesoul: I think I’m falling in love with you. But if you’re black, ewww, I hate that, apparently.
Xzamilio
And I’m confused… who’s the guy that supported El-Amin going to prison for his natural born life? Who’s the black guy bashing EVERY black male on this site? Because we can comb through all of my comments on this site and shut this sensitive troll up once and for all. I call BS where I see it, regardless of color, and if I’m proven wrong, I have enough integrity to admit it and learn from it. I said I was done with you @Captain Obvious but now I’m challenging your ass. Look for every comment I have made on an article concerning a man of color where I bashed the entire black male population. I dare you… because now your obsession with me and everything I say is borderline creepy (but still flattering). What black man have I called Uncle Tom? F*ggot? Told them to choke on a chode, or whatever the fuck your dumb ass said? You see, unlike you, I actually am sexually attracted to black men, and want better for those who look like me. Unlike you, I didn’t let my past experiences with being called ugly, crunchy, leave me with a chip on my shoulder.
It doesn’t feel good when people misinterpret your intentions, does it? And that’s why your pro-black ass with a white avatar is backtracking on what you said on that page. And if you notice, I actually replied to you on that one… was I trolling you? Nope… I was in agreement with you.
“@Captain Obvious: Fuck. Now I feel like a hypocrite because I’m not gonna lie… there was many a day I wanted to forgo black guys altogether because of the negativity surrounding hangups on skin color. I can tell you now, I’ve never been ugly or “yo crunchy black ass” from more people than my own damn race. In fact, I have never been called ugly or had my skin color negatively addressed by other individuals (I’m sure they’re waiting though). And the light skinned portion of the black race does get a lot of shit… they’re labeled as soft, or not “black enough” or stuck up because of how “pretty” they are. There is a lot of self-policing that needs to be done. I’m not gonna say “the black community” because we’re not a fucking herd of sheep lol”
That’s what I said. Now, please tell me what I said in there that was bashing black men… point to ANY fucking comment I made on THAT page that was bashing black men. Fuck off… and when you “don’t” read this, I’ll be waiting. I guess those white guys you were pining after don’t want your ass anymore and we are your consolation prize, huh?
Captain Obvious
@Xzamilio: Lil girl I don’t bookmark your dumb ass posts. And here you are making up a bunch of dumb strawman arguments like I’m the topic of this article that you’re helping your Uncle Tom boyfriend derail which could help a black man defend himself against two white men lying against him. You’re a n|gger through and through, dumb faggot. I didn’t read any of that drivel you’re posting about bring up old sh|t I said once already was trolling people because I was being real and they weren’t. Now you’re trying to use it as a weapon because you literally had nothing to come back at me with on topic. What a loser lmao.
@solacesoul: Not reading anything you’re posting. You’re purposely derailing an article that could save a black man’s life because you’re just a dumb r@cist faggot like the other little kid in this thread. You bookmarked some obvious trolling and came out of the blue with it what a month or two later to use it as a weapon because you have no life at all. Keep posting it and I’ll keep laughing at how pathetic you are because it’s the only article you have to go on. Every article in my posting history shows me defending black men but here you are using one I trolled the few who decided to be little bitches.
At the end of the day all you two are doing is confirming how badly I make you cry if you have to hold on to some internet sh|t for months and dredge it up when you have nothing else to post on topic. Loser doesn’t even really define either of you. You’re basically basement dwellers at this point trying this hard to document a random anonymous person online and get “revenge”. Pathetic.
Bob LaBlah
@Tackle: Dear, my posts were relevant to the conversation. I don’t know if you are new here but that instigating little whore you are siding with IS going to put her unwashed ass in your face the first chance she gets. Just be patient and see and don’t be surprised when she does.
Something like this would be considered irrelevant. I’m sure you can relate, enjoy and get jealous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Njzz6H7gUV4
Xzamilio
@Captain Obvious: Not only did you read it, you responded to it. I’m assuming you must have light ass skin, because even over the computer with NO profile pic, you’re pretty damn transparent… and a sensitive bitch. Now you’re throwing out the N word and F word, and I’m honestly surprised Queerty hasn’t flagged your vulgar ass, but N and F away, because those words don’t phase me… not from pro-black white avatar and not bonafide bigoted jerks. I challenged you, you didn’t accept. You’re a coward. You’re a simpleton. You got called out and instead of having integrity, you just wallow in the wrong, so full of shit, my plants have sprouted buds… and it’s not even the season for them to grow.
Damn, everybody’s an Uncle Tom, huh? You’re the one that’s trolling… before I was even on this page, my name was in your mouth… and you have the nerve to say I’M sensitive? The nerve to say I derailed the topic of the article? YOU STARTED IT!!! I came here fully contrite and ready to admit my wrong, but YOU decided to start in… and now the shit’s back on you, and you wanna cry victim?
Gone, Girl… Begone all the way.
Xzamilio
@Captain Obvious: You’re full of garbage. This thread thoroughly demonstrated that. And now, I can peacefully wash my hands of you and return to my regular scheduled programming…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qou5M98MLV4
Bob LaBlah
@Xzamilio………….My DEAR, you are creative. I loved that vid you posted and sure as hell will remember it. lol
Thanks honey, you made my day with that one.
Xzamilio
@Bob LaBlah: The reading glasses are on.
I keep trying to leave the game, but the game won’t let me.
Bob LaBlah
@Xzamilio……LOL….you are too much. I love people who can think outside of the box. That’s why you are so disliked, just as I am. lol
Captain Obvious
@Xzamilio: Cry more n|gger. Your tears make me happy. Funny you teamed up with Bob who mold said was being r@cist and you totally ignored it as usual. But when I call you what you are and you definitely are you cry. I don’t actually read your posts I just see you reply to me and can get you again. I love it.
Any Uncle Tom like you is a n|gger. Your fail blog where you talk to yourself with 0 comments all day is hilarious. Do you have any social life or just comments sections and your dumb diary blog?