Joe Rogan is doing serious damage control after Spotify announced it would be adding content warnings and disclaimers to certain podcasts after two musical legends pulled their music from the platform in protest of the shock jock.
Deadline reports folk singer Joni Mitchell joined rock icon Neil Young in pressing Spotify to remove their music, citing Rogan’s COVID-19 vaccine conspiracy theories and misinformation.
Both singers survived polio as children and take a hard line against any anti-vaccine rhetoric.
Last week, reports also emerged that Barry Manilow would join Young in pulling his music from Spotify, though the singer dispelled that rumor over the weekend.
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In response to Mitchell and Young, Spotify CEO Daniel Ek released a statement over the weekend saying that the platform would begin to add disclaimers and content warnings to podcast episodes about COVID-19.
Though Ek’s announcement didn’t cite Rogan by name, no other podcast on the platform has come under the same amount of criticism for the spread of false information regarding the virus.
That same day Elk released the statement, Rogan took to Instagram to issue an apology of sorts to both musicians, saying he felt “very sorry” to have offended them.
“I most certainly don’t want that,” Rogan said in response to Young and Mitchell pulling their music from the platform.
He went on to claim that what he says on his podcast is “not that prepared or fleshed out” and thanked Spotify for “being so supportive during this time and I’m very sorry that this is happening to them.”
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“If there’s anything that I’ve done that I could do better, it’s having more experts with differing opinions right after I have the controversial ones,” the host said.
Regarding disclaimers being added to his show, he admitted: “I would most certainly be open to doing that. And I would like to talk to some people who have differing opinions on the podcasts in the future. I do all the scheduling myself and I don’t always get it right.”
“I don’t know what else I can do,” he concluded.
Rogan’s misinformation, however, extends far beyond off-the-cuff remarks.
He’s hosted a number of medical “experts” who have claimed the COVID-19 vaccine is ineffective against the virus, and that the dangers of the pandemic are overstated to control the public.
He also promoted the use of ivermectin as a treatment for the virus, which has been proven ineffective and even dangerous.
In response to Rogan’s misinformation, 270 scientists, professors, doctors, and healthcare workers penned an open letter earlier this month calling on Spotify to take action in curbing the spread.
In addition to Neil Young and Joni Mitchell’s actions, Prince Harry and Megan Markle released a statement citing their concerns over COVID-19 misinformation being spread on Spotify, though the two did not mention Rogan by name. The pair have a reported $25 million deal in place to produce podcasts with the steaming giant.
Last week, Spotify’s stock plummeted. The company has almost 25% of its value so far in 2022.
Related: It looks like shock jock Joe Rogan might be in deep trouble with Spotify
Mister P
There really aren’t opposing viewpoints when it comes to public health. He makes his money off bringing on crackpots who say things that go against common sense and good public health measures.
This is life and death not a popularity contest or battle of words.
davejoyner
So when you say quacks do you understand that he actually had on people that made the vaccine? He said people that actually made the vaccine on his show he said some of the top doctors in the world on his show so how are they quacks exactly? And I love how they make fun of Joe Rogan but the advice he gave to people that had Covid took exactly what he told them to take and got better so how is that miss information? Ask Aaron Rodgers he took what he told him to take and got better immediately everyone dead so that’s not misinformation that’s just your side‘s opinion and you lost one of your own Joe Rogan was a Democrat not any longer
Den
“but the advice he gave to people that had Covid took exactly what he told them to take and got better so how is that miss information? ”
You obviously do not know the difference between an anecdote (what the right wing and the science ignorant use to arouse fear and manipulate others) and empirical examination (what actual science is based on). When you look at a statistically significant number of those who took ivermectin, the rate of recovery is no different from that of a control group. That means NO CONCLUSION REGARDING THE EFFICACY OF IVERMECTIN CAN BE DRAWN.
Den
“so how are they quacks exactly?”
If people are making claims without empirical evidence to back them up, they are quacks. If they have websites either selling supposed remedies, or financial interests in unproven medicines, they are quacks. And scam artists. All actual evidence clearly demonstrates the mortality in those who are unvaccinated is currently between 15 and 20 times higher than among the vaccinated. That means something. The severity of illness among the unvaccinated is twice as likely to put them in the hospital than the severity of illness among those far less likely to even become ill because they are vaccinated. That means something. And that something is THE VACCINES WORK. This is not opinion, and having a contrary opinion without empirical support is stupidity or denial.
queertysucksbigdick
Acting like all medical information is exact science and that a consensus has been made is ridiculous. To bad Joe Rogan wasn’t around to interview Pfizer about opiates and long term effects back in the day, maybe we wouldn’t have a nation in decline. Try asking 3 doctors the same questions and getting the same prognosis. Medical mishaps are an EXTREMELY common occurrence. Nothing that has been said about Covid by anyone hasn’t been walked back, changed, adjusted, been proven inaccurate, evolved..
Why can’t you just all accept you are brainwashed into wanting silence from the opposing party, you enjoy control over speech because of psychological issues, you have deep seated issues from a former Republican interaction, and that the mainstream opinions have twisted you into thinking Joe Rogan is a right wing nut when that couldn’t be further from the truth?
Ask yourself, do you REALLY care if the unvaxxed die, or is that your pretend reason for not allowing “misinformation”? There’s been zero proof that omicron came from the unvaxxed, so that’s not a reason either. Look around and read the room. Is the side demanding silence, being fired, being publicly shamed etc the side you want to be on?
therealbkg
Ok obviously you are not familiar with Joe Rogan and his pod cast. The reason his podcast is successful is simple. He does have on people with way different voew points than his and different from the norm is. And he built all this on being who he is. Not selling out not washing down his opinions or what he thinks to make snowflakes happy. That is why he is dangerous to the powers that be and why they will use this to try to shut him down what this world needs today is more people who can hold a conversation with someone who does look at things differently and not result to name calling and stuff like that.
Bosch
@queertysucks “Why can’t you just all accept you are brainwashed into wanting silence from the opposing party,”
Lies aren’t an “opposing party”. Dr Malone invented numbers and facts to support his fearmongering. That’s not a “medical mishap”, that’s a media whore doctor lying to get a bit of fame, regardless of the consequences for the rest of us.
As soon as you turn this medical issue into a political issue, you’ve lost. You’re an idiot if you let your health-related decisions be driven by politics. Do GOP politicians look f*cking healthy to you?
NateOcean
davejoyner: Read up on using punctuation. Most of what you have written is incomprehensible.
matt86
For those people that think ivermectin doesn’t work… there’s multiple studies that show it does and even a peer reviewed one out of Brazil!
Search Scott Hecker If the government experts were covering something up would that mean that they are wrong?
search – “Leaked military documents show that ivermectin “works throughout all phases” of covid.
The government knows and knew it worked. They killed people.
TheDefiler
Dave Joyner, what you’re describing is a logical fallacy that goes back to Classical Rhetoric — Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc — “after that because of that”. Rodgers getting better may or may not have had anything to do with ingesting Ivermectin or Gatorade or bird poop, etc etc. These hypotheses are evaluated by statistical methods and ideally must have bench science explaining in detail the chain of biological mechanisms that explain the treatments’ efficacy. Ivermectin has a few links in the causal chain, but forget theory’s only being strong as their weakest link…in the Ivermectin case there are several links that are plain non-existent.
Den
“There’s been zero proof that omicron came from the unvaxxed, so that’s not a reason either. Look around and read the room. Is the side demanding silence, being fired, being publicly shamed etc the side you want to be on?”
Viruses mutate when they have the opportunity to spread widely. That opportunity is given by the unvaccinated, both the stupid right wingers (like you) and the poorer nations who cannot afford to vaccinate a willing population (that is obviously not stupid like you). You demonstrate that you have no idea how science works and how it differs from superstition and dogma.
Cam
@davejoyner
Except you’re lying. Rogan himself admitted he didn’t have people on with opposing views, and you’re lying that he had on people who created the vaccine.
But it’s cute you Rogan trolls scan Google alerts for any articles about him, then come in and try to lie.
radiooutmike
Sadly, you used to have listen to the AM overnight shift to get this quackery. So, that kind of self-selected followers. Podcasts not so much.
Cam
If somebody as prone to tantrums and anger as Joe Rogan is trying to come out and do damage control, it sounds like Spotify is in trouble.
Also, Rogan’s offer is to “Both Sides” his dangerous medical lies? Yeah……no thanks.
MiamiJoe1
Cam.. be honest.. not with me, I don’t lie to myself.. have you actually seen and watched Joes podcasts? When the hell has he ever lost his patience? Are you parroting someone? Are you a parrot?
Cam
@MiamiJoe1
Sweetie, if you’re trying to pretend you aren’t the same old troll under a new screename, probably a good idea to vary up your writing style somewhat.
But it’s cute to see how much space I take up in your brain.
Jim
The fact of the matter is that Spotify makes more on podcasts then streaming music. So Rogan’s job is safe.
The fact that he’s willing to mislead people to the detriment of their health shows that he and Spotify are greedy assh*les
queertysucksbigdick
No one, no one.. thinks Joe Rogan is a doctor. Joe Rogan isn’t anti vax. Joe Rogans doctor prescribed him ivermectin, and he got well extremely quickly from the Delta variant. Why is this such a FKN issue with Dems? Because you’re insane.
Cam
@queertysucksbigdick
Except you’re lying.
Creamsicle
There’s a lot of objectionable podcasts on Spotify that need a serious disclaimer added to them. I like podcasts and sample a new one every month. I recently tried on called The Maintenance Phase that’s ironically named, because it’s a couple of Fat Activists trying to convince people that overweight and obesity is healthy, in the middle of a global pandemic where the overweight and obese are getting severe illness and even dying at a statistically significantly higher rate than healthy weight people.
There are also a LOT of podcasts where hetero people casually throw the word Fa**ot around.
50 50
Spotify has chosen a lead talent, just like most major media brands do, whether it’s a Rachel Madden or Tucker Carlson or Oprah, and it will now be judged by that choice.
Sticking with music would have been more neutral but less profitable.
GreekKeys
To date, Rogan’s program has over 9.1M subscribers on YouTube and receives an estimated 190M downloads per month. How’s Queerty doing?
MychalJW
7 Million page views a month on their website, 5 million unique visitors a month for Queerty… and is that right about Rogans download figures? 190M downloads with only 9 Million subscribers? That fails the smell test. More than half the country?
MychalJW
Just as a check, Nielsen indicates Rogans reach per show is about 11 million views. not 190. 11 Million is still huge though as its far more than any Cable News show.
cc423
This has nothing to do with anything… although your useless point does underscore a major point — a lot of people are listening to his lies and misinformation and will make dangerous health choices based on that information.
Bosch
“There are more douchebags than there are gay people” is not a good brag.
davejoyner
9.1 mill? There’s no way it’s way more than that he has like half the country watching his podcast all the time it’s so funny he was one of the Democrats favorite people in life and now they hate him just because he said he took medication that worked it’s absolutely beyond all human understanding
Mack
The people of Germany supported Adolph Hitler but that doesn’t make him a good man.
Den
“Democrats favorite people in life and now they hate him just because he said he took medication that worked it’s absolutely beyond all human understanding”
Perhaps distaste for those who cynically spread misinformation for personal gain, and in opposition to actual scientific understanding is beyond YOUR understanding; but it is hardly beyond the understanding of those who know the difference between speculation and wishful thinking, and empirical research. And It would not surprise me at all if most of those with an understanding of science, epidemiology, the efficacy of vaccination and the importance of public health are Democrats. We tend to be better educated, more engaged socially and less selfish than Republicans (who seemingly get bent out of shape when asked to observe the simplest and least difficult public health suggestions intended to save their own health and lives…because FREEDUMB!!).
MiamiJoe1
LOL.. LMAO… HAAAA! I don’t know, but you’d think since they know f****king everything they’d be doing ok! Thanks for laugh… needed that!
Cam
Interesting that the same troll account that always comes in here to defend bigots and blame the victims is so invested in defending Rogan.
Kinda lets us know where Rogan stands.
bachy
Rogan is like the people-pleasing pretty girl spinning on a barstool so that she doesn’t show her back to anyone for too long. I’ve heard him neg both liberal and conservative viewpoints. Spin, spin, spin, pretty girl! But are you so hungry for conservative approval that you are willing to endanger a suffering public during a worldwide pandemic?
MiamiJoe1
Endanger the what the what? Hey.. you fool, prohibiting free speech is the fastest, most efficient way to f*** everyone’s life up. Who are you kidding? Have you seen CNN lately? It’s non stop opinionated BS… a lot of it misinformation.. and they should continue unabated, because in the end everyone gets their say. Since we did America’s not have the right to publicly interview someone?! Since are you held responsible for the statements of another person? WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!
Cam
@MiamiJoe1
There is no “right to be o Spotify” in the Constitution. That’s the free market. If it isn’t good for business to have Rogan on, they dump him. Funny how you right wingers actually really hate the Constitution.
SamB
Did everyone forget that Neil young said, “You go to a supermarket an you see a f****t behind the register, you don’t’ want him to handle your potatoes” Melody Magazine Sept 1985.
And Joni did bl@ck face and still has that image on one of her album covers.
Bosch
That’s true. But Neil Young gave us an apology in the form of a song, “Philadelphia”, which served as the title song to the movie of the same name. He donated the proceeds to AIDS causes.
That exact situation is one of the reasons he has an issue with medical misinformation. medical research in America, like much research in the past, was funded by the church and church-adjacent groups.
The people were told that AIDS was a specifically gay disease, created by men having sex with eachother. They were also told it was airborne, so you’ll find advertisements in conservative publications urging people to wear masks. Yup, they wore masks for AIDS. Isn’t that ironic, considering how they refuse now?
And Joni Mitchell in “blackface”, she was dressed as Kris Griffith’s for Halloween. Not as a charicaturw, but as an hommage. You see, in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s, we briefly believed that painting ourselves as eachother was no longer offensive. We thought we had move past it. That’s why we had the movie White Chicks and no one got cancelled.
The ironic thing about this smear campaign is that it started in right-wing channels. I’m glad they’re suddenly so pro-gay and anti-blackface.
But it’s misplaced. Neil Young evolved on human sexuality, and Joni Mitchell was never a racist.
And none of this issues are related to the spread of deadly misinformation in this pandemic. It’s sweet that you want to defend your mancrush Rogan, but he’s not the villain in this story. Dr Malone is. And it’s Dr. Malone’s bullcrap that is affecting Rogan’s reputation.
Rogan says dumb things, so what?
A doctor spreads lies because he’s a fame-hungry media whore? That’s bad news. And this isn’t a debate, I will link you to a medical factchecker with REAL sources that refute Dr Malone’s lies. Stop defending him.
barryaksarben
Joni Mitchel has apologised for the blackface and she had and survived polio so she would understand the need for accurate vaccine information. Jo says he doesnt know what else he can do. HE could get ACTUAL scientists who have studied airborned illnesses and vaccines efficacy instead of the idiots he has had on who do their research in the sci fi section of the internet
SamB
Bosch: Writing a song for a movie with gay themes is nothing. He has never apologized, period. There is no reason to believe he has evolved on that issue. As far as donating the profits, there’s no proof, just some people claim he does that.
Joni did blackface in 1976, and it was definitely not acceptable back then. She even performed as this “alter ego”. I have no idea who Kris Griffith is but she said she saw a guy on the street and decided to dress like him. She looked like a stereotypical pimp. Even after she put that alter ego to bed, she still continued to tell journalists that she has the mind of a black man and poet, even when everyone else was rolling their eyes at her.
SamB
barry: Joni has never apologized, she continues to this day say she has the soul of a black man and that’s why she did it.
The guy Rogan was interviewing is a scientist. Dr Robert Malone. He’s a virologist, discussing the virus.
cliche guevara
So all I get from your comment is that you don’t know who either Neil Young or Joni Mitchell are and you are mindlessly repeating what you read on a right wing website. Further the line of attack is a. Ad hominem fallacy. A double fail on your part.
How do I know you don’t know who they are? Bosh is incorrect, Young didn’t write Streets of Philadelphia. That was written by Bruce Springsteen who is, as his name would suggest, a totally different person. But yet you argued the relevance of the song none the less.
You are truly a special color of stupid. As we say in the south, bless your heart.
Bosch
“just some people claim he does that.” Huh? You realise some of us were around in the 80s already?
Well I was wrong about the name of the musician, I can’t find it. But you and I both know what American “blackface” looks like, and that is not it. That is a costume and a disguise, not a charicature. The only racist thing here is you calling it a “stereotypical pimp”. This is how people in the 70s dressed.
And I’m sorry you weren’t around when it was briefly less offensive. You think White Chicks and Tropic Thunder and the Chappelle Show would fly today? They would not. But we were t angry about them back then. America and American media consuming cultures are traumatized, and everyone is pissed off, and that’s one of the reasons you are succeptible to rightwing conspiracies and sentiments.
Bosch
No cliche, not “streets of Philadelphia” by springsteen. Just “Philadelphia” by Neil young.
City of brotherly love
Place I call home
Don’t turn your back on me
I don’t want to be alone
Philadelphia
Bosch
OMFG Sam. Did I just see you defend Dr Malone again? You are such a lost cause. I’m sorry I ever tried talking sense into you.
davejoyner
I certainly remember that but what’s funny is most people under the age of 40 have no idea who Neil Young or Joni Mitchell are but people above that age know exactly who they are but I don’t think no one really cares that they took their music off Spotify because Joe Rogan has the right to do what he’s doing especially when he tells people to take a medication that worked on him and worked on others not to mention having some of the worlds top doctors on his show including some of the people who actually made the vaccine again
cliche guevara
@bosch
You have confused Bruce Springsteen and Neil Young. Springsteen did Streets of Philadelphia and has been a long time advocate for LGBTQ+ rights. More recently he canceled his shows in North Carolina and refused to play there while the bathroom law was in effect.
That SamB didn’t know Young from Springsteen certainly points out how little me knows about Neil Young and how much he is blindly repeating what he is told rather than attempting to actually educate himself before speaking. Had he done that he would know Young had Polio as a child as did Mitchell and that is why both feel vey strongly about the subject. Their pro science and pro medicine stances are literally nothing new.
SamB
Cliche: LOL Looks like you don’t know who wrote what. Springsteen wrote “Streets of Philadelphia” for the same movie. Young wrote “Philadelphia” LOL
Who’s a special color of stupid?
Bosch: I was around in the 70’s and 80’s. The movie came out in 93 though. And most I’ve ever gotten to proof that he actually donates the money from the song is a few quotes from friends of his. He has never said anything about it.
Citing “White Chicks” and “Tropic Thunder” and Dave Chappelle… 1. was white face. 2. was a satire and RDJ’s character was ridiculed in the movie for doing it. 3. Dave Chappelle is black and is a comedian.
Bosch
You’ve been around since the 70s and still you can’t recognize when a doctor is a quack? Even though he jnvents numbers and statistics? Even though all his claims can be refuted by data that the whole world has access to? Even though none of his research partners, such as Dr Felgner, have confirmed any of his wacky claims?
Honestly. I thought it was bad enough when you tried convincing me that Oxford Dictionary and its historical examples were wrong, but I just assumed it was because you were young.
Bosch
Cliche, “Streets of Philadelphia” and “Philadelphia” are two different songs. How could I comfuse the two? Springsteen sounds like dusty Americana and Neil Young sounds like a choirboy.
SamB
Bosch: “Even though he jnvents numbers and statistics? Even though all his claims can be refuted by data that the whole world has access to? Even though none of his research partners, such as Dr Felgner, have confirmed any of his wacky claims?” That’s a lot to say with nothing to back it up. If it’s true none of his research partners agree with him, that doesn’t bother me because many other scientists do. People have disagreement all the time.
SamB
Davejoyner: That’s exactly it. He can have whoever he wants on his show to discuss whatever he’s interested in. If someone doesn’t agree, then pass… there is no reason to try and shut him down. But you’re also right that no one cares if Young or Mitchell are on Spotify.
Bosch
But honey, I do have something to back it up. Scroll down a bit and you’ll see I posted a link to a very in-depth analysis of his claims, WITH all sources included, hyperlinked at the spot where they are referenced. It also includes the sources that Dr Malone misinterprets and misrepresents, so that you can see for yourself how he twists conclusions.
For the life of me I can’t understand why you’re defending that doctor. My guess is that you have a political motivation, rather than a will to know the truth.
SamB
Bosch: Politically I’m really just right of centre. My motivation in this case is to try and keep censorship to a minimum. Joe’s not doing anything to cause the downfall of human civilization. He talked about what he did when he got sick, he was not advocating for it, he was just stating what he did. If you think he’s stupid don’t tune in. Once it gets to a point where people are actively destroying people because they don’t like what they said is madness. Once you start censoring people, and yes, it’s censorship, then what’s next? What’s happening now is that there is only one acceptable narrative and if you step away you are an enemy of the state.
There is a precedent set where we were told one thing by the “experts” only for them to say “no no, what we meant is really this” Plus what Rogan said in his vid clip, previously people were banned on social media for suggesting it was lab made, but now it’s fine to mention.
Bosch
PS – I found where you got the idea that the people dying from COVID had three or more pre-existing conditions. What you either failed to mention or failed to see, is that this statistic is about vaccinated people. The vaccinated who die tend to have multiple preexisting conditions. This is not the case for the unvaccinated. So really you just found proof of the vaccine’s efficacy.
Bosch
But Sam, I’m not complaining about Rogan. I’m complaining about Malone. You are one click away from seeing with your own eyes that Malone is a liar. Yet, you prefer to remain lied to.
I can’t talk to you anymore. You discard information because of your politics, and as someone who isn’t American, I can’t understand nor sympathise with that kind of paradigm.
And if you’re really as old as you say you are, then your attitude towards these subject is even more shocking.
Bosch
“Once you start censoring people, and yes, it’s censorship, then what’s next? ”
In most first world countries, it’s illegal to spread medical misinformation. Medical misinformation is not self expression, it’s not a religion, it’s not politics, it’s not art. It is a public health risk. It’s the same kind of “free speech” as having a Sesame Street episode telling kids to play Russian roulette.
Actually, that’s exactly what all this medical misinformation is. Telling idiots to play Russian roulette.
I stopped caring riiiiight…. Now.
Den
“The guy Rogan was interviewing is a scientist. Dr Robert Malone. He’s a virologist, discussing the virus.”
He offers not one shred of empirical data or links to journal articles on his website. AND THE PURPOSE OF THE WEBSITE IS TO SELL SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS. Just because he earned a medical degree at one time and did successful research does not make his unsupported and perhaps imaginary fears real. To claim the vaccines are either dangerous or ineffective one must produce data, not just word salads, regardless of how carefully spiced the dressing is.
SamB
Bosch: They were keeping stats long before we were all “fully” vaccinated, even though that term is in constant revision.
Medical misinformation is a doctor or medical/pharmaceutical company making claims that are not true.
Some talking about being sick and what they did to feel better is not “medical misinformation,”
A known specialist in the field giving results of his research, is not medical misinformation. I notice too that the media and everyone who hates him, provides no proof that he’s lying, and now they’re purposely hiding his credentials by saying “he didn’t invent mRNA, he was part of a group that did it” and wikipedia used to have him listed as a “pioneer” of mRNA, but now they changed it to “early work focused on mRNA…” so they’re slowly trying to destroy his credentials.
Where are you from?
Bosch
“Medical misinformation is a doctor or medical/pharmaceutical company making claims that are not true.”
You have to be pulling my leg. I have supplied proof that this is exactly what Malone is doing, but you don’t give a sh*t.
You know he’s lying, but you don’t care. You like the lie, because it’s the opposite of what you perceive to be “leftist” beliefs. You don’t understand that you can be against censorship and still be aware that Malone is a lying grifter. Malone is the one that’s f*cking up Rogan’s podcast. Malone is the one who’s besmirching Rogan’s career. Malone is the one you should be mad at.
I don’t care, Sam. Play by the edge of the cliff if that’s your fancy.
Bosch
“I notice too that the media and everyone who hates him, provides no proof that he’s lying”
What is it Sam? Short term memory problems or reading comprehension problems? How many times have I mentioned where to find the proof? Here, since scrolling down a page is so darn challenging for you:
healthfeedback dot org/claimreview/robert-malone-misleading-unsubstantiated-claims-covid-19-safety-efficacy-vaccines-joe-rogan-experience-spotify-podcast/
SamB
Bosch: You have to look at the source of that article. Health feedback is a member of the WHO-led project Vaccine Safety Net. Do you trust the WHO? An organization that has repeatedly lied to the world? Hid the fact that covid was rampant in China at least in November 2019!! The WHO is not a credible organization, and anything associated with them is just as crooked.
Bosch
I knew it. It lists ALL the sources so you can verify them, but you think that it’s all made up.
Even though it also links to the sources Malone used.
It’s mor likely to you that all this is a lie, all these different non-WHO sources, but Malone is telling the truth.
I can’t even handle how ridiculous you are. Stop tricking me into replying to your stupid, ridiculous comments with your ridiculous stupidity.
SamB
Bosch: These are the “studies” they referenced: A Twitter thread. The Zoe Covid Study, which is an app. An article from the NYTimes. And a LOT of their own studies.
The topic of menstruation was brought up by Malone saying, “Think twice about giving these jabs to your kids, among other things. Your girls are born with all the eggs they will ever have. And these lipids are going to the ovaries, and they appear to be affecting menstruation in some way.” They called the comment “misleading” but then the sources used claim that women who have had the vaccine HAVE had some issues with their periods after. That doesn’t qualify as “affecting menstruation in some way?”
What I would like to see is Malone sit with another scientist with the opposing opinion so they could hash it out but for some reason that’s not happening.
Bosch
Way to cherry pick. Also, you really suck at reading.
“Contrary to Malone’s claim, the data clearly showed that the largest concentration of lipid nanoparticles remained at the injection site. In contrast, the peak concentration in the ovaries was only 0.095% of the administered dose.
Some women did indeed report changes in menstrual cycles after COVID-19 vaccination, including longer, heavier, or more painful bleeding. Because vaccine safety trials generally don’t evaluate menstrual irregularities, data about the potential effect of the COVID-19 vaccines in menstruation was lacking.”
Bosch
“What I would like to see is Malone sit with another scientist with the opposing opinion so they could hash it out but for some reason that’s not happening.”
Because Malone isn’t interested in helping people or debating. He’s interested in faaaaaame. Have you seen how many podcasts and talkshows he’s been on lately? Faaaaaame! Have you seen that his website is all about bookings and not about science? Faaaaaame! How can you be more than 4 decades old and not recognize a snake oil salesman. Ridiculous.
Den
“The Zoe Covid Study, which is an app.”
DAMN, you are simpleminded!
The Zoe Covid Study is not “an app”, it is a study of a huge cohort on two continents that has enabled the study of predominant symptoms, the spread of varients, the efficacy of and side effects of vaccines, long Covid, spread through populations and more. There is an app that enables so many people to easily participate, but to say it IS an app is shockingly stupid. It is one of two long term cohort studies I participate in because I prefer science and sound public health policy to the paranoia and willful ignorance you seem to prefer. Nobody is trying to control you with vaccines and masks child, they are just trying to keep the numbers of sick and dead people as low as possible. It is telling that the highest rates of illness and death per capita are in counties that lean right! Even the more contagious omicron varient has not changed that significantly.
SamB
Den: if you think an app is science then you should buddy up with Clicheguevera.
Den
“Den: if you think an app is science then you should buddy up with Clicheguevera.”
Sorry to see you have rather extreme reading comprehension, and memory problems. Very sad. YOU are the one who said Zoe Covid “is an app”. Not me, child. I corrected you about that. And explained what Zoe Covid is and how it works. So pitiful that even the simplest things seem to complicated for your little mind. You cannot even understand that the associated app simply makes it easier for a huge cohort to provide information for epidemiological analysis (hope those last few words are not too big for you to read).
Cam
AAaaaand the right wing troll account, switches screenames and DESPERATELY tries to deflect and take the topic off of Lying anti-vaxxer Joe Rogan.
SamB
Den: This is from the Zoe Covid website: This app can provide the healthcare system with critically valuable information. This app-based study is a way to find out where the COVID hot spots are, new symptoms to look out for, and might be used as a planning tool to target quarantines, send ventilators and provide real-time data to plan for future outbreaks.
App-based study.
There are not enough controls around it to be reliable. Anyone could put in any symptom they want whether it’s true or not.
Fahd
It’s important that corporations like Spotify exercise corporate responsibility to warn about and to halt the spread of disinformation (propaganda) that endangers the public health. Rogan’s popularity makes it all the more important that he do so — people are drawn to information sources that affirm deep-seated prejudices and conspiracy theories. We should learn from the past (e.g. Nazi Germany).
davejoyner
But how could what he said be miss information when he took the medication that he speaks about and it work then he told Aaron Rodgers and many other celebrity friends of his to take what he took they did and they got better so how is it miss information when it works? I’ll never understand why the left keeps calling everything he says miss information when the drugs he talks about worked on many many millions of people across this country so obviously it’s not miss information it’s just your opinion the laughs opinion and many people on Joe Rogan side by the way like Elon musk and many others
Den
“davejoyner
But how could what he said be miss information when he took the medication that he speaks about and it work”
Just like you, he seems not to understand the difference between anecdote and empirical observation.
Terrycloth
Joe also said he loves joni Mitchell Chuck E’s in love is a great song..only problem , it’s a great song if your name is Rikki Lee Jones who did the.song.NOT Joni Mitchell
Bosch
If anyone is unaware of the misinformation brought to Rogan’s podcast by media-whore Dr Malone, here is an analysis by a non-profit medical fact-checking organization, WITH sources:
healthfeedback dot org/claimreview/robert-malone-misleading-unsubstantiated-claims-covid-19-safety-efficacy-vaccines-joe-rogan-experience-spotify-podcast/
davejoyner
It’s so funny how they’re making fun of ivermectin and this ad but what they’re not telling you is Joe Rogan took it and it made him better he told Aaron Rodgers and over 50 other people in his inner circle when they had Covid to take the medication and it worked and the article says ivermectin doesn’t work at all? Oh yes it does how could you possibly look someone in the eye who has recovered from Covid by taking that medication and say it’s miss information? Do you understand that’s insanity to tell people that got better by using the medication that it doesn’t work? Do you see how crazy that is? The last has gone completely wildly insane beyond all human understanding
Bosch
Just because Rogan got better, doesn’t mean it was because of ivermectin. I thought it was “just a flu” and it only kills the old and sick? So clearly he healed on his own.
COVID is not a parasite. Do some actual research.
MountainDrunk
Ignore Bosch. He’s as informed as they come. Ivermectin had actually been PROVEN, in over 60 trials, to be an effective prophylactic and early treatment. The left is so busy licking the boot and promoting tyranny that they’ve completely forgotten every single reason to be a democrat. They’re fascists to the core.
frapachino
Who gets to determine what is “truth” and what is “misinformation”! Silly question we all know certain mobs of insecure people want to have that power. Fortunately we live in America where we are guaranteed free speech and open dialogue so all the fascists are fighting a war they will never win 🙂
Its so obvious they are not interested in stopping “misinformation” because they only go after certain narratives and ideologies.
Rogan gave several examples of issues that were considered “misinformation” just a few months ago and would get one banned from social media for talking about them yet today they are accepted as the truth and openly discussed on many social and legacy media outlets.
Bosch
It’s not so hard. Made-up statistics and invented assertions are not truth. If someone claims to have the truth, but only they have access to the data, don’t believe them. If the data was real, it would have been shared with us.
Otherwise it’s the adult equivalent of “of course I know what the square root of 9 is, I just don’t want to tell you.”
This isn’t because of Rogan. This is because of a corrupt, fame-hungry doctor who is jealous that his previous research partners got more credit for mRNA research than he did.
Bosch
“Fortunately we live in America where we are guaranteed free speech and open dialogue so all the fascists are fighting a war they will never win ?”
Didn’t I just read that “MAUS” got banned from some schools?
Den
“Didn’t I just read that “MAUS” got banned from some schools?”
You absolutely did. The right is very eager to ban books that do not support their fictional narratives. Just as they are eager to push misinformation at the expense of empirically based public health policy. And the weak minded, like the gentleman you are responding to, are more than happy to consume any lie or fanciful story the right puts out there.
All too often they have no idea what exactly the Bill of Rights guarantees in terms of free speech, no idea about the ability of free enterprise to construct their own terms of service: and the fact that free or not, all speech has consequences, especially lies and misinformation.
SamB
Maus was removed in one Tennessee school district for grade 8 and below because of the nudity and swearing.
Hardly a ban.
Bosch
@Sam I can’t believe you would slip up and admit that there are kinds of censorship that you do accept. Guess you were lying.
SamB
Bosch: you know it’s not censorship, these are kids we’re talking about, not adults. Parents can let them read the book at home if they want to. It’s not the same thing as a country trying to ruin someone because they don’t like what he’s saying.
Bosch
It IS censorship, and it is done because they believe it’s harmful for the kids.
And that is the same reason why people want medical misinformation censored. Medical misinformation that has been killing the dumbasses in your country who refuse to get vaccinated.
I can tell by your attitude that you have not taken one look at the proof that Malone fabricated and invented his arguments.
You’re dishonest about your stance on censorship, and you try to rectify it with “oh but that’s not censorship”. You’re a dishonest man and that’s why you’re defending a dishonest doctor.
SamB
Bosch: Parents can introduce any books they want to their kids in their home because they’re responsible. A school can’t show kids inappropriate material and usually work with the parents in the region to discuss what is appropriate and what isn’t for their kids. Parents have a right to dictate what they’re kids are being taught. Sometimes it goes too far, other times it’s fine. These are decisions made after much discussion.
I know you know the difference from censoring a book for everyone compared to thinking a book might be inappropriate for a certain age-group.
Bosch
Yeah, ok Sam. Censorship is only censorship when you want it to be.
Den
“because of the nudity and swearing.”
Because “nudity” in cartoon mice, rats and cats is so offensive! And as if the 12-15 years old’s had not already heard the swear words in the graphic novel (probably from their parents, but certainly from popular culture and media)! It is because the parents are likely Christians who consider Jews hell bound sinners, and who don’t want to have to answer their children’s uncomfortable questions about genocide and antisemitism. Get real! Your disingenuousness is not at all flattering.
Den
“It’s not the same thing as a country trying to ruin someone because they don’t like what he’s saying.”
I know this will be very, very hard for you to understand; but when individuals (not the government) try to fight lies and misinformation (and we have already established that Rogan’s anecdotal stories are, based on the facts, misinformation) it is NOT “the country trying to ruin someone”. It is the expected consequences of irresponsible, non-factual and damaging speech. “The country”, through public health officials and epidemiologists, have correctly criticized his incorrect statements, but they have neither prosecuted nor persecuted him.
Den
“Parents have a right to dictate what they’re kids are being taught.”
Were that the case we would have schools teaching creationism and that Genesis is a history book! Our country would be even less able to compete internationally in the sciences and technology than the right has already caused it to be. We would have schools teaching that homosexuality is an illness (you probably believe it is actually), and that fetuses are “babies” with souls from the second of conception on. We would have schools teaching abstenance only sex education (proven not to work at all) , and that HIV is God’s punishment for homosexuals. Schools need to teach what is empirically so, NOT what parents desire, especially in backwards right wing districts.
SamB
Den: your arguments are infantile. Not all reading material is appropriate for all age groups. My school library growing up, in a major city, was sectioned into age appropriate material. I could, however, go to the public library up the street and read anything I wanted. And if my parents thought i should be allowed to read something the school had deemed inappropriate, they would’ve let me.
There is a HUGE difference between kids and adults. Parents make decisions on their kids behalves. If they are backward and keep the kids from reading about evolution then that kid will be able to read what they want when they get older. If kids were left to their own devices they’d eat candy all day and not go to school. Do you think kids should be allowed to make 100% of their own decisions?
JromeGervais09
JR, You filthy, un-wiped dirty ass fk.
butchqueen
I just wanna eff Joe Rogan like I wanna k!ll him. Split that boy down the middle.
CNY1983
see that thing on his lip? not long ago people also thought THAT IT WAS FROM GIVING BLOWJOBS. OK?
MiamiJoe1
LOL.. In over his head David? Really? You mean the guy that cashed a 100 million dollar check? That guy is in over his head? Man, if we were all only just as smart you… world would be a better place, if not just a bit more full of shit. 🙂
MountainDrunk
“ He also promoted the use of ivermectin as a treatment for the virus, which has been proven ineffective and even dangerous.”
This quote is why you should stay out of real news reporting. It has NOT been proven ineffective, nor dangerous. Its been prescribed to millions all over the world. It was awarded a Nobel prize. There have been over 60 human ivermectin trials, many double blind, that have shown efficacy as a prophylactic and as early treatment. If you are going to pretend to be a reporter, at least act like one and make sure your research comes from a source better than the guy who cuts your hair. Jesus Christ.
scotty
joe who? that roided out thing on the pod station? yeah like anything he says matters to anyone with an actual real, functioning brain capable of reasonable decision making. the issue is clearly a PEBKAC error. change that, and P may solve itself.
inbama
Even Trump seems to have figured out he’s been killing off his own followers with disinformation.
Rogan’s moronic audience won’t be missed either.
cpolitix
1. “I’m sorry if I offended you” is not an apology. An apology involves acknowledging a wrong and taking responsibility for its effects.
2. Content warning labels are just idiotic. They also deny Spotify’s affirmative duty to not spread lethal disinformation to the public.
3. There is no “free speech” issue here – 1A is a control on GOVERNMENT making “law[s]…prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press” – but Spotify is not the government, and neither is Joe Rogan.
You wanna line your pockets? Go ahead. But if people don’t like your lethal lies, you must accept the consequences. It’s called BEING AN ADULT. No one is a victim here, and Rogan (and quite possibly Spotify) may suffer self-created destruction.
white-queer-african
Oh my word! Why did i think that SammyyyBbbb would not comment on this thread? Rightwing nutcase Joe Rogan and SammyBbbb? Peas in a pod! Very active, pun intended, SammyBbbb defending BS.
Cam
The right wing troll accounts can panic post all they want. Nothing will change the fact that Spotify stock tanked by 15% in a few days until they agreed to put warnings on Rogan’s podcasts.
So hyperventilate all you want, but anti-vaxxers don’t have enough power to control the market.
mastik8
Love Joe or hate him but shares of Spotify are already climbing out of the hole Rogan put them in. Neil Young, the Reagan loving homophobe, is gone. Joni Mitchell, who posed in blackface for an album cover, is gone and Spotify will barely notice. Barry Manilow stayed but complained. Let’s distract ourselves with Whoopi until, well, I guess until the next distraction arrives.
Terrycloth
Where are the big guns. Springsteen, McCartney, Adele , Bts ,Ed Sheeran ,Elton John , Dylan ? Etc…need the artist the kids love and listen to the most Harry Styles., .,